Jerry Stuckle wrote in news:m1h7sm$9bc$1@dont-
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I did see a video about a couple of guys free climbing an television
antenna about 2K feet in the air. I lost count how many safety
practices they violated. If OSHA had seen them doing that, they would
have been grounded big time. The fines would have probably put the
company out of business.


I can't find it to check, but I do remember it being very up-front about who
and where they were, and it was connected to soem company. The one I had was
probably kosher enough, if was effectively a promotional video, because
other, as you say, the effect would have been dramatically unwanted for them.
I could be wrong, but I won't know till I find it, and I have no idea where I
stowed it yet..

On 10/13/2014 4:56 PM, Lostgallifreyan wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote in news:m1h7sm$9bc$1@dont-
email.me:

I did see a video about a couple of guys free climbing an television
antenna about 2K feet in the air. I lost count how many safety
practices they violated. If OSHA had seen them doing that, they would
have been grounded big time. The fines would have probably put the
company out of business.


I can't find it to check, but I do remember it being very up-front about who
and where they were, and it was connected to soem company. The one I had was
probably kosher enough, if was effectively a promotional video, because
other, as you say, the effect would have been dramatically unwanted for them.
I could be wrong, but I won't know till I find it, and I have no idea where I
stowed it yet..


I don't know where it is, either - I never saved it. But AFAIK, OSHA
won't take action based on a youtube video - they want to see it
occurring.

I could be wrong, though. However, since I don't know what the company
was, there is no reasonable way to check the OSHA records (they are public).


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On Mon, 13 Oct 2014 17:01:10 -0400, Jerry Stuckle wrote:


I don't know where it is, either - I never saved it. But AFAIK, OSHA
won't take action based on a youtube video - they want to see it
occurring.

I could be wrong, though. However, since I don't know what the company
was, there is no reasonable way to check the OSHA records (they are
public).

Was it this one?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbEqnLjHyf8

I did see a video about a couple of guys free climbing an television
antenna about 2K feet in the air. I lost count how many safety
practices they violated. If OSHA had seen them doing that, they would
have been grounded big time. The fines would have probably put the
company out of business.

I can't find it to check, but I do remember it being very up-front about who
and where they were, and it was connected to soem company. The one I had was
probably kosher enough, if was effectively a promotional video, because
other, as you say, the effect would have been dramatically unwanted for them.
I could be wrong, but I won't know till I find it, and I have no idea where I
stowed it yet..

If it's the one I'm thinking of (the so-called "Stairway To Heaven"
video), it's all over YouTube:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlVxRdTnNqI is one version

Another tower-climbing company made the following:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9b9LahaBJIk

which they call "Stairway To Safety", and shows a similar climb with
the climbers using proper climbing-safety protocols (attached to the
tower at all times).

I can't find the cite at the moment, but my recollection is that both
of those free-climbers lost their jobs after they posted their
helmet-cam video... their employer stated that they had ignored the
safety procedures required by the company.

On 10/13/2014 6:05 PM, David Platt wrote:
I did see a video about a couple of guys free climbing an television
antenna about 2K feet in the air. I lost count how many safety
practices they violated. If OSHA had seen them doing that, they would
have been grounded big time. The fines would have probably put the
company out of business.

I can't find it to check, but I do remember it being very up-front about who
and where they were, and it was connected to soem company. The one I had was
probably kosher enough, if was effectively a promotional video, because
other, as you say, the effect would have been dramatically unwanted for them.
I could be wrong, but I won't know till I find it, and I have no idea where I
stowed it yet..

If it's the one I'm thinking of (the so-called "Stairway To Heaven"
video), it's all over YouTube:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlVxRdTnNqI is one version

Another tower-climbing company made the following:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9b9LahaBJIk

which they call "Stairway To Safety", and shows a similar climb with
the climbers using proper climbing-safety protocols (attached to the
tower at all times).

I can't find the cite at the moment, but my recollection is that both
of those free-climbers lost their jobs after they posted their
helmet-cam video... their employer stated that they had ignored the
safety procedures required by the company.



Yes, that looks familiar. But notice the face of the second climber is
fuzzed out so you can't identify him.

I didn't listen to the audio (in bed watching TV with the XYL and she
wouldn't like it ) so I don't know if they named the company or not.

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On 10/13/2014 6:05 PM, David Platt wrote:
I did see a video about a couple of guys free climbing an television
antenna about 2K feet in the air. I lost count how many safety
practices they violated. If OSHA had seen them doing that, they would
have been grounded big time. The fines would have probably put the
company out of business.

I can't find it to check, but I do remember it being very up-front about who
and where they were, and it was connected to soem company. The one I had was
probably kosher enough, if was effectively a promotional video, because
other, as you say, the effect would have been dramatically unwanted for them.
I could be wrong, but I won't know till I find it, and I have no idea where I
stowed it yet..

If it's the one I'm thinking of (the so-called "Stairway To Heaven"
video), it's all over YouTube:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlVxRdTnNqI is one version


Yup, that looks like another copy of the one Radiohead posted.

Another tower-climbing company made the following:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9b9LahaBJIk

which they call "Stairway To Safety", and shows a similar climb with
the climbers using proper climbing-safety protocols (attached to the
tower at all times).


Yes, safety takes a bit longer, but is not an option when you're more
than about six feet above the ground.

I can't find the cite at the moment, but my recollection is that both
of those free-climbers lost their jobs after they posted their
helmet-cam video... their employer stated that they had ignored the
safety procedures required by the company.



I'm glad to hear that. Safety procedures are there for a reason - and
it's not just to prevent an OSHA fine!

BTW - it is NOT required that a climber be tied off 100% of the time.
It is permissible to be unattached for short periods (i.e. when climbing
past guy wires). But the guys in the first video went way past what was
consider a short period!

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Jerry Stuckle wrote in news:m1hr93$93d$1@dont-
email.me:

It is permissible to be unattached for short periods (i.e. when climbing
past guy wires).

I wondered about that. Similar cases exist on a tall ship, there are moments
where a permanent attachment would not let you pass upwards at all, but these
moments are usually in structures joining sections of mast, or yards to a
mast, and actually support a climber very well.

(David Platt) wrote in news:tuutgb-
:

If it's the one I'm thinking of (the so-called "Stairway To Heaven"
video), it's all over YouTube:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlVxRdTnNqI is one version

Another tower-climbing company made the following:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9b9LahaBJIk


Having looked at them, it was probably the first one. The second one didn't
exist at the time (Youtube tends to link things like this very easily when
they do). I don't remember anything about a toolbag hanging from an ankle
though, that sounds like a very bad idea to me. However it is managed, I'd
have thought it should be attached to the strongeest, most central part of
the climber, at the waist, leaving all limbs eady to move.