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Percy Picacity wrote in
: That's energy to keep all the heat from the surrounding environment out. In a system completely separated from hot material or radiation, such as space, the energy is exactly the same, because of the way temperature is defined. Great, so there's a justification for researching superconductors in space, no? Just when someone here assiduously claimed there was not. |
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Lostgallifreyan wrote:
wrote in : You write like a starry eyed dreamer that believes long established principals are going to go away simply by putting something in space. Actually, no. My point has more to do with establishing precedent, aimed at getting a mass public interested, so that a commercial market exists with practical ideas for use. Many of the things we use on Earth like reliable ballpoint pens, velcro, would not have got the same degree of interest or development. Nonsense. Velcro was invented in 1948 and in extensive use well before there was a real space program. The ballpoint pen was invented in 1888 and in extensive use well before there was a space program. The "space" ballpoint pen was simply an ordinary pen build to tight tolerances with a pressurized ink cartridge and they are a tiny fraction of ballpoint pens sold every year as there is zero advantage to them in gravity while being expensive. Where do you get all this nonsense? -- Jim Pennino |
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rickman wrote in :
The reason why cooling something gets harder as it approaches absolute zero is because the heat flow is proportional to the difference in temperature. Even if your pump is perfect and acts as if you put the thing being cooled in contact with a heat sink at 0 °K, the rate of heat flow decreases as that temperature delta diminishes. Ok, that helps. It's close to what I had in mind, though my reasoning may still be bad. For what it's worth... if a superconductor is very cold, needing to be so, then because there is no way to go below zero K, there are more things hotter, than colder, so they have more effect than the shaded space conditions. That balance might favour a need for forced cooling just to play safe in many cases, but I accept that isolation might be fairly easy to do, and I also accept that 77K is likely far enough above shaded space conditions that it gives a wide margin to prevent small leaks from nearby heat sources causing failure. |
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rickman wrote:
On 11/3/2014 3:09 PM, wrote: rickman wrote: On 11/3/2014 1:07 PM, wrote: rickman wrote: On 11/2/2014 4:11 PM, wrote: Lostgallifreyan wrote: wrote in : The only external heat source in space is the Sun; solution, sun shade. Maybe not. I just did a bit of Googling for 'superconductors in space' minus quotes. There's a lot of statements abotu space missions ended because required helium or hydrogen coolant ran out, Yeah, the coolent ran out for the things that GENERATE a lot of heat and need to be cooled more than radiation can provide. Radiative cooling does not provide for a lot of cooling. and also of space having latent temperatures up to 100K, so a sun shade won't help a lot there with current materials. There really is no such thing as temperature in space as it is a vacuum. That is a gross oversimplification. The temperature of space is the temperature of the background radiation, even in a near vacuum. That is also an simplification. But not a gross oversimplification. True. Shall we go into why an ordinary thermometer exposed to the Sun at about Earth's distance from the Sun allowed to stabilze will read the tempurature of space as about 7 C and what are the unstated assumptions for this to happen? The number I found was about 4 °C. I believe it was posted with all the assumptions... I didn't see that post. If it has already be done, so be it. -- Jim Pennino |
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On Monday, November 3, 2014 12:32:18 PM UTC-6, gareth wrote:
wrote in message ... On Monday, November 3, 2014 11:17:26 AM UTC-6, gareth wrote: wrote in message ... On Monday, November 3, 2014 11:05:11 AM UTC-6, gareth wrote: "Lostgallifreyan" wrote in message . .. How many other people who are not engineers or scientists do you see posting around here? In discussions about short antennae, quite a few from Yankland. I'm just a regular ole ham here. Never studied any of this stuff in school, and don't work in any related field. Everything I've learned, I learned on my own. It shows. Big talk from rraa's new purveyor of bafflegab Read and learn a bit more. About what? I read what I need to read in order to do whatever it is I need to do. I don't need to read any more about small antennas in order to deal with the likes of you. As you recall, I was probably the first one to jump on you when you falsely claimed that small radiators are inefficient. Anyone that has actually read up on the subject knows that that is not true. If anyone needs to invest in some good textbooks on the subject, it's you. |
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On 11/3/2014 2:57 PM, rickman wrote:
On 11/3/2014 12:19 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: The ISS is the same. You don't see the rotation because the ISS is stationary (rotation-wise) relative to the earth, and you are observing the earth. But if the cameras were pointed into space, you would see the stars move as the ISS rotates. As I read this and pictured cameras pointed to the earth as the "space" station orbits the earth while ignoring the vastness of *space*, it seems to be that humanity is obsessed with selfies. LOL! -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry, AI0K ================== |
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On Monday, November 3, 2014 2:01:21 PM UTC-6, rickman wrote:
On 11/3/2014 12:13 PM, wrote: On Monday, November 3, 2014 11:05:11 AM UTC-6, gareth wrote: "Lostgallifreyan" wrote in message . .. How many other people who are not engineers or scientists do you see posting around here? In discussions about short antennae, quite a few from Yankland. I'm just a regular ole ham here. Never studied any of this stuff in school, and don't work in any related field. Everything I've learned, I learned on my own. Mainly from books, of which I have several. I trust good textbooks a lot more than I trust usenet jibber jabber. Usenet jibber jabber is only as good as the qualifications of the one jabbering. Some info is good, some is bad, and some is pure unadulterated bafflegab. Will you do us *all* a favor and stop replying to him? You keep feeding the tosser... er, I mean troll. -- Rick Why don't you kiss my differential. If I want to reply to him I will, and I don't care if chaps the ass of every "Rick" on the planet. No one is holding a pistol to your head making you read it. |
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Lostgallifreyan wrote:
wrote in : Where do you get all this nonsense? Those examples, from a BBC article sometime, and also some book on space when I was a kid. So they were wrong... I have to ask, do you second guess absolutely everythign you hear? Calling nonsense nonsense is not second guessing. The examples I gave were also mentioned in part of a school class, so even if it wrong, it ended up part of a lot of people's thoughts, so maybe you should berate the people who started the mess, not the ones who ended up inheriting it. If your education stopped when you walked out of the school house door, that is your fault, not the schools. There are lots of old wive's tales, urban legends, and other nonsense a lot of people believe but quoting them without bothering to check the veracity of them is your failing and yours alone. If, for example, you had bothered to do a little research on the history of the ballpoint pen, you would have discovered they were invented in 1888 but manufacturing problems keep them from becoming a common writting tool until shortly after WWII when those problems were solved. Once the practical problems were solved, sales of ballpoint pens took off and they rapidly replaced quill and fountain pens. Space had nothing to do with the commercial success of the ballpoint or the fact that the Bic disposable is the most widely sold pen in the world. So if there is any lesson to be learned from this, it is that a little research before posting is a GOOD idea. -- Jim Pennino |
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"rickman" wrote in message
... On 11/3/2014 12:13 PM, wrote: On Monday, November 3, 2014 11:05:11 AM UTC-6, gareth wrote: "Lostgallifreyan" wrote in message . .. How many other people who are not engineers or scientists do you see posting around here? In discussions about short antennae, quite a few from Yankland. I'm just a regular ole ham here. Never studied any of this stuff in school, and don't work in any related field. Everything I've learned, I learned on my own. Mainly from books, of which I have several. I trust good textbooks a lot more than I trust usenet jibber jabber. Usenet jibber jabber is only as good as the qualifications of the one jabbering. Some info is good, some is bad, and some is pure unadulterated bafflegab. Will you do us *all* a favor and stop replying to him? You keep feeding the tosser... er, I mean troll. The other ignorant yank redneck vomits his usual verbal diarrhoea. Why be happy in your state of igorance, when, with a little reading around and self-training you could be an expert yourself? |
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On 11/3/2014 3:48 PM, wrote:
rickman wrote: On 11/3/2014 3:09 PM, wrote: rickman wrote: On 11/3/2014 1:07 PM, wrote: rickman wrote: On 11/2/2014 4:11 PM, wrote: Lostgallifreyan wrote: wrote in : The only external heat source in space is the Sun; solution, sun shade. Maybe not. I just did a bit of Googling for 'superconductors in space' minus quotes. There's a lot of statements abotu space missions ended because required helium or hydrogen coolant ran out, Yeah, the coolent ran out for the things that GENERATE a lot of heat and need to be cooled more than radiation can provide. Radiative cooling does not provide for a lot of cooling. and also of space having latent temperatures up to 100K, so a sun shade won't help a lot there with current materials. There really is no such thing as temperature in space as it is a vacuum. That is a gross oversimplification. The temperature of space is the temperature of the background radiation, even in a near vacuum. That is also an simplification. But not a gross oversimplification. True. Shall we go into why an ordinary thermometer exposed to the Sun at about Earth's distance from the Sun allowed to stabilze will read the tempurature of space as about 7 C and what are the unstated assumptions for this to happen? The number I found was about 4 °C. I believe it was posted with all the assumptions... I didn't see that post. If it has already be done, so be it. It is just the assumption that the object is a round, highly conductive, black body so that it absorbs all radiation hitting it and spreads the heat so it is isothermal and re-radiates it at that temperature the same in all directions. Sort of an inside out integrating sphere. This was the post where I quoted a formula that said the energy from the sun would produce 77 °K at about 13 AU. -- Rick |
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"Lostgallifreyan" wrote in message
. .. wrote in : You write like a starry eyed dreamer that believes long established principals are going to go away simply by putting something in space. Actually, no. My point has more to do with establishing precedent, aimed at getting a mass public interested Your ramblings are irrelevant to amateur radio, and, as such, you are a troll who is polluting these NG. |
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On 11/3/2014 4:05 PM, wrote:
On Monday, November 3, 2014 2:01:21 PM UTC-6, rickman wrote: On 11/3/2014 12:13 PM, wrote: On Monday, November 3, 2014 11:05:11 AM UTC-6, gareth wrote: "Lostgallifreyan" wrote in message . .. How many other people who are not engineers or scientists do you see posting around here? In discussions about short antennae, quite a few from Yankland. I'm just a regular ole ham here. Never studied any of this stuff in school, and don't work in any related field. Everything I've learned, I learned on my own. Mainly from books, of which I have several. I trust good textbooks a lot more than I trust usenet jibber jabber. Usenet jibber jabber is only as good as the qualifications of the one jabbering. Some info is good, some is bad, and some is pure unadulterated bafflegab. Will you do us *all* a favor and stop replying to him? You keep feeding the tosser... er, I mean troll. -- Rick Why don't you kiss my differential. If I want to reply to him I will, and I don't care if chaps the ass of every "Rick" on the planet. No one is holding a pistol to your head making you read it. Exactly, and the same goes for your rants to Gareth. No one is making you read his nonsense. But both of you make this group a less pleasant group. -- Rick |
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On 11/3/2014 4:23 PM, gareth wrote:
"rickman" wrote in message ... On 11/3/2014 12:13 PM, wrote: On Monday, November 3, 2014 11:05:11 AM UTC-6, gareth wrote: "Lostgallifreyan" wrote in message . .. How many other people who are not engineers or scientists do you see posting around here? In discussions about short antennae, quite a few from Yankland. I'm just a regular ole ham here. Never studied any of this stuff in school, and don't work in any related field. Everything I've learned, I learned on my own. Mainly from books, of which I have several. I trust good textbooks a lot more than I trust usenet jibber jabber. Usenet jibber jabber is only as good as the qualifications of the one jabbering. Some info is good, some is bad, and some is pure unadulterated bafflegab. Will you do us *all* a favor and stop replying to him? You keep feeding the tosser... er, I mean troll. The other ignorant yank redneck vomits his usual verbal diarrhoea. Why be happy in your state of igorance, when, with a little reading around and self-training you could be an expert yourself? I screwed up. My post triggered a reply which is the last thing I want. -- Rick |
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On Sat, 01 Nov 2014 15:32:03 -0400, rickman wrote:
On 11/1/2014 11:26 AM, gareth wrote: Ignoring, for the moment, travelling wave antenna, and restricting discussion to standing wave antennae ... A wave is launched, and radiates SOME of the power, and suffers both I2R losses and dielectric and permeability losses associated with creating and collapsing the near field. At first, there is no standing wave, until the wave reaches the point of reflection in the antenna and heads back the way it has come (because not all has been radiated*****) On the way back, it againn suffers the losses described above, as well as radiating a bit more. It then reaches the other end and suffers further reflections ad infinitum. An interesting conclusion is, therefore, that the I2R losses are repeated, each tiome with a smaller loss, as the wave decrements. ***** Without the remnants of non-radiated power, there could NOT be a standing wave! I think the subject says it all. Yes, antennae radiate all the power fed to them. The larger part as electromagnetic wave, the smaller part as infrared radiation. w. |
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wrote in message
... About what? I read what I need to read in order to do whatever it is I need to do. I don't need to read any more about small antennas in order to deal with the likes of you. As you recall, I was probably the first one to jump on you when you falsely claimed that small radiators are inefficient. Anyone that has actually read up on the subject knows that that is not true. If anyone needs to invest in some good textbooks on the subject, it's you. Based upon what you write, I suspect that your textbooks were written by Dr.Seuss. The most advanced of my textbooks, which was a course textbook back in the early 1970s was, "Fields and Waves in Communications Electronics" by Ramo, Whinnery and Van Duzer; Ramo and Whinnery being the R and the W in TRW. Short antennae are poor radiatiors. I refer you to the book, "Antennas" by "Those Engineers Ltd", a Yank book from 1948 that discusses that issue. |
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On 11/3/2014 3:43 PM, Lostgallifreyan wrote:
rickman wrote in : The reason why cooling something gets harder as it approaches absolute zero is because the heat flow is proportional to the difference in temperature. Even if your pump is perfect and acts as if you put the thing being cooled in contact with a heat sink at 0 °K, the rate of heat flow decreases as that temperature delta diminishes. Ok, that helps. It's close to what I had in mind, though my reasoning may still be bad. For what it's worth... if a superconductor is very cold, needing to be so, then because there is no way to go below zero K, there are more things hotter, than colder, so they have more effect than the shaded space conditions. That balance might favour a need for forced cooling just to play safe in many cases, but I accept that isolation might be fairly easy to do, and I also accept that 77K is likely far enough above shaded space conditions that it gives a wide margin to prevent small leaks from nearby heat sources causing failure. There is nothing at all in your posts that is based on any facts. Science and engineering don't work on "might favor". Get the equations and do the math. Otherwise it is just waving hands and flapping gums. -- Rick |
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"rickman" wrote in message
... Get the equations and do the math. Physician, heal thyself. |
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On 11/3/2014 4:25 PM, rickman wrote:
On 11/3/2014 4:01 PM, wrote: On Monday, November 3, 2014 12:32:18 PM UTC-6, gareth wrote: wrote in message ... On Monday, November 3, 2014 11:17:26 AM UTC-6, gareth wrote: wrote in message ... On Monday, November 3, 2014 11:05:11 AM UTC-6, gareth wrote: "Lostgallifreyan" wrote in message . .. How many other people who are not engineers or scientists do you see posting around here? In discussions about short antennae, quite a few from Yankland. I'm just a regular ole ham here. Never studied any of this stuff in school, and don't work in any related field. Everything I've learned, I learned on my own. It shows. Big talk from rraa's new purveyor of bafflegab Read and learn a bit more. About what? I read what I need to read in order to do whatever it is I need to do. I don't need to read any more about small antennas in order to deal with the likes of you. As you recall, I was probably the first one to jump on you when you falsely claimed that small radiators are inefficient. Anyone that has actually read up on the subject knows that that is not true. If anyone needs to invest in some good textbooks on the subject, it's you. Hmmm... I wonder if his obsession with *small* antennas is due to a personal issue of having a *small* antenna? I was just thinking the same thing - but you beat me to it :) -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry, AI0K ================== |
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On 11/3/2014 4:05 PM, wrote:
On Monday, November 3, 2014 2:01:21 PM UTC-6, rickman wrote: On 11/3/2014 12:13 PM, wrote: On Monday, November 3, 2014 11:05:11 AM UTC-6, gareth wrote: "Lostgallifreyan" wrote in message . .. How many other people who are not engineers or scientists do you see posting around here? In discussions about short antennae, quite a few from Yankland. I'm just a regular ole ham here. Never studied any of this stuff in school, and don't work in any related field. Everything I've learned, I learned on my own. Mainly from books, of which I have several. I trust good textbooks a lot more than I trust usenet jibber jabber. Usenet jibber jabber is only as good as the qualifications of the one jabbering. Some info is good, some is bad, and some is pure unadulterated bafflegab. Will you do us *all* a favor and stop replying to him? You keep feeding the tosser... er, I mean troll. -- Rick Why don't you kiss my differential. If I want to reply to him I will, and I don't care if chaps the ass of every "Rick" on the planet. No one is holding a pistol to your head making you read it. rickman has a valid point. Most of us ignore his rantings - at least most of the time. It took me a while to learn that, but my life on usenet has gotten better since I started ignoring him. There's an old saying: "Don't wrestle with a pig. You only get dirty and the pig enjoys it." -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry, AI0K ================== |
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On Monday, November 3, 2014 3:49:05 PM UTC-6, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
There's an old saying: "Don't wrestle with a pig. You only get dirty and the pig enjoys it." I enjoy wrestling with pigs. It's good wholesome entertainment for the whole family. :) |
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wrote in message ... On Monday, November 3, 2014 3:49:05 PM UTC-6, Jerry Stuckle wrote: There's an old saying: "Don't wrestle with a pig. You only get dirty and the pig enjoys it." # I enjoy wrestling with pigs. It's good wholesome entertainment # for the whole family. :) Personally, I'm sitting here QRV until a better antenna discussion comes along :) |
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On 11/3/2014 7:43 PM, Wayne wrote:
wrote in message ... On Monday, November 3, 2014 3:49:05 PM UTC-6, Jerry Stuckle wrote: There's an old saying: "Don't wrestle with a pig. You only get dirty and the pig enjoys it." # I enjoy wrestling with pigs. It's good wholesome entertainment # for the whole family. :) Personally, I'm sitting here QRV until a better antenna discussion comes along :) Know anything about loops? I had a thread going on that. -- Rick |
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"rickman" wrote in message ... On 11/3/2014 7:43 PM, Wayne wrote: wrote in message ... On Monday, November 3, 2014 3:49:05 PM UTC-6, Jerry Stuckle wrote: There's an old saying: "Don't wrestle with a pig. You only get dirty and the pig enjoys it." # I enjoy wrestling with pigs. It's good wholesome entertainment # for the whole family. :) Personally, I'm sitting here QRV until a better antenna discussion comes along :) # Know anything about loops? I had a thread going on that. Not much. I've always wanted to play with small loops, but never got into it. At one time, my HF antenna was an attic horizontal 4 sided loop, about 14 foot on a side. Not too bad for the constraints applied. |
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On Monday, November 3, 2014 5:44:43 PM UTC-6, rickman wrote:
On 11/3/2014 6:20 PM, wrote: On Monday, November 3, 2014 3:49:05 PM UTC-6, Jerry Stuckle wrote: There's an old saying: "Don't wrestle with a pig. You only get dirty and the pig enjoys it." I enjoy wrestling with pigs. It's good wholesome entertainment for the whole family. :) Actually the saying is, "you both get dirty, but the pig enjoys it." Do you enjoy getting dirty with the pig? The rest of us don't like watching. In reality you are just embarrassing yourself just as Gareth is. Gareth doesn't realize it (being the pig). Do you? -- Rick I have not said anything to embarrass myself. And even if I did, what's it to you? As I've said before, I find you to be a bigger horses ass than Gareth. He's just silly and ignorant. You on the other hand are an arrogant horses ass who seems to think that I should really care what you think. When I need someone like you to tell me how to post, I'll let you know. Don't hold your breath waiting, unless you want to end up tango uniform. I've been here for at least 15 years, and until you came along, no one has had any issues with any of my posts. Ever. So it sounds like a definite personal problem to me. |
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On 11/3/2014 8:10 PM, wrote:
On Monday, November 3, 2014 5:44:43 PM UTC-6, rickman wrote: On 11/3/2014 6:20 PM, wrote: On Monday, November 3, 2014 3:49:05 PM UTC-6, Jerry Stuckle wrote: There's an old saying: "Don't wrestle with a pig. You only get dirty and the pig enjoys it." I enjoy wrestling with pigs. It's good wholesome entertainment for the whole family. :) Actually the saying is, "you both get dirty, but the pig enjoys it." Do you enjoy getting dirty with the pig? The rest of us don't like watching. In reality you are just embarrassing yourself just as Gareth is. Gareth doesn't realize it (being the pig). Do you? -- Rick I have not said anything to embarrass myself. And even if I did, what's it to you? As I've said before, I find you to be a bigger horses ass than Gareth. He's just silly and ignorant. You on the other hand are an arrogant horses ass who seems to think that I should really care what you think. When I need someone like you to tell me how to post, I'll let you know. Don't hold your breath waiting, unless you want to end up tango uniform. I've been here for at least 15 years, and until you came along, no one has had any issues with any of my posts. Ever. So it sounds like a definite personal problem to me. Ok, you seem to like the drama as much a Gareth. I guess you are two cut from the same cloth and there is no point in trying to reason with you. -- Rick |
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On 11/3/2014 8:06 PM, Wayne wrote:
"rickman" wrote in message ... On 11/3/2014 7:43 PM, Wayne wrote: wrote in message ... On Monday, November 3, 2014 3:49:05 PM UTC-6, Jerry Stuckle wrote: There's an old saying: "Don't wrestle with a pig. You only get dirty and the pig enjoys it." # I enjoy wrestling with pigs. It's good wholesome entertainment # for the whole family. :) Personally, I'm sitting here QRV until a better antenna discussion comes along :) # Know anything about loops? I had a thread going on that. Not much. I've always wanted to play with small loops, but never got into it. At one time, my HF antenna was an attic horizontal 4 sided loop, about 14 foot on a side. Not too bad for the constraints applied. I'm curious. Why do you append the material you are replying to with the # character? That doesn't seem to work with most newsreaders and the attribution gets confused. -- Rick |
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"rickman" wrote in message ... On 11/3/2014 8:06 PM, Wayne wrote: "rickman" wrote in message ... On 11/3/2014 7:43 PM, Wayne wrote: wrote in message ... On Monday, November 3, 2014 3:49:05 PM UTC-6, Jerry Stuckle wrote: There's an old saying: "Don't wrestle with a pig. You only get dirty and the pig enjoys it." # I enjoy wrestling with pigs. It's good wholesome entertainment # for the whole family. :) Personally, I'm sitting here QRV until a better antenna discussion comes along :) # Know anything about loops? I had a thread going on that. Not much. I've always wanted to play with small loops, but never got into it. At one time, my HF antenna was an attic horizontal 4 sided loop, about 14 foot on a side. Not too bad for the constraints applied. I'm curious. Why do you append the material you are replying to with the # character? That doesn't seem to work with most newsreaders and the attribution gets confused. *************** I am using Windows Live Mail to read eternal-september. When I reply, the post I am replying to doesn't have any "" added. If I add "" manually, I have to add it to every line, not just the ones I'm replying to. Yep, it sucks and I'm not the only one having the Live Mail problem, or using #. |
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On Monday, November 3, 2014 7:40:01 PM UTC-6, rickman wrote:
On 11/3/2014 8:10 PM, wrote: On Monday, November 3, 2014 5:44:43 PM UTC-6, rickman wrote: On 11/3/2014 6:20 PM, wrote: On Monday, November 3, 2014 3:49:05 PM UTC-6, Jerry Stuckle wrote: There's an old saying: "Don't wrestle with a pig. You only get dirty and the pig enjoys it." I enjoy wrestling with pigs. It's good wholesome entertainment for the whole family. :) Actually the saying is, "you both get dirty, but the pig enjoys it." Do you enjoy getting dirty with the pig? The rest of us don't like watching. In reality you are just embarrassing yourself just as Gareth is. Gareth doesn't realize it (being the pig). Do you? -- Rick I have not said anything to embarrass myself. And even if I did, what's it to you? As I've said before, I find you to be a bigger horses ass than Gareth. He's just silly and ignorant. You on the other hand are an arrogant horses ass who seems to think that I should really care what you think. When I need someone like you to tell me how to post, I'll let you know. Don't hold your breath waiting, unless you want to end up tango uniform. I've been here for at least 15 years, and until you came along, no one has had any issues with any of my posts. Ever. So it sounds like a definite personal problem to me. Ok, you seem to like the drama as much a Gareth. I guess you are two cut from the same cloth and there is no point in trying to reason with you. -- Rick You jackass. The only one stirring the "drama" is you. This is what people like you don't understand. I may proke and prod people, but I do it in a calm orderly military manner. So calm, that I can heckle people, and most of the time they don't even realize that I'm heckling them. It's only idiots like you that try to convert calm orderly heckling into what you call "drama". You really are a piece of work.. All this because I conversed with Gareth about books.. :| ****. Leave me alone. Go tend to your own business and leave me out of it. BTW, I know a good bit about small loops, but you are such a prick, I decided to leave you to your own devices when you first made the post about it. |
No antennae radiate all the power fed to them!
On 11/3/2014 8:52 PM, wrote:
On Monday, November 3, 2014 7:40:01 PM UTC-6, rickman wrote: On 11/3/2014 8:10 PM, wrote: On Monday, November 3, 2014 5:44:43 PM UTC-6, rickman wrote: On 11/3/2014 6:20 PM, wrote: On Monday, November 3, 2014 3:49:05 PM UTC-6, Jerry Stuckle wrote: There's an old saying: "Don't wrestle with a pig. You only get dirty and the pig enjoys it." I enjoy wrestling with pigs. It's good wholesome entertainment for the whole family. :) Actually the saying is, "you both get dirty, but the pig enjoys it." Do you enjoy getting dirty with the pig? The rest of us don't like watching. In reality you are just embarrassing yourself just as Gareth is. Gareth doesn't realize it (being the pig). Do you? -- Rick I have not said anything to embarrass myself. And even if I did, what's it to you? As I've said before, I find you to be a bigger horses ass than Gareth. He's just silly and ignorant. You on the other hand are an arrogant horses ass who seems to think that I should really care what you think. When I need someone like you to tell me how to post, I'll let you know. Don't hold your breath waiting, unless you want to end up tango uniform. I've been here for at least 15 years, and until you came along, no one has had any issues with any of my posts. Ever. So it sounds like a definite personal problem to me. Ok, you seem to like the drama as much a Gareth. I guess you are two cut from the same cloth and there is no point in trying to reason with you. -- Rick You jackass. The only one stirring the "drama" is you. This is what people like you don't understand. I may proke and prod people, but I do it in a calm orderly military manner. So calm, that I can heckle people, and most of the time they don't even realize that I'm heckling them. It's only idiots like you that try to convert calm orderly heckling into what you call "drama". You really are a piece of work.. All this because I conversed with Gareth about books.. :| ****. Leave me alone. Go tend to your own business and leave me out of it. BTW, I know a good bit about small loops, but you are such a prick, I decided to leave you to your own devices when you first made the post about it. No, rickman isn't the only one who considers you a drama queen. You've been here 15 years? I've got over 20 on you, since this was arpanet. I've seen jackasses like you come and go. I prefer when they go. There's a word for people who heckle others, trying to elicit a response. It's TROLL. -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry, AI0K ================== |
No antennae radiate all the power fed to them!
On 11/3/2014 8:46 PM, Wayne wrote:
"rickman" wrote in message ... On 11/3/2014 8:06 PM, Wayne wrote: "rickman" wrote in message ... On 11/3/2014 7:43 PM, Wayne wrote: wrote in message ... On Monday, November 3, 2014 3:49:05 PM UTC-6, Jerry Stuckle wrote: There's an old saying: "Don't wrestle with a pig. You only get dirty and the pig enjoys it." # I enjoy wrestling with pigs. It's good wholesome entertainment # for the whole family. :) Personally, I'm sitting here QRV until a better antenna discussion comes along :) # Know anything about loops? I had a thread going on that. Not much. I've always wanted to play with small loops, but never got into it. At one time, my HF antenna was an attic horizontal 4 sided loop, about 14 foot on a side. Not too bad for the constraints applied. I'm curious. Why do you append the material you are replying to with the # character? That doesn't seem to work with most newsreaders and the attribution gets confused. *************** I am using Windows Live Mail to read eternal-september. When I reply, the post I am replying to doesn't have any "" added. If I add "" manually, I have to add it to every line, not just the ones I'm replying to. Yep, it sucks and I'm not the only one having the Live Mail problem, or using #. Probably the worst you can use. There are good newsreaders out there. I use Thunderbird - not the best for news, but it's what I also use for email, so it's convenient. -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry, AI0K ================== |
No antennae radiate all the power fed to them!
On Monday, November 3, 2014 7:59:14 PM UTC-6, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 11/3/2014 8:52 PM, wrote: On Monday, November 3, 2014 7:40:01 PM UTC-6, rickman wrote: On 11/3/2014 8:10 PM, wrote: On Monday, November 3, 2014 5:44:43 PM UTC-6, rickman wrote: On 11/3/2014 6:20 PM, wrote: On Monday, November 3, 2014 3:49:05 PM UTC-6, Jerry Stuckle wrote: There's an old saying: "Don't wrestle with a pig. You only get dirty and the pig enjoys it." I enjoy wrestling with pigs. It's good wholesome entertainment for the whole family. :) Actually the saying is, "you both get dirty, but the pig enjoys it." Do you enjoy getting dirty with the pig? The rest of us don't like watching. In reality you are just embarrassing yourself just as Gareth is. Gareth doesn't realize it (being the pig). Do you? -- Rick I have not said anything to embarrass myself. And even if I did, what's it to you? As I've said before, I find you to be a bigger horses ass than Gareth. He's just silly and ignorant. You on the other hand are an arrogant horses ass who seems to think that I should really care what you think. When I need someone like you to tell me how to post, I'll let you know. Don't hold your breath waiting, unless you want to end up tango uniform. I've been here for at least 15 years, and until you came along, no one has had any issues with any of my posts. Ever. So it sounds like a definite personal problem to me. Ok, you seem to like the drama as much a Gareth. I guess you are two cut from the same cloth and there is no point in trying to reason with you. -- Rick You jackass. The only one stirring the "drama" is you. This is what people like you don't understand. I may proke and prod people, but I do it in a calm orderly military manner. So calm, that I can heckle people, and most of the time they don't even realize that I'm heckling them. It's only idiots like you that try to convert calm orderly heckling into what you call "drama". You really are a piece of work.. All this because I conversed with Gareth about books.. :| ****. Leave me alone. Go tend to your own business and leave me out of it. BTW, I know a good bit about small loops, but you are such a prick, I decided to leave you to your own devices when you first made the post about it. No, rickman isn't the only one who considers you a drama queen. You've been here 15 years? I've got over 20 on you, since this was arpanet. I've seen jackasses like you come and go. I prefer when they go. There's a word for people who heckle others, trying to elicit a response. It's TROLL. I'm talking about this particular rraa group. I don't try to elicit a response, and what I call heckling is likely not what you think it is. I only "heckle" people who spew bafflegab as if it were etched in stone fact, and then try to tell everyone else they are the ones who need to read books. Like Gareth. Like Art Unwin. And a few others through the years. The vast majority of my posts are quite boring.. And show me posts where I've acted like a drama queen. I'd like to see them. |
No antennae radiate all the power fed to them!
On 11/3/2014 8:46 PM, Wayne wrote:
"rickman" wrote in message ... On 11/3/2014 8:06 PM, Wayne wrote: "rickman" wrote in message ... On 11/3/2014 7:43 PM, Wayne wrote: wrote in message ... On Monday, November 3, 2014 3:49:05 PM UTC-6, Jerry Stuckle wrote: There's an old saying: "Don't wrestle with a pig. You only get dirty and the pig enjoys it." # I enjoy wrestling with pigs. It's good wholesome entertainment # for the whole family. :) Personally, I'm sitting here QRV until a better antenna discussion comes along :) # Know anything about loops? I had a thread going on that. Not much. I've always wanted to play with small loops, but never got into it. At one time, my HF antenna was an attic horizontal 4 sided loop, about 14 foot on a side. Not too bad for the constraints applied. I'm curious. Why do you append the material you are replying to with the # character? That doesn't seem to work with most newsreaders and the attribution gets confused. *************** I am using Windows Live Mail to read eternal-september. When I reply, the post I am replying to doesn't have any "" added. If I add "" manually, I have to add it to every line, not just the ones I'm replying to. Yep, it sucks and I'm not the only one having the Live Mail problem, or using #. Not trying to give you a hard time or anything... that can come later, lol. I've just never seen this in any other group. I didn't track who was doing it here, I just assumed it was all from the same person. I use Thunderird to read newsgroups. If you are already using eternal-september it is easy to set up and work pretty well. I wish I could figure out how to filter people so their posts are moved to an "ignore" folder. I can delete their posts, but sometimes it is useful to read them if an interesting thread comes up. I'm not to the point where I refuse to read people's threads, I'd just like to have the option to change my mind on a per-message basis. Otherwise I am pretty happy with T-bird. -- Rick |
No antennae radiate all the power fed to them!
On 11/3/2014 9:16 PM, rickman wrote:
On 11/3/2014 8:46 PM, Wayne wrote: "rickman" wrote in message ... On 11/3/2014 8:06 PM, Wayne wrote: "rickman" wrote in message ... On 11/3/2014 7:43 PM, Wayne wrote: wrote in message ... On Monday, November 3, 2014 3:49:05 PM UTC-6, Jerry Stuckle wrote: There's an old saying: "Don't wrestle with a pig. You only get dirty and the pig enjoys it." # I enjoy wrestling with pigs. It's good wholesome entertainment # for the whole family. :) Personally, I'm sitting here QRV until a better antenna discussion comes along :) # Know anything about loops? I had a thread going on that. Not much. I've always wanted to play with small loops, but never got into it. At one time, my HF antenna was an attic horizontal 4 sided loop, about 14 foot on a side. Not too bad for the constraints applied. I'm curious. Why do you append the material you are replying to with the # character? That doesn't seem to work with most newsreaders and the attribution gets confused. *************** I am using Windows Live Mail to read eternal-september. When I reply, the post I am replying to doesn't have any "" added. If I add "" manually, I have to add it to every line, not just the ones I'm replying to. Yep, it sucks and I'm not the only one having the Live Mail problem, or using #. Not trying to give you a hard time or anything... that can come later, lol. I've just never seen this in any other group. I didn't track who was doing it here, I just assumed it was all from the same person. I use Thunderird to read newsgroups. If you are already using eternal-september it is easy to set up and work pretty well. I wish I could figure out how to filter people so their posts are moved to an "ignore" folder. I can delete their posts, but sometimes it is useful to read them if an interesting thread comes up. I'm not to the point where I refuse to read people's threads, I'd just like to have the option to change my mind on a per-message basis. Otherwise I am pretty happy with T-bird. rickman, I use Thunderbird also, and just mark the filtered posts as "read". That way when I go through unread messages it skips over them, yet I can go back to them if I want. -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry, AI0K ================== |
No antennae radiate all the power fed to them!
On 11/3/2014 9:06 PM, wrote:
On Monday, November 3, 2014 7:59:14 PM UTC-6, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 11/3/2014 8:52 PM, wrote: On Monday, November 3, 2014 7:40:01 PM UTC-6, rickman wrote: On 11/3/2014 8:10 PM, wrote: On Monday, November 3, 2014 5:44:43 PM UTC-6, rickman wrote: On 11/3/2014 6:20 PM, wrote: On Monday, November 3, 2014 3:49:05 PM UTC-6, Jerry Stuckle wrote: There's an old saying: "Don't wrestle with a pig. You only get dirty and the pig enjoys it." I enjoy wrestling with pigs. It's good wholesome entertainment for the whole family. :) Actually the saying is, "you both get dirty, but the pig enjoys it." Do you enjoy getting dirty with the pig? The rest of us don't like watching. In reality you are just embarrassing yourself just as Gareth is. Gareth doesn't realize it (being the pig). Do you? -- Rick I have not said anything to embarrass myself. And even if I did, what's it to you? As I've said before, I find you to be a bigger horses ass than Gareth. He's just silly and ignorant. You on the other hand are an arrogant horses ass who seems to think that I should really care what you think. When I need someone like you to tell me how to post, I'll let you know. Don't hold your breath waiting, unless you want to end up tango uniform. I've been here for at least 15 years, and until you came along, no one has had any issues with any of my posts. Ever. So it sounds like a definite personal problem to me. Ok, you seem to like the drama as much a Gareth. I guess you are two cut from the same cloth and there is no point in trying to reason with you. -- Rick You jackass. The only one stirring the "drama" is you. This is what people like you don't understand. I may proke and prod people, but I do it in a calm orderly military manner. So calm, that I can heckle people, and most of the time they don't even realize that I'm heckling them. It's only idiots like you that try to convert calm orderly heckling into what you call "drama". You really are a piece of work.. All this because I conversed with Gareth about books.. :| ****. Leave me alone. Go tend to your own business and leave me out of it. BTW, I know a good bit about small loops, but you are such a prick, I decided to leave you to your own devices when you first made the post about it. No, rickman isn't the only one who considers you a drama queen. You've been here 15 years? I've got over 20 on you, since this was arpanet. I've seen jackasses like you come and go. I prefer when they go. There's a word for people who heckle others, trying to elicit a response. It's TROLL. I'm talking about this particular rraa group. I don't try to elicit a response, and what I call heckling is likely not what you think it is. I only "heckle" people who spew bafflegab as if it were etched in stone fact, and then try to tell everyone else they are the ones who need to read books. Like Gareth. Like Art Unwin. And a few others through the years. The vast majority of my posts are quite boring.. And show me posts where I've acted like a drama queen. I'd like to see them. Any of Big G's posts you respond to are drama - it's exactly what he wants. By your own admission, you're trolling. And trolls are not welcome here; keep it up and the regulars will plonk you, and the only one who will respond to you is Big G. -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry, AI0K ================== |
No antennae radiate all the power fed to them!
On Monday, November 3, 2014 8:36:23 PM UTC-6, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
Any of Big G's posts you respond to are drama - it's exactly what he wants. It's only drama to you and Rick. Not to me. It's just another day on rraa to me.. By your own admission, you're trolling. And trolls are not welcome here; keep it up and the regulars will plonk you, and the only one who will respond to you is Big G. I don't need anyone to respond to me. So I don't care if the whole frigging group plonks me. |
No antennae radiate all the power fed to them!
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
snip You've been here 15 years? I've got over 20 on you, since this was arpanet. That would be over 35 years, which would be a great accomplishment as USENET is only 34 years old. Conceived by Tom Truscott and Jim Ellis in 1979 and established in 1980. -- Jim Pennino |
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