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Radiation from antennae - a new philosophy
On 10/9/2014 7:10 PM, rickman wrote:
On 10/9/2014 5:14 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 10/9/2014 1:04 PM, rickman wrote: The only mass a photon has is that which is equivalent to its energy, E = mc^2. I understand it has no rest math. But where does the mass come from? There has to be mass to exert pressure. Does the mass just appear from nowhere? I doubt it... Another question... when subatomic particles are created in pairs from energy, where does the mass come from? I have no idea - which is why I'm asking these questions. -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry, AI0K ================== |
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Radiation from antennae - a new philosophy
On 10/9/2014 9:17 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 10/9/2014 7:10 PM, rickman wrote: On 10/9/2014 5:14 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 10/9/2014 1:04 PM, rickman wrote: The only mass a photon has is that which is equivalent to its energy, E = mc^2. I understand it has no rest math. But where does the mass come from? There has to be mass to exert pressure. Does the mass just appear from nowhere? I doubt it... Another question... when subatomic particles are created in pairs from energy, where does the mass come from? I have no idea - which is why I'm asking these questions. Maybe you need to learn more about mass in general, including rest mass... a quote from wikipedia page on the Higgs Boson. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_b...entific_impact "about 99% of the mass of baryons (composite particles such as the proton and neutron) is due instead to the kinetic energy of quarks and to the energies of (massless) gluons of the strong interaction inside the baryons." Photons are not alone nor especially unique. -- Rick |
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Radiation from antennae - a new philosophy
On 10/9/2014 10:40 PM, rickman wrote:
On 10/9/2014 9:17 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 10/9/2014 7:10 PM, rickman wrote: On 10/9/2014 5:14 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 10/9/2014 1:04 PM, rickman wrote: The only mass a photon has is that which is equivalent to its energy, E = mc^2. I understand it has no rest math. But where does the mass come from? There has to be mass to exert pressure. Does the mass just appear from nowhere? I doubt it... Another question... when subatomic particles are created in pairs from energy, where does the mass come from? I have no idea - which is why I'm asking these questions. Maybe you need to learn more about mass in general, including rest mass... a quote from wikipedia page on the Higgs Boson. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_b...entific_impact "about 99% of the mass of baryons (composite particles such as the proton and neutron) is due instead to the kinetic energy of quarks and to the energies of (massless) gluons of the strong interaction inside the baryons." Photons are not alone nor especially unique. Yes, I'm familiar with baryons, the Higgs Boson, fermions, quarks and the like. But the quote from Wikipedia is not proven and is far from universally accepted. Many more physicists believe that mass comes from the interaction of subatomic particles with the Higgs field; no Higgs field, no mass. But they don't understand the details yet. Really - Wikipedia is NOT a good resource for this type of thing. -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry, AI0K ================== |
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Radiation from antennae - a new philosophy
On 10/9/2014 10:57 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 10/9/2014 10:40 PM, rickman wrote: On 10/9/2014 9:17 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 10/9/2014 7:10 PM, rickman wrote: On 10/9/2014 5:14 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 10/9/2014 1:04 PM, rickman wrote: The only mass a photon has is that which is equivalent to its energy, E = mc^2. I understand it has no rest math. But where does the mass come from? There has to be mass to exert pressure. Does the mass just appear from nowhere? I doubt it... Another question... when subatomic particles are created in pairs from energy, where does the mass come from? I have no idea - which is why I'm asking these questions. Maybe you need to learn more about mass in general, including rest mass... a quote from wikipedia page on the Higgs Boson. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_b...entific_impact "about 99% of the mass of baryons (composite particles such as the proton and neutron) is due instead to the kinetic energy of quarks and to the energies of (massless) gluons of the strong interaction inside the baryons." Photons are not alone nor especially unique. Yes, I'm familiar with baryons, the Higgs Boson, fermions, quarks and the like. But the quote from Wikipedia is not proven and is far from universally accepted. Many more physicists believe that mass comes from the interaction of subatomic particles with the Higgs field; no Higgs field, no mass. But they don't understand the details yet. Really - Wikipedia is NOT a good resource for this type of thing. Yes, it is far from perfect... but I think you misunderstand the issue with mass more than Wikipedia is wrong. The nice thing about Wikipedia is that it does provide references so you can follow the information back to the source... and yes, I have seen Wiki articles twist the information and in once case claimed the opposite of what the reference said. But in this case Wikipedia is not wrong... The Higgs field gives rise to the mass of elementary particles, most of them anyway. But the proton and neutron are not elementary particles... So don't compare apples and oranges. Do you get your mass from the Higgs field? I get mine from eating too much popcorn. From an interesting but long discussion of some of the issues... http://profmattstrassler.com/article...higgs-faq-2-0/ "Other things get their masses from sources other than the Higgs particle. The majority of the mass of an atom is its nucleus, not its lightweight electrons on the outside. And nuclei are made from protons and neutrons — bags of imprisoned or “confined” quarks, antiquarks and gluons. These quarks, antiquarks and gluons go roaring around inside their little prison at very high speeds, and the masses of the proton and neutron are as much due to those energies, and to the energy that is needed to trap the quarks etc. inside the bag, as it is due to the masses of the quarks and antiquarks contained within the bag. So the proton’s and neutron’s masses do not come predominantly from the Higgs field." So even much of the "rest mass" of neutrons and protons comes from the relativistic mass of the elementary particles comprising these particles. Don't get all bent out about photons having relativistic mass and not rest mass. Mass happens... -- Rick |
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