20m FD Dipole
 

I've participated in Field Day every year since 1993, when I was first
licensed. Because I had a big 2m beam, I worked that band
aggressively, sometimes making the most QSOs. Unfortunately we lost
our hilltop FD site in 2009 and the 2m production "down low" was
disappointing in '09 and '10.

This year some youngsters want to work 2m, so I'm moving to HF, 20m
being the most promising, I think. With the help of EZNEC (evaluation
version), I modeled a promising 20m dipole at 30'. It's almost exactly
75 ohms resistive at the freqs I want to use and I'm going to feed it
with RG-6, 0.7 dB/100 feet. My radio has an internal tuner to match
the 75-ohm cable, if I need it.

I'll report the results.

"Sal"
KD6VKW ("Vicious Killer Weasel")

20m FD Dipole
 

On Jun 24, 6:16*pm, "Sal M. Onella" wrote:
I've participated in Field Day every year since 1993, when I was first
licensed. *Because I had a big 2m beam, I worked that band
aggressively, sometimes making the most QSOs. Unfortunately we lost
our hilltop FD site in 2009 and the 2m production "down low" was
disappointing in '09 and '10.

This year some youngsters want to work 2m, so I'm moving to HF, 20m
being the most promising, I think. *With the help of EZNEC (evaluation
version), I modeled a promising 20m dipole at 30'. It's almost exactly
75 ohms resistive at the freqs I want to use and I'm going to feed it
with RG-6, 0.7 dB/100 feet. My radio has an internal tuner to match
the 75-ohm cable, if I need it.

I'll report the results.

"Sal"
KD6VKW ("Vicious Killer Weasel")

wow, it takes eznec to model a dipole for field day now? not that
many years ago i ran a competition at field day... given a hunk of
coax(with one connector installed), a roll of wire, and some random
pieces of rope, cut a 10m dipole, get it up in the air, and make a
contact. no eznec, a tape measure if you really wanted it, and who
knows what the coax was.

20m FD Dipole
 

On Sat, 25 Jun 2011 03:59:55 -0700 (PDT), dave wrote:

On Jun 24, 6:16*pm, "Sal M. Onella" wrote:
I've participated in Field Day every year since 1993, when I was first
licensed. *Because I had a big 2m beam, I worked that band
aggressively, sometimes making the most QSOs. Unfortunately we lost
our hilltop FD site in 2009 and the 2m production "down low" was
disappointing in '09 and '10.

This year some youngsters want to work 2m, so I'm moving to HF, 20m
being the most promising, I think. *With the help of EZNEC (evaluation
version), I modeled a promising 20m dipole at 30'. It's almost exactly
75 ohms resistive at the freqs I want to use and I'm going to feed it
with RG-6, 0.7 dB/100 feet. My radio has an internal tuner to match
the 75-ohm cable, if I need it.

I'll report the results.

"Sal"
KD6VKW ("Vicious Killer Weasel")

wow, it takes eznec to model a dipole for field day now? not that
many years ago i ran a competition at field day... given a hunk of
coax(with one connector installed), a roll of wire, and some random
pieces of rope, cut a 10m dipole, get it up in the air, and make a
contact. no eznec, a tape measure if you really wanted it, and who
knows what the coax was.

You take all the fun out of a guy's efforts.

20m FD Dipole
 

On Jun 25, 3:51*pm, Eskay wrote:
On Sat, 25 Jun 2011 03:59:55 -0700 (PDT), dave wrote:
On Jun 24, 6:16*pm, "Sal M. Onella" wrote:
I've participated in Field Day every year since 1993, when I was first
licensed. *Because I had a big 2m beam, I worked that band
aggressively, sometimes making the most QSOs. Unfortunately we lost
our hilltop FD site in 2009 and the 2m production "down low" was
disappointing in '09 and '10.

This year some youngsters want to work 2m, so I'm moving to HF, 20m
being the most promising, I think. *With the help of EZNEC (evaluation
version), I modeled a promising 20m dipole at 30'. It's almost exactly
75 ohms resistive at the freqs I want to use and I'm going to feed it
with RG-6, 0.7 dB/100 feet. My radio has an internal tuner to match
the 75-ohm cable, if I need it.

I'll report the results.

"Sal"
KD6VKW ("Vicious Killer Weasel")

wow, it takes eznec to model a dipole for field day now? *not that
many years ago i ran a competition at field day... given a hunk of
coax(with one connector installed), a roll of wire, and some random
pieces of rope, cut a 10m dipole, get it up in the air, and make a
contact. *no eznec, a tape measure if you really wanted it, and who
knows what the coax was.

You take all the fun out of a guy's efforts.

too many people spend all their time analyzing antennas and no time
using them.

20m FD Dipole
 

On 6/26/2011 6:44 AM, dave wrote:
On Jun 25, 3:51 pm, wrote:
On Sat, 25 Jun 2011 03:59:55 -0700 (PDT), dave wrote:
On Jun 24, 6:16 pm, "Sal M. wrote:
I've participated in Field Day every year since 1993, when I was first
licensed. Because I had a big 2m beam, I worked that band
aggressively, sometimes making the most QSOs. Unfortunately we lost
our hilltop FD site in 2009 and the 2m production "down low" was
disappointing in '09 and '10.

This year some youngsters want to work 2m, so I'm moving to HF, 20m
being the most promising, I think. With the help of EZNEC (evaluation
version), I modeled a promising 20m dipole at 30'. It's almost exactly
75 ohms resistive at the freqs I want to use and I'm going to feed it
with RG-6, 0.7 dB/100 feet. My radio has an internal tuner to match
the 75-ohm cable, if I need it.

I'll report the results.

"Sal"
KD6VKW ("Vicious Killer Weasel")

wow, it takes eznec to model a dipole for field day now? not that
many years ago i ran a competition at field day... given a hunk of
coax(with one connector installed), a roll of wire, and some random
pieces of rope, cut a 10m dipole, get it up in the air, and make a
contact. no eznec, a tape measure if you really wanted it, and who
knows what the coax was.

You take all the fun out of a guy's efforts.

too many people spend all their time analyzing antennas and no time
using them.

And some people spend all their time complaining about other people
analyzing antennas. Take your own advice.

20m FD Dipole
 

On 6/26/2011 12:46 PM, Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names wrote:
On Sun, 26 Jun 2011 11:51:51 -0500, John
wrote:

On 6/26/2011 6:44 AM, dave wrote:
On Jun 25, 3:51 pm, wrote:
On Sat, 25 Jun 2011 03:59:55 -0700 (PDT), dave wrote:
On Jun 24, 6:16 pm, "Sal M. wrote:
I've participated in Field Day every year since 1993, when I was first
licensed. Because I had a big 2m beam, I worked that band
aggressively, sometimes making the most QSOs. Unfortunately we lost
our hilltop FD site in 2009 and the 2m production "down low" was
disappointing in '09 and '10.

This year some youngsters want to work 2m, so I'm moving to HF, 20m
being the most promising, I think. With the help of EZNEC (evaluation
version), I modeled a promising 20m dipole at 30'. It's almost exactly
75 ohms resistive at the freqs I want to use and I'm going to feed it
with RG-6, 0.7 dB/100 feet. My radio has an internal tuner to match
the 75-ohm cable, if I need it.

I'll report the results.

"Sal"
KD6VKW ("Vicious Killer Weasel")

wow, it takes eznec to model a dipole for field day now? not that
many years ago i ran a competition at field day... given a hunk of
coax(with one connector installed), a roll of wire, and some random
pieces of rope, cut a 10m dipole, get it up in the air, and make a
contact. no eznec, a tape measure if you really wanted it, and who
knows what the coax was.

You take all the fun out of a guy's efforts.

too many people spend all their time analyzing antennas and no time
using them.

And some people spend all their time complaining about other people
analyzing antennas. Take your own advice.


And some of us just throw up a piece of wire and are happy with it.

And some of us strive for a higher education. To each his own.

I need a drink.

I'm sure.

anybody who know this shopping website?it seems very nice right?
anybody know this website:http://www.gohotbuy.com/ ? i want buy some sneakers and jeans for myself and just found it,theirs price is very cheap,anybody have a suggestion?
thank you

20m FD Dipole
 

On 6/26/2011 2:56 PM, John S wrote:
On 6/26/2011 12:46 PM, Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names wrote:

And some of us just throw up a piece of wire and are happy with it.

And some of us strive for a higher education. To each his own.

And we get that higher education in a netnews group? I enjoy this group,
but it's the equivalent to getting marriage advice at a bar. Maybe good,
but just as likely really bad.

- 73 de Mike N3LI -

20m FD Dipole
 

On 6/26/2011 10:34 PM, Mike Coslo wrote:
On 6/26/2011 2:56 PM, John S wrote:
On 6/26/2011 12:46 PM, Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names wrote:

And some of us just throw up a piece of wire and are happy with it.

And some of us strive for a higher education. To each his own.

And we get that higher education in a netnews group? I enjoy this group,
but it's the equivalent to getting marriage advice at a bar. Maybe good,
but just as likely really bad.

- 73 de Mike N3LI -


Maybe you are already educated beyond what is available here. If so,
good for you.

73,
John - KD5YI

20m FD Dipole
 

On Jun 25, 8:51*am, Eskay wrote:
On Sat, 25 Jun 2011 03:59:55 -0700 (PDT), dave wrote:
On Jun 24, 6:16*pm, "Sal M. Onella" wrote:
I've participated in Field Day every year since 1993, when I was first
licensed. *Because I had a big 2m beam, I worked that band
aggressively, sometimes making the most QSOs. Unfortunately we lost
our hilltop FD site in 2009 and the 2m production "down low" was
disappointing in '09 and '10.

This year some youngsters want to work 2m, so I'm moving to HF, 20m
being the most promising, I think. *With the help of EZNEC (evaluation
version), I modeled a promising 20m dipole at 30'. It's almost exactly
75 ohms resistive at the freqs I want to use and I'm going to feed it
with RG-6, 0.7 dB/100 feet. My radio has an internal tuner to match
the 75-ohm cable, if I need it.

I'll report the results.

"Sal"
KD6VKW ("Vicious Killer Weasel")

wow, it takes eznec to model a dipole for field day now? *not that
many years ago i ran a competition at field day... given a hunk of
coax(with one connector installed), a roll of wire, and some random
pieces of rope, cut a 10m dipole, get it up in the air, and make a
contact. *no eznec, a tape measure if you really wanted it, and who
knows what the coax was.

You take all the fun out of a guy's efforts.

Yeah, kinda, but that's all right. I already have four working
dipoles up at home, each produced much as Dave describes; 40, 20, 20,
10.

I was seeking optimization and I got it. Example: My TS-870
electronic display lights up five little dots for a 1.5:1 SWR. As
installed, the new antenna gave me only three little dots -- most of
it probably right at the back of the radio in the transition to 75
ohms. I am very, very pleased with the results.

20m was lit up like a Christmas tree all day and into the night.
While operating 100W, I logged a new QSO every two to five minutes.
(I'm nobody's idea of a contester.) Surprise -- broke a few pileups.

I oriented the antenna for max toward 060 degrees True, the bulk of
North America from San Diego. Putting up three guyed 30-foot poles
was quite the adventure but it all worked. No blood loss, one
blister. :-)

"Sal"

PS: TS-870 reported an untuned 3:1 SWR on 15m, which the tuner
handled easily. Many QSOs on 15m.

20m FD Dipole
 

On 6/27/2011 12:04 AM, John S wrote:
On 6/26/2011 10:34 PM, Mike Coslo wrote:

And we get that higher education in a netnews group? I enjoy this group,
but it's the equivalent to getting marriage advice at a bar. Maybe good,
but just as likely really bad.

Maybe you are already educated beyond what is available here. If so,
good for you.

Have you tried out rec.radio.amateur.policy? I think it's your kind of
group.

- 73 de Mike N3LI -

20m FD Dipole
 

On 6/27/2011 12:44 AM, Sal M. Onella wrote:

I was seeking optimization and I got it. Example: My TS-870
electronic display lights up five little dots for a 1.5:1 SWR. As
installed, the new antenna gave me only three little dots -- most of
it probably right at the back of the radio in the transition to 75
ohms. I am very, very pleased with the results.

The fun part of antenna modeling, at least for me, is seeing how close
the real thing meets the design. We put up an antenna for FD, an 80
meter cut for the cw portion of the band, and hit it on the first try.

As for folks tuning up rain gutters and wire salvaged from an old
toaster, then making an antenna out of it, that's fun too, but the final
result isn't likely to be optimum.

- 73 de Mike N3LI -

20m FD Dipole
 

On 6/27/2011 8:19 AM, Mike Coslo wrote:
On 6/27/2011 12:04 AM, John S wrote:
On 6/26/2011 10:34 PM, Mike Coslo wrote:

And we get that higher education in a netnews group? I enjoy this group,
but it's the equivalent to getting marriage advice at a bar. Maybe good,
but just as likely really bad.

Maybe you are already educated beyond what is available here. If so,
good for you.

Have you tried out rec.radio.amateur.policy? I think it's your kind of
group.

- 73 de Mike N3LI -

And maybe you should try out rec.radio.amateur.know_it_all. I'm sure
you'd be in good company.

John

20m FD Dipole
 

On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 09:33:23 -0400, Mike Coslo wrote:

On 6/27/2011 12:44 AM, Sal M. Onella wrote:

I was seeking optimization and I got it. Example: My TS-870
electronic display lights up five little dots for a 1.5:1 SWR. As
installed, the new antenna gave me only three little dots -- most of
it probably right at the back of the radio in the transition to 75
ohms. I am very, very pleased with the results.

The fun part of antenna modeling, at least for me, is seeing how close
the real thing meets the design. We put up an antenna for FD, an 80
meter cut for the cw portion of the band, and hit it on the first try.

As for folks tuning up rain gutters and wire salvaged from an old
toaster, then making an antenna out of it, that's fun too, but the final
result isn't likely to be optimum.

- 73 de Mike N3LI -

I use EZNEC 5 nearly every day. It saves me time & money. I can
minimize my physical work as well. At 71 years old that is getting
more important every day. Last week I took down my Fan of dipoles and
put up a 40m half wave in series with an 80 meter half wave, fed at
33% from one end. The wire was handy and so was the room. What a waste
and in 90 degree + weather too. If I had modelled it first, I would
have done it. Hard to feed everywhere and the low activity seem to
endorse the computed patterns.

I ran an inverted Vee through EZ5 with 43 foot wires on each side and
it looked as good as anything on 40 & 80M and was easy to tune about
anywhere. The testing has supported that the 30M and up patterns are
not nearly as useful as the corresponding dipoles, but it does work
everywhere. I got the 43 foot wires by simply folding the excess from
an 80M dipole and taping them. Nothing permanent, no $ spent. I will
likely keep this for 40 & 80. Probably back to adding in a couple of
dipoles for 30 & 17 in a fan configuration while I consider my first
venture into my first Quad effort.

20-15-10 are covered with an A3S Cushcraft at 60 feet. I don't
understand it, but it works good.

20m FD Dipole
 

On 6/26/2011 6:44 AM, dave wrote:
On Jun 25, 3:51 pm, wrote:
On Sat, 25 Jun 2011 03:59:55 -0700 (PDT), dave wrote:

wow, it takes eznec to model a dipole for field day now? not that
many years ago i ran a competition at field day... given a hunk of
coax(with one connector installed), a roll of wire, and some random
pieces of rope, cut a 10m dipole, get it up in the air, and make a
contact. no eznec, a tape measure if you really wanted it, and who
knows what the coax was.

You take all the fun out of a guy's efforts.

too many people spend all their time analyzing antennas and no time
using them.

That is a disease that affects, as a SWAG, about 80% of the core
population here.

Then there are the people that ask questions because they are trying to
actually build something. Who almost always get what is effectively
GobbldeeGook in response.

All they just want to know how to make something that is "OK, works good
enough" and they have to wade through dozens of useless responses to
_maybe_ get one that's worthwhile.

Welcome to rraa, where no one "important" ever agrees.

tom
K0TAR

20m FD Dipole
 

On 6/27/2011 11:40 AM, John S wrote:
On 6/27/2011 8:19 AM, Mike Coslo wrote:

Have you tried out rec.radio.amateur.policy? I think it's your kind of
group.

- 73 de Mike N3LI -

And maybe you should try out rec.radio.amateur.know_it_all. I'm sure
you'd be in good company.

Why John, you must be pulling me leg here. I looked for that group, and
couldn't find it. 8^)

- 73 de Mike N3LI -

20m FD Dipole
 

On 6/27/2011 10:19 PM, tom wrote:

Then there are the people that ask questions because they are trying to
actually build something. Who almost always get what is effectively
GobbldeeGook in response.

Hi Tom,

This reminds me, is Art still around? I hope nothing has happened to the
old gent.

(I've been absent for several months)

- 73 de Mike N3LI -

20m FD Dipole
 

On 6/27/2011 10:14 PM, Mike Coslo wrote:
On 6/27/2011 11:40 AM, John S wrote:
On 6/27/2011 8:19 AM, Mike Coslo wrote:

Have you tried out rec.radio.amateur.policy? I think it's your kind of
group.

- 73 de Mike N3LI -

And maybe you should try out rec.radio.amateur.know_it_all. I'm sure
you'd be in good company.

Why John, you must be pulling me leg here. I looked for that group, and
couldn't find it. 8^)

- 73 de Mike N3LI -

Okay. You got me.

John

20m FD Dipole
 

On 6/27/2011 10:20 PM, Mike Coslo wrote:
On 6/27/2011 10:19 PM, tom wrote:

Then there are the people that ask questions because they are trying to
actually build something. Who almost always get what is effectively
GobbldeeGook in response.

Hi Tom,

This reminds me, is Art still around? I hope nothing has happened to the
old gent.

(I've been absent for several months)

- 73 de Mike N3LI -

Haven't seen him since roughly the new year. His protege is back though.

tom
K0TAR

20m FD Dipole
 

On Jun 25, 8:51*am, Eskay wrote:
On Sat, 25 Jun 2011 03:59:55 -0700 (PDT), dave wrote:
On Jun 24, 6:16*pm, "Sal M. Onella" wrote:
I've participated in Field Day every year since 1993, when I was first
licensed. *Because I had a big 2m beam, I worked that band
aggressively, sometimes making the most QSOs. Unfortunately we lost
our hilltop FD site in 2009 and the 2m production "down low" was
disappointing in '09 and '10.

This year some youngsters want to work 2m, so I'm moving to HF, 20m
being the most promising, I think. *With the help of EZNEC (evaluation
version), I modeled a promising 20m dipole at 30'. It's almost exactly
75 ohms resistive at the freqs I want to use and I'm going to feed it
with RG-6, 0.7 dB/100 feet. My radio has an internal tuner to match
the 75-ohm cable, if I need it.

I'll report the results.

"Sal"
KD6VKW ("Vicious Killer Weasel")

wow, it takes eznec to model a dipole for field day now? *not that
many years ago i ran a competition at field day... given a hunk of
coax(with one connector installed), a roll of wire, and some random
pieces of rope, cut a 10m dipole, get it up in the air, and make a
contact. *no eznec, a tape measure if you really wanted it, and who
knows what the coax was.

You take all the fun out of a guy's efforts.

This is only a test post. I have responded to this particular item
twice, once on Sunday and once yesterday. Neither one showed up.
Nothing in what I said would have been censored for any reason. Odd.
I think it said post was successful. I'm checking that now and will
wait to see if this appears in the group.

"Sal"

20m FD Dipole
 

Sal M. Onella wrote:


This is only a test post. I have responded to this particular item
twice, once on Sunday and once yesterday. Neither one showed up.
Nothing in what I said would have been censored for any reason. Odd.
I think it said post was successful. I'm checking that now and will
wait to see if this appears in the group.

"Sal"

It's unlikely you will see this, but google groups has been
down since the 25th. It seems to be allowing posts, but it's
not showing any new posts since the 25th.
That's why you are not seeing your posts.

20m FD Dipole
 

On Jun 26, 8:34*pm, Mike Coslo wrote:
On 6/26/2011 2:56 PM, John S wrote:

On 6/26/2011 12:46 PM, Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names wrote:
And some of us just throw up a piece of wire and are happy with it.

And some of us strive for a higher education. To each his own.

And we get that higher education in a netnews group? I enjoy this group,
but it's the equivalent to getting marriage advice at a bar. Maybe good,
but just as likely really bad.

* * * * - 73 de Mike N3LI -

Oh, Mike, you made a funny! Having been married for more than forty
years, I'm surprised to learn there is even such a thing as good
marriage advice.

73,
Sal

20m FD Dipole
 

On Jun 27, 6:33*am, Mike Coslo wrote:


As for folks tuning up rain gutters and wire salvaged from an old
toaster, then making an antenna out of it, that's fun too, but the final
result isn't likely to be optimum.



Yes!

I know I've told this story here before, but ...

My first HF antenna was a 10m vertical sleeve dipole. It was mounted
only a few feet above ground. With a tuner,
I matched 15m but not 20m. I knew I needed more metal on at least one
element, so I grabbed a clip lead and a hunk of wire and headed
outside. Near the antenna, I almost tripped over an extension ladder
laying on the ground. This is a sign, I thought. I tossed the wire
and dragged the ladder over to the dipole and clipped it onto the
lower element.

Back inside, I tuned up nicely on 20m and answered a CQ. Had a nice
chat with a fellow in Hawaii; five-by copy both ways.

Some wag in this group suggested "ladder line" might improve the
setup. Good one.

"Sal"

20m FD Dipole
 

On Jun 26, 10:46*am, Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names
wrote:

snip

And some of us just throw up a piece of wire and are happy with it.

True, but that ignores what is for me the essence of our hobby,
namely,
"Let's try this and see what happens." We're looking for betterment.

Sometime we make smoke (Me, twice, so far.)
Sometime we make a pleasing discovery. (Me, too many times to count.)

I will not be changing to the " ... throw a piece of wire ..." school
of thought,
as my organized (or maybe semi-organized :-) experimental process is
more enjoyable.

I should add I spend more time in QSO than I do playing with the
theory.

73,
"Sal"

20m FD Dipole
 

On 6/26/2011 10:34 PM, Mike Coslo wrote:
On 6/26/2011 2:56 PM, John S wrote:
On 6/26/2011 12:46 PM, Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names wrote:

And some of us just throw up a piece of wire and are happy with it.

And some of us strive for a higher education. To each his own.

And we get that higher education in a netnews group? I enjoy this group,
but it's the equivalent to getting marriage advice at a bar. Maybe good,
but just as likely really bad.

- 73 de Mike N3LI -

I'm sure the people who provide answers to questions here are happy to
read what you think of them.

John

20m FD Dipole
 

On Jun 28, 6:55*pm, NM5K wrote:


It's unlikely you will see this, but google groups has been
down since the 25th. It seems to be allowing posts, but it's
not showing any new posts since the 25th.
That's why you are not seeing your posts.

Thanks.

Posts seem now to be showing in bursts, but few (?) close to real
time.
Time to spend money for a more dependable newsreader, I suppose.

20m FD Dipole
 

Sal M. Onella wrote:

On Jun 28, 6:55 pm, NM5K wrote:


It's unlikely you will see this, but google groups has been
down since the 25th. It seems to be allowing posts, but it's
not showing any new posts since the 25th.
That's why you are not seeing your posts.

Thanks.

Posts seem now to be showing in bursts, but few (?) close to real
time.
Time to spend money for a more dependable newsreader, I suppose.

I sort of expect they will get it straightened out before
too long. I think they are doing some massive changes. The
search engine, groups, the whole mess..
Supposably July 1 is when the new system is supposed to
be kicked in. Whether GG will be right by then, who knows..
I'm using eternal-september.org right now. It's pretty
good for a free news server.
But believe it or not, I actually prefer google groups.
Some people shake their heads when I say that, but screw
em if they can't take a joke.. :/
To me, the web based reader is faster and less cumbersome
than using the regular news readers.
Fer instance, on the regular reader I have to look at each
post individually. With GG I see all posts in a thread at
once. It's faster..
Also, if I start fresh on the news server, I have to log in
with my user name and password. And then I have to type in
the new groups I want to look at.. What a pain..
Where as GG, as my usual groups are saved with my "profile"
or whatever you want to call it.
I'll think I'll keep both going, but if they get GG back
in order, I'll likely revert back to it, and keep the
eternal-september.org as a backup.

I looked it up on google it says 'GOAT' definition 'tom KOTAR' fancy that!

20m FD Dipole
 

"NM5K" wrote in message
...

snip

I'm using eternal-september.org right now. It's pretty
good for a free news server.
But believe it or not, I actually prefer google groups.
Some people shake their heads when I say that, but screw
em if they can't take a joke.. :/

snip

Also, if I start fresh on the news server, I have to log in
with my user name and password.

snip

I'll think I'll keep both going, but if they get GG back
in order, I'll likely revert back to it, and keep the
eternal-september.org as a backup.

Good news.

I tried eternal september.org on Win XP in my shack
and it works. This response is through
them using the Outlook Express client, which I
was using before my ISP shut off its NG server.
Good tip. Thanks.

I notice the spam distractions are absent. Good.

Next trick, getting it to work on the iMac, for which I
do not currently have a newsreader. (Betas of the
next Apple OS are said to have major enhancements
to Apple Mail. Fingers crossed for that to include
a newsreader.)

Regarding your login hassle, it is avoidable. My
news client does it for me automatically and
displays my subscribed groups as folders.

True, Outlook Express is bad, but not ALL bad ;-)

"Sal"
..

20m FD Dipole
 

"Sal" wrote in :
....
I tried eternal september.org on Win XP in my shack
and it works. This response is through

I also tried september.org using the XNews client which offers much richer
filtering than you get through most newsreaders... and doesn't have the
bottlenecks and stalls that Google Groups has, with or without its new
interface.

Owen

20m FD Dipole
 

On 6/29/2011 3:17 PM, John S wrote:

I'm sure the people who provide answers to questions here are happy to
read what you think of them.


Then again, I'm not saying which is which.

It's not hard to tell though. Good advice tends to have the ring of
truth to it. It's something you can reference, can duplicate, and at
some point makes sense.

The other sort might be mystery physics, like little particles that jump
off your antenna to another, the discarding of everything past Volta,
or magical 3 foot antennas that work better than anything else.

Then again, I guess I just did say which is which.

- 73 de Mike N3LI -