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On Oct 21, 11:35*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
*"Cecil Moore" ...
On Oct 21, 3:09 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

1. Electron must flow from the antenna to the ground,
Nope, RF electrons don't actually flow. They essentially vibrate in

place.

The same is with the all AC. If between the live line and the ground is the
diode "Electron must flow from the line to the ground".

"For a copper wire of radius 1 mm carrying a steady current of

10 amps, the DC drift velocity is only about 0.24 nanometer per
microsecond." At 10 MHz, the electrons would vibrate back and forth at
about 0.01 nanometer per 0.1 microsecond. Consider how large 0.01
nanometer really is so for all practical purposes, electrons don't
flow at all at HF frequencies. Electrons at HF are just a bucket
brigade for the photons that deliver the RF energy to the diode
detector. Unless a circuit is at DC steady-state, photons are
involved, i.e. RF involves photons which constitute the RF fields and
RF waves.

No matter how big the back and forth are. If is a diode electrons must flow
in one direction.
Do not be lazy and measure it.
S*

I can not debate your particular area other than to point what I have
in actuality.
By removing all reactance especially the magnetic field the current
flow removed itself from the material and travels on the surface.
This is not unusual as superconductors drop to zero resistance when
the magnetic field is canceled or removed. There are only two
resistances in radiation and if no skin depth is then generated then
the material and its resistance is removed from Maxwell's equations
Now one can question my understanding as to what is happening but the
fact is my antenna
swr does not go above 3:1 no matter what band I am on! Yes, by not
understanding what is really happening it would be easy to say "dummy
load " but that is not the real answer.
So I would ask all what exactly is impossible
about the sequence of event that I describe while adding that computer
programs confirm it?
By the way the antenna is sitting om the grass
as height does not affect dish antennas!

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On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 10:09:43 +0200, "Szczepan Bialek"
wrote:

As you know I am collecting the evidences.

The Stasi was, like the KGB, disbanded years ago.

And yet the Old Guard persists by restructuring old methods of
collecting individual's information into new files and calling
themselves by new names.

We could be more productive in the discussion of the splicing of
Stalin's DNA into the hip new Oliogarchs.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

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On 10/21/2010 12:38 PM, Art Unwin wrote:
On Oct 21, 11:35 am, "Szczepan wrote:
"Cecil ...
On Oct 21, 3:09 am, "Szczepan wrote:

1. Electron must flow from the antenna to the ground,
Nope, RF electrons don't actually flow. They essentially vibrate in

place.

The same is with the all AC. If between the live line and the ground is the
diode "Electron must flow from the line to the ground".

"For a copper wire of radius 1 mm carrying a steady current of

10 amps, the DC drift velocity is only about 0.24 nanometer per
microsecond." At 10 MHz, the electrons would vibrate back and forth at
about 0.01 nanometer per 0.1 microsecond. Consider how large 0.01
nanometer really is so for all practical purposes, electrons don't
flow at all at HF frequencies. Electrons at HF are just a bucket
brigade for the photons that deliver the RF energy to the diode
detector. Unless a circuit is at DC steady-state, photons are
involved, i.e. RF involves photons which constitute the RF fields and
RF waves.

No matter how big the back and forth are. If is a diode electrons must flow
in one direction.
Do not be lazy and measure it.
S*

I can not debate your particular area other than to point what I have
in actuality.
By removing all reactance especially the magnetic field the current
flow removed itself from the material and travels on the surface.
This is not unusual as superconductors drop to zero resistance when
the magnetic field is canceled or removed. There are only two
resistances in radiation and if no skin depth is then generated then
the material and its resistance is removed from Maxwell's equations
Now one can question my understanding as to what is happening but the
fact is my antenna
swr does not go above 3:1 no matter what band I am on! Yes, by not
understanding what is really happening it would be easy to say "dummy
load " but that is not the real answer.
So I would ask all what exactly is impossible
about the sequence of event that I describe while adding that computer
programs confirm it?
By the way the antenna is sitting om the grass
as height does not affect dish antennas!

Pick a band. Pick a time. Let's have a contact.

I know what the answer will be of course, an excuse why you can't have a
Q with me or anyone else.

tom
K0TAR

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"Richard Clark" wrote
...
On Thu, 21 Oct 2010 10:09:43 +0200, "Szczepan Bialek"
wrote:

As you know I am collecting the evidences.

The Stasi was, like the KGB, disbanded years ago.

And yet the Old Guard persists by restructuring old methods of
collecting individual's information into new files and calling
themselves by new names.

We could be more productive in the discussion of the splicing of
Stalin's DNA into the hip new Oliogarchs.

Wiki is more usefull than you:
http://scitoys.com/scitoys/scitoys/r...ade_radio.html
" Power from radio waves -- hooking up a meter to measure the voltage and
current "

"If you have a good antenna, or a strong radio station nearby, the ammeter
might read more than 50 microamps. If you have a short antenna, you might
get only 5 microamps and still be able to hear the station clearly in the
headphones. I put up a 200 foot antenna between two trees over my house, and
tuned to a 50,000 watt station about 30 miles away, and now I get 175
microamps of current through my meter."
S*

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On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 10:14:25 +0200, "Szczepan Bialek"
wrote:

Power from radio waves

State and party ownership of print, television and radio media served
as an important manner in which to control information and society in
light of Eastern Bloc leaderships viewing even marginal groups of
opposition intellectuals as a potential threat to the bases underlying
Communist power therein.

It quite appears that there remains the Old Guard initiative of
oppressing intellectuals to dissiminate the party line in the form of
corrupt and revisionist technical tracts.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

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On Oct 21, 12:38*pm, Art Unwin wrote:

Now one can question my understanding as to what is happening but the
fact is my antenna
swr does not go above 3:1 no matter what band I am on! Yes, by not
understanding what is really happening it would be easy to say "dummy
load " but that is not the real answer.

What would you consider the answer to be?
It's really an inefficient toaster oven?

So I would ask all what exactly is impossible
about the sequence of event that I describe while adding that computer
programs confirm it?

You want the Bush or the Obama explanation?

Lets ask both.. Hey Gee Dub, what do you think?

"Son, your misapplication of the modeling programs
have led you astray. Number one, you can't polish a
turd into a diamond. Believe me, I've already tried it
out at the Crawford ranch. Didn't pan out...
Number two, the modeling programs are not coded to
deal with turd polishing. So any results obtained from
misapplying an antenna modeling program to simulate
the performance of a polished turd is bound to end in
frustration and gross error."

Hey Barry, what's your angle?

"I think we should give him a $500.000.00 grant!"

I guess it was a split decision.. :/


By the way the antenna is sitting om the grass
as height does not affect dish antennas!

Actually, it does make it easier for the dog to drink
the rain water out of it. Good call!

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Uzytkownik "Richard Clark" napisal w wiadomosci
...
On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 10:14:25 +0200, "Szczepan Bialek"
wrote:

Power from radio waves

State and party ownership of print, television and radio media served
as an important manner in which to control information and society in
light of Eastern Bloc leaderships viewing even marginal groups of
opposition intellectuals as a potential threat to the bases underlying
Communist power therein.

It quite appears that there remains the Old Guard initiative of
oppressing intellectuals to dissiminate the party line in the form of
corrupt and revisionist technical tracts.

I prefer Wiki:
"The voltmeter in the same radio reads 125 millivolts. Since watts (the
measure of how much power we have) is the voltage multiplied by the amperes,
we have 0.000175 times 0.125, or 0.0000218 watts, or about 22 microwatts.
The station is putting out 50 killowatts, and we are receiving one ten
billionth of that power, yet we can hear it across the room."

Could you help? The simplest radio:
" Tape the other diode wire to a cold water faucet. This makes a good
connection to the ground, and is thus called a 'ground' connection.

Hold the remaining free bare wire of the earphone in your hand. This
makes your body into the antenna for the radio. Put the earphone in your
ear. If you are close to a strong AM radio station, you will be able to hear
that station faintly in the earphone. You may hear more than one station at
once. "


The diode has the two ends. Which one should be tapped to a cold water
faucet?
S*

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On Oct 23, 7:20*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
Uzytkownik "Richard Clark" napisal w wiadomoscinews:t4i3c615njonb5i3fv0i480n0rrovhms20@ 4ax.com...

On Fri, 22 Oct 2010 10:14:25 +0200, "Szczepan Bialek"
wrote:

Power from radio waves

State and party ownership of print, television and radio media served
as an important manner in which to control information and society in
light of Eastern Bloc leaderships viewing even marginal groups of
opposition intellectuals as a potential threat to the bases underlying
Communist power therein.

It quite appears that there remains the Old Guard initiative of
oppressing intellectuals to dissiminate the party line in the form of
corrupt and revisionist technical tracts.

I *prefer Wiki:
"The voltmeter in the same radio reads 125 millivolts. Since watts (the
measure of how much power we have) is the voltage multiplied by the amperes,
we have 0.000175 times 0.125, or 0.0000218 watts, or about 22 microwatts.
The station is putting out 50 killowatts, and we are receiving one ten
billionth of that power, yet we can hear it across the room."

Could you help? *The simplest radio:
" Tape the other diode wire to a cold water faucet. This makes a good
connection to the ground, and is thus called a 'ground' connection.

* * * * Hold the remaining free bare wire of the earphone in your hand. This
makes your body into the antenna for the radio. Put the earphone in your
ear. If you are close to a strong AM radio station, you will be able to hear
that station faintly in the earphone. You may hear more than one station at
once. "

The diode has the two ends. Which one should be tapped to a cold water
faucet?
S*

well, of course, once you put a diode in the circuit you are forcing
flow in only one direction. but try this, turn the diode around so it
only allows electron flow FROM the ground... and you will still hear
the station. so now how do electrons flowing from the remote antenna
through the air get to ground through your diode??

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"K1TTT" wrote
...
On Oct 23, 7:20 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

I prefer Wiki:
"The voltmeter in the same radio reads 125 millivolts. Since watts (the
measure of how much power we have) is the voltage multiplied by the
amperes,
we have 0.000175 times 0.125, or 0.0000218 watts, or about 22 microwatts.
The station is putting out 50 killowatts, and we are receiving one ten
billionth of that power, yet we can hear it across the room."

Could you help? The simplest radio:
" Tape the other diode wire to a cold water faucet. This makes a good
connection to the ground, and is thus called a 'ground' connection.

Hold the remaining free bare wire of the earphone in your hand. This
makes your body into the antenna for the radio. Put the earphone in your
ear. If you are close to a strong AM radio station, you will be able to
hear
that station faintly in the earphone. You may hear more than one station
at
once. "

The diode has the two ends. Which one should be tapped to a cold water
faucet?
S*

well, of course, once you put a diode in the circuit you are forcing
flow in only one direction. but try this, turn the diode around so it
only allows electron flow FROM the ground... and you will still hear
the station.

With the same power?

so now how do electrons flowing from the remote antenna
through the air get to ground through your diode??

You forget about chassis. In the opposite setup the wire is the antenna and
your body is the chassis.

Are you rich enough to check the simplest radio?
Is the same power in the both arrangement?

S*

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On Oct 23, 6:59*pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
*"K1TTT" ...
On Oct 23, 7:20 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:





I prefer Wiki:
"The voltmeter in the same radio reads 125 millivolts. Since watts (the
measure of how much power we have) is the voltage multiplied by the
amperes,
we have 0.000175 times 0.125, or 0.0000218 watts, or about 22 microwatts.
The station is putting out 50 killowatts, and we are receiving one ten
billionth of that power, yet we can hear it across the room."

Could you help? The simplest radio:
" Tape the other diode wire to a cold water faucet. This makes a good
connection to the ground, and is thus called a 'ground' connection.

Hold the remaining free bare wire of the earphone in your hand. This
makes your body into the antenna for the radio. Put the earphone in your
ear. If you are close to a strong AM radio station, you will be able to
hear
that station faintly in the earphone. You may hear more than one station
at
once. "

The diode has the two ends. Which one should be tapped to a cold water
faucet?
S*
well, of course, once you put a diode in the circuit you are forcing

flow in only one direction. *but try this, turn the diode around so it
only allows electron flow FROM the ground... and you will still hear
the station.

With the same power?

so now how do electrons flowing from the remote antenna

through the air get to ground through your diode??

You forget about chassis. In the opposite *setup the wire is the antenna and
your body is the chassis.

Are you rich enough to check the simplest radio?
Is the same power in the both arrangement?

S*

yes, its the same in both directions.