any way to put a mobile antenna on an element
 

Just got a honda element...any way to put a whip on it w/o cutting it?
thanks much

any way to put a mobile antenna on an element
 

On 1/7/2011 8:07 PM, bpuharic wrote:
Just got a honda element...any way to put a whip on it w/o cutting it?
thanks much

Well there's always thru-the-glass. It's not the most efficient in my
experience (which is limited with respect to these) but it seems to work
well enough if you have a decent repeater system that is the target.
One plus is that you can usually get most of the half wave above the
roofline.

For all around flexibility I still like the simple quarter wave vertical
for 2m FM. Enough high angle for metro downtown use, but that involves
either holes or magnets.

tom
K0TAR

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bpuharic wrote:
Just got a honda element...any way to put a whip on it w/o cutting it?
thanks much

My older Element had plastic covers over the mounts for the roof rack.
Perhaps you can mount the antenna to the same brackets.

any way to put a mobile antenna on an element
 

On Jan 7, 6:21*pm, tom wrote:
On 1/7/2011 8:07 PM, bpuharic wrote:

Just got a honda element...any way to put a whip on it w/o cutting it?
thanks much

Well there's always thru-the-glass. *It's not the most efficient in my
experience (which is limited with respect to these) but it seems to work
well enough if you have a decent repeater system that is the target.
One plus is that you can usually get most of the half wave above the
roofline.

For all around flexibility I still like the simple quarter wave vertical
for 2m FM. *Enough high angle for metro downtown use, but that involves
either holes or magnets.

tom
K0TAR

I saw a note from a guy who "cooked" part of his window with the thru-
the-glass approach. He said the film sandwiched in the safety glass
darkened from being heated. As I recall, he was using 50 watts.

This stuff is all trade-offs, eh?

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On 1/12/2011 10:28 PM, Sal M. Onella wrote:
On Jan 7, 6:21 pm, wrote:
On 1/7/2011 8:07 PM, bpuharic wrote:

Just got a honda element...any way to put a whip on it w/o cutting it?
thanks much

Well there's always thru-the-glass. It's not the most efficient in my
experience (which is limited with respect to these) but it seems to work
well enough if you have a decent repeater system that is the target.
One plus is that you can usually get most of the half wave above the
roofline.

For all around flexibility I still like the simple quarter wave vertical
for 2m FM. Enough high angle for metro downtown use, but that involves
either holes or magnets.

tom
K0TAR

I saw a note from a guy who "cooked" part of his window with the thru-
the-glass approach. He said the film sandwiched in the safety glass
darkened from being heated. As I recall, he was using 50 watts.

This stuff is all trade-offs, eh?

Never heard of that before, and I know lots of people who've used them
over the 30+ year period they've been around. Including myself. I'd
like to see pictures. And also know how much power the guy was sending
to an antenna system rated for a specific number of watts.

tom
K0TAR

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On 1/13/2011 7:49 PM, tom wrote:

Never heard of that before, and I know lots of people who've used them
over the 30+ year period they've been around. Including myself. I'd like
to see pictures. And also know how much power the guy was sending to an
antenna system rated for a specific number of watts.

Sorry, how much power the system was _rated_ for. You stated 50 watts
delivered. Also whether he installed it correctly and tuned it correctly.

tom
K0TAR

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On Jan 13, 5:56*pm, tom wrote:
On 1/13/2011 7:49 PM, tom wrote:



Never heard of that before, and I know lots of people who've used them
over the 30+ year period they've been around. Including myself. I'd like
to see pictures. And also know how much power the guy was sending to an
antenna system rated for a specific number of watts.

Sorry, how much power the system was _rated_ for. *You stated 50 watts
delivered. *Also whether he installed it correctly and tuned it correctly.

tom
K0TAR

Sorry, too, that this was years ago and I cannot recall the source. I
looked for something (anything) before I posted, came up with nothing
and almost didn't post it. More looking just now, trying different
search terms and still nothing. Maybe it was BS. One lone story
isn't very impressive.

any way to put a mobile antenna on an element
 

On Fri, 07 Jan 2011 20:21:47 -0600, tom wrote:

On 1/7/2011 8:07 PM, bpuharic wrote:
Just got a honda element...any way to put a whip on it w/o cutting it?
thanks much

Well there's always thru-the-glass. It's not the most efficient in my
experience (which is limited with respect to these) but it seems to work
well enough if you have a decent repeater system that is the target.
One plus is that you can usually get most of the half wave above the
roofline.

For all around flexibility I still like the simple quarter wave vertical
for 2m FM. Enough high angle for metro downtown use, but that involves
either holes or magnets.

tom
K0TAR


sorry...my mistake. this is an HF whip antenna

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On Sun, 09 Jan 2011 11:52:35 -0600, joe wrote:

bpuharic wrote:
Just got a honda element...any way to put a whip on it w/o cutting it?
thanks much

My older Element had plastic covers over the mounts for the roof rack.
Perhaps you can mount the antenna to the same brackets.

this one doesnt have a roof rack, unfortunately.

they thought of eveything!

any way to put a mobile antenna on an element
 

On 1/15/2011 6:39 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 07 Jan 2011 20:21:47 -0600, wrote:

On 1/7/2011 8:07 PM, bpuharic wrote:
Just got a honda element...any way to put a whip on it w/o cutting it?
thanks much

Well there's always thru-the-glass. It's not the most efficient in my
experience (which is limited with respect to these) but it seems to work
well enough if you have a decent repeater system that is the target.
One plus is that you can usually get most of the half wave above the
roofline.

For all around flexibility I still like the simple quarter wave vertical
for 2m FM. Enough high angle for metro downtown use, but that involves
either holes or magnets.

tom
K0TAR


sorry...my mistake. this is an HF whip antenna

Please clarify then - do you want to avoid cutting the whip, or the car?

tom
K0TAR

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On Sat, 15 Jan 2011 20:04:26 -0600, tom wrote:

On 1/15/2011 6:39 PM, bpuharic wrote:
On Fri, 07 Jan 2011 20:21:47 -0600, wrote:

On 1/7/2011 8:07 PM, bpuharic wrote:
Just got a honda element...any way to put a whip on it w/o cutting it?
thanks much

Well there's always thru-the-glass. It's not the most efficient in my
experience (which is limited with respect to these) but it seems to work
well enough if you have a decent repeater system that is the target.
One plus is that you can usually get most of the half wave above the
roofline.

For all around flexibility I still like the simple quarter wave vertical
for 2m FM. Enough high angle for metro downtown use, but that involves
either holes or magnets.

tom
K0TAR


sorry...my mistake. this is an HF whip antenna

Please clarify then - do you want to avoid cutting the whip, or the car?

would prefer not cutting the car. on my old honda CRV i had a piece of
angled aluminim i bolted to the spare tire mount. the element is
protrusion free, unfortunately, so there's nothing to hang anything on


tom
K0TAR

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Don't know your car, but does it have a hitch?, if it does you can make a
mount & bolt it to the hitch or where the hitch is bolted...Go to some of
the screwdriver dealers like High Sierra & look at all the mounts on many
vehicles to give you an idea...Howard K0ACF
"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Sun, 09 Jan 2011 11:52:35 -0600, joe wrote:

bpuharic wrote:
Just got a honda element...any way to put a whip on it w/o cutting it?
thanks much

My older Element had plastic covers over the mounts for the roof rack.
Perhaps you can mount the antenna to the same brackets.

this one doesnt have a roof rack, unfortunately.

they thought of eveything!

any way to put a mobile antenna on an element
 

bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 09 Jan 2011 11:52:35 -0600, joe wrote:

bpuharic wrote:
Just got a honda element...any way to put a whip on it w/o cutting it?
thanks much
My older Element had plastic covers over the mounts for the roof rack.
Perhaps you can mount the antenna to the same brackets.

this one doesnt have a roof rack, unfortunately.

they thought of eveything!

I think you missed my point. Look at page 2.
https://estore.honda.com/ext_html/pd...stallation.pdf

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On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 00:11:42 -0600, "Howard K0ACF"
wrote:

Don't know your car, but does it have a hitch?, if it does you can make a
mount & bolt it to the hitch or where the hitch is bolted...Go to some of
the screwdriver dealers like High Sierra & look at all the mounts on many
vehicles to give you an idea...Howard K0ACF

hi howard and thanks...no, i checked that. the element is barren of
any attachment points...very well thought out!

i used to have a screwdriver. liked it but it was a BITCH to ground
and it wouldnt work right without a great ground...

but looking at the mounts for the high sierra may give me some
ideas....

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On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 08:21:42 -0600, joe wrote:

bpuharic wrote:
On Sun, 09 Jan 2011 11:52:35 -0600, joe wrote:

bpuharic wrote:
Just got a honda element...any way to put a whip on it w/o cutting it?
thanks much
My older Element had plastic covers over the mounts for the roof rack.
Perhaps you can mount the antenna to the same brackets.

this one doesnt have a roof rack, unfortunately.

they thought of eveything!

I think you missed my point. Look at page 2.
https://estore.honda.com/ext_html/pd...stallation.pdf

thanks, joe! that's a possibility and it would get the whip above roof
level.

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"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 00:11:42 -0600, "Howard K0ACF"
wrote:

Don't know your car, but does it have a hitch?, if it does you can make a
mount & bolt it to the hitch or where the hitch is bolted...Go to some of
the screwdriver dealers like High Sierra & look at all the mounts on many
vehicles to give you an idea...Howard K0ACF

hi howard and thanks...no, i checked that. the element is barren of
any attachment points...very well thought out!

Some years back, I went to a welding shop and asked them to weld a steel
strap to the car for an antenna mount. They found a spot on the left rear
where the strap would stick out and hold a mobile antenna. The shop rounded
the edges on the part of the strap sticking out, and drilled a hole in the
strap for the insulated whip connector. It worked out great.
--Wayne W5GIE

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On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 09:05:27 -0800, "Wayne"
wrote:


"bpuharic" wrote in message
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On Sun, 16 Jan 2011 00:11:42 -0600, "Howard K0ACF"
wrote:

Don't know your car, but does it have a hitch?, if it does you can make a
mount & bolt it to the hitch or where the hitch is bolted...Go to some of
the screwdriver dealers like High Sierra & look at all the mounts on many
vehicles to give you an idea...Howard K0ACF

hi howard and thanks...no, i checked that. the element is barren of
any attachment points...very well thought out!

Some years back, I went to a welding shop and asked them to weld a steel
strap to the car for an antenna mount. They found a spot on the left rear
where the strap would stick out and hold a mobile antenna. The shop rounded
the edges on the part of the strap sticking out, and drilled a hole in the
strap for the insulated whip connector. It worked out great.
--Wayne W5GIE


i've been giving that some thought. may talk to my mechanic to see if
he can recommend a spot...

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On Jan 7, 10:07*pm, bpuharic wrote:
Just got a honda element...any way to put a whip on it w/o cutting it?
thanks much

I drilled a hole in the ceneter of the roof of my wifes Nissan. Two
years later traded it in. I removed the antenna mount and plugged it
with a snap in rubber plug. No effect on resale value.


Jimmie

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On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 17:48:17 -0800 (PST), JIMMIE
wrote:

On Jan 7, 10:07*pm, bpuharic wrote:
Just got a honda element...any way to put a whip on it w/o cutting it?
thanks much

I drilled a hole in the ceneter of the roof of my wifes Nissan. Two
years later traded it in. I removed the antenna mount and plugged it
with a snap in rubber plug. No effect on resale value.


Jimmie

i've read about that...any problems with hitting stuff with the
antenna?

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On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 18:43:18 -0500, bpuharic rearranged some electrons to
say:

On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 17:48:17 -0800 (PST), JIMMIE
wrote:

On Jan 7, 10:07Â*pm, bpuharic wrote:
Just got a honda element...any way to put a whip on it w/o cutting it?
thanks much

I drilled a hole in the ceneter of the roof of my wifes Nissan. Two
years later traded it in. I removed the antenna mount and plugged it
with a snap in rubber plug. No effect on resale value.


Jimmie

i've read about that...any problems with hitting stuff with the antenna?

Uhhh... not if you remember it's there.

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"david" wrote in message
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On Wed, 19 Jan 2011 18:43:18 -0500, bpuharic rearranged some electrons to
say:

On Tue, 18 Jan 2011 17:48:17 -0800 (PST), JIMMIE
wrote:

On Jan 7, 10:07 pm, bpuharic wrote:
Just got a honda element...any way to put a whip on it w/o cutting it?
thanks much

I drilled a hole in the ceneter of the roof of my wifes Nissan. Two
years later traded it in. I removed the antenna mount and plugged it
with a snap in rubber plug. No effect on resale value.


Jimmie

i've read about that...any problems with hitting stuff with the antenna?

Uhhh... not if you remember it's there.
-
Carry a piggy bank in the car. Every time you hit something, throw a fiver
in the bank. Pretty soon, you will remember.
--Wayne

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bpuharic wrote:

thanks, joe! that's a possibility and it would get the whip above roof
level.


One other possibility is one of the four magnet magmount setups. Some even
come with coax. I've even seen such mounts used for screwdrivers if you
still have your prior one. Before anyone points out they have to be
grounded properly, the mounting holes for the roof mount offer access to at
least some grounding with the proper short bolt. I suspect such a scheme
might have the grounding strap()/wire(s) too long at 10 meters, but for 17
meters through 75, probably should be adequate.

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art clemons wrote:
bpuharic wrote:

thanks, joe! that's a possibility and it would get the whip above roof
level.


One other possibility is one of the four magnet magmount setups. Some even
come with coax. I've even seen such mounts used for screwdrivers if you
still have your prior one. Before anyone points out they have to be
grounded properly, the mounting holes for the roof mount offer access to at
least some grounding with the proper short bolt. I suspect such a scheme
might have the grounding strap()/wire(s) too long at 10 meters, but for 17
meters through 75, probably should be adequate.

On many cars these days, there is a plastic cover at the end of the roof
rack that covers a bolt that holds the rack onto the car. A ring lug
under the bolt and a black powerpole connector glued into a notch cut in
that plastic cover might give a really nice connection to the metal roof.

I don't know what a Honda element looks like but if it has a hatch back or trunk lid I can show you a way to mount an antenna that will work - where can I send you pictures?

I don't know what an Element looks like but if it has a hatchback or trunk lid I can show you a way to mount an antenna without cutting or drilling any holes - I came up with this mount for running my Hamsticks on the back of my truck which has a full hard lid that I didn't want to drill any holes in - can't guarantee it will work for your vehicle but I can send you pics - just tell me where to send them

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On Tue, 25 Jan 2011 16:57:56 +0000, K J Courter
wrote:


bpuharic;728489 Wrote:
Just got a honda element...any way to put a whip on it w/o cutting it?
thanks much

I don't know what a Honda element looks like but if it has a hatch back
or trunk lid I can show you a way to mount an antenna that will work -
where can I send you pictures?

that would be good! to wf3h(at)comcast.net

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On Mon, 24 Jan 2011 09:46:33 -0800, Jim Lux
wrote:

art clemons wrote:
bpuharic wrote:

thanks, joe! that's a possibility and it would get the whip above roof
level.


One other possibility is one of the four magnet magmount setups. Some even
come with coax. I've even seen such mounts used for screwdrivers if you
still have your prior one. Before anyone points out they have to be
grounded properly, the mounting holes for the roof mount offer access to at
least some grounding with the proper short bolt. I suspect such a scheme
might have the grounding strap()/wire(s) too long at 10 meters, but for 17
meters through 75, probably should be adequate.

On many cars these days, there is a plastic cover at the end of the roof
rack that covers a bolt that holds the rack onto the car. A ring lug
under the bolt and a black powerpole connector glued into a notch cut in
that plastic cover might give a really nice connection to the metal roof.

thanks guys may consider that. might be the best solution