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"Szczepan Bialek" wrote in message
.. .
But is the another phenomenon. The Luxembourg effect.
The dipole radiate the doubled frequency.
S*

Ah yes - the famous "is it a dipole or is it a dipole?" test. Of course,
it wouldn't discriminate between a dipole and a yagi (staggered or
phased?)

Luxembourg effect? Harmonics?

Harmonics are in string, plate, piano box etc.

Pendelum and LC circuit have the one frequency only.

LW from the dipole mast were (and are) received on MW receivers at exactly
doubled frequency.
S*


Yup. Harmonics. The Luxembourg effect was cross-modulation. I'd completely
forgotten about it.

Was it a dipole or was it a dipole?

Regards, Ian

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On Fri, 1 Jun 2012 13:16:33 -0700, "Sal M. O'Nella"
wrote:

There is real math (imagine that!) to address the notion of "stealing power
from a nearby transmitter." Free-space attenuation is given by the formula
20 log Rf + 37dB, where R is the range in Nautical Miles and f is the
frequency in MHz.

I beg to differ and hair split. The free space attenuation formula
works nicely at a distance of about 1 wavelength or more away from the
antenna. However, at the broadcast band wavelength of about 300
meters (about 1000ft), any attempt to steal power will probably
require near field calculations, or perhaps just transformer action.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near_and_far_field

Next best bet: Get within 500 feet of a 50KW AM station, say KFI, AM-640 or
KBOI, AM-670.

RF safety exposure limits at 500ft for a 50KW AM station and 0dBi
antenna gain, yields about 1.5 mw/cm2. The safe limit is 100mw/cm2.
http://kb9mwr.dyndns.org/n9zia/rfsafety.main.cgi
Therefore, it is safe to approach the antenna without fear of having
your brain morph into Mr. Bialek. At about 60ft is becomes officially
unsafe.

Per the formula, the coupling loss will be about 13 dB,
making 2500 watts of power available to you at that location. However, to
realize that power, you need an antenna with near unity gain at that
frequency. Any guesses as to how much they cost? Try $Millions. (It's
called a 600-foot tower.) Much better to call your local utility and tell
them how much you appreciate their service. Resolve to be more realistic
about power-robbing schemes.

Technology to the rescue. Once upon a time in the 1960's, I lived in
Smog Angeles and worked part time next to an AM station. Surrounding
the antenna was the requisite chain link security fence, which had
several gaps in the fence for access gates. If one of the gates was
left open, forming a 1 turn coil, I could draw a small arc across the
gap with a clip lead. I wanted to fake an electrocution by bridging a
gate with both arms, but chickened out. When the station personnel
found out what us juvenile delinquents were doing, they promptly
buried a wire across each gate to short out the gaps, and changed the
locks on the gates.

Incidentally, locating the Gertsch/Singer (manufacturer of
communications service monitors) factory next to an AM broadcast
station (I forgot the call sign) in LA was not a great idea.

COMING NEXT ON THE POWER ROBBER CHANNEL: Tap into your neighbor's garden
lights -- it's easy!

Yech... The next revolution in home alternative energy will be the
nuclear powered underground water heater and the solar powered steam
plant. Dispose of hot nuclear waste and run your water heater at the
same time. If you do the math, solar steam power is cheaper and more
efficient than solar cells.

Somewhat more seriously, I've been reading about nantennas for solar
power. With 85% theoretical efficiency, it sure looks promising.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nantenna
http://www.inl.gov/pdfs/nantenna.pdf
Maybe there's a place for RF engineers in alternative energy. All I
need to do is build a 3,000GHz antenna farm and find a diode that
works at that frequency.

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

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On Thu, 31 May 2012 17:21:22 +0200, "Szczepan Bialek"
wrote:

But I hope that you understand that 19th century physics and 21st century
are the same.
In the 20th the all was a top secret.

It wasn't called physics back then. It was "natural philosophy".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_philosophy

Back then, to give one a "physic" was to administer a cathartic and
force regurgitation:
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/physic
That's fairly close to what I feel when reading your claims and
distortions.

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

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Szczepan Bialek wrote:

Do you think that in air no field electron emission?
S*

You don't have the slightest clue what the term "field electron emission"
means and keep using it in the most inappropriate of situations.

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Szczepan Bialek wrote:

"Ian" napisa? w wiadomo?ci
...
"Szczepan Bialek" wrote in message
...
All fundamentals were invented in XIX by Faraday, Stokes, Lorenz and
Tesla.

Galileo, Copernicus, Ptolemy. All known that the planets orbit the Sun.
But the teaching program "said" the "the Sun orbits the Earth."
S*
Nothing invented in the 20th century? Nuclear weapons, the Internet,
String
Theory?

Fundamentals of radio.

Ptolemy chose the earth centric model.

Today astronomers do the same. The Sun is too hot to make the measurements
from it.

Copernicus disproved it and developed the sun centric model. Galileo was
somewhat unpopular with the church for supporting the earth centric model.

Copernicus and Galileo were trying to change the teaching program.

The same is now.
It is time to replace the EM by Heaviside with Ampere electrodynamics.
S*

100% pure, incoherent, babble of an ignorant idiot.

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Szczepan Bialek wrote:

"Sal M. O'Nella" napisa? w wiadomo?ci
...

"Rob" wrote in message
...
Ian wrote:
"John" wrote in message
. au...
Its why you should never leave a powerpoint switched on. You end up
with a
heap of electrons on the floor.
And a hole under the neutral hole.

Not if you leave a plug in the socket. That'll stop the electrons.
What about the neutrons, protons and croutons?

Croutons are especially nasty when they end up on the floor...

The commercial power in my neighborhood has an asymmetric waveform. Some
of us have been saving the extra electrons on one-half-cycle.

The extra electrons flow into the ground. Like in your radios.
S*

There can't actually be a real person this blazingly, blindingly stupid.

Someone this stupid would be incapable of feeding and clothing himself.

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"Szczepan Bialek" wrote in message
...

Ptolemy chose the earth centric model.

Today astronomers do the same. The Sun is too hot to make the measurements
from it.

Oh dear - no. Astronomers to-day know that the earth orbits around the sun.
It is incorrect to say that "the sun is too hot to make the measurements".
Scientists make plenty of observations of the sun (sunspots, CME and so on).

Regards, Ian.

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"Jeff Liebermann" napisal w wiadomosci
...

Somewhat more seriously, I've been reading about nantennas for solar
power. With 85% theoretical efficiency, it sure looks promising.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nantenna
http://www.inl.gov/pdfs/nantenna.pdf
Maybe there's a place for RF engineers in alternative energy. All I
need to do is build a 3,000GHz antenna farm and find a diode that
works at that frequency.

The principle of nantenas is the same as the crystal radio.
The size of the antenna must be below 1/2 WL.

For RF each diode is O.K.

The question is if the electrons flow into the ground.

Do you know the answer?
S*

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"Jeff" napisal w wiadomosci
...


But is the another phenomenon. The Luxembourg effect.
The dipole radiate the doubled frequency.
S*

That is NOT the Luxembourg Effect. The Luxembourg effect is/was cross
modulation of 2 stations due to non-linearities in the atmosphere.

It is an explanation.
The Luxembourg effect WAS the receiving of LW from Luxembourg mast on the MW
receivers tuned to the doubled frequency..
S*

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U¿ytkownik "Ian" napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci
...
"Szczepan Bialek" wrote in message
...

Ptolemy chose the earth centric model.

Today astronomers do the same. The Sun is too hot to make the
measurements from it.

Oh dear - no. Astronomers to-day know that the earth orbits around the
sun.
It is incorrect to say that "the sun is too hot to make the measurements".
Scientists make plenty of observations of the sun (sunspots, CME and so
on).

All measurements were, are, and will be done from the Earth.

"Ptolemy chose the earth centric model" means that all measurements must be
done from the Earth.
All astronomers before Ptolemy (and he) known that the planets orbit the
Sun.
S*

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Szczepan Bialek wrote:

"Jeff Liebermann" napisal w wiadomosci
...

Somewhat more seriously, I've been reading about nantennas for solar
power. With 85% theoretical efficiency, it sure looks promising.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nantenna
http://www.inl.gov/pdfs/nantenna.pdf
Maybe there's a place for RF engineers in alternative energy. All I
need to do is build a 3,000GHz antenna farm and find a diode that
works at that frequency.

The principle of nantenas is the same as the crystal radio.

Not quite.

The size of the antenna must be below 1/2 WL.

Nope.

For RF each diode is O.K.

Babble.

The question is if the electrons flow into the ground.

The question is if you can tie your own shoes.

Do you know the answer?

Yes, most all of us know the answers.

It is only you that is totally lost in babbling nonsense.

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Szczepan Bialek wrote:

"Jeff" napisal w wiadomosci
...


But is the another phenomenon. The Luxembourg effect.
The dipole radiate the doubled frequency.
S*

That is NOT the Luxembourg Effect. The Luxembourg effect is/was cross
modulation of 2 stations due to non-linearities in the atmosphere.

It is an explanation.
The Luxembourg effect WAS the receiving of LW from Luxembourg mast on the MW
receivers tuned to the doubled frequency..
S*

The effect has nothing what so ever to do with antennas.

You are an idiot.

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"Szczepan Bialek" wrote in message
...


"Ptolemy chose the earth centric model" means that all measurements must
be done from the Earth.
All astronomers before Ptolemy (and he) known that the planets orbit the
Sun.
S*

Oops - no. Ptolemy's earth centric model meant that the sun and other
planets orbited the sun.

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"Szczepan Bialek" wrote in message
.. .

"Jeff" napisal w wiadomosci
...


But is the another phenomenon. The Luxembourg effect.
The dipole radiate the doubled frequency.
S*

That is NOT the Luxembourg Effect. The Luxembourg effect is/was cross
modulation of 2 stations due to non-linearities in the atmosphere.

It is an explanation.
The Luxembourg effect WAS the receiving of LW from Luxembourg mast on the
MW receivers tuned to the doubled frequency..
S*

Ah - so Wikipedia is incorrect. It reads " ... Luxemburg-Gorky effect is a
phenomenon of cross modulation between two radio waves ... ".

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Szczepan Bialek wrote:

U?ytkownik "Ian" napisa? w wiadomo?ci
...
"Szczepan Bialek" wrote in message
...

Ptolemy chose the earth centric model.

Today astronomers do the same. The Sun is too hot to make the
measurements from it.

Oh dear - no. Astronomers to-day know that the earth orbits around the
sun.
It is incorrect to say that "the sun is too hot to make the measurements".
Scientists make plenty of observations of the sun (sunspots, CME and so
on).

All measurements were, are, and will be done from the Earth.

This idiot is so blindingly stupid he doesn't know we now have space craft
and automated measuring devices.

One wonders if he gets around his village on horseback.

Nah, he's too stupid to be able to ride something as smart as a horse.

Maybe a goat cart if someone else hooks up the goat for him and steers.

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On Sat, 2 Jun 2012 19:51:48 +0200, "Szczepan Bialek"
wrote:

The principle of nantenas is the same as the crystal radio.
The size of the antenna must be below 1/2 WL.

Please read the PDF I included. The length of the dipole can be any
multiple of 1/2 wavelength. It can also be a loop antenna. What's
critical is the spacing between the antenna and the underlying ground
plane, which form a resonant cavity at optical frequencies.

For RF each diode is O.K.

Please read the Wikipedia article:
The large loss in power is a result of the junction
capacitance (also known as parasitic capacitance) found
in p-n junction diodes and Schottky diodes, which can
only operate effectively at frequencies less than 5 THz.[3]
The ideal wavelengths of 0.4-1.6 um correspond to
frequencies of approximately 190-750 THz, which is much
larger than the capabilities of typical diodes. etc...
This isn't going to work with ordinary diodes.

The question is if the electrons flow into the ground.

Nope. The question is whether there are any electrons involved. There
are none.

Do you know the answer?

Yes... I know everything. If you unable to form a suitable opinion, I
would be happy to supply one for you.

Everyone constantly repeating that there are no electrons falling to
the ground or spewn into the air doesn't seem to have much of an
effect on you. You are also apparently incapable of answering my
question (multiple times). I see no indication that you have read,
much less understand, any of the references and explanations supplied
for your benefit. You are therefore hopeless and a waste of time.

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

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On Sat, 2 Jun 2012 18:29:39 -0000, wrote:

Maybe a goat cart if someone else hooks up the goat for him and steers.

Amazing what can be found with Google:
http://www.durabletoys.com/product_images/uploaded_images/gregory-and-goat-cart-2004.jpg

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

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On 6/2/2012 3:09 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci

My guess is that the quote from Wiki relates to vacuum tubes. Ah yes, it
does. Shall we put the farmer's barn into a large vacuum?

" He also used Geissler tubes"

Do you think that in air no field electron emission?
S*



None, zero, zip, nada.

You are wrong, incorrect, ignorant, off base. clueless, etc.

tom
K0TAR

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On 6/2/2012 12:51 PM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
"Jeff napisal w wiadomosci
...

Somewhat more seriously, I've been reading about nantennas for solar
power. With 85% theoretical efficiency, it sure looks promising.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nantenna
http://www.inl.gov/pdfs/nantenna.pdf
Maybe there's a place for RF engineers in alternative energy. All I
need to do is build a 3,000GHz antenna farm and find a diode that
works at that frequency.

The principle of nantenas is the same as the crystal radio.
The size of the antenna must be below 1/2 WL.

For RF each diode is O.K.

The question is if the electrons flow into the ground.

Do you know the answer?
S*



Yes I know the answer.

No.

tom
K0TAR

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On 6/2/2012 12:58 PM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
napisal w wiadomosci
...


But is the another phenomenon. The Luxembourg effect.
The dipole radiate the doubled frequency.
S*

That is NOT the Luxembourg Effect. The Luxembourg effect is/was cross
modulation of 2 stations due to non-linearities in the atmosphere.

It is an explanation.
The Luxembourg effect WAS the receiving of LW from Luxembourg mast on the MW
receivers tuned to the doubled frequency..
S*



What a maroon.

tom
K0TAR

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On 6/2/2012 1:04 PM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
U¿ytkownik napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci
...
"Szczepan wrote in message
...

Ptolemy chose the earth centric model.

Today astronomers do the same. The Sun is too hot to make the
measurements from it.

Oh dear - no. Astronomers to-day know that the earth orbits around the
sun.
It is incorrect to say that "the sun is too hot to make the measurements".
Scientists make plenty of observations of the sun (sunspots, CME and so
on).

All measurements were, are, and will be done from the Earth.

"Ptolemy chose the earth centric model" means that all measurements must be
done from the Earth.
All astronomers before Ptolemy (and he) known that the planets orbit the
Sun.
S*



I love how your replies often have nothing to do with the subject, like now.

You really are a moron.

tom
K0TAR

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Trying to straighten this guy out is about as productive
as teaching chickens to appreciate Mozart!

Irv VE6BP

"tom" wrote in message
. net...
On 6/2/2012 12:58 PM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
napisal w wiadomosci
...


But is the another phenomenon. The Luxembourg effect.
The dipole radiate the doubled frequency.
S*

That is NOT the Luxembourg Effect. The Luxembourg effect is/was cross
modulation of 2 stations due to non-linearities in the atmosphere.

It is an explanation.
The Luxembourg effect WAS the receiving of LW from Luxembourg mast on the
MW
receivers tuned to the doubled frequency..
S*



What a maroon.

tom
K0TAR

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"Irv Finkleman" wrote in message
...
Trying to straighten this guy out is about as productive
as teaching chickens to appreciate Mozart!

Irv VE6BP

.... and a cluck is involved either way.

"Sal"

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On 6/2/2012 10:02 PM, Irv Finkleman wrote:
Trying to straighten this guy out is about as productive
as teaching chickens to appreciate Mozart!

Irv VE6BP

Dunno.. You are being pretty hard on the chickens.. :/
Heck, I saw chickens and ducks playing the piano at the I.Q.
Zoo in Hot Springs AR several years ago. :|

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"Jeff" napisal w wiadomosci
...
On 02/06/2012 18:58, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
napisal w wiadomosci
...


But is the another phenomenon. The Luxembourg effect.
The dipole radiate the doubled frequency.
S*

That is NOT the Luxembourg Effect. The Luxembourg effect is/was cross
modulation of 2 stations due to non-linearities in the atmosphere.

It is an explanation.
The Luxembourg effect WAS the receiving of LW from Luxembourg mast on the
MW
receivers tuned to the doubled frequency..
S*



No it wasn't, it was receiving the audio from Radio Luxembourg, whilst
tuned to and receiving another MW station (not at twice the frequency).

In 1933 newspaper was wrote that exactly twice.

That is you heard both stations simultaneously. This is nothing to do with
harmonics at twice the frequency, it is a phenomenon known as cross
modulation.

Is the cross modulation if the LW are from the monopole antenna?
S*

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"Jeff Liebermann" napisal w wiadomosci
...
On Sat, 2 Jun 2012 19:51:48 +0200, "Szczepan Bialek"
wrote:

The principle of nantenas is the same as the crystal radio.
The size of the antenna must be below 1/2 WL.

Please read the PDF I included. The length of the dipole can be any
multiple of 1/2 wavelength. It can also be a loop antenna. What's
critical is the spacing between the antenna and the underlying ground
plane, which form a resonant cavity at optical frequencies.

For RF each diode is O.K.

Please read the Wikipedia article:
The large loss in power is a result of the junction
capacitance (also known as parasitic capacitance) found
in p-n junction diodes and Schottky diodes, which can
only operate effectively at frequencies less than 5 THz.[3]
The ideal wavelengths of 0.4-1.6 um correspond to
frequencies of approximately 190-750 THz, which is much
larger than the capabilities of typical diodes. etc...
This isn't going to work with ordinary diodes.

RF = radio frequency.

The question is if the electrons flow into the ground.

Nope. The question is whether there are any electrons involved. There
are none.

"The simplest crystal radio receiver, employing an antenna and a
demodulating diode (rectifier), is actually a rectenna - although it
discards the DC component before sending the signal to the earphones. People
living near strong radio transmitters would occasionally discover that with
a long receiving antenna, they could get enough electric power to light a
light bulb"

Where the DC component is discard?
What is the DC component made of?

Do you know the answer?

Yes... I know everything. If you unable to form a suitable opinion, I
would be happy to supply one for you.

Everyone constantly repeating that there are no electrons falling to
the ground or spewn into the air doesn't seem to have much of an
effect on you. You are also apparently incapable of answering my
question (multiple times). I see no indication that you have read,
much less understand, any of the references and explanations supplied
for your benefit. You are therefore hopeless and a waste of time.

"The electrical grid, which is normally three-phase AC, can be severely
disrupted by the presence of a large DC bias. This is caused by strong solar
flares hitting the Earth's atmosphere,(Even pipelines, such as the mostly
above-groundAlaska Pipeline, are prone to this, and must be tied to
electrical ground".

Now you are only one. Two days ago Jimp wrote:
"It has been explained to you several times that any electron emmission
from the ends of an antenna is an abnormal situation, is NOT required
for antenna operation, and is an independant phenomena of normal antenna
operation."

So we have done the first step: "electrons falling to the ground or spewn
into the air" are the abnormal situations".

The next step will be "L. Lorenz is right".
S*

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Szczepan Bialek wrote:

"The electrical grid, which is normally three-phase AC, can be severely
disrupted by the presence of a large DC bias. This is caused by strong solar
flares hitting the Earth's atmosphere,(Even pipelines, such as the mostly
above-groundAlaska Pipeline, are prone to this, and must be tied to
electrical ground".

The electrical grid has nothing to do with antennas and the structures
being discussed are usually miles long in size.

There are no antennas miles long in size.

Now you are only one. Two days ago Jimp wrote:
"It has been explained to you several times that any electron emmission
from the ends of an antenna is an abnormal situation, is NOT required
for antenna operation, and is an independant phenomena of normal antenna
operation."

So we have done the first step: "electrons falling to the ground or spewn
into the air" are the abnormal situations".

No, we do not.

Even in a solar flare there are no "electrons falling to the ground or
spewn into the air".

Solar flare effects at ground level are magnetic effects.

The next step will be "L. Lorenz is right".
S*

The next step should be to get you into a mental hospital.

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Szczepan Bialek wrote:

"Jeff" napisal w wiadomosci
...
On 02/06/2012 18:58, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
napisal w wiadomosci
...


But is the another phenomenon. The Luxembourg effect.
The dipole radiate the doubled frequency.
S*

That is NOT the Luxembourg Effect. The Luxembourg effect is/was cross
modulation of 2 stations due to non-linearities in the atmosphere.

It is an explanation.
The Luxembourg effect WAS the receiving of LW from Luxembourg mast on the
MW
receivers tuned to the doubled frequency..
S*



No it wasn't, it was receiving the audio from Radio Luxembourg, whilst
tuned to and receiving another MW station (not at twice the frequency).

In 1933 newspaper was wrote that exactly twice.

And like many of your other ancient references, it was wrong.

There is no relationship to the frequencies.

That is you heard both stations simultaneously. This is nothing to do with
harmonics at twice the frequency, it is a phenomenon known as cross
modulation.

Is the cross modulation if the LW are from the monopole antenna?

Cross modulation has absolutely nothing to do with antennas.

It is an effect caused by a perturbed region of the ionosphere far from
the antennas.

You are a babbling idiot.

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"Jeff" napisal w wiadomosci
...

No it wasn't, it was receiving the audio from Radio Luxembourg, whilst
tuned to and receiving another MW station (not at twice the frequency).

In 1933 newspaper was wrote that exactly twice.

That is you heard both stations simultaneously. This is nothing to do
with
harmonics at twice the frequency, it is a phenomenon known as cross
modulation.

Is the cross modulation if the LW are from the monopole antenna?
S*


I don not understand what you are trying to ask, The Luxembourg effect wa
son MW not LW, and it has nothing to do with antennas, it is mixing in the
ionosphere of 2 signals.

"In 1933, Radio Luxembourg opened a 200 kW long wave transmitter,
broadcasting in English from the Grand Duchy in the afternoons and
evenings."
From: http://frequencyfinder.org.uk/trans_hist1.html

It was a dipole mast. The same was in Warsaw . The same effect was observed
(the LW were received on radio set as MW).
Now is a 1/4 WL mast and no the effect.
S*

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Szczepan Bialek wrote:

"Jeff" napisal w wiadomosci
...

No it wasn't, it was receiving the audio from Radio Luxembourg, whilst
tuned to and receiving another MW station (not at twice the frequency).

In 1933 newspaper was wrote that exactly twice.

That is you heard both stations simultaneously. This is nothing to do
with
harmonics at twice the frequency, it is a phenomenon known as cross
modulation.

Is the cross modulation if the LW are from the monopole antenna?
S*


I don not understand what you are trying to ask, The Luxembourg effect wa
son MW not LW, and it has nothing to do with antennas, it is mixing in the
ionosphere of 2 signals.

"In 1933, Radio Luxembourg opened a 200 kW long wave transmitter,
broadcasting in English from the Grand Duchy in the afternoons and
evenings."
From: http://frequencyfinder.org.uk/trans_hist1.html

And the LW station caused cross modulation of a MW station, resulting
in the LW station being heard at the same time as the MW station on
the MW station frequency.

It was a dipole mast. The same was in Warsaw . The same effect was observed
(the LW were received on radio set as MW).
Now is a 1/4 WL mast and no the effect.

Incoherent, meaningles babble.

The Luxembourg effect has nothing to do with antennas and happens in the
ionosphere.

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On Sun, 3 Jun 2012 17:03:12 -0000, wrote:

Solar flare effects at ground level are magnetic effects.

Thanks. There's an all too common misconception that the engergetic
charged particles produced by solar flares, solar storms, solar wind,
CME's, etc somehow land on the power lines, which then appears as a DC
voltage on the lines. That's not how it works at ground level. This
explains it better than I could:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomagnetically_induced_current


--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

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Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 3 Jun 2012 17:03:12 -0000, wrote:

Solar flare effects at ground level are magnetic effects.

Thanks. There's an all too common misconception that the engergetic
charged particles produced by solar flares, solar storms, solar wind,
CME's, etc somehow land on the power lines, which then appears as a DC
voltage on the lines. That's not how it works at ground level. This
explains it better than I could:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomagnetically_induced_current

I can almost guarantee our babbling Polish idiot believes that solar
produced particles make it through the atmosphere, which they do not.

All that energetic crap from space winds up being trapped by the air in the
upper atmosphere, ionizing the air from about 85 km to 600 km in altitude,
which is why the ionosphere exists.

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I did a search for our babbling Polish friend and the first thing I found
was a message posted to a Polish medical list where he claims all cancer
is a fungus and should be treated with Epsom salts.

Good to see he gets _some_ things right.

;-)
"Sal"

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napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci
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wrote:

I did a search for our babbling Polish friend and the first thing I found
was a message posted to a Polish medical list where he claims all cancer
is a fungus and should be treated with Epsom salts.

Not me:
I have informed that somebody wrote:
"" I read Dr Simoncini's (oncologist) site at
http://www.curenaturalicancro.com/ that basal cell is a candida fungus, in
fact he claims ALL cancer is a fungus, and he recommended tincture of iodine
2x per day onto the basal cell. I tried that and had a major clearing but
could not get the entire thing removed plus an iodine stain is not exactly
wonderful on your head! I then pursued the candida angle and read that
magnesium sulphate (Epsom Salts) saturated solution in water is deadly to
almost any fungus/yeast. Well, after 1 week of applying this it has sorted
out my basal cell and removed it completely. That stuff is dirt cheap and
works."

Before I have read that J. Schneider used the Epsom salt to cancer cure.

Do you know same examples of using the Epsom salt?
S*

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"Jeff Liebermann" napisal w wiadomosci
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On Sun, 3 Jun 2012 17:03:12 -0000, wrote:

Solar flare effects at ground level are magnetic effects.

Thanks. There's an all too common misconception that the engergetic
charged particles produced by solar flares, solar storms, solar wind,
CME's, etc somehow land on the power lines, which then appears as a DC
voltage on the lines. That's not how it works at ground level. This
explains it better than I could:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geomagnetically_induced_current

In the teaching program the stationary electron create the electric field.
The same electron during travel create the magnetic field.

So should be obvious for you that if you detect the magnetic field it means
that close to you is the electron flow.
No magnetic field without the electron flow.

In physics "magnetic effects" = electron flow.

If you detect the magnetic field it means that the electrons "land on the
power lines, which then appears as a DC voltage on the lines."

Faraday and Marconi did not go to schools.
Would be better the same for you.
S*

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Szczepan Bialek wrote:
Do you know same examples of using the Epsom salt?

Yes.

http://anaximperator.wordpress.com/2...2/sylvia-dies/

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"Szczepan Bialek" wrote in message
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Faraday and Marconi did not go to schools.
Would be better the same for you.
S*

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guglielmo_Marconi

" ... Marconi was educated privately in Bologna in the lab of Augusto
Righi, in Florence at the Istituto Cavallero and, later, in Livorno. As a
child Marconi did not do well in school ...".

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"Rob" napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci
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Szczepan Bialek wrote:
Do you know same examples of using the Epsom salt?

Yes.

http://anaximperator.wordpress.com/2...2/sylvia-dies/

Is about the sodium bicarbonate. Epsom salt is a magnesium sulfate:

Somebody wrote:
"I then pursued the candida angle and read that
magnesium sulphate (Epsom Salts) saturated solution in water is deadly to
almost any fungus/yeast. Well, after 1 week of applying this it has sorted
out my basal cell and removed it completely. That stuff is dirt cheap and
works."

Before I have read that J. Schneider used the Epsom salt to cancer cure.
S*

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Szczepan Bialek wrote:

napisa? w wiadomo?ci
...
wrote:

I did a search for our babbling Polish friend and the first thing I found
was a message posted to a Polish medical list where he claims all cancer
is a fungus and should be treated with Epsom salts.

Not me:
I have informed that somebody wrote:
"" I read Dr Simoncini's (oncologist) site at
http://www.curenaturalicancro.com/ that basal cell is a candida fungus, in
fact he claims ALL cancer is a fungus, and he recommended tincture of iodine
2x per day onto the basal cell. I tried that and had a major clearing but
could not get the entire thing removed plus an iodine stain is not exactly
wonderful on your head! I then pursued the candida angle and read that
magnesium sulphate (Epsom Salts) saturated solution in water is deadly to
almost any fungus/yeast. Well, after 1 week of applying this it has sorted
out my basal cell and removed it completely. That stuff is dirt cheap and
works."

Before I have read that J. Schneider used the Epsom salt to cancer cure.

Do you know same examples of using the Epsom salt?
S*

Yeah, sore feet.