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Ian Jackson[_2_] November 7th 14 02:04 PM

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In message ,
Lostgallifreyan writes



Eternal September is a namd


?

I have read
in contexts of posters naming some systems with a bad hit-rate for troll
sources.


Yes, RIP news.demon.co.uk.

ES is just fine. Freenews.netfront.net also works, as does nntp.aioe.org
(although take care with their well-intentioned rules). Even though they
say they don't carry binaries, ES certainly does allow access to a few
binary NGs, as does freenews.netfront.net.
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Jerry Stuckle November 7th 14 03:23 PM

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On 11/7/2014 5:58 AM, Lostgallifreyan wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote in news:m3h6rc$871$1@dont-
email.me:

The best thing to do is ignore him - it will make him madder, but the
lack of attention will drive him crazy.


If he's on BT he'll have to get another ISP. Same goes for Demon who have
already cancelled Usenet as BT are about to do. UK ISP's seem to be dropping
Usenet like a ton of ****, without advance warning of any worth, and maybe
all within a very few weeks of they haven't already done it. It seems to me
that maybe the recent rush of govt demands that they clean up the piracy uses
of Usenet, combined with ever increasing surveillance of ordinary people
means that the only cheap safe way for an ISP to avoid looking like it's
antagonistic to the new secret-policing style of UK government is to drop,
IMMEDIATELY, all subsystems that might make them look bad.

There may be more innocent explanations, like Usenet going to the dogs
generally, public perception genrally favouring forums on the web. Judging by
the recent squabbles here that is not hard to exaplain. Recent;ly, one night,
I say one silly thing ina post otherwise reasonable, and TWO people try to
jump down my throat. For a fleeting moment I was daft enough to think it
might be about me, but no, I just went silent, looked the next morning, and
those two people were at each other for most of the night in my absence!

Anyway, I won't be paying for Usenet, so I'll be out of those people's hair.
I'll jump before I'm pushed. If I can get an ISP with decent web hosting for
no greater cost than I am paying to BT now for a heavily capped service with
no web host, and very soon, no Usenet, I'll go as soon as I can.

It's been helpful to me to have access easily to some knowledgeable people
willing to post thoughts rapidly, in direct response to things I ask, and
I'll miss that. On the other hand, some of those people have pointed out that
good texts usually get a better guide to someone wanting an answer, if not as
immediately. Usually I just trawl the web and look for multiple sources
before whittling down to the best that works for me.

It looks like the net's good times are over, it's likely to get harder after
being easy for about ten years. I'm not going to try to speculate about why,
but I know that if Usenet is no longer possible without a lot of additional
expense equivalent to a new utility service, then I'm out.


There are plenty of free usenet servers out there. I use
eternal-september.org; no binary groups but that's fine with me. And
their retention policy is decent.

I suggest you try them out.

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Jerry Stuckle November 7th 14 03:26 PM

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On 11/7/2014 7:34 AM, Lostgallifreyan wrote:
Percy Picacity wrote in
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There are a number of good free text group newsservers, such as Eternal
September, and at least one paid-for one with a good reputation that
only costs 10GBP a year (news.individual.net). So I hope we don't have
to lose you.


Thankyou. :) I will look into it. Two caveats though... The one free one I
looked at so far isn't free if I want to post. The other is that the truly
free ones may be a haunt of trolls, Eternal September is a namd I have read
in contexts of posters naming some systems with a bad hit-rate for troll
sources. Ideally I'll try to find a paid service that is cheap, quiet, likely
to stay put for a long time, but I think my priority might best be that web
hosting. I mentioned a phase mod synthesiser in various posts when I could
indulge it the reference, and the editor on which the final product will be
based is tested working on all Win32 now, so it's time I started looking for
an ISP that can help me host it cheaply as part of main ISP provision to save
costs. I suspect they won't have Usenet, but I'll look at your suggestion of
news.individual.net, it may well be a lot better than what I saw last night..


I've been on eternal-september for years - since before they were
eternal-september (so long ago I've forgotten what their previous name
was - but then I'm old :) ) and never had a problem with them.

Sure, they go down occasionally (who doesn't?), but not often and not
for too long of a time. The only problem I've had with them recently is
about a week ago I couldn't access them because they were so busy (they
do limit connections to keep from overloading the server). But once
again, that's very seldom. It was just before I went to bed, and when I
tried in the morning the connection was fine. Just a spike when I
wanted in.

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Bernie November 7th 14 05:15 PM

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On Fri, 07 Nov 2014 06:46:17 -0600, Lostgallifreyan wrote:

Percy Picacity wrote in
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one paid-for one with a good reputation that only costs 10GBP a year
(news.individual.net).


That looks very good. The Germans also don't oblige the kinds of govt
prying mentaility the Brisitsh seem willing to accept, along with Google
intrusions and all the rest of it. I'll probably go with this one. Now,
if I could find a web host that looks this good... :) Got to be UK based
though. I'l askign Demon what they can offer, not yet heard back, but if
you or anyone can offer some suggestions, please do.


News individual net : https://news.individual.net/ Is very good and only
costs 10 EUR a year, so about £8. Also very reliable and very little spam.


gareth November 7th 14 06:00 PM

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"Brian Reay" wrote in message
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There are good, including moderated, Yahoo Groups where you can find
useful technical discussions- free of the nonsense we suffer on Usenet.
The trolls and stirrers like Evans aren't tolerated their and are either
excluded or their posts are rejected if they are offensive.
You can find specialist groups and general ones, between them you should
find your needs can be met.


Once again, you make a gratutously abusive and completely false remarks
about me,
and by so doing, make yourself the target of your own criticism.

Why do you behave like that?





rickman November 7th 14 06:07 PM

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On 11/7/2014 7:34 AM, Lostgallifreyan wrote:
Percy Picacity wrote in
:

There are a number of good free text group newsservers, such as Eternal
September, and at least one paid-for one with a good reputation that
only costs 10GBP a year (news.individual.net). So I hope we don't have
to lose you.


Thankyou. :) I will look into it. Two caveats though... The one free one I
looked at so far isn't free if I want to post. The other is that the truly
free ones may be a haunt of trolls, Eternal September is a namd I have read
in contexts of posters naming some systems with a bad hit-rate for troll
sources.


What difference does it make if trolls use the same ISP for newsgroups
that you do? You use the same roads as every bank robber, no?

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rickman November 7th 14 06:12 PM

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On 11/7/2014 7:34 AM, Lostgallifreyan wrote:
Percy Picacity wrote in
:

There are a number of good free text group newsservers, such as Eternal
September, and at least one paid-for one with a good reputation that
only costs 10GBP a year (news.individual.net). So I hope we don't have
to lose you.


Thankyou. :) I will look into it. Two caveats though... The one free one I
looked at so far isn't free if I want to post. The other is that the truly
free ones may be a haunt of trolls, Eternal September is a namd I have read
in contexts of posters naming some systems with a bad hit-rate for troll
sources. Ideally I'll try to find a paid service that is cheap, quiet, likely
to stay put for a long time, but I think my priority might best be that web
hosting. I mentioned a phase mod synthesiser in various posts when I could
indulge it the reference, and the editor on which the final product will be
based is tested working on all Win32 now, so it's time I started looking for
an ISP that can help me host it cheaply as part of main ISP provision to save
costs. I suspect they won't have Usenet, but I'll look at your suggestion of
news.individual.net, it may well be a lot better than what I saw last night..


If you want to host a web site and can construct a web page, I can offer
you free hosting. I have an unlimited hosting account and provide
hosting service for several of my friends. Check out
coldwatersafety.org and wintercrestsearch.com. It costs me nothing
extra. You have to buy a domain name and I set up the hosting account
for you. The rest is in your hands. Just don't bring down the server
or they get ****ed at me.

Email me directly if you are interested.

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Rick

rickman November 7th 14 06:15 PM

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On 11/7/2014 10:26 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 11/7/2014 7:34 AM, Lostgallifreyan wrote:
Percy Picacity wrote in
:

There are a number of good free text group newsservers, such as Eternal
September, and at least one paid-for one with a good reputation that
only costs 10GBP a year (news.individual.net). So I hope we don't have
to lose you.


Thankyou. :) I will look into it. Two caveats though... The one free one I
looked at so far isn't free if I want to post. The other is that the truly
free ones may be a haunt of trolls, Eternal September is a namd I have read
in contexts of posters naming some systems with a bad hit-rate for troll
sources. Ideally I'll try to find a paid service that is cheap, quiet, likely
to stay put for a long time, but I think my priority might best be that web
hosting. I mentioned a phase mod synthesiser in various posts when I could
indulge it the reference, and the editor on which the final product will be
based is tested working on all Win32 now, so it's time I started looking for
an ISP that can help me host it cheaply as part of main ISP provision to save
costs. I suspect they won't have Usenet, but I'll look at your suggestion of
news.individual.net, it may well be a lot better than what I saw last night..


I've been on eternal-september for years - since before they were
eternal-september (so long ago I've forgotten what their previous name
was - but then I'm old :) ) and never had a problem with them.

Sure, they go down occasionally (who doesn't?), but not often and not
for too long of a time. The only problem I've had with them recently is
about a week ago I couldn't access them because they were so busy (they
do limit connections to keep from overloading the server). But once
again, that's very seldom. It was just before I went to bed, and when I
tried in the morning the connection was fine. Just a spike when I
wanted in.


I use eternal-september and I find they have trouble *very*
infrequently. The event a couple of weeks ago was not just being
overloaded. Their servers were still up, but the traffic dropped to
half it's usual level. They may have lost a portion of their servers or
they may have been under attack.

All in all I find them to be very workable.

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Rick

rickman November 7th 14 06:16 PM

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On 11/7/2014 7:46 AM, Lostgallifreyan wrote:
Percy Picacity wrote in
:

one paid-for one with a good reputation that
only costs 10GBP a year (news.individual.net).


That looks very good. The Germans also don't oblige the kinds of govt prying
mentaility the Brisitsh seem willing to accept, along with Google intrusions
and all the rest of it. I'll probably go with this one. Now, if I could find
a web host that looks this good... :) Got to be UK based though. I'l askign
Demon what they can offer, not yet heard back, but if you or anyone can offer
some suggestions, please do.


I am missing something. You are talking about posts that are available
for the entire world to see. How is "privacy" an issue?

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[email protected] November 7th 14 06:31 PM

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On Friday, November 7, 2014 4:58:19 AM UTC-6, Lostgallifreyan wrote:

There may be more innocent explanations, like Usenet going to the dogs
generally, public perception genrally favouring forums on the web.


Many ISP's did that in the US a long time ago. The main reason being it's
a pain and $$$ for them to maintain usenet, and I suppose the cost and hassle
is not worth it for them vs the fairly low amount of their users that actually
use usenet. In other words it's mainly about money. Or at least here in the
states. Comcast dropped it a few years ago. So I just use google groups, which
I had for a backup. I've actually got used to google groups and actually prefer
it to using a usenet server and a reader, which is T-bird in my case.
It's easier and faster to read the posts, where I can see all in a thread with
one click, without having to click through each post individually.

I also see all old archived posts in a thread, like the one's Gmailers often
reply to a decade or more after the original posts.. :|
I don't know what it is that provokes Gmailers to reply to posts so old it's
often a crapshoot if the OP is still alive or not, much less still active. :/
But if you some loon replying to a 15 year old post, it's almost certainly
a Gmailer, which I don't use.

Now I use aioe as a backup in case GG craps out, which they do every once
in a while. aioe is free same as ES.

BTW, I got my revenge on Comcast recently. I had triple play and movie
channels which the price kept going up, up, up, and I got tired of having
to renegotiate a new price every year, as I refused to pay their full bloated
prices.
So 3 months ago, I canceled everything but internet. My bill went from $165
a month to about $64 a month. It can be even cheaper if I dump their now $10 a
month gateway modem, and buy my own, which I plan to do when I get around to it.
It was $8 a month until 2 months ago.. :/

My speed is now slower from my previous appx 58 mbps, to my current 7.2 mbps,
or 15 mbps if I go in the unsecured xfinity back door using my laptop and
wi-fi, but even 7 mbps is fast enough for most of my uses. It's only been
three months, and I've already saved over $300.. Will save over $1200 a year.
That's what they get for provoking me with once a year greediness and price
scheme mayhem, which drove me up the wall every fall. :+



Bernie November 7th 14 07:34 PM

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On Fri, 07 Nov 2014 11:01:05 +0000, gareth wrote:

"Lostgallifreyan" wrote in message
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Once again a wall of text that has no relevance to amateur radio.


Once again a unpleasant snipe made just to make you feel better.

Lostgallifreyan November 7th 14 08:11 PM

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wrote in
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I don't know what it is that provokes Gmailers to reply to posts so old
it's often a crapshoot if the OP is still alive or not, much less still
active. :/


I plead guilty, though only a very few times. Sometimes when I'm on my own
with something and I find a rare old post that was after a similar thing, and
if I get lucky and pleased enough with my own answer I'll post it regardless
of age of the original, purely because it might have saved me some time if it
had already been there, and if I was lost in some archive backwater, someone
else might be, sometime, passing the same way. That huge retention is useful,
I know if I lose my saved posts from here, I can likely search my own handle
(is one reason it's chosen, it's likely unique) and the group name, and very
rapidly find what I lost.

I could use Google, but I just want to avoid them a bit. Can't really,
searches and all, but that's the point, they're so overwhelmingly present,
they don't need my encouragement, and the German firm that Percy and BErnie
posted about looks like a really good shot. In passing, I'll mention I just
got news back from Demon.net, and they quit doing web hosting for new
customers, and judnign by the quality of that German news.individual.net
recommendation, I'm hoping someone here knows a really good UK web host (got
to be on UK soil, if I sell stuff it realy pays for the source of it to be
under UK law directly, in case of trouble).

You're likely right about money as basis for usenet cuts, I just thought it
odd that two ISP's do it within weeks at a time when the govt is full of fire
and thunder about sweeping rights it grants GCHQ to spy on us all on what
amounts to thought police suspicions (Theresa May, Home Office minister,
overtly states she wantsa far more sweeping powers to spy on the lot of us at
random and at will, and the nation is in no serious mood to resist the Tories
so it will probably happen). I'm not going to assume this lot are innocent
till proven guilty while they perist in treating us as if we're guilty until
proven innocent!

I'd like to cancel the extras as you did, but BT won't let me. :) The only
thing I can do is jump ship. The UK is full of take-it-or-leave-it deals like
this, because each firm assumes that all the rest will offer nothign better
anyway. Some do though, it's just hard to find them. Several seem to be ok
with raw net access, not so hot for web hosting. That used to be hard to
avoid! Now I can't find anything good, quiet, economical. I may have to get
it separately, but that's NEVER economical.. On the other hand, I could get a
steady web host, then jump ship every 12 months for net access to use the
really cheap deals, but I don't want to, having a new modem every 12 months
seems like a recipe for trouble every year..

I don't mind paying extra if I find a firm who isn't going to screw me after
the first 12 months. For example, Virgin Media bought the first ISP I used,
servie fell through the floor, fast, I felt like a cow caught in the back of
a truck they bought! YEARS later, they are still sending me expensive
merchandising twice a month, no doubt at huge expense, paid for by all the
othe poor sods who remain captive. A small business class ISP in the UK might
be ideal, if they keep it simple and high quality. I just don't know if such
a deal even exists in thsi broken age of WEB2.

Lostgallifreyan November 7th 14 08:17 PM

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Bernie wrote in :

On Fri, 07 Nov 2014 11:01:05 +0000, gareth wrote:

"Lostgallifreyan" wrote in message
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Once again a wall of text that has no relevance to amateur radio.


Once again a unpleasant snipe made just to make you feel better.


I could pretend I never saw the original, but I think I should state my case:

Off-topic, spam, and abuse are very separate things. If people are off-topic
but constructive, doing ANYTHING that helps people to stay around, then it is
probably a good thing. Sure, there will be some who drily complain of wading
though all the off-topic posts to find the posts they want, but if the
alternative is a group so uncomfortable that no-one stays, where are those
posts?!

Maybe if people have some kind of group where those into electronics, radio
and such can hang out and feel like it's worth hanging around on Usenet, that
could solve both problems. What will solve nether is sitting on the sidelines
carping and trying to trip people up.

For the record, I won;'t argue or fight about this, not with anyone. I'm not
interested. If people give me a hard time I'll just go quiet, and if it looks
like it won't end if I write again, I'll leave. If enough people do that, the
trolls and their beaters will be in their own self-made heaven. Of course, if
it NOT heaven, they know what they can do to change it.

Bernie November 7th 14 08:29 PM

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On Fri, 07 Nov 2014 14:17:59 -0600, Lostgallifreyan wrote:

Bernie wrote in :

On Fri, 07 Nov 2014 11:01:05 +0000, gareth wrote:

"Lostgallifreyan" wrote in message
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Once again a wall of text that has no relevance to amateur radio.


Once again a unpleasant snipe made just to make you feel better.


I could pretend I never saw the original, but I think I should state my
case:


You are who you are. Gareth is a confused projection of who he wishes he
was. I have no authority here, and little anywhere else, but to me you
never seem to be an disruptive poster.

As I said, no authority, just my thoughts.


Lostgallifreyan November 7th 14 08:55 PM

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Bernie wrote in :

I have no authority here, and little anywhere else, but to me you
never seem to be an disruptive poster.


I think everyone has at least some autority. :) Anyway, if I do get
disruptive, and people tell me, I'll be able to gauge how true it is by
seeing who tells me based on how they do things the rest of the time.
I'll admit having nothign much on antennas to talk about right now, it's not
something I do all the time, and other things take over too.. I just tend to
hang out in one place at a time, even on Usenet, but I will tone it down if
it annoys people when I go off-topic. Right now it's fair game though, given
the thread subject and first post. The general issue beign what it might take
to make this group thrive without antagonism. The fact that it's not
moderated might even be in its favour, though I think there is scope for a
moderated group too. Each might help the other exist.

[email protected] November 7th 14 09:39 PM

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On Friday, November 7, 2014 2:11:58 PM UTC-6, Lostgallifreyan wrote:

Several seem to be ok
with raw net access, not so hot for web hosting.


I guess it depends how much room for a website you need.
Comcast is fairly good in that regard. I have up to 7 email
addresses, and each one gets up to 1 GB of storage room.
So I have 7 GB on the various addresses, which can be linked to
from my main site address if needed.

So I have plenty enough room for the puny website I have,
and also enough room that I can store all my images, videos,
etc, on my own server, without having to use the various photo
storage sites, etc. But I've gone to youtube for most of my
videos as they are usually HD now and take a good bit of room.
Most are videos of artificial aircraft I work on and fly..

As an example.. I posted this to another forum last night,
and it's stored on my own server.
A tree rat I took a picture of at the dirt patch last week..
http://home.comcast.net/~disk200/trickrtreat.jpg

But I realize many ISP's are kind of skimpy on storage room.
When I was with WT.met, I think I only got 5 MB at that time,
which was fairly puny. I don't know if they are still around
now, or what they offer now if they are.
I stick with cable as far as internet, because as far as speed,
they smoke all other options in this town. You pay for it,
but it's pretty speedy.


Lostgallifreyan November 7th 14 10:26 PM

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wrote in news:68feb55d-6886-41af-981f-
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A tree rat I took a picture of at the dirt patch last week..
http://home.comcast.net/~disk200/trickrtreat.jpg


Nice. We call them squirrels here, assuming it's the same species. Red ones
are rare, but populations slowly reviving fron Scotland back into England.
Maybe some in north Wales too.

Your own server... as in at home, direct;y accessed via the web? I could do
that, if an ISP allows it. Main need isn't the larger, slower kind I used to
use and get with Blueyonder, a tiny but fast one is better. My programs will
be extremely small for what they do. Native Instruments FM7 was about 16MB at
least, mine will be 100K max, maybe less UPX'd, small size will save me money
in bandwidth if it gets popular, because I'll aim for low cost to get more
buyers. I'm considering a script to patch each copy with a unique pattern but
that might be pointless, better reserved for a later more elaborate version
that costs more and likely attracts less people.

Skimpy storage would be ok for me though, if I can have it fast and so I
never have to worry about it being available if my own stuff isn't working. I
did look at web hosts some time last year, but they all seem to offer
bewildering scripting options. Too many parts to go wrong, too many things to
be hacked by people who know lots more than me. I can write good code, but
I'd rather rip all that extra stuff out, so I'd need a host that lets me do
that. :)

[email protected] November 7th 14 10:50 PM

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On Friday, November 7, 2014 4:26:42 PM UTC-6, Lostgallifreyan wrote:
wrote in news:68feb55d-6886-41af-981f-
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A tree rat I took a picture of at the dirt patch last week..
http://home.comcast.net/~disk200/trickrtreat.jpg


Nice. We call them squirrels here, assuming it's the same species. Red ones
are rare, but populations slowly reviving fron Scotland back into England.
Maybe some in north Wales too.


They call them squirrels here too, but being as I'm a petulant troublemaker..
:/


Your own server... as in at home, direct;y accessed via the web? I could do
that, if an ISP allows it.


Nope. It's their server which I directly access via the web. "ftp" actually..
I have the hard drive room to be my own server, but not sure how I would
be able to rig it to be ftp or web accessed. It could probably be done,
but no point with what I have at Comcast.
I'm running 5 large drives in this box at the moment.. I think 7-8 TB
or so.. Some of that is for backup of other drives content in case
a drive goes kaput. I don't use any cloud backup schemes.
Even with 7-8 TB worth of drives, I only have about 110 GB free at the moment.
And I have other drives which are loaded up, but I don't use any more due
to them being small drives compared to today's standards.



Lostgallifreyan November 8th 14 10:21 AM

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rickman wrote in :

On 11/7/2014 10:26 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:


I've been on eternal-september for years - since before they were
eternal-september (so long ago I've forgotten what their previous name
was - but then I'm old :) ) and never had a problem with them.

Sure, they go down occasionally (who doesn't?), but not often and not
for too long of a time. The only problem I've had with them recently
is about a week ago I couldn't access them because they were so busy
(they do limit connections to keep from overloading the server). But
once again, that's very seldom. It was just before I went to bed, and
when I tried in the morning the connection was fine. Just a spike when
I wanted in.


I use eternal-september and I find they have trouble *very*
infrequently. The event a couple of weeks ago was not just being
overloaded. Their servers were still up, but the traffic dropped to
half it's usual level. They may have lost a portion of their servers or
they may have been under attack.

All in all I find them to be very workable.


Thanks both of you, I'll look at them too, it sounds like I could easily live
with any bother of that small magnitude. BT had funny habits even while they
did have Usenet, the biggest being that sometimes I'd see 'Autorisation
Required'. First time, that was a noodle-baker. It happens if they change the
IP (is dynamic) and I end up with one from a block that is not granted usenet
access with Giganews, who BT had contract with. Usually, disconnect - wait -
reconnect works, if that fails, restart hub.

Lostgallifreyan November 8th 14 10:27 AM

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Ian Jackson wrote in
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ES is just fine.


Three recommendations now, so ok. Thanks. If trolls and spammers used it
enough that people here, as on s.e.d., blocked it outright to stop bulk
abuse, its reputation wouldn't get three recommendations here, I'd more
likely see comments related to what I just said. I've definitely seen such
about aioe though, I was active in a group for some time while it was
happening, so I won't use that one while there are at least two likely better
choices.

Lostgallifreyan November 8th 14 10:31 AM

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rickman wrote in :

What difference does it make if trolls use the same ISP for newsgroups
that you do? You use the same roads as every bank robber, no?


Sure. :) Thing is, if some of the people most able to help are blocking a
whole server in bulk, it's only after several other people have tried, that
those people even see the initial question, fragmented perhaps, in their
quotes. And then they'd not see any replies to their posts unless they
specfically un-blacklisted me. Given that some people would rather block-ban
a server with a known abuse record, it may be unlikely they'll want to mess
with individual filters to allow a poster from such a host, unless VERY
convinced to do so. Given the poor cooms, it could be tough being that
convincing. :) Better for me to select my usenet host carefully from the off.

Mike Tomlinson November 8th 14 10:34 AM

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En el artículo , rickman
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Well, if he is mentally ill, then by all means let's insult and make fun
of him.


He isn't mentally ill, just a sociopath with a nasty vindictive streak.

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Lostgallifreyan November 8th 14 10:36 AM

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rickman wrote in :

If you want to host a web site and can construct a web page, I can offer
you free hosting. I have an unlimited hosting account and provide
hosting service for several of my friends. Check out
coldwatersafety.org and wintercrestsearch.com. It costs me nothing
extra. You have to buy a domain name and I set up the hosting account
for you. The rest is in your hands. Just don't bring down the server
or they get ****ed at me.


That's a really nice offer, but I think you're on US soil, no? As far as I
know, if I want to sell code, I'll be undr UK law, and things like physical
sources matter a great deal in law, which I barely understand details of
anyway, so I need to reduce as many complications as possible. At the very
least, if I have to pay for legal service, it's bound to cost more if I need
extra help to manage US law for web based sales. Even if it may not matter at
one moment, I have heard of people finding that it can at another, and the
consistent advice I picked up was always host geographically under the same
law that you live under, until you need to do bulk trade that is served
better under another nation's law. I doubt I'll ever trade in bulk. :)

gareth November 8th 14 10:47 AM

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"Mike Tomlinson" wrote in message
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En el artículo , rickman
escribió:
Well, if he is mentally ill, then by all means let's insult and make fun
of him.

He isn't mentally ill, just a sociopath with a nasty vindictive streak.


Even after you have retired to the Canary Islands, you do not seem at all
happy
going by the bitterness and the "nasty vindictive streak" that you yourself
demonstrate.

Why not try talking about antennae instead of making a fool of yourself by
coming
across as a 5-year-old each time that you post to this NG?




Lostgallifreyan November 8th 14 10:51 AM

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rickman wrote in :

I am missing something. You are talking about posts that are available
for the entire world to see. How is "privacy" an issue?


The Germen one hides the IP. It's not a big deal in itself, it has more to do
with the attitude. :) The Germans don't like state, corporate or
extra-national intrusion into the lives of individual members of the public,
by default, The US and UK have recently been shown to be much less cautious,
willing to compromise rights and privacy rather than use cautious detective
work when dealing with internatiional crime, terrorism and such. My concern
with it basically that if I live in a nation that decides that they will no
longer protect my privacy, then I must do so myself. I don't have a lot to
hide if anything at all worth hiding, but what I do have is schizoid
personality disorder, which simply put is a pathological need to be alone, so
our current govt's methods are a source of great stress to me, and I try to
limit that cause as best I can. I'll feel better if and when the status quo
returns to a more healthy live-and-let-live attitude as it used to be.

Lostgallifreyan November 8th 14 11:00 AM

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wrote in
:

They call them squirrels here too, but being as I'm a petulant
troublemaker..
:/


He's fat too. :) Looks like he's preparing for a much tougher winter than we
get here.


Your own server... as in at home, direct;y accessed via the web? I
could do that, if an ISP allows it.


Nope. It's their server which I directly access via the web. "ftp"
actually..


That's what I need, I like basic FTP, which can be easily set up on Windows
machines if you use them. I use a small secur server called zFTPserver. I
used to share it with a few people, those times long gone, but it's still my
main way to shuttle big fast chunks of data between machines on a LAN. It's
so efficient that I never have problems with it running all the time. I've
tried others, but this one stayed. I think BSD, Linux and such have an FTP
server daemon in a base install, but likely disabled by default for security.

4TB is a LOT pf space! :) I have a few 400GB disks at best, but it works.
Still all PATA. I'll maybe aim to get somethign big on Firewire though, as a
bulk store, offline backup, and power saver.

Lostgallifreyan November 8th 14 11:02 AM

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Brian Reay wrote in :

There are good, including moderated, Yahoo Groups where you can find
useful technical discussions- free of the nonsense we suffer on Usenet.
The trolls and stirrers like Evans aren't tolerated their and are either
excluded or their posts are rejected if they are offensive.

You can find specialist groups and general ones, between them you should
find your needs can be met.


True, but I don't like the Yahoo walled garden approach, it aims to make
people think they own the Great Gateway to the Internet. To some extent I can
find useful postings from Yahoo anyway, because Google caches them. :)

Lostgallifreyan November 8th 14 11:05 AM

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Jerry Stuckle wrote in news:m3io53$1lt$1@dont-
email.me:

There are plenty of free usenet servers out there. I use
eternal-september.org; no binary groups but that's fine with me. And
their retention policy is decent.

I suggest you try them out.


That is four recommendations now, so I will. Allowing free posting would be
very convincing, even though the 10 EUR for the German firm per year is
easily bearable. I guess not hosting binaries is one way they can
dramatically reduce unwanted posters. I use Xnews to read stuff, so good
retention is helpful, and might be the decide between the two.

Wymsey[_2_] November 8th 14 11:23 AM

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On Sat, 08 Nov 2014 10:34:37 +0000, Mike Tomlinson wrote:

isn't mentally ill, just a sociopath


Oxymoron alert!

I imagine that you are using the word sociopath colloquially as the
condition *is* a mental illness.



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Mike Tomlinson November 8th 14 11:31 AM

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En el artículo , Wymsey
escribió:

I imagine that you are using the word sociopath colloquially as the
condition *is* a mental illness.


I defer to your superior knowledge of the subject, perhaps as a result
of personal experience :)

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rickman November 8th 14 04:02 PM

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On 11/8/2014 5:34 AM, Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artículo , rickman
escribió:

Well, if he is mentally ill, then by all means let's insult and make fun
of him.


He isn't mentally ill, just a sociopath with a nasty vindictive streak.


And does that make it ok to ridicule and berate him? The point of this
thread is that he alone can't do any real harm to this group. But all
the people who respond to him or post repeatedly about him do as much if
not more harm to the group.

Instead of rec.radio.amateur.antenna we should call it
rec.radio.amateur.Gareth to make more of the conversations on topic.

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rickman November 8th 14 04:07 PM

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On 11/8/2014 5:36 AM, Lostgallifreyan wrote:
rickman wrote in :

If you want to host a web site and can construct a web page, I can offer
you free hosting. I have an unlimited hosting account and provide
hosting service for several of my friends. Check out
coldwatersafety.org and wintercrestsearch.com. It costs me nothing
extra. You have to buy a domain name and I set up the hosting account
for you. The rest is in your hands. Just don't bring down the server
or they get ****ed at me.


That's a really nice offer, but I think you're on US soil, no? As far as I
know, if I want to sell code, I'll be undr UK law, and things like physical
sources matter a great deal in law, which I barely understand details of
anyway, so I need to reduce as many complications as possible. At the very
least, if I have to pay for legal service, it's bound to cost more if I need
extra help to manage US law for web based sales. Even if it may not matter at
one moment, I have heard of people finding that it can at another, and the
consistent advice I picked up was always host geographically under the same
law that you live under, until you need to do bulk trade that is served
better under another nation's law. I doubt I'll ever trade in bulk. :)


Ok. Then look around for low cost hosting. It really is not very
expensive these days. I think I'm paying around $50 a year and like I
said, the account is unlimited until you have bandwidth or storage that
would bring down the server.

They did once draw the line at a 2.5 TB map data base I was considering
hosting, lol.

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Garl!c November 8th 14 04:45 PM

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On 08/11/14 15:57, Mr On!on wrote:

Where is Yankland?

Near Berkshire. [fuset]

[email protected] November 8th 14 04:51 PM

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gareth wrote:
wrote in message
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As the above is just guesswork and there is no official diagnosis, at
this point we can concider him to be just a pain in the butt crank.
Perhaps if enough people pour onto him, he will take advantage of that
free health care in the UK and get himself checked out.


The advanced EM texts all describe the mechanism by which short
antennae are poor radiators.

How the once-technical Yankland descends into the abyss of
rednecked abusive ignorance!

Perhaps those legislators who tried to pass a law defining PI as
3 are now the cadre of those holding Ham licences in Yankland?


And yet again the gas bag of gas bags posts pure nonsense.

The tale of a legislature trying to pass a law to make pi 3 was
an April Fool's parody in 1998.

http://www.snopes.com/religion/pi.asp

It is not surprising the gas bag believes April Fool's parodies, old
wive's tales, urban legands, and other such nonsense.



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Lostgallifreyan November 8th 14 05:29 PM

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rickman wrote in :

Ok. Then look around for low cost hosting. It really is not very
expensive these days. I think I'm paying around $50 a year and like I
said, the account is unlimited until you have bandwidth or storage that
would bring down the server.

They did once draw the line at a 2.5 TB map data base I was considering
hosting, lol.


I bet they did. :) Even Google might give the look askance.

I've been reading a page on server location, and maybe it's not the issue I
thought it was. On the other hand that page had nothign to say about
encryption, for example a download of OpenBSD from US to US was (maybe still
is) not very legal, but is safe fetched from Canada. Who was at greatest risk
I don't know, but the OpenBSD people were careful to remind people of it for
many years.

What I'll do is look for a UK host with direct access to the link that goes
to satellite through Gonnhilly Downs in Cornwall, or the Lynx router in
London, failing that I may be ok with a US server, if I can find a good UK
software seller's precedent for similar use to guide me on any issues I
should know about.

gareth November 8th 14 05:39 PM

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"Mike Tomlinson" wrote in message
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He sent a malicious email to my employer insinuating I was a paedophile
in an attempt to get me the sack.


Untrue.

This is something he has done to different people on several previous
occasions. All they have done is call him out on his trolling, or have
the temerity to disagree with him, or more often, disprove his wild
theories that pay no heed to the laws of physics (cf. short antennas,
polarised resistors, etc. etc. etc.)


Untrue

Not to the group, no, but he can, has, and will, attempt to do real harm
to those with whom he takes issue. And like most trolls, he is thin-
skinned and takes offence very easily. Almost any criticism, however
mild, is classed as 'abuse' in his alternate universe.


Untrue

If you like. The man's a complete **** and is beneath contempt. He's
been trolling usenet since at least 1997. He's the sole reason we need
uk.radio.amateur.moderated, since he has destroyed uk.radio.amateur with
his machinations and is hell bent on doing the same here in rr.aa.


Untrue. The unpleasantness consistently comes from you, and is never
originated by me.

In uk.r.a a campaign called Project Shun is running, whereby Evans is
ignored. It's having a remarkable effect, which is why he's reduced to
trolling other groups since no one responds directly to him in uk.r.a
any more, depriving him of the attention he desperately craves. If
people just ignored him he'd **** off and infest some other blameless
group.


Untrue.




Lostgallifreyan November 8th 14 05:40 PM

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Lostgallifreyan wrote in
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US to US


to UK..

rickman November 8th 14 06:36 PM

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On 11/8/2014 12:29 PM, Lostgallifreyan wrote:
rickman wrote in :

Ok. Then look around for low cost hosting. It really is not very
expensive these days. I think I'm paying around $50 a year and like I
said, the account is unlimited until you have bandwidth or storage that
would bring down the server.

They did once draw the line at a 2.5 TB map data base I was considering
hosting, lol.


I bet they did. :) Even Google might give the look askance.

I've been reading a page on server location, and maybe it's not the issue I
thought it was. On the other hand that page had nothign to say about
encryption, for example a download of OpenBSD from US to US was (maybe still
is) not very legal, but is safe fetched from Canada. Who was at greatest risk
I don't know, but the OpenBSD people were careful to remind people of it for
many years.


I don't know what you are talking about. What is illegal about OpenBSD?
I'm pretty sure that if you are in the US, the legality of a download
has nothing to do with the location of the server. Heck, there are some
acts that even if you commit them in a foreign country open you to being
arrested when you return to the US (mostly sex crimes such as juvenile
offenses).


What I'll do is look for a UK host with direct access to the link that goes
to satellite through Gonnhilly Downs in Cornwall, or the Lynx router in
London, failing that I may be ok with a US server, if I can find a good UK
software seller's precedent for similar use to guide me on any issues I
should know about.


What the heck are you planning to post that you are worried about
governments? You are aware that all governments have a great many
things they wish to look at on the Internet, but only a very, very tiny
fraction that they feel the need to do anything about? The latter are
usually things that threaten national security or are heinous crimes in
virtually every country.

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rickman November 8th 14 06:37 PM

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On 11/8/2014 12:40 PM, Lostgallifreyan wrote:
Lostgallifreyan wrote in
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US to US


to UK..


You need to requote your post. I have no idea what context this has.

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gareth November 8th 14 07:16 PM

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"rickman" wrote in message
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The only thing it accomplishes is to soil this group just the same as his
posts.


Discussing aspects of antennae that interest me does NOT soil this NG,
unlike, however, the childish and abusive outbursts of you the Yank
rednecks.





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