Henry, the trouble is nobody can understand your questions. This is because
a "conjugate match" is not relevant. And that's because the internal
impedance of the transmitter is an unknown quantity.

The sole purpose of the so-called SWR meter is to indicate whether or not
transmitter is loaded with 50 ohms.

Can anyone suggest what else it USEFULLY indicates? What else does anyone
need to know?
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Reg, G4FGQ


"Henry Kolesnik" wrote
Not much but neither does much of this thread regarding my original query.
I hope someone that understands the question can answer in a way that my
feeble brain can comprehend. At least we're eliminating what's not the
answer.
73
Hank WD5JFR

"Reg Edwards" wrote in message
...
Cec et al, what have circulators, S-parameters, etc. to do with HF ?

My original question nor any subsequent questions included or even hinted
"conjugate match." SWR was not in the original question either but later as
it applies to ghosting or smearing transmitted TV pix. Again is it an open,
or short and if not what is it or can't it be explain becasue no one knows?
I guess may Sunday is a day of relaxation for minds that know!
73
Hank WD5JFR
"Reg Edwards" wrote in message
...
Henry, the trouble is nobody can understand your questions. This is
because
a "conjugate match" is not relevant. And that's because the internal
impedance of the transmitter is an unknown quantity.

The sole purpose of the so-called SWR meter is to indicate whether or not
transmitter is loaded with 50 ohms.

Can anyone suggest what else it USEFULLY indicates? What else does anyone
need to know?
----
Reg, G4FGQ


"Henry Kolesnik" wrote
Not much but neither does much of this thread regarding my original
query.
I hope someone that understands the question can answer in a way that my
feeble brain can comprehend. At least we're eliminating what's not the
answer.
73
Hank WD5JFR

"Reg Edwards" wrote in message
...
Cec et al, what have circulators, S-parameters, etc. to do with HF ?

Henry Kolesnik wrote:
... can't it be explained because no one knows?

So far, it cannot be proven one way or another, so I guess
you would be safe in assuming that "no one knows for sure".
There are many opinions, none of which can be proven (yet).
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Sorry Henry. I confused your query with what's going on in another thread.

Short circuits and open circuits result in reflection coefficients of -1 and
+1 respectively.
----
Reg

Reg Edwards wrote:
Can anyone suggest what else it USEFULLY indicates?

It usefully indicates the vector sum of two voltages
proportional to the net voltage and net current. It
also usefully indicates the vector difference of the
two voltages proportional to the net voltage and net
current. Those are extremely useful indications for
the initiated. I agree it is not very useful for the
uninitiated. I trust that doesn't include you.
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It usefully indicates the vector sum of two voltages
proportional to the net voltage and net current. It
also usefully indicates the vector difference of the
two voltages proportional to the net voltage and net
current. Those are extremely useful indications for
the initiated. I agree it is not very useful for the
uninitiated. I trust that doesn't include you.
--
73, Cecil


An SWR meter does NOT usefully indicate the vector sum of two voltages or
the vector difference between two voltages. I've never seen a meter with
such scales.

Even if it did, of what possible use would it be to anyone who is already
reliably informed his transmitter is loaded with 50 ohms.
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Reg, G4FGQ

Reg Edwards wrote:
An SWR meter does NOT usefully indicate the vector sum of two voltages or
the vector difference between two voltages. I've never seen a meter with
such scales.

That's the way a Bird wattmeter works. The vector sum of two
voltages is the forward power on the scale. The vector difference
of those same two voltages is the reflected power on the scale.
One voltage is proportional to the net voltage. The other voltage
is proportional to the net current.

Even if it did, of what possible use would it be to anyone who is already
reliably informed his transmitter is loaded with 50 ohms.

In addition to my 50 ohm SWR meter, I have 450 ohm and 300 ohm
SWR meters, Reg. They indicate the forward/reflected powers and
SWR on the antenna side of the tuner which I find most helpful.
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