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Old October 26th 14, 05:44 PM posted to rec.radio.amateur.antenna
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gareth wrote:
Setting aside the mistaken belief that even licensees of several years'
standing
have that a short antenna will radiate all the power that is fed to it, even
long
antennae do not do that!


Ignoring the nonsense about licensees and looking at what physicists have
to say about antennas, we find that all antennas radiate all the power
applied to them minus any resistive loss.

Consider the terminated and very-directional Rhombic with legs that are
several
wavelengths long; the reason for the termination is to absorb the power that
does not
get radiated and to prevent it being reflected and so making the Rhombic
bi-directional
instead of uni-directional..

Also, consider the following, if shorter (than the Rhombic) antennae radiate
all the
power fed to them, there would be no advantage to extending the length of
any antenna
because the shorter bit would have radiated all the power, and there'd be
nothing left
for the longer bit to radiate.


A ridiculous conclusiong that totally ignores both antenna pattern and
the practical issues involved in feeding very short antennas.

As it is short (and unterminated) antennae only radiate a small proportion
of the power that
is fed to them, and that which is not radiated is refelcted back to the feed
point considerably
out-of-phase with the incident power and so presenting a very reactive
impedance. (Yes, OK,
on the way back from the reflection, a bit more might get radiated, but I
suspect that the
out-of-phase wave affects the EM fields thereby reducing the radiative
capability)


All a giant pile of babbling, confused nonsense that shows a total lack
of understanding of how antennas work.



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On 26/10/14 17:44, wrote:
gareth wrote:
Setting aside the mistaken belief that even licensees of several years'
standing
have that a short antenna will radiate all the power that is fed to it, even
long
antennae do not do that!


Ignoring the nonsense about licensees and looking at what physicists have
to say about antennas, we find that all antennas radiate all the power
applied to them minus any resistive loss.


Which is exactly what was posted by those who posted correct inputs said.

As usual, Evans is posting malicious nonsense.


Consider the terminated and very-directional Rhombic with legs that are
several
wavelengths long; the reason for the termination is to absorb the power that
does not
get radiated and to prevent it being reflected and so making the Rhombic
bi-directional
instead of uni-directional..

Also, consider the following, if shorter (than the Rhombic) antennae radiate
all the
power fed to them, there would be no advantage to extending the length of
any antenna
because the shorter bit would have radiated all the power, and there'd be
nothing left
for the longer bit to radiate.


A ridiculous conclusiong that totally ignores both antenna pattern and
the practical issues involved in feeding very short antennas.


He lacks even a grasp of the most basic antenna theory.


As it is short (and unterminated) antennae only radiate a small proportion
of the power that
is fed to them, and that which is not radiated is refelcted back to the feed
point considerably
out-of-phase with the incident power and so presenting a very reactive
impedance. (Yes, OK,
on the way back from the reflection, a bit more might get radiated, but I
suspect that the
out-of-phase wave affects the EM fields thereby reducing the radiative
capability)


All a giant pile of babbling, confused nonsense that shows a total lack
of understanding of how antennas work.


One of his standard ploys is to utter a load of such techno-nonsense.
Another is to hurl abuse. He has less pleasant ploys which, hopefully,
you will be spared.





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"Brian Reay" wrote in message
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As usual, Evans is posting malicious nonsense.


Once again, you post gratuitous abuse but without venturing a technical
contribution yourself


He lacks even a grasp of the most basic antenna theory.


Once again, you post gratuitous abuse

One of his standard ploys is to utter a load of such techno-nonsense.
Another is to hurl abuse. He has less pleasant ploys which, hopefully, you
will be spared.


Once again, you post gratuitous abuse

So, M3OSN, are you having a hard time this weekend which has resulted in you
lashing out in all directions in every NG that you frequent?


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"Brian Reay" wrote in message
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He has less pleasant ploys which, hopefully, you will be spared.


Are you, perhaps, referring to the precedent that you set in 2005 to
threaten
the liberties and livelihoods of those who did no more than to openly
disagree with you
on Usenet by sending for them to be arrested by the ploddery?

Did it not occur to you that your victims could end up getting the sack from
their jobs when you did that?



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On 10/26/2014 5:01 PM, gareth wrote:
"Brian Reay" wrote in message
...

He has less pleasant ploys which, hopefully, you will be spared.


Are you, perhaps, referring to the precedent that you set in 2005 to
threaten
the liberties and livelihoods of those who did no more than to openly
disagree with you
on Usenet by sending for them to be arrested by the ploddery?

Did it not occur to you that your victims could end up getting the sack from
their jobs when you did that?




You mean like you purposefully tried to get him sacked for things he did
not do - and got docked for it?

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