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Bill Baka wrote:

HVDC distribution systems over long distances are not that uncommon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-vo...direct_current


" Due to the space charge formed around the conductors, an HVDC system may
have about half the loss per unit length of a high voltage AC system
carrying the same amount of power. With monopolar transmission the choice of
polarity of the energized conductor leads to a degree of control over the
corona discharge. In particular, the polarity of the ions emitted can be
controlled, which may have an environmental impact on particulate
condensation. (particles of different polarities have a different mean-free
path.) Negative coronas generate considerably more ozone than positive
coronas,"

But what it works in your antennas.
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On Aug 12, 6:09*am, "Szczepan Białek" wrote:
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Bill Baka wrote:


HVDC distribution systems over long distances are not that uncommon.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-vo...direct_current


" Due to the space charge formed around the conductors, an HVDC system may
have about half the loss per unit length of a high voltage AC system
carrying the same amount of power. With monopolar transmission the choice of
polarity of the energized conductor leads to a degree of control over the
corona discharge. *In particular, the polarity of the ions emitted can be
controlled, which may have an environmental impact on particulate
condensation. (particles of different polarities have a different mean-free
path.) Negative coronas generate considerably more ozone than positive
coronas,"

But what it works in your antennas.
S*


your antennas do not use DC.
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"Szczepan Bia?ek" wrote:

wrote ...
Bill Baka wrote:

HVDC distribution systems over long distances are not that uncommon.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-vo...direct_current


" Due to the space charge formed around the conductors, an HVDC system may
have about half the loss per unit length of a high voltage AC system
carrying the same amount of power. With monopolar transmission the choice of
polarity of the energized conductor leads to a degree of control over the
corona discharge. In particular, the polarity of the ions emitted can be
controlled, which may have an environmental impact on particulate
condensation. (particles of different polarities have a different mean-free
path.) Negative coronas generate considerably more ozone than positive
coronas,"


Whoopee, you can cut and paste from a web page, what a genius.

But what it works in your antennas.
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It has nothing to do with antennas, moron.


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On Aug 12, 8:54*pm, wrote:
"Szczepan Bia?ek" wrote:

....
Bill Baka wrote:


HVDC distribution systems over long distances are not that uncommon.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-vo...direct_current


" Due to the space charge formed around the conductors, an HVDC system may
have about half the loss per unit length of a high voltage AC system
carrying the same amount of power. With monopolar transmission the choice of
polarity of the energized conductor leads to a degree of control over the
corona discharge. *In particular, the polarity of the ions emitted can be
controlled, which may have an environmental impact on particulate
condensation. (particles of different polarities have a different mean-free
path.) Negative coronas generate considerably more ozone than positive
coronas,"


Whoopee, you can cut and paste from a web page, what a genius.

But what it works in your antennas.
S*


It has nothing to do with antennas, moron.

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maybe he does try to use dc on his antennas? kind of low data rate,
but it would suffice for anything logical he had to say.
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"K1TTT" wrote
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On Aug 12, 8:54 pm, wrote:
"Szczepan Bia?ek" wrote:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-vo...direct_current


" Due to the space charge formed around the conductors, an HVDC system
may
have about half the loss per unit length of a high voltage AC system
carrying the same amount of power.


But what it works in your antennas.
S*



maybe he does try to use dc on his antennas? kind of low data rate,

but it would suffice for anything logical he had to say.

Your antenna is a high voltage AC system.
The loss is a loss of electrons.
Try to measure it.
S*




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On Aug 13, 8:42*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
*"K1TTT" ...
On Aug 12, 8:54 pm, wrote:

"Szczepan Bia?ek" wrote:


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-vo...direct_current


" Due to the space charge formed around the conductors, an HVDC system
may
have about half the loss per unit length of a high voltage AC system
carrying the same amount of power.


But what it works in your antennas.
S*


maybe he does try to use dc on his antennas? *kind of low data rate,


but it would suffice for anything logical he had to say.

Your antenna is a high voltage AC system.
The loss is a loss of electrons.
Try to measure it.
S*


there is no net charge build up on an antenna due to rf.
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Szczepan Bialek wrote:

Your antenna is a high voltage AC system.


No, it isn't.

The loss is a loss of electrons.


No, it isn't.

Try to measure it.
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Measure what, your babbling ignorance?


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"K1TTT" wrote
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On Aug 13, 8:42 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

Your antenna is a high voltage AC system.
The loss is a loss of electrons.
Try to measure it.


there is no net charge build up on an antenna due to rf.


So we are at the beginning.
Try then to work without ground.
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On Aug 13, 5:19*pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
*"K1TTT" ...
On Aug 13, 8:42 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:



Your antenna is a high voltage AC system.
The loss is a loss of electrons.
Try to measure it.

there is no net charge build up on an antenna due to rf.


So we are at the beginning.
Try then to work without ground.
S*


antennas work just fine without a ground. how do they work in
airplanes? how about spacecraft? yes, i know, you like plasmas that
provide the free electrons... but you are wrong. take a transmitter,
encase it in rubber, put it in a vacuum chamber and pump out all the
air, and you will still receive it.
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"K1TTT" wrote
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On Aug 13, 5:19 pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

So we are at the beginning.
Try then to work without ground.


antennas work just fine without a ground. how do they work in

airplanes? how about spacecraft? yes, i know, you like plasmas that
provide the free electrons... but you are wrong. take a transmitter,
encase it in rubber, put it in a vacuum chamber and pump out all the
air, and you will still receive it.

See at the fig. 1: http://amasci.com/tesla/tmistk.html
Can it work without Gnd?

You can use a chassis.
Transmitter is only a oscillating pump. Such must has a tank.
S*


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