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On Mon, 07 Nov 2011 10:14:14 +0100, Szczepan Bialek rearranged some
electrons to say:

"The first observations of cosmic radio emission were made by the
American engineer Karl G. Jansky in 1932, while studying thunderstorm
radio disturbances at a frequency of 20.5 MHz (14.6 m). He discovered
radio emission of unknown origin, which varied within a 24-hour period.
Later he identified the source of this radiation to be in the direction
of the centre of our Galaxy. From:
http://encyclozine.com/science/astronomy/radio

I understand that the frequency "varied within a 24-hour period". It is
the "diurnal effect".
And what about the 365 days period (annual effect)?
S*

It is not the frequency that changed, but the intensity. And not a 24
hour period, but 23 hours, 56 minutes, thus proving that the noise was
not generated or varied by the earth's rotation.

http://www.enotes.com/karl-jansky-reference/karl-jansky

Yes. "His" transmitter "produced" many frequencies. But Karl G. Jansky was
the pioneer in Radio Astronomy.

Now are the spacecrafts. They use the two frequencies.
I have found the link:
http://chaos.swarthmore.edu/courses/...er_Anomaly.pdf

""It is also possible to infer the position in the sky of a
spacecraft from the Doppler data. This is accomplished by

examining the diurnal variation imparted to the Doppler shift

by the Earth's rotation. As the ground station rotates underneath

a spacecraft, the Doppler shift is modulated by a sinusoid."


Probably in this paper is also the answer for my question: "And what about
the 365 days period (annual effect)?

Unfortunately I am not an expert in radio. Do you know the answer?
S*

Szczepan Bialek wrote:
Probably in this paper is also the answer for my question: "And what about
the 365 days period (annual effect)?

Unfortunately I am not an expert in radio. Do you know the answer?
S*

Why are you so obsessed by this question?

On 11/7/2011 12:50 PM, Rob wrote:
Szczepan wrote:
Probably in this paper is also the answer for my question: "And what about
the 365 days period (annual effect)?

Unfortunately I am not an expert in radio. Do you know the answer?
S*

Why are you so obsessed by this question?


He's not. He's just obsessed.

He loves to ask questio0ns, get answers, and then tell all of us that
any science newer than 100 or 150 years old is incorrect. Even when the
scientist in question changed his original theory due to newer and
better evidence.

It will happen. Just wait a bit.

tom
K0TAR

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On 11/7/2011 12:50 PM, Rob wrote:
Szczepan wrote:
Probably in this paper is also the answer for my question: "And what
about
the 365 days period (annual effect)?

Unfortunately I am not an expert in radio. Do you know the answer?
S*

Why are you so obsessed by this question?


He's not. He's just obsessed.

He loves to ask questio0ns, get answers, and then tell all of us that any
science newer than 100 or 150 years old is incorrect. Even when the
scientist in question changed his original theory due to newer and better
evidence.

In each textbook is wrote that we can detect the angular motion of the Earth
but the orbital not.

It will happen. Just wait a bit.

To you know the best evidence (the frequency variation from the spacecraft
in the annual period)?
S*

Uzytkownik "Rob" napisal w wiadomosci
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Szczepan Bialek wrote:
Probably in this paper is also the answer for my question: "And what
about
the 365 days period (annual effect)?

Unfortunately I am not an expert in radio. Do you know the answer?
S*

Why are you so obsessed by this question?

Once mo
""In 1818 Arago found that the refraction of a prism for star light was the
same for light incident in the direction of the earth's orbital velocity v
as for that coming in the opposite direction. This unexpected null result
was explained that same year by Fresnel's ether-dray theory, which assumed
partial ether entrainment in transparent media by an amount depending upon
the first power of v." From: http://www.3rd1000.com/chronoatoms.htm

Today's spectrograph astronomers assume that the effect is not null.

It seems to me that today's astronomers are wrong because in physics are
still null result.
So I am looking for the result from communication with the spacecraft.
S*

On 11/8/2011 2:10 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
Uzytkownik napisal w wiadomosci
...
Szczepan wrote:
Probably in this paper is also the answer for my question: "And what
about
the 365 days period (annual effect)?

Unfortunately I am not an expert in radio. Do you know the answer?
S*

Why are you so obsessed by this question?

Once mo
""In 1818 Arago found that the refraction of a prism for star light was the
same for light incident in the direction of the earth's orbital velocity v
as for that coming in the opposite direction. This unexpected null result
was explained that same year by Fresnel's ether-dray theory, which assumed
partial ether entrainment in transparent media by an amount depending upon
the first power of v." From: http://www.3rd1000.com/chronoatoms.htm

Today's spectrograph astronomers assume that the effect is not null.

It seems to me that today's astronomers are wrong because in physics are
still null result.
So I am looking for the result from communication with the spacecraft.
S*



Like I said. He doesn't like new results. Ever.

And if you provide evidence that he doesn't like, such as spacecraft
comm results that will likely not be what he likes, he will dispute it
and point back to the deprecated experiments.

It never ends. He is the ultimate troll.

Ok, the ultimate troll isn't him, it's another that hasn't shown up here
lately, but he's very close.

tom
K0TAR

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On 11/8/2011 2:10 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
Uzytkownik napisal w wiadomosci
...
Szczepan wrote:
Probably in this paper is also the answer for my question: "And what
about
the 365 days period (annual effect)?

Unfortunately I am not an expert in radio. Do you know the answer?
S*

Why are you so obsessed by this question?

Once mo
""In 1818 Arago found that the refraction of a prism for star light was
the
same for light incident in the direction of the earth's orbital velocity
v
as for that coming in the opposite direction. This unexpected null result
was explained that same year by Fresnel's ether-dray theory, which
assumed
partial ether entrainment in transparent media by an amount depending
upon
the first power of v." From: http://www.3rd1000.com/chronoatoms.htm

Today's spectrograph astronomers assume that the effect is not null.

It seems to me that today's astronomers are wrong because in physics are
still null result.
So I am looking for the result from communication with the spacecraft.
S*

Like I said. He doesn't like new results. Ever.

I am looking for the new result.

Astronomers ASSUME. I do not know why.

And if you provide evidence that he doesn't like, such as spacecraft comm
results that will likely not be what he likes, he will dispute it and
point back to the deprecated experiments.

In today's physics is opinion that we can detect the angular motion (Sagnac
effect) but it is impossible to detect the linear motion.
Who and when deprecated the famous null result?
S*

Once mo
""In 1818 Arago found that the refraction of a prism for star light
was the
same for light incident in the direction of the earth's orbital
velocity v
as for that coming in the opposite direction. This unexpected null result
was explained that same year by Fresnel's ether-dray theory, which
assumed
partial ether entrainment in transparent media by an amount depending
upon
the first power of v." From: http://www.3rd1000.com/chronoatoms.htm

Today's spectrograph astronomers assume that the effect is not null.

It seems to me that today's astronomers are wrong because in physics are
still null result.
So I am looking for the result from communication with the spacecraft.
S*


Earth's rotation is about 465.1 m/s
Say the average frequency of visible light is 500THz

doppler shift is (Vr/C)*F = (465/ 3 * 10^8)*500 * 10^12 = 7.75 10^8Hz
So to see the shift you will need to be able to observe your light
frequency to an accuracy of about 0.00015%. Which would have been
impossible for Arago.

Of course the above figures are only true for light coming directly at
the observer ie on the horizon, so for other angles there is a Cos Theta
term to reduce the effect even more (to zero directly overhead).

Jeff

"Jeff" napisal w wiadomosci
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Once mo
""In 1818 Arago found that the refraction of a prism for star light
was the
same for light incident in the direction of the earth's orbital
velocity v
as for that coming in the opposite direction. This unexpected null result
was explained that same year by Fresnel's ether-dray theory, which
assumed
partial ether entrainment in transparent media by an amount depending
upon
the first power of v." From: http://www.3rd1000.com/chronoatoms.htm

Today's spectrograph astronomers assume that the effect is not null.

It seems to me that today's astronomers are wrong because in physics are
still null result.
So I am looking for the result from communication with the spacecraft.
S*


Earth's rotation is about 465.1 m/s
Say the average frequency of visible light is 500THz

doppler shift is (Vr/C)*F = (465/ 3 * 10^8)*500 * 10^12 = 7.75 10^8Hz
So to see the shift you will need to be able to observe your light
frequency to an accuracy of about 0.00015%. Which would have been
impossible for Arago.

"In 1818 Arago found that the refraction of a prism for star light was the
same for light incident in the direction of the earth's orbital velocity v
as for that coming in the opposite direction".

The orbital speed is about 30 km/s. Todays radio methods are adequate for
0.5 and for 30.

Of course the above figures are only true for light coming directly at the
observer ie on the horizon, so for other angles there is a Cos Theta term
to reduce the effect even more (to zero directly overhead).

The rotational speed was too small for everybody till 1925. In this year the
Michelson and Gale detected the Earth's rotation.. But nobody detect the
orbital speed.

The same is with the spacecrafts. The diurnal effect is confirmed. I am
looking for the annual effect.
S*
S*