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[email protected] November 4th 14 03:14 AM

No antennae radiate all the power fed to them!
 
Jerry Stuckle wrote:

I use Thunderbird also, and just mark the filtered posts as "read".
That way when I go through unread messages it skips over them, yet I can
go back to them if I want.


Real USENET users access news with tin running in an ASCII X11 terminal
window running on Unix.



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Jerry Stuckle November 4th 14 03:33 AM

No antennae radiate all the power fed to them!
 
On 11/3/2014 12:37 PM, wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 11/2/2014 6:11 PM,
wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 11/2/2014 3:58 PM,
wrote:
Lostgallifreyan wrote:
wrote in :

Apples and oranges; we already know what will happen if one were to
build an antenna from a superconductor.

Fire up EZNEC and set material loss to zero; done.


Yeah, anyone with a map could say a great deal about the shape of West Africa
based on ocean travel.

Again, apples and oranges as we know EXACTLY and in DETAIL what would happen.

My point isn't so much about antennas, as about
exploring the easy availability of cold environments for superconductors in
space.

Easy availability measured in thousands of dollars an ounce to get
stuff there.

Not having to lug heavy coolers up there might be an offer someone
cannot refuse, and that someone might come back with all kinds of
discoveries, things no models or predictions are going out there to find.

The only thing that makes a superconductor different is the lack of
resistance.

We already know exactly what that means and what we would do with them
if room temperature superconcductors were available.

Here are a couple of things: electric motors and generators that would
be very close to 100% efficient, small, light, and lossless power
transmission lines, lossless transformers, big honking magnets.


It's a little more than just no resistance. For instance,
superconductors will "reflect" (for lack of a better word) a magnetic
field. That's now a superconducting disk will levitate over a magnetic
field. So just setting the resistance to zero doesn't necessarily cut
it. There are other things to consider which EZNIC may not handle properly.

Such as?

In regards to magnetic levitation, a super conductor is a perfect
diamagnet due to the Meissner effect.

None of that has anything to do with antennas.

http://hyperphysics.phy-astr.gsu.edu...ds/maglev.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_levitation


Are you sure? I haven't seen anything one way or the other on it -
although I'm sure it's been studied.

Can you point at some studies to that effect?


Start with the two links, follow the internal links.



I didn't see a lot on antennas and EM fields in your references or their
links. However, I did fine another very interesting link:

http://ecjones.org/hightc.html

A good article, and not too long. But if you want the gist, scroll down
to where he built a 2 foot antenna for 160 meters in paragraph II.5.

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Jerry Stuckle November 4th 14 03:34 AM

No antennae radiate all the power fed to them!
 
On 11/3/2014 10:09 PM, wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote:

snip

You've been here 15 years? I've got over 20 on you, since this was
arpanet.


That would be over 35 years, which would be a great accomplishment
as USENET is only 34 years old.

Conceived by Tom Truscott and Jim Ellis in 1979 and established in 1980.



Rounding, stoopid.

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Jerry Stuckle November 4th 14 03:37 AM

No antennae radiate all the power fed to them!
 
On 11/3/2014 10:14 PM, wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote:

I use Thunderbird also, and just mark the filtered posts as "read".
That way when I go through unread messages it skips over them, yet I can
go back to them if I want.


Real USENET users access news with tin running in an ASCII X11 terminal
window running on Unix.


No, REAL USENET users use a program which properly threads messages
using a GUI to display threading.

Users stuck in the early 80's use tin running in an ASCII X11 terminal.

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[email protected] November 4th 14 06:02 AM

No antennae radiate all the power fed to them!
 
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 11/3/2014 10:14 PM, wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote:

I use Thunderbird also, and just mark the filtered posts as "read".
That way when I go through unread messages it skips over them, yet I can
go back to them if I want.


Real USENET users access news with tin running in an ASCII X11 terminal
window running on Unix.


No, REAL USENET users use a program which properly threads messages
using a GUI to display threading.


Tin shows threads in ASCII just fine.



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gareth November 4th 14 09:16 AM

No antennae radiate all the power fed to them!
 
wrote in message
...
I have not said anything to embarrass myself. And even if I did,
what's it to you? As I've said before, I find you to be a bigger
horses ass than Gareth. He's just silly and ignorant.


Having studied the subject at degree level, I fear that you
may be bull****ting to cover your own arse.



gareth November 4th 14 09:17 AM

No antennae radiate all the power fed to them!
 
"rickman" wrote in message
...
Ok, you seem to like the drama as much a Gareth.


I do not like drama.

I like technical excellence and adult discussion leading to it.



gareth November 4th 14 09:18 AM

No antennae radiate all the power fed to them!
 
"Brian Reay" wrote in message
...
Mostly people have remained calm but Evans will just keep going and going,
he
has nothing else to do. Judging by what he has posted, he spends his day
stirring and
playing Freecell (the game on Windows favoured by the mentally challenged
receptionist type).

You don't have to troll him, just don't respond to him directly, he really
doesn't like that and you can avoid having
to deal with his abuse. You can, should you wish, discuss a technical
topic
with civilised people. He will be 'standing at the classroom door' like a
disruptive pupil but just ignore him.





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gareth November 4th 14 09:20 AM

No antennae radiate all the power fed to them!
 
"Brian Reay" wrote in message
...
Mostly people have remained calm but Evans will just keep going and going,
he
has nothing else to do. Judging by what he has posted, he spends his day
stirring and
playing Freecell (the game on Windows favoured by the mentally challenged
receptionist type).
You don't have to troll him, just don't respond to him directly, he really
doesn't like that and you can avoid having
to deal with his abuse. You can, should you wish, discuss a technical
topic
with civilised people. He will be 'standing at the classroom door' like a
disruptive pupil but just ignore him.


Once again, brian, M3OSN, Old Man, you arrive out-of-the-blue with
completely false gratuitous abuse, but not contributing anything technical.

Why do you behave in such a childish manner?

Is it today because of your recent faux pas about Maxwell's Equations?



gareth November 4th 14 02:29 PM

No antennae radiate all the power fed to them!
 
"rickman" wrote in message
...
Ok, you seem to like the drama as much a Gareth.


Try to act your age, OM, and take responsibilty for your
own childish outbursts.




Jerry Stuckle November 4th 14 03:08 PM

No antennae radiate all the power fed to them!
 
On 11/4/2014 1:02 AM, wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 11/3/2014 10:14 PM,
wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote:

I use Thunderbird also, and just mark the filtered posts as "read".
That way when I go through unread messages it skips over them, yet I can
go back to them if I want.

Real USENET users access news with tin running in an ASCII X11 terminal
window running on Unix.


No, REAL USENET users use a program which properly threads messages
using a GUI to display threading.


Tin shows threads in ASCII just fine.


Yes, but I must amend my statement. Only those stuck in the 1970's use
Tin in an ASCII X11 terminal. REAL USENET users have kept up with the
times.

I suppose you still use a BC-610 on HF, also.

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[email protected] November 4th 14 06:27 PM

No antennae radiate all the power fed to them!
 
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 11/4/2014 1:02 AM, wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 11/3/2014 10:14 PM,
wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote:

I use Thunderbird also, and just mark the filtered posts as "read".
That way when I go through unread messages it skips over them, yet I can
go back to them if I want.

Real USENET users access news with tin running in an ASCII X11 terminal
window running on Unix.


No, REAL USENET users use a program which properly threads messages
using a GUI to display threading.


Tin shows threads in ASCII just fine.


Yes, but I must amend my statement. Only those stuck in the 1970's use
Tin in an ASCII X11 terminal. REAL USENET users have kept up with the
times.


As there is zero advantage to interacting with an ASCII based application,
i.e. USENET, with a GUI and I often find myself somewhere where my only
connection is via a crappy VPN where a GUI is dog slow, ASCII is the
prefered method for me.

I suppose you still use a BC-610 on HF, also.


I did start out with a one tube, xtal transmitter and ARC-5 receiver, but
the current HF gear is:

TS-440 on semi-permanent loan to a new ham
TS-870 currently on backup status
TS-2000X main rig

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gareth November 4th 14 06:55 PM

No antennae radiate all the power fed to them!
 
wrote in message
...
TS-440 on semi-permanent loan to a new ham
TS-870 currently on backup status
TS-2000X main rig



Aaah .... a Cheque Booker (CBer) which explains the technical ignorance and
the rednecked abusive persona.



[email protected] November 4th 14 07:25 PM

No antennae radiate all the power fed to them!
 
gareth wrote:
wrote in message
...
TS-440 on semi-permanent loan to a new ham
TS-870 currently on backup status
TS-2000X main rig



Aaah .... a Cheque Booker (CBer) which explains the technical ignorance and
the rednecked abusive persona.


To make it worse, I didn't build my house, cars, or airplane myself either
though I have thought about building a kit airplane when I retire.

But I do build my own antennas for the most part and they work exactly
as predicted before building.



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Jim Pennino

gareth November 4th 14 09:15 PM

No antennae radiate all the power fed to them!
 
wrote in message
...
gareth wrote:
wrote in message
...
TS-440 on semi-permanent loan to a new ham
TS-870 currently on backup status
TS-2000X main rig



Aaah .... a Cheque Booker (CBer) which explains the technical ignorance
and
the rednecked abusive persona.


To make it worse, I didn't build my house, cars, or airplane myself either



Irrelevant as those do not represent your pursuits that are technically
based.



[email protected] November 4th 14 09:42 PM

No antennae radiate all the power fed to them!
 
gareth wrote:
wrote in message
...
gareth wrote:
wrote in message
...
TS-440 on semi-permanent loan to a new ham
TS-870 currently on backup status
TS-2000X main rig


Aaah .... a Cheque Booker (CBer) which explains the technical ignorance
and
the rednecked abusive persona.


To make it worse, I didn't build my house, cars, or airplane myself either



Irrelevant as those do not represent your pursuits that are technically
based.


Avaiation is not a technically bases pursuit, gas bag?



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Jim Pennino

[email protected] November 4th 14 09:56 PM

No antennae radiate all the power fed to them!
 
Brian Reay wrote:
wrote:
gareth wrote:
wrote in message
...
TS-440 on semi-permanent loan to a new ham
TS-870 currently on backup status
TS-2000X main rig


Aaah .... a Cheque Booker (CBer) which explains the technical ignorance and
the rednecked abusive persona.


To make it worse, I didn't build my house, cars, or airplane myself either
though I have thought about building a kit airplane when I retire.

But I do build my own antennas for the most part and they work exactly
as predicted before building.



Jim, Evans has owned or owns a raft of commercial radios, inc: FT101, F7?7,
FT221, FT817.... he has
bought homebrew equipment made by others but, as for actually building
radios, it seems to be vapour ware.
This is all supported by his own posts. He couldn't use the 101 due to not
having the manual, or some pages to
be exact, so wasn't able to tune the PA. Hard to believe I know but you can
check the archive.


I concider the choice of build versus buy to be based on price and performance
criteria.

For ham radio specifically, the cost to build a modern DSP based radio
would far execeed the cost of just buying one, even neglecting the
time it would take, not to mention the test equipment required to
align and calibrate it.

For antennas it is not quite as clear cut as sometimes the antenna I
want is not available commercially and/or the raw material costs in
small quantities is in the ball park of buying commercial.

As for airplanes, the airplane I would like to have is simply not
available as anything but a kit or used and I will not fly used kit
airplane unless I know a LOT about who built it.

Gareth is just a gas bag blowing hot air.


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Jim Pennino

Jerry Stuckle November 4th 14 10:06 PM

No antennae radiate all the power fed to them!
 
On 11/4/2014 4:56 PM, wrote:
snip
As for airplanes, the airplane I would like to have is simply not
available as anything but a kit or used and I will not fly used kit
airplane unless I know a LOT about who built it.


I wouldn't fly a kit plane anyone put together - especially if it was
me! I have pretty good electronic skills, but my mechanical skills are
sorely lacking. I wouldn't trust it.

Gareth is just a gas bag blowing hot air.



Renewable energy resource for a hot air balloon?

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[email protected] November 4th 14 10:35 PM

No antennae radiate all the power fed to them!
 
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 11/4/2014 4:56 PM, wrote:
snip
As for airplanes, the airplane I would like to have is simply not
available as anything but a kit or used and I will not fly used kit
airplane unless I know a LOT about who built it.


I wouldn't fly a kit plane anyone put together - especially if it was
me! I have pretty good electronic skills, but my mechanical skills are
sorely lacking. I wouldn't trust it.


As I worked my way through college as an avionics technician, which at
times included things like major modificatons to aircraft, I have faith
in my abilities.

I also used to own and maintain British sports cars, or British road
oilers as we in the US call them.

Gareth is just a gas bag blowing hot air.

Renewable energy resource for a hot air balloon?


From what I hear about his stature, it would take a huge balloon to
lift him, but he does seem to have an unlimited supply of hot air.




--
Jim Pennino

gareth November 4th 14 11:02 PM

No antennae radiate all the power fed to them!
 
"Brian Reay" wrote in message
...
Jim, Evans has owned or owns a raft of commercial radios, inc: FT101,
F7?7,
FT221, FT817.... he has
bought homebrew equipment made by others but, as for actually building
radios, it seems to be vapour ware.
This is all supported by his own posts. He couldn't use the 101 due to not
having the manual, or some pages to
be exact, so wasn't able to tune the PA. Hard to believe I know but you
can
check the archive.


That's not true, as you well know. I chose not to tune it without the manual
as when I obtained it, it was in pristine condition desite being 30 years
old.
I had plenty of previous experience in tuning other TXs, starting with the
KW2000E that G3UOE had in my time there.

Why do you spend to much time in originating abusive material? Why not
contribute your technical expertise, such as your knowledge of Maxwell's
Equations?

No reason why a real radio amateur, a home brewer, should not also pick
up old rigs out of interest.




gareth November 4th 14 11:05 PM

No antennae radiate all the power fed to them!
 
wrote in message
...
As I worked my way through college as an avionics technician, which at
times included things like major modificatons to aircraft, I have faith
in my abilities.


Then there's your problem, in a nutshell. You are not an engineer
but merely an uppity technician, with the redneck personality that
distinguishes technicians from polite and professional engineers.

Technicians are taught a few "facts", largely fairy stories, but
are not taught the understanding that goes with being a varsity man.




[email protected] November 4th 14 11:18 PM

No antennae radiate all the power fed to them!
 
gareth wrote:
wrote in message
...
As I worked my way through college as an avionics technician, which at
times included things like major modificatons to aircraft, I have faith
in my abilities.


Then there's your problem, in a nutshell. You are not an engineer
but merely an uppity technician, with the redneck personality that
distinguishes technicians from polite and professional engineers.


What part of "worked my way through college" did you not understand,
gas bag?

Technicians are taught a few "facts", largely fairy stories, but
are not taught the understanding that goes with being a varsity man.


What part of "worked my way through college" did you not understand,
gas bag?

What is your degree and was it on papyrus, gas bag?


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Jim Pennino

[email protected] November 4th 14 11:25 PM

No antennae radiate all the power fed to them!
 
gareth wrote:
"Brian Reay" wrote in message
...
Jim, Evans has owned or owns a raft of commercial radios, inc: FT101,
F7?7,
FT221, FT817.... he has
bought homebrew equipment made by others but, as for actually building
radios, it seems to be vapour ware.
This is all supported by his own posts. He couldn't use the 101 due to not
having the manual, or some pages to
be exact, so wasn't able to tune the PA. Hard to believe I know but you
can
check the archive.


That's not true, as you well know. I chose not to tune it without the manual
as when I obtained it, it was in pristine condition desite being 30 years
old.


Translation: Having both a PLATE and LOADING control was too difficult
to figure out in spite of there being band markings on the PLATE
control and he was too stupid to figure out how to download a manual
for free.


--
Jim Pennino

Jerry Stuckle November 5th 14 02:30 AM

No antennae radiate all the power fed to them!
 
On 11/4/2014 5:35 PM, wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 11/4/2014 4:56 PM,
wrote:
snip
As for airplanes, the airplane I would like to have is simply not
available as anything but a kit or used and I will not fly used kit
airplane unless I know a LOT about who built it.


I wouldn't fly a kit plane anyone put together - especially if it was
me! I have pretty good electronic skills, but my mechanical skills are
sorely lacking. I wouldn't trust it.


As I worked my way through college as an avionics technician, which at
times included things like major modificatons to aircraft, I have faith
in my abilities.


Even if I were an avionics technician (which I am not), I still wouldn't
trust myself to put together a kit. Avionics don't generally require
major modifications to the wings, tail or controls, for instance.

Besides - I'm old enough now that by the time I finished it, I'd be
dead. But even when I was younger, I wouldn't have done it.

Give me a Cherokee Warrior (my favorite), Arrow (second favorite) or
Cessna Skyhawk (better for SAR) and I'm happy. :)

I also used to own and maintain British sports cars, or British road
oilers as we in the US call them.

Gareth is just a gas bag blowing hot air.

Renewable energy resource for a hot air balloon?


From what I hear about his stature, it would take a huge balloon to
lift him, but he does seem to have an unlimited supply of hot air.


Very true :)

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[email protected] November 5th 14 03:12 AM

No antennae radiate all the power fed to them!
 
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 11/4/2014 5:35 PM, wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 11/4/2014 4:56 PM,
wrote:
snip
As for airplanes, the airplane I would like to have is simply not
available as anything but a kit or used and I will not fly used kit
airplane unless I know a LOT about who built it.


I wouldn't fly a kit plane anyone put together - especially if it was
me! I have pretty good electronic skills, but my mechanical skills are
sorely lacking. I wouldn't trust it.


As I worked my way through college as an avionics technician, which at
times included things like major modificatons to aircraft, I have faith
in my abilities.


Even if I were an avionics technician (which I am not), I still wouldn't
trust myself to put together a kit. Avionics don't generally require
major modifications to the wings, tail or controls, for instance.


Things were a lot more lax then they are now.

I've done a lot of airframe modifications to hang off things like
cameras, radars, spot lights, strange antennas, and atmospheric sensors
as well as ripped out and remade entire panels on old airplanes so modern
avionics and instruments could be installed.

Back then all that was required was my signature in the appropriate
logbook with a summary of the work and a new weight and balance.

Today the required paperwork is unbelievable.

Besides - I'm old enough now that by the time I finished it, I'd be
dead. But even when I was younger, I wouldn't have done it.

Give me a Cherokee Warrior (my favorite), Arrow (second favorite) or
Cessna Skyhawk (better for SAR) and I'm happy. :)


Grumman Tiger.


--
Jim Pennino

Jerry Stuckle November 5th 14 04:18 AM

No antennae radiate all the power fed to them!
 
On 11/4/2014 10:12 PM, wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 11/4/2014 5:35 PM,
wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 11/4/2014 4:56 PM,
wrote:
snip
As for airplanes, the airplane I would like to have is simply not
available as anything but a kit or used and I will not fly used kit
airplane unless I know a LOT about who built it.


I wouldn't fly a kit plane anyone put together - especially if it was
me! I have pretty good electronic skills, but my mechanical skills are
sorely lacking. I wouldn't trust it.

As I worked my way through college as an avionics technician, which at
times included things like major modificatons to aircraft, I have faith
in my abilities.


Even if I were an avionics technician (which I am not), I still wouldn't
trust myself to put together a kit. Avionics don't generally require
major modifications to the wings, tail or controls, for instance.


Things were a lot more lax then they are now.

I've done a lot of airframe modifications to hang off things like
cameras, radars, spot lights, strange antennas, and atmospheric sensors
as well as ripped out and remade entire panels on old airplanes so modern
avionics and instruments could be installed.

Back then all that was required was my signature in the appropriate
logbook with a summary of the work and a new weight and balance.

Today the required paperwork is unbelievable.

Besides - I'm old enough now that by the time I finished it, I'd be
dead. But even when I was younger, I wouldn't have done it.

Give me a Cherokee Warrior (my favorite), Arrow (second favorite) or
Cessna Skyhawk (better for SAR) and I'm happy. :)


Grumman Tiger.



Never flown a Grumman of any kind. I did get a bit of right seat time
in a Piper Seneca 6, however. A nice handling plane! Also some right
seat in a Bonanza, but wasn't as impressed.

Short story - I got my ticket in a Cherokee 140. Shortly after that, I
moved. When I checked out at the new FBO, they told me I could check
out in another 140 and be able to fly that, or in a Warrior and be able
to fly both. Of course I took the latter (only about $10/hr difference
back in the 70's). My first landing I set it up just as I would a 140
to touch down on the numbers - not thinking about the longer wingspan.

All I'll say is I'm glad I was on a runway for commercial jets. That
damn plane floated at 2' agl fir well over a thousand feed :) Seems a
lightly loaded warrior suffers from a lot of ground effect!

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gareth November 5th 14 09:21 AM

No antennae radiate all the power fed to them!
 
wrote in message
...
What part of "worked my way through college" did you not understand,
gas bag?
What part of "worked my way through college" did you not understand,
gas bag?
What is your degree and was it on papyrus, gas bag?


Grow up there, child



gareth November 5th 14 09:23 AM

No antennae radiate all the power fed to them!
 
wrote in message
...
Translation: Having both a PLATE and LOADING control was too difficult
to figure out in spite of there being band markings on the PLATE
control and he was too stupid to figure out how to download a manual
for free.


The web as we know it now was not available in 1994, and the landline
cost first to search for such a manual, and then to download it was
prohibitively
expensive.

Still, in your mental juggernaut of wishing to shuot insults, I guess that
the truth of what you say matters not to you?




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