Superconductors have been used as antennas where the gain has been
much much more than ham antennas. It does this by removing or
resisting the external magnetic field thus allowing the current flow
to exit the material and travel along its surface. Thus we are able to
reduce material
true resistance or losses and contribute solely to radiation.
By the same token, coils can be wound where it is totally resistive by
removing reactive forces. This also means the disappearance of skin
depth where the external magnetic field gains a foot hold. Thus, as
with a superconductor, we have removed the presence of resistive skin
depth resistance by allowing the current flow to exit the metallic
material and travel on its surface.
There are two resistances that must be dealt with in determining
efficiency where one is controlled by radiation that requires a equal
and opposite effect thus leaving only the metallic resistance to
concentrate upon
to increase efficiency. In both of the above cases we have been able
to divert current flow to the surface of the radiator to avoid the
intrinsic resistance of the radiating element, thus allowing all
alternating current flow to devote itself to creating radiation.
Art Unwin

On Aug 28, 3:07*pm, Art Unwin wrote:
Superconductors have been used as antennas where the gain has been
much much more than ham antennas. It does this by removing or
resisting the external magnetic field thus allowing the current flow
to exit the material and travel along its surface. Thus we are able to
reduce material
true resistance or losses and contribute solely to radiation.
By the same token, coils can be wound where it is totally resistive by
removing reactive forces. This also means the disappearance of skin
depth where the external magnetic field gains a foot hold. Thus, as
with a superconductor, we have removed the presence of resistive skin
depth resistance by allowing the current flow to exit the metallic
material and travel on its surface.
There are two resistances that must be dealt with in determining
efficiency where one is controlled by radiation that requires a equal
and opposite effect thus leaving only the metallic resistance to
concentrate upon
to increase efficiency. *In both of the above cases we have been able
to divert current flow to the surface of the radiator to avoid the
intrinsic resistance of the radiating element, thus allowing all
alternating current flow to devote itself to creating radiation.
Art Unwin

old hat, come on art, you can do better than try to latch onto someone
else's patent: http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5105200.html

On Aug 28, 1:36*pm, K1TTT wrote:
On Aug 28, 3:07*pm, Art Unwin wrote:



Superconductors have been used as antennas where the gain has been
much much more than ham antennas. It does this by removing or
resisting the external magnetic field thus allowing the current flow
to exit the material and travel along its surface. Thus we are able to
reduce material
true resistance or losses and contribute solely to radiation.
By the same token, coils can be wound where it is totally resistive by
removing reactive forces. This also means the disappearance of skin
depth where the external magnetic field gains a foot hold. Thus, as
with a superconductor, we have removed the presence of resistive skin
depth resistance by allowing the current flow to exit the metallic
material and travel on its surface.
There are two resistances that must be dealt with in determining
efficiency where one is controlled by radiation that requires a equal
and opposite effect thus leaving only the metallic resistance to
concentrate upon
to increase efficiency. *In both of the above cases we have been able
to divert current flow to the surface of the radiator to avoid the
intrinsic resistance of the radiating element, thus allowing all
alternating current flow to devote itself to creating radiation.
Art Unwin

old hat, come on art, you can do better than try to latch onto someone
else's patent:http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5105200.html

Where is the beef? Where is the patent? What exactly do you think the
patent is claiming?
Is the claim legitimate? Has the ham community
agreed on the removal of an external magnetic field for maximum
efficiency? You have consistently denied over the years and now
miraculesly you rush to defend it. Why are you so evil? As I stated
earlier your intuitions are leading you astray in the absence of
physics teachings or classes. Go to the Physics forum and ask for the
truth.

On Aug 28, 7:46*pm, Art Unwin wrote:
On Aug 28, 1:36*pm, K1TTT wrote:



On Aug 28, 3:07*pm, Art Unwin wrote:

Superconductors have been used as antennas where the gain has been
much much more than ham antennas. It does this by removing or
resisting the external magnetic field thus allowing the current flow
to exit the material and travel along its surface. Thus we are able to
reduce material
true resistance or losses and contribute solely to radiation.
By the same token, coils can be wound where it is totally resistive by
removing reactive forces. This also means the disappearance of skin
depth where the external magnetic field gains a foot hold. Thus, as
with a superconductor, we have removed the presence of resistive skin
depth resistance by allowing the current flow to exit the metallic
material and travel on its surface.
There are two resistances that must be dealt with in determining
efficiency where one is controlled by radiation that requires a equal
and opposite effect thus leaving only the metallic resistance to
concentrate upon
to increase efficiency. *In both of the above cases we have been able
to divert current flow to the surface of the radiator to avoid the
intrinsic resistance of the radiating element, thus allowing all
alternating current flow to devote itself to creating radiation.
Art Unwin

old hat, come on art, you can do better than try to latch onto someone
else's patent:http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5105200.html

Where is the beef? Where is the patent? What exactly do you think the
patent is claiming?
Is the claim legitimate? Has the ham community
agreed on the removal of an external magnetic field for maximum
efficiency? You have consistently denied over the years and now
miraculesly you rush to defend it. Why are you so evil? As I stated
earlier your intuitions are leading you astray in the absence of
physics teachings or classes. Go to the Physics forum and ask for the
truth.

i just want to you say more silly stuff, i need a good laugh this
weekend.

On Aug 28, 2:46*pm, Art Unwin wrote:
On Aug 28, 1:36*pm, K1TTT wrote:



On Aug 28, 3:07*pm, Art Unwin wrote:

Superconductors have been used as antennas where the gain has been
much much more than ham antennas. It does this by removing or
resisting the external magnetic field thus allowing the current flow
to exit the material and travel along its surface. Thus we are able to
reduce material
true resistance or losses and contribute solely to radiation.
By the same token, coils can be wound where it is totally resistive by
removing reactive forces. This also means the disappearance of skin
depth where the external magnetic field gains a foot hold. Thus, as
with a superconductor, we have removed the presence of resistive skin
depth resistance by allowing the current flow to exit the metallic
material and travel on its surface.
There are two resistances that must be dealt with in determining
efficiency where one is controlled by radiation that requires a equal
and opposite effect thus leaving only the metallic resistance to
concentrate upon
to increase efficiency. *In both of the above cases we have been able
to divert current flow to the surface of the radiator to avoid the
intrinsic resistance of the radiating element, thus allowing all
alternating current flow to devote itself to creating radiation.
Art Unwin

old hat, come on art, you can do better than try to latch onto someone
else's patent:http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5105200.html

Where is the beef? Where is the patent? What exactly do you think the
patent is claiming?
Is the claim legitimate? Has the ham community
agreed on the removal of an external magnetic field for maximum
efficiency? You have consistently denied over the years and now
miraculesly you rush to defend it. Why are you so evil? As I stated
earlier your intuitions are leading you astray in the absence of
physics teachings or classes. Go to the Physics forum and ask for the
truth.

I finally got around to read that patent you were referring to. It
involves the increase in radiation that can be achieved by
superconductors in temperatures way below that seen by humans.
for hams and industry using this knowledge by far the biggest expense
is the extreme cooling equipment that is required as evidenced by MRI
costs which is more than the most avid ham could afford. There is no
doubt that the repelling of external magnetic fields removes the
formation
of resistive skin depth of these ultra cool materials.
I advocate the use of the Meissner effect with antennas that does not
require the extensive cooling costs equipment required by
superconductors to remove the presence of the resistive skin effect
that superconductors have shown is very advantageous when designing
antennas. These are differences in both of these methods in removing
the unnecessary losses of magnetic field generation but the
commonality
between them is the increased efficiency in radiation. A side issue is
that the idea of smaller radiators is a reality as the idea of
radiators must be straight is totally false. The bottom line being
that every inch of current flow produces radiation
whether we like it or not and cannot be suppressed.
Tom, you should avoid trying to give the impression that you are
skilled in physics. You are not an engineer and you only work under a
engineers supervision because of your lack of knowledge.

On Aug 28, 11:26*pm, Art Unwin wrote:
On Aug 28, 2:46*pm, Art Unwin wrote:



On Aug 28, 1:36*pm, K1TTT wrote:

On Aug 28, 3:07*pm, Art Unwin wrote:

Superconductors have been used as antennas where the gain has been
much much more than ham antennas. It does this by removing or
resisting the external magnetic field thus allowing the current flow
to exit the material and travel along its surface. Thus we are able to
reduce material
true resistance or losses and contribute solely to radiation.
By the same token, coils can be wound where it is totally resistive by
removing reactive forces. This also means the disappearance of skin
depth where the external magnetic field gains a foot hold. Thus, as
with a superconductor, we have removed the presence of resistive skin
depth resistance by allowing the current flow to exit the metallic
material and travel on its surface.
There are two resistances that must be dealt with in determining
efficiency where one is controlled by radiation that requires a equal
and opposite effect thus leaving only the metallic resistance to
concentrate upon
to increase efficiency. *In both of the above cases we have been able
to divert current flow to the surface of the radiator to avoid the
intrinsic resistance of the radiating element, thus allowing all
alternating current flow to devote itself to creating radiation.
Art Unwin

old hat, come on art, you can do better than try to latch onto someone
else's patent:http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5105200.html

Where is the beef? Where is the patent? What exactly do you think the
patent is claiming?
Is the claim legitimate? Has the ham community
agreed on the removal of an external magnetic field for maximum
efficiency? You have consistently denied over the years and now
miraculesly you rush to defend it. Why are you so evil? As I stated
earlier your intuitions are leading you astray in the absence of
physics teachings or classes. Go to the Physics forum and ask for the
truth.

I finally got around to read that patent you were referring to. It
involves the increase in radiation that can be achieved by
superconductors in temperatures way below that seen by humans.
for hams and industry using this knowledge by far the biggest expense
is the extreme cooling equipment that is required as evidenced by MRI
costs which is more than the most avid ham could afford. There is no
doubt that the repelling of external magnetic fields removes the
formation
of resistive skin depth of these ultra cool materials.
I advocate the use of the Meissner effect with antennas that does not
require the extensive cooling costs equipment required by
superconductors to remove the presence of the resistive skin effect
that superconductors have shown is very advantageous when designing
antennas. These are differences in both of these methods in removing
the unnecessary losses *of magnetic field generation but the
commonality
between them is the increased efficiency in radiation. A side issue is
that the idea of smaller radiators is a reality as the idea of
radiators must be straight is totally false. The bottom line being
that every inch of current flow produces radiation
whether we like it or not and cannot be suppressed.
Tom, you should avoid trying to give the impression that you are
skilled in physics. You are not an engineer and you only work under a
engineers supervision because of your lack of knowledge.

but of course you can't radiate without generating a magnetic field
and any current produces a magnetic field so everything you are saying
is junk.

On Aug 28, 6:49*pm, K1TTT wrote:
On Aug 28, 11:26*pm, Art Unwin wrote:



On Aug 28, 2:46*pm, Art Unwin wrote:

On Aug 28, 1:36*pm, K1TTT wrote:

On Aug 28, 3:07*pm, Art Unwin wrote:

Superconductors have been used as antennas where the gain has been
much much more than ham antennas. It does this by removing or
resisting the external magnetic field thus allowing the current flow
to exit the material and travel along its surface. Thus we are able to
reduce material
true resistance or losses and contribute solely to radiation.
By the same token, coils can be wound where it is totally resistive by
removing reactive forces. This also means the disappearance of skin
depth where the external magnetic field gains a foot hold. Thus, as
with a superconductor, we have removed the presence of resistive skin
depth resistance by allowing the current flow to exit the metallic
material and travel on its surface.
There are two resistances that must be dealt with in determining
efficiency where one is controlled by radiation that requires a equal
and opposite effect thus leaving only the metallic resistance to
concentrate upon
to increase efficiency. *In both of the above cases we have been able
to divert current flow to the surface of the radiator to avoid the
intrinsic resistance of the radiating element, thus allowing all
alternating current flow to devote itself to creating radiation.
Art Unwin

old hat, come on art, you can do better than try to latch onto someone
else's patent:http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5105200.html

Where is the beef? Where is the patent? What exactly do you think the
patent is claiming?
Is the claim legitimate? Has the ham community
agreed on the removal of an external magnetic field for maximum
efficiency? You have consistently denied over the years and now
miraculesly you rush to defend it. Why are you so evil? As I stated
earlier your intuitions are leading you astray in the absence of
physics teachings or classes. Go to the Physics forum and ask for the
truth.

I finally got around to read that patent you were referring to. It
involves the increase in radiation that can be achieved by
superconductors in temperatures way below that seen by humans.
for hams and industry using this knowledge by far the biggest expense
is the extreme cooling equipment that is required as evidenced by MRI
costs which is more than the most avid ham could afford. There is no
doubt that the repelling of external magnetic fields removes the
formation
of resistive skin depth of these ultra cool materials.
I advocate the use of the Meissner effect with antennas that does not
require the extensive cooling costs equipment required by
superconductors to remove the presence of the resistive skin effect
that superconductors have shown is very advantageous when designing
antennas. These are differences in both of these methods in removing
the unnecessary losses *of magnetic field generation but the
commonality
between them is the increased efficiency in radiation. A side issue is
that the idea of smaller radiators is a reality as the idea of
radiators must be straight is totally false. The bottom line being
that every inch of current flow produces radiation
whether we like it or not and cannot be suppressed.
Tom, you should avoid trying to give the impression that you are
skilled in physics. You are not an engineer and you only work under a
engineers supervision because of your lack of knowledge.

but of course you can't radiate without generating a magnetic field
and any current produces a magnetic field so everything you are saying
is junk.

Read, read again, then read again. The magnetic field referred to is
the EXTERNAL magnetic field.
A superconductor REJECTS any EXTERNAL magnetic field. With respect to
a "double helix" one can prevent the external magnetic field by
ensuring that the helix is resistive at all points along its length.
This results in a constant current along its length regardless of
frequency applied.
When amateurs in ham radio cling to the idea that radiators should be
straight they are advocating the generation of external magnetic
fields which only provides losses and less radiation. This is a spill
over from the old idea that waves produce
propagation instead of particles which is resisted
by the older generation who are adverse to change.
Tom you should not adopt the mantle which you have not earned as you
only are cheating yourself.
To others skilled in the art you are painfully transparent.

On Aug 29, 2:05*am, Art Unwin wrote:
On Aug 28, 6:49*pm, K1TTT wrote:



On Aug 28, 11:26*pm, Art Unwin wrote:

On Aug 28, 2:46*pm, Art Unwin wrote:

On Aug 28, 1:36*pm, K1TTT wrote:

On Aug 28, 3:07*pm, Art Unwin wrote:

Superconductors have been used as antennas where the gain has been
much much more than ham antennas. It does this by removing or
resisting the external magnetic field thus allowing the current flow
to exit the material and travel along its surface. Thus we are able to
reduce material
true resistance or losses and contribute solely to radiation.
By the same token, coils can be wound where it is totally resistive by
removing reactive forces. This also means the disappearance of skin
depth where the external magnetic field gains a foot hold. Thus, as
with a superconductor, we have removed the presence of resistive skin
depth resistance by allowing the current flow to exit the metallic
material and travel on its surface.
There are two resistances that must be dealt with in determining
efficiency where one is controlled by radiation that requires a equal
and opposite effect thus leaving only the metallic resistance to
concentrate upon
to increase efficiency. *In both of the above cases we have been able
to divert current flow to the surface of the radiator to avoid the
intrinsic resistance of the radiating element, thus allowing all
alternating current flow to devote itself to creating radiation..
Art Unwin

old hat, come on art, you can do better than try to latch onto someone
else's patent:http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5105200.html

Where is the beef? Where is the patent? What exactly do you think the
patent is claiming?
Is the claim legitimate? Has the ham community
agreed on the removal of an external magnetic field for maximum
efficiency? You have consistently denied over the years and now
miraculesly you rush to defend it. Why are you so evil? As I stated
earlier your intuitions are leading you astray in the absence of
physics teachings or classes. Go to the Physics forum and ask for the
truth.

I finally got around to read that patent you were referring to. It
involves the increase in radiation that can be achieved by
superconductors in temperatures way below that seen by humans.
for hams and industry using this knowledge by far the biggest expense
is the extreme cooling equipment that is required as evidenced by MRI
costs which is more than the most avid ham could afford. There is no
doubt that the repelling of external magnetic fields removes the
formation
of resistive skin depth of these ultra cool materials.
I advocate the use of the Meissner effect with antennas that does not
require the extensive cooling costs equipment required by
superconductors to remove the presence of the resistive skin effect
that superconductors have shown is very advantageous when designing
antennas. These are differences in both of these methods in removing
the unnecessary losses *of magnetic field generation but the
commonality
between them is the increased efficiency in radiation. A side issue is
that the idea of smaller radiators is a reality as the idea of
radiators must be straight is totally false. The bottom line being
that every inch of current flow produces radiation
whether we like it or not and cannot be suppressed.
Tom, you should avoid trying to give the impression that you are
skilled in physics. You are not an engineer and you only work under a
engineers supervision because of your lack of knowledge.

but of course you can't radiate without generating a magnetic field
and any current produces a magnetic field so everything you are saying
is junk.

Read, read again, then read again. The magnetic field referred to is
the EXTERNAL *magnetic field.
A superconductor REJECTS any EXTERNAL magnetic field. With respect to
a "double helix" one can prevent the external magnetic field by
ensuring that the helix is resistive at all points along its length.
This results in *a constant current along its length regardless of
frequency applied.
When amateurs in ham radio cling to the idea that radiators should be
straight they are advocating the generation of external magnetic
fields which only provides losses and less radiation. This is a spill
over from the old idea that waves produce
propagation instead of particles which is resisted
by the older generation who are adverse to change.
Tom you should not adopt the mantle which you have not earned as you
only are cheating yourself.
To others skilled in the art you are painfully transparent.

actually, probably none of my antennas are perfectly straight, all the
yagi elements droop under their own weight. inverted V's follow a
curved path and are of course not colinear, and in most cases not even
in a plane. inverted L's aren't straight. my ferromagnetic radiators
are probably the closest ones to straight, except for the one that was
dropped on the way down one time and is a nice curved shape.

and you are wrong about superconductors rejecting external fields,
they reject INTERNAL fields. you can have any field you want outside
a superconductor. and double helixes are biological not
electromagnetic, go take another basic calculus course if you think
'curl' is describing a vortex or helix.

On Aug 28, 6:49*pm, K1TTT wrote:
but of course you can't radiate without generating a magnetic field
and any current produces a magnetic field so everything you are saying
is junk.

Here's a quote from "Fields and Waves ...", by Ramo and Whinnery:

"A perfect conductor is usually understood to be a material in which
there is no electric field at any frequency. Maxwell's equations
ensure that there is then also no time-varying magnetic field in the
perfect conductor."
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

On 8/29/2010 12:17 PM, Cecil Moore wrote:
On Aug 28, 6:49 pm, wrote:
but of course you can't radiate without generating a magnetic field
and any current produces a magnetic field so everything you are saying
is junk.

Here's a quote from "Fields and Waves ...", by Ramo and Whinnery:

"A perfect conductor is usually understood to be a material in which
there is no electric field at any frequency. Maxwell's equations
ensure that there is then also no time-varying magnetic field in the
perfect conductor."
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

Depends on what your definition of "is" is.

Sorry, I meant "in".

tom
K0TAR