Sidebands
 

"K1TTT" wrote
...
On Dec 25, 2:57 pm, joe wrote:
K1TTT wrote:

distance itself does not affect sidebands.

frequency dependent dispersion in the ionosphere can affect sidebands
and the mark/space tones of rtty differently over short periods
causing differential fading and distortion.

One could also consider selective fading.

that's just another name for it... i threw in the big words because
i'm sure that mr.b will look them up out of context and find all sorts
of hilarious ways to recombine them.

http://dj4br.home.t-link.de/ssb3e.htm
I am sure that the all my questions will be explained with the ionosphere.
The first my question was on the frequency doubling.
But yours selective fading means for me "distance itself does affect
sidebands". So you are very helpfull.

For me all names are clear.
Ampere discovered the electrons and give them name "current elements".
Maxwell used "electric particless". But you all admire Heaviside's fluid
(massles and incompressible). Do you see the difference?
S*

Sidebands
 

Szczepan Bialek wrote:

"K1TTT" wrote
...
On Dec 25, 2:57 pm, joe wrote:
K1TTT wrote:

distance itself does not affect sidebands.

frequency dependent dispersion in the ionosphere can affect sidebands
and the mark/space tones of rtty differently over short periods
causing differential fading and distortion.

One could also consider selective fading.

that's just another name for it... i threw in the big words because
i'm sure that mr.b will look them up out of context and find all sorts
of hilarious ways to recombine them.

http://dj4br.home.t-link.de/ssb3e.htm
I am sure that the all my questions will be explained with the ionosphere.

Hardly.

At some frequencies the ionosphere is transparent, at some it is reflective,
at some it is absorptive.

And the iononsphere has little to nothing to do with ground wave propagation,
which predominates at AM broadcast frequencies.

But you haven't a clue what any of that means, do you?

The first my question was on the frequency doubling.
But yours selective fading means for me "distance itself does affect
sidebands". So you are very helpfull.

Correct conclusion but for totally wrong reasons, much like noticing ice
cream is cold therefor the sky is blue.

For me all names are clear.

Babble.

Ampere discovered the electrons and give them name "current elements".

You are wrong as usual.

Richard Laming came up with the concept, the name was by George Johnstone
Stoney, the particle itself was identified by Sir John Joseph Thomson.

Maxwell used "electric particless". But you all admire Heaviside's fluid
(massles and incompressible). Do you see the difference?
S*

More mindless, word salad babble.


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Szczepan Bialek wrote:

"K1TTT" wrote
...
On Dec 25, 2:57 pm, joe wrote:
K1TTT wrote:

distance itself does not affect sidebands.

frequency dependent dispersion in the ionosphere can affect sidebands
and the mark/space tones of rtty differently over short periods
causing differential fading and distortion.

One could also consider selective fading.

that's just another name for it... i threw in the big words because
i'm sure that mr.b will look them up out of context and find all sorts
of hilarious ways to recombine them.

http://dj4br.home.t-link.de/ssb3e.htm
I am sure that the all my questions will be explained with the
ionosphere. The first my question was on the frequency doubling.
But yours selective fading means for me "distance itself does affect
sidebands". So you are very helpfull.


But you fail to recognize that distance ALONE does NOT affect sidebands
differently. It requires something else to be present.



For me all names are clear.
Ampere discovered the electrons and give them name "current elements".
Maxwell used "electric particless". But you all admire Heaviside's fluid
(massles and incompressible). Do you see the difference?
S*

Sidebands
 

Jim Higgins wrote:
On Fri, 24 Dec 2010 21:21:08 -0000, wrote:

Jim Higgins wrote:
On Thu, 23 Dec 2010 17:12:38 -0000, wrote:

Szczepan Bialek wrote:

If in 1915 were no broadcast stations to speak tell us what was with the
first station to speak and when it start transmitting.
S*

There were no broadcasting stations of any kind in 1915.

The first station that could even remotely be called a broadcasting station
was in 1916 and it broadcasted weather reports in morse code.

The first experimental AM broadcast stations started in 1919 and regular AM
broadcasting started in 1920 when all the spark gap morse transmitters
were shut down.


Make that 1906 for the first experimental AM broadcast.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reginald_Fessenden

The operative words are "scheduled" and "public" in this context.

There were lots of one off things done before 1919.

Yes, but the first one off thing of a kind is still the FIRST one off
thing of that kind. So make that 1906 for the "first experimental AM
broadcast station," not 1919.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_radio

begin quotes
The question of the 'first' publicly-targeted licensed radio station in the
U.S. has more than one answer and depends on semantics. Settlement of this
'first' question may hang largely upon what constitutes 'regular' programming.

It is commonly attributed to KDKA in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, which in
October 1920 received its license and went on the air as the first US
licensed commercial broadcasting station. (Their engineer Frank Conrad had
been broadcasting from his own station since 1916.) Technically, KDKA was
the first of several already-extant stations to receive a 'limited commercial'
license.

On February 17, 1919, station 9XM at the University of Wisconsin in Madison
broadcast human speech to the public at large. 9XM was first experimentally
licensed in 1914, began regular Morse code transmissions in 1916, and its
first music broadcast in 1917. Regularly scheduled broadcasts of voice and
music began in January 1921. That station is still on the air today as WHA.

On August 20, 1920, at least two months before KDKA, E.W. Scripps's WBL
(now WWJ) in Detroit started broadcasting.

There is the history noted above of Charles David Herrold's radio services
(eventually KCBS) going back to 1909.
end quotes

So first define "broadcasting".

Mine is a station with a license with a target of the general public and
a regular schedule.



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Uzytkownik "joe" napisal w wiadomosci
...
Szczepan Bialek wrote:

"K1TTT" wrote
...
On Dec 25, 2:57 pm, joe wrote:
K1TTT wrote:

distance itself does not affect sidebands.

frequency dependent dispersion in the ionosphere can affect sidebands
and the mark/space tones of rtty differently over short periods
causing differential fading and distortion.

One could also consider selective fading.

that's just another name for it... i threw in the big words because
i'm sure that mr.b will look them up out of context and find all sorts
of hilarious ways to recombine them.

http://dj4br.home.t-link.de/ssb3e.htm
I am sure that the all my questions will be explained with the
ionosphere. The first my question was on the frequency doubling.
But yours selective fading means for me "distance itself does affect
sidebands". So you are very helpfull.


But you fail to recognize that distance ALONE does NOT affect sidebands
differently. It requires something else to be present.

Jim wrote: "At some frequencies the ionosphere is transparent, at some it is
reflective,
at some it is absorptive."

Some of you play with the Moon. Are the sidebands the distance dependent?
The distance is huge and the ionosphere is transparent.
S*

For me all names are clear.
Ampere discovered the electrons and give them name "current elements".
Maxwell used "electric particless". But you all admire Heaviside's fluid
(massles and incompressible). Do you see the difference?
S*

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On 25/12/2010 23:24, wrote:
Jim wrote:
On Fri, 24 Dec 2010 21:21:08 -0000, wrote:

Jim wrote:
On Thu, 23 Dec 2010 17:12:38 -0000, wrote:

Szczepan wrote:

If in 1915 were no broadcast stations to speak tell us what was with the
first station to speak and when it start transmitting.
S*

There were no broadcasting stations of any kind in 1915.

The first station that could even remotely be called a broadcasting station
was in 1916 and it broadcasted weather reports in morse code.

The first experimental AM broadcast stations started in 1919 and regular AM
broadcasting started in 1920 when all the spark gap morse transmitters
were shut down.


Make that 1906 for the first experimental AM broadcast.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reginald_Fessenden

The operative words are "scheduled" and "public" in this context.

There were lots of one off things done before 1919.

Yes, but the first one off thing of a kind is still the FIRST one off
thing of that kind. So make that 1906 for the "first experimental AM
broadcast station," not 1919.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_radio

begin quotes
The question of the 'first' publicly-targeted licensed radio station in the
U.S. has more than one answer and depends on semantics. Settlement of this
'first' question may hang largely upon what constitutes 'regular' programming.

It is commonly attributed to KDKA in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, which in
October 1920 received its license and went on the air as the first US
licensed commercial broadcasting station. (Their engineer Frank Conrad had
been broadcasting from his own station since 1916.) Technically, KDKA was
the first of several already-extant stations to receive a 'limited commercial'
license.

On February 17, 1919, station 9XM at the University of Wisconsin in Madison
broadcast human speech to the public at large. 9XM was first experimentally
licensed in 1914, began regular Morse code transmissions in 1916, and its
first music broadcast in 1917. Regularly scheduled broadcasts of voice and
music began in January 1921. That station is still on the air today as WHA.

On August 20, 1920, at least two months before KDKA, E.W. Scripps's WBL
(now WWJ) in Detroit started broadcasting.

There is the history noted above of Charles David Herrold's radio services
(eventually KCBS) going back to 1909.
end quotes

So first define "broadcasting".

Mine is a station with a license with a target of the general public and
a regular schedule.

But note the start of the quote "begin quotes
The question of the 'first' publicly-targeted licensed radio station in
the **U.S.**"

The Dutch beat the US to it!! with regular scheluled programmes from
PCGG starting in November 1919 a year KDKA.

Jeff

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On 26/12/2010 09:55, Szczepan Bialek wrote:

Uzytkownik "joe" napisal w wiadomosci
...
Szczepan Bialek wrote:

"K1TTT" wrote
...
On Dec 25, 2:57 pm, joe wrote:
K1TTT wrote:

distance itself does not affect sidebands.

frequency dependent dispersion in the ionosphere can affect
sidebands
and the mark/space tones of rtty differently over short periods
causing differential fading and distortion.

One could also consider selective fading.

that's just another name for it... i threw in the big words because
i'm sure that mr.b will look them up out of context and find all sorts
of hilarious ways to recombine them.

http://dj4br.home.t-link.de/ssb3e.htm
I am sure that the all my questions will be explained with the
ionosphere. The first my question was on the frequency doubling.
But yours selective fading means for me "distance itself does affect
sidebands". So you are very helpfull.


But you fail to recognize that distance ALONE does NOT affect
sidebands differently. It requires something else to be present.


Whilst distance does not affect sidebands per se, it can affect which
sidebands are received, and hence the envelope of a recovered signal.

Consider a pulse train with a spectrum that extends to infinity; the
higher order sidebands when received by a distant station will be below
the noise floor and will not play a part in the recovered pulse train,
so in a way distance has modified the spectrum of the received signal!!

Jeff

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On Dec 26, 9:55*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
Uzytkownik "joe" napisal w ...



Szczepan Bialek wrote:

"K1TTT" wrote
....
On Dec 25, 2:57 pm, joe wrote:
K1TTT wrote:

distance itself does not affect sidebands.

frequency dependent dispersion in the ionosphere can affect sidebands
and the mark/space tones of rtty differently over short periods
causing differential fading and distortion.

One could also consider selective fading.

that's just another name for it... i threw in the big words because
i'm sure that mr.b will look them up out of context and find all sorts
of hilarious ways to recombine them.

http://dj4br.home.t-link.de/ssb3e.htm
I am sure that the all my questions will be explained with the
ionosphere. The first my question was on the frequency doubling.
But yours selective fading means for me "distance itself does *affect
sidebands". So you are very helpfull.

But you fail to recognize that distance ALONE does NOT affect sidebands
differently. It requires something else to be present.
Jim wrote: "At some frequencies the ionosphere is transparent, at some it is

reflective,
at some it is absorptive."

Some of you play with the Moon. Are the sidebands the distance dependent?
The distance is huge and the ionosphere is transparent.
S*

no, the sidebands are NOT distance dependent.

and no, the distance is not huge and the ionosphere is not
transparent.

Sidebands
 

Szczepan Bialek wrote:

Jim wrote: "At some frequencies the ionosphere is transparent, at some it is
reflective,
at some it is absorptive."

Some of you play with the Moon. Are the sidebands the distance dependent?
The distance is huge and the ionosphere is transparent.
S*

How many times are you going to repeat this nonsense?

Sidebands and distance are not related.

You are a babbling idiot.


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Jeff wrote:
On 25/12/2010 23:24, wrote:
Jim wrote:
On Fri, 24 Dec 2010 21:21:08 -0000, wrote:

Jim wrote:
On Thu, 23 Dec 2010 17:12:38 -0000, wrote:

Szczepan wrote:

If in 1915 were no broadcast stations to speak tell us what was with the
first station to speak and when it start transmitting.
S*

There were no broadcasting stations of any kind in 1915.

The first station that could even remotely be called a broadcasting station
was in 1916 and it broadcasted weather reports in morse code.

The first experimental AM broadcast stations started in 1919 and regular AM
broadcasting started in 1920 when all the spark gap morse transmitters
were shut down.


Make that 1906 for the first experimental AM broadcast.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reginald_Fessenden

The operative words are "scheduled" and "public" in this context.

There were lots of one off things done before 1919.

Yes, but the first one off thing of a kind is still the FIRST one off
thing of that kind. So make that 1906 for the "first experimental AM
broadcast station," not 1919.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_radio

begin quotes
The question of the 'first' publicly-targeted licensed radio station in the
U.S. has more than one answer and depends on semantics. Settlement of this
'first' question may hang largely upon what constitutes 'regular' programming.

It is commonly attributed to KDKA in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, which in
October 1920 received its license and went on the air as the first US
licensed commercial broadcasting station. (Their engineer Frank Conrad had
been broadcasting from his own station since 1916.) Technically, KDKA was
the first of several already-extant stations to receive a 'limited commercial'
license.

On February 17, 1919, station 9XM at the University of Wisconsin in Madison
broadcast human speech to the public at large. 9XM was first experimentally
licensed in 1914, began regular Morse code transmissions in 1916, and its
first music broadcast in 1917. Regularly scheduled broadcasts of voice and
music began in January 1921. That station is still on the air today as WHA.

On August 20, 1920, at least two months before KDKA, E.W. Scripps's WBL
(now WWJ) in Detroit started broadcasting.

There is the history noted above of Charles David Herrold's radio services
(eventually KCBS) going back to 1909.
end quotes

So first define "broadcasting".

Mine is a station with a license with a target of the general public and
a regular schedule.

But note the start of the quote "begin quotes
The question of the 'first' publicly-targeted licensed radio station in
the **U.S.**"

The Dutch beat the US to it!! with regular scheluled programmes from
PCGG starting in November 1919 a year KDKA.

Jeff

Which still makes the year 1919.


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"Regular programming" is totally irrelevant to the question of the
"first experimental AM broadcast station."

It is when the question is about the first regular broadcast station,
not about one off experiments.



Technically, KDKA was the first of several already-extant stations to receive
a 'limited commercial' license.


OK, but the original claim wasn't "first limited commercial license;"
it was "first experimental AM broadcast station."

No, it was about the first 'proper' broadcast station. ie not one-off
demonstrations or experiments. ie one with a published and regular
schedule, and a general audience waiting to listen.

Jeff

Sidebands
 

So first define "broadcasting".

Mine is a station with a license with a target of the general public and
a regular schedule.

But note the start of the quote "begin quotes
The question of the 'first' publicly-targeted licensed radio station in
the **U.S.**"

The Dutch beat the US to it!! with regular scheluled programmes from
PCGG starting in November 1919 a year KDKA.

Jeff

Which still makes the year 1919.




Yes, but not KDKA (in 1920)!


Jeff

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Jim Higgins wrote:
On Mon, 27 Dec 2010 10:35:20 +0000, Jeff wrote:


"Regular programming" is totally irrelevant to the question of the
"first experimental AM broadcast station."

It is when the question is about the first regular broadcast station,
not about one off experiments.



Technically, KDKA was the first of several already-extant stations to receive
a 'limited commercial' license.


OK, but the original claim wasn't "first limited commercial license;"
it was "first experimental AM broadcast station."

No, it was about the first 'proper' broadcast station. ie not one-off
demonstrations or experiments. ie one with a published and regular
schedule, and a general audience waiting to listen.


The word "proper" was not a part of it. But then we can't see that
now because you've deleted the original wording.

Go out and ask 10 or 20 normal people what "broadcast radio" means.

Yes, the arguement is becoming one of semantics, but to most people "broadcast
radio" means radio transmissions for the general public on a regular,
scheduled basis.


--
Jim Pennino

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On Dec 28, 3:52*pm, wrote:
Jim Higgins wrote:
On Mon, 27 Dec 2010 10:35:20 +0000, Jeff wrote:

"Regular programming" is totally irrelevant to the question of the
"first experimental AM broadcast station."

It is when the question is about the first regular broadcast station,
not about one off experiments.

Technically, KDKA was the first of several already-extant stations to receive
a 'limited commercial' license.

OK, but the original claim wasn't "first limited commercial license;"
it was "first experimental AM broadcast station."

No, it was about the first 'proper' broadcast station. ie not one-off
demonstrations or experiments. ie one with a published and regular
schedule, and a general audience waiting to listen.

The word "proper" was not a part of it. *But then we can't see that
now because you've deleted the original wording.

Go out and ask 10 or 20 normal people what "broadcast radio" means.

Yes, the arguement is becoming one of semantics, but to most people "broadcast
radio" means radio transmissions for the general public on a regular,
scheduled basis.

--
Jim Pennino

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be sure NOT to ask in here, since we are obviously not normal
people.... i'm more interested in how mr.B thinks sidebands are
distance dependent than what broadcast radio is.

Sidebands
 

K1TTT wrote:
On Dec 28, 3:52Â*pm, wrote:
Jim Higgins wrote:
On Mon, 27 Dec 2010 10:35:20 +0000, Jeff wrote:

"Regular programming" is totally irrelevant to the question of the
"first experimental AM broadcast station."

It is when the question is about the first regular broadcast station,
not about one off experiments.

Technically, KDKA was the first of several already-extant stations to receive
a 'limited commercial' license.

OK, but the original claim wasn't "first limited commercial license;"
it was "first experimental AM broadcast station."

No, it was about the first 'proper' broadcast station. ie not one-off
demonstrations or experiments. ie one with a published and regular
schedule, and a general audience waiting to listen.

The word "proper" was not a part of it. Â*But then we can't see that
now because you've deleted the original wording.

Go out and ask 10 or 20 normal people what "broadcast radio" means.

Yes, the arguement is becoming one of semantics, but to most people "broadcast
radio" means radio transmissions for the general public on a regular,
scheduled basis.

--
Jim Pennino

Remove .spam.sux to reply.

be sure NOT to ask in here, since we are obviously not normal
people.... i'm more interested in how mr.B thinks sidebands are
distance dependent than what broadcast radio is.

I believe you are laboring under the false impression that mr.B is able to
think.



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"K1TTT" wrote
...

be sure NOT to ask in here, since we are obviously not normal
people.... i'm more interested in how mr.B thinks sidebands are
distance dependent than what broadcast radio is.

Here you a

Look at the damped waves: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damped_wave

They are like the AM.

Next look at Mr. Russell's animation:
http://paws.kettering.edu/~drussell/.../solitons.html

He wrote: "a.. The speed of the wave depends on the height of the wave."

The speed of the disturbance in media is the amplitude dependent - it is the
physics law.

So I do not think. I am sure.
I only want you find out proper evidences. It should be interesting to you.
S*

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On Dec 28, 5:47*pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
*"K1TTT" ...

be sure NOT to ask in here, since we are obviously not normal

people.... i'm more interested in how mr.B thinks sidebands are
distance dependent than what broadcast radio is.

Here you a

Look at the damped waves:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damped_wave

They are like the AM.

Next look at Mr. Russell's animation:http://paws.kettering.edu/~drussell/.../solitons.html

He wrote: "a.. The speed of the wave depends on the height of the wave."

The speed of the disturbance in media is the amplitude dependent - it is the
physics law.

So I do not think. I am sure.
I only want you find out proper evidences. It should be interesting to you.
S*

electromagnetic waves are not solitons. speed of an em wave is not
amplitude dependent, that is a physics law.

Sidebands
 

Uzytkownik "K1TTT" napisal w wiadomosci
...
On Dec 28, 5:47 pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
"K1TTT"
...

be sure NOT to ask in here, since we are obviously not normal

people.... i'm more interested in how mr.B thinks sidebands are
distance dependent than what broadcast radio is.

Here you a

Look at the damped waves:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damped_wave

They are like the AM.

Next look at Mr. Russell's
animation:http://paws.kettering.edu/~drussell/.../solitons.html

He wrote: "a.. The speed of the wave depends on the height of the wave."

The speed of the disturbance in media is the amplitude dependent - it is
the
physics law.

So I do not think. I am sure.
I only want you find out proper evidences. It should be interesting to
you.
S*

electromagnetic waves are not solitons. speed of an em wave is not
amplitude dependent, that is a physics law.

Yes. But EM waves are Heaviside's paper waves. In rality are Tesla's waves.
Do not be lazy and look for evidences.
S*

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On Dec 28, 5:46*pm, wrote:
K1TTT wrote:
On Dec 28, 3:52*pm, wrote:
Jim Higgins wrote:
On Mon, 27 Dec 2010 10:35:20 +0000, Jeff wrote:

"Regular programming" is totally irrelevant to the question of the
"first experimental AM broadcast station."

It is when the question is about the first regular broadcast station,
not about one off experiments.

Technically, KDKA was the first of several already-extant stations to receive
a 'limited commercial' license.

OK, but the original claim wasn't "first limited commercial license;"
it was "first experimental AM broadcast station."

No, it was about the first 'proper' broadcast station. ie not one-off
demonstrations or experiments. ie one with a published and regular
schedule, and a general audience waiting to listen.

The word "proper" was not a part of it. *But then we can't see that
now because you've deleted the original wording.

Go out and ask 10 or 20 normal people what "broadcast radio" means.

Yes, the arguement is becoming one of semantics, but to most people "broadcast
radio" means radio transmissions for the general public on a regular,
scheduled basis.

--
Jim Pennino

Remove .spam.sux to reply.

be sure NOT to ask in here, since we are obviously not normal
people.... i'm more interested in how mr.B thinks sidebands are
distance dependent than what broadcast radio is.

I believe you are laboring under the false impression that mr.B is able to
think.

--
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i don't care if he can think, as long as he is mildly amusing.

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On Dec 28, 6:08*pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
Uzytkownik "K1TTT" napisal w ...
On Dec 28, 5:47 pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:



"K1TTT"
...

be sure NOT to ask in here, since we are obviously not normal

people.... i'm more interested in how mr.B thinks sidebands are
distance dependent than what broadcast radio is.

Here you a

Look at the damped waves:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damped_wave

They are like the AM.

Next look at Mr. Russell's
animation:http://paws.kettering.edu/~drussell/.../solitons.html

He wrote: "a.. The speed of the wave depends on the height of the wave.."

The speed of the disturbance in media is the amplitude dependent - it is
the
physics law.

So I do not think. I am sure.
I only want you find out proper evidences. It should be interesting to
you.
S*
electromagnetic waves are not solitons. *speed of an em wave is not

amplitude dependent, that is a physics law.

Yes. But EM waves are Heaviside's paper waves. In rality are Tesla's waves.
Do not be lazy and look for evidences.
S*

There is no 'evidences' for that. Maxwell's equations describe EM
waves perfectly well, have been verified by experiments for over 100
years, and work fine for me.

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Szczepan Bialek wrote:

Here you a

Look at the damped waves: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damped_wave

They are like the AM.

Only if it is modulation by a triangle wave and WAY over modulated, otherwise,
no, it is not.

Next look at Mr. Russell's animation:
http://paws.kettering.edu/~drussell/.../solitons.html

He wrote: "a.. The speed of the wave depends on the height of the wave."

So he is another babbling idiot.

The speed of the disturbance in media is the amplitude dependent - it is the
physics law.

Nope, not physics in this universe.

So I do not think.

First thing you've ever said that makes sense.

I am sure.

You left off the last part of the sentence: "a babbling idiot".

I only want you find out proper evidences. It should be interesting to you.
S*

"Interesting" is not a word I would use to describe your posts.

"Laughable", "deluded", and "babbling" come to mind.


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Szczepan Bialek wrote:

Yes. But EM waves are Heaviside's paper waves. In rality are Tesla's waves.
Do not be lazy and look for evidences.
S*

Babbling word salad meaning nothing.


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On Dec 28, 8:18*pm, wrote:
Szczepan Bialek wrote:
Yes. But EM waves are Heaviside's paper waves. In rality are Tesla's waves.
Do not be lazy and look for evidences.
S*

Babbling word salad meaning nothing.

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aww, don't be so hard on him. he is much more amusing if you feed him
a bit.

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"K1TTT" wrote
...
On Dec 28, 6:08 pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

Yes. But EM waves are Heaviside's paper waves. In rality are Tesla's
waves.
Do not be lazy and look for evidences.
S*

There is no 'evidences' for that. Maxwell's equations describe EM
waves perfectly well, have been verified by experiments for over 100
years, and work fine for me.

Biot-Savart and Heaviside made the very simple model. So simple that it was
choosen to teach the math.
Read at 1825:
http://www.fisica.edu.uy/cursos/elec...omagnetism.pdf

It is unfortunate that you do not know the electrDYNAMICS by Ampere and
Maxwell.
It should be interesting to you.
Maxwell did not write "Maxwell's equations".
S*

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On 28/12/2010 17:47, Szczepan Bialek wrote:

"K1TTT" wrote
...

be sure NOT to ask in here, since we are obviously not normal
people.... i'm more interested in how mr.B thinks sidebands are
distance dependent than what broadcast radio is.

Here you a

Look at the damped waves: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damped_wave

They are like the AM.

Next look at Mr. Russell's animation:
http://paws.kettering.edu/~drussell/.../solitons.html

He wrote: "a.. The speed of the wave depends on the height of the wave."

The speed of the disturbance in media is the amplitude dependent - it is
the physics law.

He was talking about surface waves on water!!!!!

Jeff

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On Dec 29, 9:17*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
*"K1TTT" ...
On Dec 28, 6:08 pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:



Yes. But EM waves are Heaviside's paper waves. In rality are Tesla's
waves.
Do not be lazy and look for evidences.
S*
There is no 'evidences' for that. *Maxwell's equations describe EM

waves perfectly well, have been verified by experiments for over 100
years, and work fine for me.

Biot-Savart and Heaviside made *the very simple model. So simple that it was
choosen to teach the math.
Read at 1825:http://www.fisica.edu.uy/cursos/elec...ial/A_Brief_Hi...

It is unfortunate that you do not know the electrDYNAMICS by Ampere and
Maxwell.
It should be interesting to you.
Maxwell did not write "Maxwell's equations".
S*

Maxwell's equations include Ampere's law, Faraday's law, and Gauss's
law... so all the dynamics and statics are included. According to my
history the set of 4 equations was first written by Maxwell in 1863,
though in a different form than they are customarily seen today.

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On Dec 29, 11:09*am, Jeff wrote:
On 28/12/2010 17:47, Szczepan Bialek wrote:





"K1TTT" wrote
....

be sure NOT to ask in here, since we are obviously not normal
people.... i'm more interested in how mr.B thinks sidebands are
distance dependent than what broadcast radio is.

Here you a

Look at the damped waves:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damped_wave

They are like the AM.

Next look at Mr. Russell's animation:
http://paws.kettering.edu/~drussell/.../solitons.html

He wrote: "a.. The speed of the wave depends on the height of the wave."

The speed of the disturbance in media is the amplitude dependent - it is
the physics law.

He was talking about surface waves on water!!!!!

Jeff

similar, he was referring to an article on solitons which were first
observed on water... but which bear no resemblance to EM waves.

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Szczepan Bialek wrote:

Biot-Savart and Heaviside made the very simple model. So simple that it was
choosen to teach the math.
Read at 1825:
http://www.fisica.edu.uy/cursos/elec...omagnetism.pdf

It is unfortunate that you do not know the electrDYNAMICS by Ampere and
Maxwell.
It should be interesting to you.
Maxwell did not write "Maxwell's equations".
S*

As usual, just a bunch of babbling nonsense.

The only thing interesting thing is the link which you obviously don't
understand.

--
Jim Pennino

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K1TTT wrote:
On Dec 29, 11:09Â*am, Jeff wrote:
On 28/12/2010 17:47, Szczepan Bialek wrote:





"K1TTT" wrote
...

be sure NOT to ask in here, since we are obviously not normal
people.... i'm more interested in how mr.B thinks sidebands are
distance dependent than what broadcast radio is.

Here you a

Look at the damped waves:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damped_wave

They are like the AM.

Next look at Mr. Russell's animation:
http://paws.kettering.edu/~drussell/.../solitons.html

He wrote: "a.. The speed of the wave depends on the height of the wave."

The speed of the disturbance in media is the amplitude dependent - it is
the physics law.

He was talking about surface waves on water!!!!!

Jeff

similar, he was referring to an article on solitons which were first
observed on water... but which bear no resemblance to EM waves.

And he hasn't a clue that solitons require a medium to exist while EM does
not.

To him, an EM wave, a sound wave, a water wave, and a female member of the
Navy in 1944 are all the same thing.


--
Jim Pennino

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Uzytkownik "K1TTT" napisal w wiadomosci
...
On Dec 29, 11:09 am, Jeff wrote:
On 28/12/2010 17:47, Szczepan Bialek wrote:

Look at the damped waves: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damped_wave

They are like the AM.

Next look at Mr. Russell's animation:
http://paws.kettering.edu/~drussell/.../solitons.html

He wrote: "a.. The speed of the wave depends on the height of the wave."

The speed of the disturbance in media is the amplitude dependent - it is
the physics law.

He was talking about surface waves on water!!!!!

Jeff

similar, he was referring to an article on solitons which were first
observed on water... but which bear no resemblance to EM waves.

Yes. But it bear resemblance to ELECTRIC waves.
S*

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Użytkownik napisał w wiadomości
...

To him, an EM wave, a sound wave, a water wave, and a female member of the
Navy in 1944 are all the same thing.

You do not read my posts.
To me an radio wave, a sound wave, a water wave, are all the same thing.
S*

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On Dec 29, 5:22*pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
Uzytkownik "K1TTT" napisal w ...
On Dec 29, 11:09 am, Jeff wrote:



On 28/12/2010 17:47, Szczepan Bialek wrote:

Look at the damped waves: *http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damped_wave

They are like the AM.

Next look at Mr. Russell's animation:
*http://paws.kettering.edu/~drussell/.../solitons.html

He wrote: "a.. The speed of the wave depends on the height of the wave."

The speed of the disturbance in media is the amplitude dependent - it is
the physics law.

He was talking about surface waves on water!!!!!

Jeff

similar, he was referring to an article on solitons which were first
observed on water... but which bear no resemblance to EM waves.

Yes. But it bear resemblance to ELECTRIC waves.
S*

Give me the equations for an 'electric wave'.

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Szczepan Bialek wrote:

Użytkownik napisał w wiadomości
...

To him, an EM wave, a sound wave, a water wave, and a female member of the
Navy in 1944 are all the same thing.

You do not read my posts.
To me an radio wave, a sound wave, a water wave, are all the same thing.
S*

And you are an idiot for thinking that.

They all share SOME properties, but they are three different things.


--
Jim Pennino

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Uzytkownik "K1TTT" napisal w wiadomosci
...
On Dec 29, 9:17 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

Biot-Savart and Heaviside made the very simple model. So simple that it
was
choosen to teach the math.
Read at 1825:
http://www.fisica.edu.uy/cursos/elec...ial/A_Brief_Hi...

It is unfortunate that you do not know the electrDYNAMICS by Ampere and
Maxwell.
It should be interesting to you.
Maxwell did not write "Maxwell's equations".
S*

Maxwell's equations include Ampere's law,

It has name "Amperes law". It is Biot-Savart law with the displacement
current added by Maxwell.

Faraday's law, and Gauss's
law... so all the dynamics and statics are included. According to my
history the set of 4 equations was first written by Maxwell in 1863,
though in a different form than they are customarily seen today.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell's_equations

"Maxwell's equations are named after the Scottish physicist and
mathematician James Clerk Maxwell, since they are all found in a four-part
paper, On Physical Lines of Force, which he published between 1861 and 1862.
The mathematical form of the Lorentz force law also appeared in this paper."

" (As noted above, this terminology is not common: Modern references to the
term "Maxwell's equations" refer to the Heaviside restatements.)"

In Maxwell's paper were 20 equations to describe this model:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mo...rtex_Model.jpg

There are the cross section of the magnetic lines of force. They rotate but
nothing is flowing along them. The rotations rotate the plane of light
polarisation inside of the solenoid.

In Heaviside's "restatement" something flow along the lines and they do not
rotate.

Take a glance at: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/On_Phy...Lines_of_Force
Excelent English. Perfect physics.
S*

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Szczepan Bialek wrote:

Uzytkownik "K1TTT" napisal w wiadomosci
...
On Dec 29, 11:09 am, Jeff wrote:
On 28/12/2010 17:47, Szczepan Bialek wrote:

Look at the damped waves: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damped_wave

They are like the AM.

Next look at Mr. Russell's animation:
http://paws.kettering.edu/~drussell/.../solitons.html

He wrote: "a.. The speed of the wave depends on the height of the wave."

The speed of the disturbance in media is the amplitude dependent - it is
the physics law.

He was talking about surface waves on water!!!!!

Jeff

similar, he was referring to an article on solitons which were first
observed on water... but which bear no resemblance to EM waves.

Yes. But it bear resemblance to ELECTRIC waves.
S*

This should be good...

Tell us what is an "electric wave" that isn't a part of an "elecromagnetic
wave".


--
Jim Pennino

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Szczepan Bialek wrote:

It has name "Amperes law". It is Biot-Savart law with the displacement
current added by Maxwell.

Faraday's law, and Gauss's
law... so all the dynamics and statics are included. According to my
history the set of 4 equations was first written by Maxwell in 1863,
though in a different form than they are customarily seen today.

See: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell's_equations

"Maxwell's equations are named after the Scottish physicist and
mathematician James Clerk Maxwell, since they are all found in a four-part
paper, On Physical Lines of Force, which he published between 1861 and 1862.
The mathematical form of the Lorentz force law also appeared in this paper."

Oh goody, you can cut and paste from a web page.

Too bad you don't know what any of what you quoted means.

" (As noted above, this terminology is not common: Modern references to the
term "Maxwell's equations" refer to the Heaviside restatements.)"

In Maxwell's paper were 20 equations to describe this model:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mo...rtex_Model.jpg

There are the cross section of the magnetic lines of force. They rotate but
nothing is flowing along them. The rotations rotate the plane of light
polarisation inside of the solenoid.

Pure, babbling, word salad gibberish.

The Moleculare Vortex Model refers to magnetic fields, not electromagnetic
fields and there is no light of any polarizatin inside a solenoid.


In Heaviside's "restatement" something flow along the lines and they do not
rotate.

Take a glance at: http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/On_Phy...Lines_of_Force
Excelent English. Perfect physics.
S*

What a buffoon.

You haven't a clue what any of your referenced links mean.





--
Jim Pennino

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On Dec 29, 6:41*pm, wrote:
Szczepan Bialek wrote:
It has name "Amperes law". It is Biot-Savart law with the displacement
current added by Maxwell.

Faraday's law, and Gauss's
law... so all the dynamics and statics are included. *According to my
history the set of 4 equations was first written by Maxwell in 1863,
though in a different form than they are customarily seen today.

See:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell's_equations

"Maxwell's equations are named after the Scottish physicist and
mathematician James Clerk Maxwell, since they are all found in a four-part
paper, On Physical Lines of Force, which he published between 1861 and 1862.
The mathematical form of the Lorentz force law also appeared in this paper."

Oh goody, you can cut and paste from a web page.

Too bad you don't know what any of what you quoted means.

" (As noted above, this terminology is not common: Modern references to the
term "Maxwell's equations" refer to the Heaviside restatements.)"

In Maxwell's paper *were 20 equations to describe this model:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mo...rtex_Model.jpg

There are the cross section of the magnetic lines of force. They rotate but
nothing is flowing along them. The rotations rotate the plane of light
polarisation inside of the solenoid.

Pure, babbling, word salad gibberish.

The Moleculare Vortex Model refers to magnetic fields, not electromagnetic
fields and there is no light of any polarizatin inside a solenoid.

In Heaviside's "restatement" something flow along the lines and they do not
rotate.

Take a glance at:http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/On_Phy...Lines_of_Force
Excelent English. Perfect physics.
S*

What a buffoon.

You haven't a clue what any of your referenced links mean.

--
Jim Pennino

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not only that but the reference is an article from a magazine
published years before the completed set of Maxwell's equations were
first published. During those years there were many changes in the
understanding of electricity and magnetism and EM waves... not that
the initial publication of Maxwell's equations completely converted
those who had different viewpoints, obviously aetherists and adherents
to other old and disproved theories still exist despite 150 years of
experiments that have failed to damage Maxwell's equations.

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On Wed, 29 Dec 2010 16:56:30 -0000, wrote:

To him, an EM wave, a sound wave, a water wave, and a female member of the
Navy in 1944 are all the same thing.

You forgot stadium wave.


Please, God, let this Subject: die!

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On Dec 29, 7:04*pm, Allodoxaphobia
wrote:
On Wed, 29 Dec 2010 16:56:30 -0000, wrote:

To him, an EM wave, a sound wave, a water wave, and a female member of the
Navy in 1944 are all the same thing.

You forgot stadium wave.

Please, God, let this Subject: die!

no, keep it going! its still good for at least a few more laughs
before mr.b gives up again.

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Uzytkownik "K1TTT" napisal w wiadomosci
...
On Dec 29, 6:41 pm, wrote:
Szczepan Bialek wrote:

In Heaviside's "restatement" something flow along the lines and they do
not
rotate.

Take a glance at:
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/On_Phy...Lines_of_Force
Excelent English. Perfect physics.
S*

What a buffoon.

You haven't a clue what any of your referenced links mean.

--
Jim Pennino
not only that but the reference is an article from a magazine
published years before the completed set of Maxwell's equations were
first published. During those years there were many changes in the
understanding of electricity and magnetism and EM waves... not that
the initial publication of Maxwell's equations completely converted
those who had different viewpoints, obviously aetherists and adherents
to other old and disproved theories still exist despite 150 years of
experiments that have failed to damage Maxwell's equations.

See at this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Co...Dawes_1920.png

There is shown the magnetic flux (Heaviside). Tell me which physical law
produce it (the hand rule is not a physical law).

Now see at Maxwell's model:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mo...rtex_Model.jpg

There the curent in the solenoid physically rotate the magnetic lines of
force.

So " During those years there were many changes in the understanding of
electricity and magnetism" and the hand rule becomes a physical law.
S*