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Recognition of the Aether presence or not
On Sep 7, 10:06*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
*"K1TTT" ... On Sep 5, 5:16 pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote: We do: " "1925 - the Michelson-Gale-Pearson experiment produces a positive result while attempting to detect the effect of Earth's rotation on the velocity of light. The significance of the experiment remains debated to this day, but this planetary Sagnac effect is measured by ring laser gyros and taken into account by the GPS system." of course, but this was not detecting aether movement, it was detecting acceleration from the rotation of the earth as predicted by special relativity. In 1905 Einstein wrote: "Examples of this sort, together with the unsuccessful attempts to discover any motion of the earth relatively to the ``light medium,'' suggest that the phenomena of electrodynamics as well as of mechanics possess no properties corresponding to the idea of absolute rest." In "1925 - the Michelson-Gale-Pearson experiment produces a positive result" (motion of the earth relatively to the ``light medium,'' ) no, its positive result was the acceleration caused by the rotation of the earth, as in the michelson-morley experiment they detected no motion with respect to a fix or any other aether... otherwise the result would have had a predictable variation due to time of day or year, which was not detected. |
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Recognition of the Aether presence or not
On 9/7/2010 3:08 PM, K1TTT wrote:
... no, its positive result was the acceleration caused by the rotation of the earth, as in the michelson-morley experiment they detected no motion with respect to a fix or any other aether... otherwise the result would have had a predictable variation due to time of day or year, which was not detected. On the surface, that statement simply sounds insane. It is always noon on some portion of the planet and it is always summer somewhere ... Regards, JS |
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Recognition of the Aether presence or not
John Smith wrote:
and it is always summer somewhere ... "summer" is kind of ill defined.. but what about at the instant of the equinox? precisely the same amount of north and south hemispheres are illuminated, etc. |
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Recognition of the Aether presence or not
Uzytkownik "K1TTT" napisal w wiadomosci ... On Sep 7, 10:06 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote: "1925 - the Michelson-Gale-Pearson experiment produces a positive result while attempting to detect the effect of Earth's rotation on the velocity of light. The significance of the experiment remains debated to this day, but this planetary Sagnac effect is measured by ring laser gyros and taken into account by the GPS system." In 1905 Einstein wrote: "Examples of this sort, together with the unsuccessful attempts to discover any motion of the earth relatively to the ``light medium,'' suggest that the phenomena of electrodynamics as well as of mechanics possess no properties corresponding to the idea of absolute rest." In "1925 - the Michelson-Gale-Pearson experiment produces a positive result" (motion of the earth relatively to the ``light medium,'' ) no, its positive result was the acceleration caused by the rotation of the earth, as in the michelson-morley experiment they detected no motion with respect to a fix You assume that the ether is fix. The same did Maxwell. But Maxwell did it before MMX. You should know (after MMX and MGX) that the ether is not fix. It rotates with the Sun but not rotate with the Earth (it was predicted by Stokes in 1845). or any other aether... They "detected no motion" with respect to Stokes ether. otherwise the result would have had a predictable variation due to time of day or year, which was not detected. The results of MMX and MGX prove the Stokes ether. S* |
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Recognition of the Aether presence or not
On Sep 8, 8:08*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
Uzytkownik "K1TTT" napisal w ... On Sep 7, 10:06 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote: "1925 - the Michelson-Gale-Pearson experiment produces a positive result while attempting to detect the effect of Earth's rotation on the velocity of light. The significance of the experiment remains debated to this day, but this planetary Sagnac effect is measured by ring laser gyros and taken into *account by the GPS system." In 1905 Einstein wrote: "Examples of this sort, together with the unsuccessful attempts to discover any motion of the earth relatively to the ``light medium,'' suggest that the phenomena of electrodynamics as well as of mechanics possess no properties corresponding to the idea of absolute rest." In "1925 - the Michelson-Gale-Pearson experiment produces a positive result" (motion of the earth relatively to the ``light medium,'' ) no, its positive result was the acceleration caused by the rotation of the earth, as in the michelson-morley experiment they detected no motion with respect to a fix You assume that the ether is fix. The same did Maxwell. But Maxwell did it before MMX. You should know (after MMX and MGX) *that the ether is not fix. It rotates with the Sun but not rotate with the Earth (it was predicted by Stokes in 1845). or any other aether... They "detected no motion" with respect to Stokes ether. otherwise the result would have had a predictable variation due to time of day or year, which was not detected. The results of MMX and MGX prove the Stokes ether. S* why don't you just go back to Opticks, thats only about 100 years older than the almost 200 year old Stokes aether... you are still going backwards dragging up old disproved theories. |
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Recognition of the Aether presence or not
On 9/8/2010 4:43 PM, K1TTT wrote:
... why don't you just go back to Opticks, thats only about 100 years older than the almost 200 year old Stokes aether... you are still going backwards dragging up old disproved theories. YEAH! It is their imagination that mass-less light gets sucked into a black hole ... actually those things are radiators! Regards, JS |
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Recognition of the Aether presence or not
"K1TTT" wrote ... On Sep 8, 8:08 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote: "1925 - the Michelson-Gale-Pearson experiment produces a positive result while attempting to detect the effect of Earth's rotation on the velocity of light. The significance of the experiment remains debated to this day, but this planetary Sagnac effect is measured by ring laser gyros and taken into account by the GPS system." The results of MMX and MGX prove the Stokes ether. "It rotates with the Sun but not rotate with the Earth (it was predicted by Stokes in 1845). why don't you just go back to Opticks, thats only about 100 years older than the almost 200 year old Stokes aether... you are still going backwards dragging up old disproved theories. Is GPS system 200 year old and disproved? S* |
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Recognition of the Aether presence or not
On Sep 9, 12:27*am, John Smith wrote:
YEAH! It is their imagination that mass-less light gets sucked into a black hole ... actually those things are radiators! Hawking radiation seems to be caused by the quantum soup complementary virtual particles that wink in and out of existence in space. Instead of being spontaneously annihilated, one of the complementary virtual particles falls into the black hole and one escapes thus becoming a real particle. -- 73, Cecil, w5dxp.com |
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Recognition of the Aether presence or not
On 9/9/2010 4:36 AM, Cecil Moore wrote:
... Hawking radiation seems to be caused by the quantum soup complementary virtual particles that wink in and out of existence in space. Instead of being spontaneously annihilated, one of the complementary virtual particles falls into the black hole and one escapes thus becoming a real particle. -- 73, Cecil, w5dxp.com Tomorrow, it is going to be all over the net, "Cecil says every time God winks a particle of light falls into a black hole; And a new one is born!" Regards, JS |
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Recognition of the Aether presence or not
Cecil Moore wrote:
On Sep 5, 7:50 pm, "K" wrote: I wonder if ether and dark energy are related? Let's call it "quantum ether" to distinguish it from the earlier obsolete concepts. Now I'll listen. People trying to resurrect old and not very plausible theories by equating quantum soup to "aether", or even phlogiston is a great way to dismiss their ideas. Maybe the flat earthers are right too - we just haven't found the right proof yet. - Mike - |
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