yea right wrote:
Unfortunately, everybody knows that BPL will hinder HF.

Will it hinder coherent CW and PACTOR II?
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp



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Cecil Moore wrote in message ...
yea right wrote:
Unfortunately, everybody knows that BPL will hinder HF.

Will it hinder coherent CW and PACTOR II?

Fill the gas tank and wine cooler and take an HF mobile rig into a BPL
"test area" and tune around like I did and come to your own
conclusions Cecil. My direct experience with the stuff clearly
indicates the utter destruction of HF radio within large radii
anywhere it's deployed.

Luv the "we need to cooperate . . yadda, yadda, with the power
utilities . . yadda, yadda . ." sugestions. Yeah right: I've also
"interfaced" with a power utility or two in my time on the general
topic of "Broadband RF interference: . . Might as well have tried to
cut "mitigation" deals with Al Queda.

The good news however is that it's basically an artifact technolgy,
it's time will never come. In the meanwhile we have to keep leaning on
the sumbitches so keep shipping monies into the ARRL Spectrum Defense
Fund.

w3rv

BPL - impact on radio communications
As tests and any sort of technical common sense would make obvious,
broadband transmissions on miles of unshielded power lines will create havoc
with the reception of micro-volt level radio communication signals. The
concept is pure nonsense to anyone with a technical background. My BSEE
(with communications specialization) and top FCC commercial and amateur
radio licenses does not make me a great expert, but anyone with a
comprehension of radio transmission and reception knows that the BPL concept
does not work, unless basic MF & HF radio is sacrificed. BPL is a poorly
thought out concept, with the unlikely potential for profit driving this
otherwise unfathomable concept. Please get some honest technical input
before allowing this BPL debacle to continue.
Sincerely, AK

"yea right" wrote in message
news
If you value radio, this may be the last and only chance to have your
voice heard to stop BPL from destroying your hobby. The FCC has extended
the comment period for BPL.

It is VERY simple to file a FCC comment. Click the link below and enter

03-104

in box #1 (proceeding number) and fill in the blanks. The simplest way to
comment is to type your comment into the box on the bottom of the form.

http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi


If you can't think of any thing to type or wish to make this as painless
as possible, you can cut-n-paste the comment I typed below.

Thanks for the info & the FCC link. AK

On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 19:47:48 GMT, "AK" wrote:

BPL - impact on radio communications
As tests and any sort of technical common sense would make obvious,
broadband transmissions on miles of unshielded power lines will create havoc
with the reception of micro-volt level radio communication signals. The
concept is pure nonsense to anyone with a technical background. My BSEE
(with communications specialization) and top FCC commercial and amateur
radio licenses does not make me a great expert, but anyone with a
comprehension of radio transmission and reception knows that the BPL concept
does not work, unless basic MF & HF radio is sacrificed. BPL is a poorly
thought out concept, with the unlikely potential for profit driving this
otherwise unfathomable concept. Please get some honest technical input
before allowing this BPL debacle to continue.
Sincerely, AK

Nice letter, but it will fall on deaf ears -- FCC head Michael Powell
is a cheerleader for BPL.

My suggestion: vote for John Kerry on Nov. 2nd. Kerry does not like
Powell. Powell will be out. And we can start afresh with a new FCC
head, one who might worry more about the consequences of BPL than this
business-friendly administration ever will.

Bob
k5qwg


"yea right" wrote in message
news
If you value radio, this may be the last and only chance to have your
voice heard to stop BPL from destroying your hobby. The FCC has extended
the comment period for BPL.

It is VERY simple to file a FCC comment. Click the link below and enter

03-104

in box #1 (proceeding number) and fill in the blanks. The simplest way to
comment is to type your comment into the box on the bottom of the form.

http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi


If you can't think of any thing to type or wish to make this as painless
as possible, you can cut-n-paste the comment I typed below.

Thanks for the info & the FCC link. AK

"Bob Miller" wrote in message
...

Nice letter, but it will fall on deaf ears -- FCC head Michael Powell
is a cheerleader for BPL.

Sadly, I am aware of that. Either he's been paid off, or the people pulling
his strings have been paid off by the power company special interest reps.
My "but anyone with a comprehension of radio transmission and reception
knows that the BPL concept does not work" and "unfathomable concept"
comments were certainly directed Powell's way. Oh for the good ol' days when
at least one or two of the FCC Commissioners were ex-FCC field engineers who
understood something about the medium they were supposed to be in charge of.

AK

On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 00:06:30 GMT, "AK" wrote:


"Bob Miller" wrote in message
.. .

Nice letter, but it will fall on deaf ears -- FCC head Michael Powell
is a cheerleader for BPL.

Sadly, I am aware of that. Either he's been paid off, or the people pulling
his strings have been paid off by the power company special interest reps.

When Powell travels to industry functions/conventions, his hotel
room/suite is usually paid for by broadcast reps. He hangs out with
them, parties with them. As an attorney, he used to represent media
conglomerates. His preferences are well known.

Bob
k5qwg


My "but anyone with a comprehension of radio transmission and reception
knows that the BPL concept does not work" and "unfathomable concept"
comments were certainly directed Powell's way. Oh for the good ol' days when
at least one or two of the FCC Commissioners were ex-FCC field engineers who
understood something about the medium they were supposed to be in charge of.

AK

Bob,

I have to give that a very big "but we don't know that".

As a non-attorney, guess what I'd like to say.

tom
K0TAR

Bob Miller wrote:


When Powell travels to industry functions/conventions, his hotel
room/suite is usually paid for by broadcast reps. He hangs out with
them, parties with them. As an attorney, he used to represent media
conglomerates. His preferences are well known.

Bob
k5qwg

"AK" wrote in message
news:awsxc.17938$4S5.15367@attbi_s52...


Sadly, I am aware of that. Either he's been paid off, or the people
pulling
his strings have been paid off by the power company special interest reps.
My "but anyone with a comprehension of radio transmission and reception
knows that the BPL concept does not work" and "unfathomable concept"
comments were certainly directed Powell's way. Oh for the good ol' days
when
at least one or two of the FCC Commissioners were ex-FCC field engineers
who
understood something about the medium they were supposed to be in charge
of.

AK



Great. If BPL is unworkable, let it fail in the marketplace. Do you really
think any politician will vote to preempt a failure? Let's say politician A
blocks BPL. Politician B says "Mr. A wants to restrict your freedom to
choose! I say every American has the God given right to pick which ever
high speed internet access plan he can get!!" Then sleazeball campaigner B
starts a whispering campaign -- "Who's pocket is A in? The phone company's?
The cable company's? The satellite company's? All of them? Well, there
must be some reason he wants to restrict your freedom!!" The upcoming
election might be close, and nobody is going to restrict "Freedom" this
year.

Note that I used the non-partisan terms A and B to describe the politicians.
I know there people around who think one party or another is the Repository
of Morality and the other is the Heart of Evil, but I ain't one of 'em.

Frank Dresser

"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
...

"AK" wrote in message
news:awsxc.17938$4S5.15367@attbi_s52...


Sadly, I am aware of that. Either he's been paid off, or the people
pulling
his strings have been paid off by the power company special interest
reps.
My "but anyone with a comprehension of radio transmission and reception
knows that the BPL concept does not work" and "unfathomable concept"
comments were certainly directed Powell's way. Oh for the good ol' days
when
at least one or two of the FCC Commissioners were ex-FCC field engineers
who
understood something about the medium they were supposed to be in charge
of.

AK



Great. If BPL is unworkable, let it fail in the marketplace.

That's one of those nonsense comments that sounds good, but doesn't work.
Once "the marketplace" gets tested, amateur radio and most of the other
users of HF and MF radio reception will be out of business - never to bounce
back once destroyed. Meanwhile, BPL will be "workable" for those areas that
never had good cable access and where people were too cheap to use satellite
or telephone alternatives. BPL isn't "unworkable" - it's the "unreasonable"
sacrifices that must be made to allow nationwide radio spectrum disruption
for some trivial gain to a few people and a few big businesses.

Do you really
think any politician will vote to preempt a failure? Let's say politician
A
blocks BPL. Politician B says "Mr. A wants to restrict your freedom to
choose! I say every American has the God given right to pick which ever
high speed internet access plan he can get!!"

You must be that same guy that thought he had a God given right to dump
whatever he wanted into the Nashua river when I lived along it. His
corporate garbage killed all the fish and stunk-up the river for the rest of
the world, but using the river for his personal dumping ground was his
"right"! Some good ol' New England Yankee took on this
"my-rights-over-everyone-else" guy by paying a cement truck to dump a full
load of concrete in the guy's drainage canal to the river. The sheriff was
called, saw what was done, heard why it was done, and went home without
issuing any citation. Too bad that a load of concrete won't stop BPL.

ak

FCC Comm. have terms,
half are dem and other half are rep.

Powell will be there for a while.
He has connections.



Bob Miller wrote:

On Tue, 08 Jun 2004 19:47:48 GMT, "AK" wrote:

BPL - impact on radio communications
As tests and any sort of technical common sense would make obvious,
broadband transmissions on miles of unshielded power lines will create havoc
with the reception of micro-volt level radio communication signals. The
concept is pure nonsense to anyone with a technical background. My BSEE
(with communications specialization) and top FCC commercial and amateur
radio licenses does not make me a great expert, but anyone with a
comprehension of radio transmission and reception knows that the BPL concept
does not work, unless basic MF & HF radio is sacrificed. BPL is a poorly
thought out concept, with the unlikely potential for profit driving this
otherwise unfathomable concept. Please get some honest technical input
before allowing this BPL debacle to continue.
Sincerely, AK

Nice letter, but it will fall on deaf ears -- FCC head Michael Powell
is a cheerleader for BPL.

My suggestion: vote for John Kerry on Nov. 2nd. Kerry does not like
Powell. Powell will be out. And we can start afresh with a new FCC
head, one who might worry more about the consequences of BPL than this
business-friendly administration ever will.

Bob
k5qwg


"yea right" wrote in message
news
If you value radio, this may be the last and only chance to have your
voice heard to stop BPL from destroying your hobby. The FCC has extended
the comment period for BPL.

It is VERY simple to file a FCC comment. Click the link below and enter

03-104

in box #1 (proceeding number) and fill in the blanks. The simplest way to
comment is to type your comment into the box on the bottom of the form.

http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi


If you can't think of any thing to type or wish to make this as painless
as possible, you can cut-n-paste the comment I typed below.

Thanks for the info & the FCC link. AK