On 08/05/2010 05:13 PM, tom wrote:
On 8/5/2010 2:38 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
wrote
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On 8/4/2010 2:45 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:

Now everybody from you can measure the electron emission and heat
emission.
I was expected that you (radio people) know the results.

Actually we do. You, who believe the 200 and 100 year old myths, don't
believe us. And then you prattle on about us not knowing of what we
speak
when it is you who do not.

Tesla wrote in XX century that EM is a myth. I simply agree with him.
Tell me then who know better how the radio works: Tesla or you?
S*



Me.

*t

I hate to break in on private arguments, but Tesla was one of the
smartest people to ever walk this earth. Are You?
He invented Radio, but Marconi took the credit, using at least 6 of
Tesla's patents.
I can rant on Edison and Daguerre, but that gets long.
Some of you guys need a 'TRUE' history lesson.

Bill Baka, Listener only, since I rent these days.
Had a 1st Class Radiotelephone with Marine RADAR, P1-12-24966,
but gave it up some years back when they decided to do away with the
first class distinction.

Different numbers, but hard work to get anyway.

On 8/5/2010 7:37 PM, Bill Baka wrote:
On 08/05/2010 05:13 PM, tom wrote:
On 8/5/2010 2:38 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
wrote
. net...
On 8/4/2010 2:45 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:

Now everybody from you can measure the electron emission and heat
emission.
I was expected that you (radio people) know the results.

Actually we do. You, who believe the 200 and 100 year old myths, don't
believe us. And then you prattle on about us not knowing of what we
speak
when it is you who do not.

Tesla wrote in XX century that EM is a myth. I simply agree with him.
Tell me then who know better how the radio works: Tesla or you?
S*



Me.

*t

I hate to break in on private arguments, but Tesla was one of the
smartest people to ever walk this earth. Are You?
He invented Radio, but Marconi took the credit, using at least 6 of
Tesla's patents.
I can rant on Edison and Daguerre, but that gets long.
Some of you guys need a 'TRUE' history lesson.

Bill Baka, Listener only, since I rent these days.
Had a 1st Class Radiotelephone with Marine RADAR, P1-12-24966,
but gave it up some years back when they decided to do away with the
first class distinction.

Different numbers, but hard work to get anyway.

I was specifically responding to the part where it is claimed that Tesla
said EM is a myth. I feel quite safe, thanks.

But I wouldn't have debated alternating current motors with Tesla. No sir.

*t

"tom" wrote
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On 8/5/2010 7:37 PM, Bill Baka wrote:
On 08/05/2010 05:13 PM, tom wrote:
On 8/5/2010 2:38 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:

Tesla wrote in XX century that EM is a myth. I simply agree with him.
Tell me then who know better how the radio works: Tesla or you?
Me.

I hate to break in on private arguments, but Tesla was one of the
smartest people to ever walk this earth. Are You?
He invented Radio, but Marconi took the credit, using at least 6 of
Tesla's patents.
I can rant on Edison and Daguerre, but that gets long.
Some of you guys need a 'TRUE' history lesson.

Bill Baka, Listener only, since I rent these days.
Had a 1st Class Radiotelephone with Marine RADAR, P1-12-24966,
but gave it up some years back when they decided to do away with the
first class distinction.

Different numbers, but hard work to get anyway.

I was specifically responding to the part where it is claimed that Tesla
said EM is a myth. I feel quite safe, thanks.

Nikola Tesla wrote: " I showed that the universal medium is a gaseous body
in which only longitudinal pulses can be propagated, involving alternating
compressions and expansions similar to those produced by sound waves in the
air. Thus, a wireless transmitter does not propagate Hertz waves, which are
a myth, but sound waves in the ether, behaving in every respect like those
in the air, except that, owing to the great elastic force and extremely
small density of the medium, their speed is that of light."

Bill Baka wrote: "Some of you guys need a 'TRUE' history lesson."

There is also wrote that EM wrote Heaviside not Maxwell.
Maxwell's hypothesis was quite different. There were the molecullar magnetic
vortices. Inside the solenoid were millions of them. They rotate the
polarisation plane. What rotate it in Heaviside EM? Inside the solenoid is
the flux. Any rotation.
In our textbooks is wrote "whats a pity that to teaching was choosen
Heaviside not Ampere".
But Ampere is too sophisticated for students.

So, "I feel quite safe, thanks."
S*

On Aug 6, 7:42*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
*"tom" ouse.net...



On 8/5/2010 7:37 PM, Bill Baka wrote:
On 08/05/2010 05:13 PM, tom wrote:
On 8/5/2010 2:38 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:

Tesla wrote in XX century that EM is a myth. I simply agree with him..
Tell me then who know better how the radio works: Tesla or you?
Me.

I hate to break in on private arguments, but Tesla was one of the
smartest people to ever walk this earth. Are You?
He invented Radio, but Marconi took the credit, using at least 6 of
Tesla's patents.
I can rant on Edison and Daguerre, but that gets long.
Some of you guys need a 'TRUE' history lesson.

Bill Baka, Listener only, since I rent these days.
Had a 1st Class Radiotelephone with Marine RADAR, P1-12-24966,
but gave it up some years back when they decided to do away with the
first class distinction.

Different numbers, but hard work to get anyway.

I was specifically responding to the part where it is claimed that Tesla
said EM is a myth. *I feel quite safe, thanks.
Nikola Tesla wrote: " I showed that the universal medium is a gaseous body

in which only longitudinal pulses can be propagated, involving alternating
compressions and expansions similar to those produced by sound waves in the
air. Thus, a wireless transmitter does not propagate Hertz waves, which are
a myth, but sound waves in the ether, behaving in every respect like those
in the air, except that, owing to the great elastic force and extremely
small density of the medium, their speed is that of light."

Bill Baka wrote: "Some of you guys need a 'TRUE' history lesson."

There is also wrote that EM wrote Heaviside not Maxwell.
Maxwell's hypothesis was quite different. There were the molecullar magnetic
vortices. Inside the solenoid were millions of them. They rotate the
polarisation plane. What rotate it in Heaviside EM? Inside the solenoid is
the flux. Any rotation.
In our textbooks is wrote "whats a pity that to teaching was choosen
Heaviside not Ampere".
But Ampere is too sophisticated for students.

So, "I feel quite safe, thanks."
S*

maybe in your 19th century text books, mine has plenty of Ampere in
it. you must remember, those guys were working things out as they
went along, their early writings were likely replaced by later ones
that changed with improved observations that disproved what they
thought at first. and then many things changed after the michaelson-
morley experiment dispelled the last believers in aether. so unless
you are studying things after that you are likely reading outdated and
well disproved early theories.

"K1TTT" wrote
...
On Aug 6, 7:42 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

In our textbooks is wrote "whats a pity that to teaching was choosen
Heaviside not Ampere".
But Ampere is too sophisticated for students.

So, "I feel quite safe, thanks."

maybe in your 19th century text books, mine has plenty of Ampere in
it. you must remember, those guys were working things out as they
went along, their early writings were likely replaced by later ones
that changed with improved observations that disproved what they
thought at first.

Ampere, Gauss, Weber, Maxwell are too difficult for student.

and then many things changed after the michaelson-
morley experiment dispelled the last believers in aether.

MMX proved that no motionless solid ether. Such was necessary for the
transverse waves.

so unless
you are studying things after that you are likely reading outdated and
well disproved early theories.

Now is the plasma physics: "Waves in plasmas can be classified as
electromagnetic or electrostatic according to whether or not there is an
oscillating magnetic field. Applying Faraday's law of induction to plane
waves, we find , implying that an electrostatic wave must be purely
longitudinal. An electromagnetic wave, in contrast, must have a transverse
component, but may also be partially longitudinal"

For Tesla ether is: "but sound waves in the ether, behaving in every respect
like those
in the air, except that, owing to the great elastic force and extremely
small density of the medium, their speed is that of light."

For Dirac it was an electrons see.

Now we know that in the electron see are the positive ions, So the plasma is
neutral.

As you see people step by step go ahead. Only you are standing in the
Heaviside's water (hydraulic analogy).
S*

On Aug 7, 7:44*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
*"K1TTT" ...
On Aug 6, 7:42 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:



In our textbooks is wrote "whats a pity that to teaching was choosen
Heaviside not Ampere".
But Ampere is too sophisticated for students.

So, "I feel quite safe, thanks."
maybe in your 19th century text books, mine has plenty of Ampere in

it. *you must remember, those guys were working things out as they
went along, their early writings were likely replaced by later ones
that changed with improved observations that disproved what they
thought at first.

Ampere, Gauss, Weber, Maxwell are too difficult for student.

they are not hard they are the basis of teaching modern
electromagnetics. Any introductory electromagnetics course uses their
stuff. if they are too hard for you that explains why you have all
those strange ideas, you are stuck 100 years ago with outdated over
simplified theories that have been disproved many times.

"K1TTT" wrote
...
On Aug 7, 7:44 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:


In our textbooks is wrote "whats a pity that to teaching was choosen
Heaviside not Ampere".
But Ampere is too sophisticated for students.


Ampere, Gauss, Weber, Maxwell are too difficult for student.

they are not hard they are the basis of teaching modern
electromagnetics.

Electromagnetics is a one form of Electrodynamics. The only form in teaching
program. The others is for selfteaching.
Here are the review: http://www.df.lth.se/~snorkelf/Longitudinal/node4.html

Any introductory electromagnetics course uses their
stuff.

EM made by Heaviside is a simplification of electrodynamics. Teachers choose
it for teaching.

if they are too hard for you that explains why you have all
those strange ideas, you are stuck 100 years ago with outdated over
simplified theories that have been disproved many times.

Ampere's longitudinal force was derived experimentally. So it cannot be
disproved.
Current elements (electrons) repel each others and thanks this the radio
works.
S*

On Aug 7, 7:44*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
*"K1TTT" ...
On Aug 6, 7:42 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:



In our textbooks is wrote "whats a pity that to teaching was choosen
Heaviside not Ampere".
But Ampere is too sophisticated for students.

So, "I feel quite safe, thanks."
maybe in your 19th century text books, mine has plenty of Ampere in

it. *you must remember, those guys were working things out as they
went along, their early writings were likely replaced by later ones
that changed with improved observations that disproved what they
thought at first.

Ampere, Gauss, Weber, Maxwell are too difficult for student.

they are not hard they are the basis of teaching modern
electromagnetics. Any introductory electromagnetics course uses their
stuff. if they are too hard for you that explains why you have all
those strange ideas, you are stuck 100 years ago with outdated over
simplified theories that have been disproved many times.

Szczepan Bialek wrote:

Ampere, Gauss, Weber, Maxwell are too difficult for student.

A lot of college students would disagree with you.

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Szczepan Bialek wrote:

"tom" wrote
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On 8/5/2010 7:37 PM, Bill Baka wrote:
On 08/05/2010 05:13 PM, tom wrote:
On 8/5/2010 2:38 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:

Tesla wrote in XX century that EM is a myth. I simply agree with him.
Tell me then who know better how the radio works: Tesla or you?
Me.

I hate to break in on private arguments, but Tesla was one of the
smartest people to ever walk this earth. Are You?
He invented Radio, but Marconi took the credit, using at least 6 of
Tesla's patents.
I can rant on Edison and Daguerre, but that gets long.
Some of you guys need a 'TRUE' history lesson.

Bill Baka, Listener only, since I rent these days.
Had a 1st Class Radiotelephone with Marine RADAR, P1-12-24966,
but gave it up some years back when they decided to do away with the
first class distinction.

Different numbers, but hard work to get anyway.

I was specifically responding to the part where it is claimed that Tesla
said EM is a myth. I feel quite safe, thanks.

Nikola Tesla wrote: " I showed that the universal medium is a gaseous body
in which only longitudinal pulses can be propagated, involving alternating
compressions and expansions similar to those produced by sound waves in the
air. Thus, a wireless transmitter does not propagate Hertz waves, which are
a myth, but sound waves in the ether, behaving in every respect like those
in the air, except that, owing to the great elastic force and extremely
small density of the medium, their speed is that of light."

And close to 100 years worth of experimental testing say Tesla was wrong, get
over it.



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