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"K1TTT" napisal w wiadomosci
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On Feb 2, 7:53 pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

In such words: "I suppose we may compare together the matter of the
aether
and ordinary matter (as, for instance, the copper of the wire through
which
the electricity is conducted), and consider them as alike in their
essential
constitution; i.e. either as both composed of little nuclei, considered in
the abstract as matter" (Faraday).

In your antennas and in the space are free electrons. We do not need a
mystery aether.

Are electrons jumping off from your transmitting antennas?
In copper and in space are the same "little nuclei, considered in the
abstract as matter". Electrons have mass.


no, electrons don't jump off my antennas,

Tesla did the electron gun from an antenna. Why yours are different?

and there can not be free
electrons in space or they would all repel each other and fly away.

They do. The rare plasma is produced by the Sun. After condensation they
come back to stars.

and since they have mass and other detectable properties we would
easily be able to measure them if they were conducting electromagnetic
waves,

The electron gun produces the catode rays. You are able to measure them. Put
on a glas bottle with the anticatode on the top of CB radio antenna.
Your current meter measures the DC ground current.

such a simple thing as speed of the wave would be VERY
different than what we measure now.

Speed of the electric waves is and will be the same for ever. Of course for
the same temperature.

Faraday stated that must be: "that action which may be considered as
equivalent to a lateral vibration; "

The two (or more) sources give the same result like mystery TEM.

Are you better than Faraday?
S*

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On Feb 3, 8:42*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
*"K1TTT" napisal w ...
On Feb 2, 7:53 pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:





In such words: "I suppose we may compare together the matter of the
aether
and ordinary matter (as, for instance, the copper of the wire through
which
the electricity is conducted), and consider them as alike in their
essential
constitution; i.e. either as both composed of little nuclei, considered in
the abstract as matter" (Faraday).

In your antennas and in the space are free electrons. We do not need a
mystery aether.

Are electrons jumping off from your transmitting antennas?
In copper and in space are the same "little nuclei, considered in the
abstract as matter". Electrons have mass.

no, electrons don't jump off my antennas,

Tesla did the electron gun from an antenna. Why yours are different?

and there can not be free

electrons in space or they would all repel each other and fly away.

They do. The rare plasma is produced by the Sun. After condensation they
come back to stars.

and since they have mass and other detectable properties we would

easily be able to measure them if they were conducting electromagnetic
waves,

The electron gun produces the catode rays. You are able to measure them. Put
on a glas bottle with the anticatode on the top of CB radio antenna.
Your current meter measures the DC ground current.

such a simple thing as speed of the wave would be VERY

different than what we measure now.

Speed of the electric waves is and will be the same for ever. Of course for
the same temperature.

Faraday stated that must be: "that action which *may be considered as
equivalent to a lateral vibration; "

The two (or more) sources give the same result like mystery TEM.

Are you better than Faraday?
S*

no, i am better than you at reading faraday.

A small riddle, just for fun
 

Uzytkownik "K1TTT" napisal w wiadomosci
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On Feb 3, 8:42 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

Faraday stated that must be: "that action which may be considered as
equivalent to a lateral vibration; "

The two (or more) sources give the same result like mystery TEM.

Are you better than Faraday?
S*

no, i am better than you at reading faraday.

Do you need " the action which may be considered as equivalent to a lateral
vibration; "?
Or you are fine with TEM?
S*

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On Feb 4, 8:04*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
Uzytkownik "K1TTT" napisal w ...
On Feb 3, 8:42 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:



Faraday stated that must be: "that action which may be considered as
equivalent to a lateral vibration; "

The two (or more) sources give the same result like mystery TEM.

Are you better than Faraday?
S*
no, i am better than you at reading faraday.

Do you need " the action which may be considered as *equivalent to a lateral
vibration; "?
Or you are fine with TEM?
S*

i am fine with the transverse waves described by maxwell's equations
that don't require any aether.

A small riddle, just for fun
 

Uzytkownik "K1TTT" napisal w wiadomosci
...
On Feb 4, 8:04 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

Faraday stated that must be: "that action which may be considered as
equivalent to a lateral vibration; "

The two (or more) sources give the same result like mystery TEM.

Are you better than Faraday?
S*
no, i am better than you at reading faraday.

Do you need " the action which may be considered as equivalent to a
lateral
vibration; "?
Or you are fine with TEM?
S*

i am fine with the transverse waves described by maxwell's equations
that don't require any aether.

Maxwell equations are for Heaviside aether:
http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~...Heaviside.html
"I saw that it was great, greater, and greatest, with prodigious
possibilities in its power. I was determined to master the book... It took
me several years before I could understand as much as I possible could. Then
I set Maxwell aside and followed my own course. And I progressed much more
quickly.
Despite this hatred of rigour, Heaviside was able to greatly simplify
Maxwell's 20 equations in 20 variables, replacing them by four equations in
two variables. Today we call these 'Maxwell's equations' forgetting that
they are in fact 'Heaviside's equations'."

Heaviside equations have nothing common with Faraday and Maxwell.


I prefer the Faraday idea - without any aether.
S*

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On Feb 4, 6:00*pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
Uzytkownik "K1TTT" napisal w ...
On Feb 4, 8:04 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:



Faraday stated that must be: "that action which may be considered as
equivalent to a lateral vibration; "

The two (or more) sources give the same result like mystery TEM.

Are you better than Faraday?
S*
no, i am better than you at reading faraday.

Do you need " the action which may be considered as equivalent to a
lateral
vibration; "?
Or you are fine with TEM?
S*

i am fine with the transverse waves described by maxwell's equations
that don't require any aether.

Maxwell equations are for Heaviside aether:http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~...Heaviside.html
"I saw that it was great, greater, and greatest, with prodigious
possibilities in its power. I was determined to master the book... It took
me several years before I could understand as much as I possible could. Then
I set Maxwell aside and followed my own course. And I progressed much more
quickly.
Despite this hatred of rigour, Heaviside was able to greatly simplify
Maxwell's 20 equations in 20 variables, replacing them by four equations in
two variables. Today we call these 'Maxwell's equations' forgetting that
they are in fact 'Heaviside's equations'."

Heaviside equations have nothing common with Faraday and Maxwell.

I prefer the Faraday idea - *without any aether.
S*

it all depends on who is writing history:

"The four partial differential equations, now known as Maxwell's
equations, first appeared in fully developed form in Electricity and
Magnetism (1873). Most of this work was done by Maxwell at Glenlair
during the period between holding his London post and his taking up
the Cavendish chair. They are one of the great achievements of 19th-
century mathematics."

http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~...s/Maxwell.html

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On Fri, 4 Feb 2011 12:09:17 -0800 (PST), K1TTT wrote:

it all depends on who is writing history:

"The four partial differential equations, now known as Maxwell's
equations, first appeared in fully developed form in Electricity and
Magnetism (1873). Most of this work was done by Maxwell at Glenlair
during the period between holding his London post and his taking up
the Cavendish chair. They are one of the great achievements of 19th-
century mathematics."

http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~...s/Maxwell.html

Yes, indeed it does matter who is "writing history." The quotation
above is, in fact, quite wrong.

"Maxwell's formulation of electromagnetism consisted
of 20 equations in 20 variables. Heaviside employed
the curl and divergence operators of the vector
calculus to reformulate these 20 equations into
four equations in four variables (B, E, J, and rho),
the form by which they have been known ever
since (see Maxwell's equations)."

This "writing of history" above comes from:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaviside
where the embedded link to (see Maxwell's equations) is:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell%27s_equations
which then "RE-WRITES HISTORY" to state that the forms of the four
equations (formulated by Heaviside) were original to Maxwell (whose
work of 20 are ignored).

This, of course, will have no effect on the Soviet-inspired
revisionist polemic that un-informs this side thread from S* our
amateur doctrinaire.

* * * * * *

As an experiment at translate.google.com, I entered that last
paragraph above, translated it into Polish, and then took the Polish
output and ran it through (in reverse as it were) to see what that
looked like in English:

"This, of course, will not affect the relationship inspired
revisionist polemic that does not inform the thread-by-S * our
doctrinaire enthusiasts."

Curious how the "Soviet" was airbrushed out of translation.

So through carefully crafting the statement to preserve its piquancy,
I amended it to:

This, of course, will have no effect on the Stalinist-inspired
revisionist polemic that un-informs this side thread from S* our
amateur doctrinaire.

English-Polish-English renders:

"This, of course, will have no impact on the Stalinist-inspired
revisionist polemic that does not inform the thread-by-S * our
doctrinaire enthusiasts."

Aside from the last plural in place of singular, quite faithful to the
intended irony.

* * * * * * *

I wasn't going to try to push Maxwell's 20 equations through
translate.google.com to see if Heaviside emerged.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

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On Feb 4, 9:17*pm, Richard Clark wrote:
On Fri, 4 Feb 2011 12:09:17 -0800 (PST), K1TTT wrote:
it all depends on who is writing history:

"The four partial differential equations, now known as Maxwell's
equations, first appeared in fully developed form in Electricity and
Magnetism (1873). Most of this work was done by Maxwell at Glenlair
during the period between holding his London post and his taking up
the Cavendish chair. They are one of the great achievements of 19th-
century mathematics."

http://www-groups.dcs.st-and.ac.uk/~...s/Maxwell.html

Yes, indeed it does matter who is "writing history." *The quotation
above is, in fact, quite wrong.

* * * * "Maxwell's formulation of electromagnetism consisted
* * * * of 20 equations in 20 variables. Heaviside employed
* * * * the curl and divergence operators of the vector
* * * * calculus to reformulate these 20 equations into
* * * * four equations in four variables (B, E, J, and rho),
* * * * the form by which they have been known ever
* * * * since (see Maxwell's equations)."

This "writing of history" above comes from:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heaviside
where the embedded link to *(see Maxwell's equations) is:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maxwell%27s_equations
which then "RE-WRITES HISTORY" to state that the forms of the four
equations (formulated by Heaviside) were original to Maxwell (whose
work of 20 are ignored).

This, of course, will have no effect on the Soviet-inspired
revisionist polemic that un-informs this side thread from S* our
amateur doctrinaire.

* * * * * *

As an experiment at translate.google.com, I entered that last
paragraph above, translated it into Polish, and then took the Polish
output and ran it through (in reverse as it were) to see what that
looked like in English:

"This, of course, will not affect the relationship inspired
revisionist polemic that does not inform the thread-by-S * our
doctrinaire enthusiasts."

Curious how the "Soviet" was airbrushed out of translation.

So through carefully crafting the statement to preserve its piquancy,
I amended it to:

This, of course, will have no effect on the Stalinist-inspired
revisionist polemic that un-informs this side thread from S* our
amateur doctrinaire.

English-Polish-English renders:

"This, of course, will have no impact on the Stalinist-inspired
revisionist polemic that does not inform the thread-by-S * our
doctrinaire enthusiasts."

Aside from the last plural in place of singular, quite faithful to the
intended irony.

* * * * * * *

I wasn't going to try to push Maxwell's 20 equations through
translate.google.com to see if Heaviside emerged.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

i thought that rather than going to wikipedia or somewhere else it was
more appropriate to quote from the maxwell bio on the same website
mr.B used to get his quote.

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On Fri, 4 Feb 2011 14:17:00 -0800 (PST), K1TTT wrote:


i thought that rather than going to wikipedia or somewhere else it was
more appropriate to quote from the maxwell bio on the same website
mr.B used to get his quote.

This only works for a rational discussion.

S* is only interested in pursuing agitprop, the failure of a decandent
counter-cultural ideology.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

A small riddle, just for fun
 

Uzytkownik "Richard Clark" napisal w wiadomosci
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On Fri, 4 Feb 2011 14:17:00 -0800 (PST), K1TTT wrote:


i thought that rather than going to wikipedia or somewhere else it was
more appropriate to quote from the maxwell bio on the same website
mr.B used to get his quote.

This only works for a rational discussion.

S* is only interested in pursuing agitprop, the failure of a decandent
counter-cultural ideology.

You wrote: "Yes, indeed it does matter who is "writing history." The
quotation
above is, in fact, quite wrong."

So the best approach is to take a glance into the original papers.
In Maxwell's model the magnetic lines are like the smoke rings. Nothing flow
along them.
In Heaviside's model there is the solenoidal flow.

It is not simplification. The both models are quite different.

But the both are a history.

Your radio waves travel in rare plasma. It is interesting that Faraday
predicted it.
S*