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ratio. One guy posts some drivel and a bunch of lamers start pounding on him about it. The funny thing is they guy is posting just so he can argue with the lamers. Everyone can see what is going on, but this is what passes for fun in r.r.a.a. -- Rick |
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"rickman" wrote in message ... I think this group can be written off as too low a signal to noise ratio. One guy posts some drivel and a bunch of lamers start pounding on him about it. The funny thing is they guy is posting just so he can argue with the lamers. Everyone can see what is going on, but this is what passes for fun in r.r.a.a. The current activity on rraa shows that there are people out there reading the group postings. It could once again become an informative group if some new topics could be introduced. |
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On 11/4/2014 8:01 PM, rickman wrote:
I think this group can be written off as too low a signal to noise ratio. One guy posts some drivel and a bunch of lamers start pounding on him about it. The funny thing is they guy is posting just so he can argue with the lamers. Everyone can see what is going on, but this is what passes for fun in r.r.a.a. I agree with Brian. If people would stop encouraging (replying to) him, the S/N ratio would significantly decrease. Unfortunately, there are a few who want to encourage him. I don't mind if people talk *about* him - but people should stop responding to him. -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry, AI0K ================== |
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On 11/4/2014 9:38 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 11/4/2014 8:01 PM, rickman wrote: I think this group can be written off as too low a signal to noise ratio. One guy posts some drivel and a bunch of lamers start pounding on him about it. The funny thing is they guy is posting just so he can argue with the lamers. Everyone can see what is going on, but this is what passes for fun in r.r.a.a. I agree with Brian. If people would stop encouraging (replying to) him, the S/N ratio would significantly decrease. Unfortunately, there are a few who want to encourage him. I don't mind if people talk *about* him - but people should stop responding to him. Yeah, but those people like the drama as much as Gareth. I guess this group is just done for. -- Rick |
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On 11/4/2014 10:41 PM, rickman wrote:
On 11/4/2014 9:38 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 11/4/2014 8:01 PM, rickman wrote: I think this group can be written off as too low a signal to noise ratio. One guy posts some drivel and a bunch of lamers start pounding on him about it. The funny thing is they guy is posting just so he can argue with the lamers. Everyone can see what is going on, but this is what passes for fun in r.r.a.a. I agree with Brian. If people would stop encouraging (replying to) him, the S/N ratio would significantly decrease. Unfortunately, there are a few who want to encourage him. I don't mind if people talk *about* him - but people should stop responding to him. Yeah, but those people like the drama as much as Gareth. I guess this group is just done for. I wouldn't say so so quickly; just get people to stop responding to Big G. BTW - please let me know when the ukram vote comes up. I'm through with the know-it-alls in uknnc. -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry, AI0K ================== |
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On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 21:38:55 -0500, Jerry Stuckle
wrote: Unfortunately, there are a few who want to encourage him. I don't mind if people talk *about* him - but people should stop responding to him. I tried a little experiment to confirm my suspicions. I followed up with a reply to one of Gareth's assertions that agreed with him, and backed it up with a few contrived examples. I wanted to see what would happen if someone actually agreed with him. Predictably, I was ignored by Gareth, which demonstrates that he's only interested in starting and continuing an arguement. The endless banter revolving around Gareth also demonstrates that the more trivial the topic, the more attention it attracts: My appologies for being part of the problem, but it was an experiment that I just couldn't resist trying. -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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On Tue, 4 Nov 2014 17:12:05 -0800, "Wayne"
wrote: The current activity on rraa shows that there are people out there reading the group postings. It could once again become an informative group if some new topics could be introduced. I'm not so sure. I was following the discussion on 60KHz loop antennas with great interest, until it just faded away into several useless diversions. It should have gone into personal experiences, shielded vs unshielded loops, SPICE models (even if they are not totally accurate), theory of operation, performance tests, construction hints, etc. 46 messages by 9 individuals. For a topic that should easily have been considered a new and informative topic, it didn't attract 1/10th the attention of Gareth's muddled science fiction antenna theory. No, I don't think picking a good topic is going to help much. Self control might be more useful. -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 22:41:56 -0500, rickman wrote:
I guess this group is just done for. Not so fast. The two postings on your 60KHz loop question by Wim (PA3DJS) were well worth reading and certainly informative. I had no idea how to calculate the H field until he provided an example. Don't throw out the few good answers just because you dislike having to wade through a mountain of garbage. "At the bottom of every dumpster is a gem. It's only a question of how much garbage you're willing to sift through trying to find it". (Me about 1995). -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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"rickman" wrote in message
... I think this group can be written off as too low a signal to noise ratio. One guy posts some drivel and a bunch of lamers start pounding on him about it. The funny thing is they guy is posting just so he can argue with the lamers. Everyone can see what is going on, but this is what passes for fun in r.r.a.a. If this is your attempt to make an ad hominem attack on me, then you are quite wrong, but perhaps you are trying to rationalise your own abuse by claiming that I seek to be part of it? If that is the case, then you need to grow up and take responsibility for your own infantile outbursts. |
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"Brian Reay" wrote in message
... He is posting to cause disruption wreck the group, which is what he has nearly done. You are the only person posting abuse, as above. You repeatedly dive into these threads without any technical nous, only to post abuse. Why do you behave like that, and so intensely of late? Is it because you made a fool of yourself with respect to Maxwell's Equations and are desperately creating a smokescreen? If you all just blank him, don't respond to him, let him rant away to himself, he will eventually move on. He came here as he wasn't getting the attention he craves in uk.r.a, where he is being shunned. Once again, you rant one of your mantras which are completely untrue. |
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"Jeff Liebermann" wrote in message
... it didn't attract 1/10th the attention of Gareth's muddled science fiction antenna theory. No science fiction there, OM. Just because you don't understand the issues being raised is no excuse for you to join the class of babbling infants. |
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"Brian Reay" wrote in message
... I've seen this happen in normally unmoderated groups. Troll posts disruptive post, group owner gets complaints, puts troll on moderation list, troll is starved of attention, group recovers calm. True, troll is seething and ranting but no one cares. His anger becomes his own padded cell, with him bouncing around in it. Ignoring the troll has the same impact, as we've seen in uk.r.a, not to mention the impact of my ignoring Evans for extended periods. There has been no impact, for I continue to chastise you for being the unruly and disruptive attention seeker that you have always presented as. |
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"Jeff Liebermann" wrote in message
... I had no idea how to calculate the H field until he provided an example. And there is the ignorance declared, the ignorance that resulted in ad hominem comments elsewhere. |
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"Jeff Liebermann" wrote in message
... I tried a little experiment to confirm my suspicions. I followed up with a reply to one of Gareth's assertions that agreed with him, and backed it up with a few contrived examples. I wanted to see what would happen if someone actually agreed with him. Predictably, I was ignored by Gareth, which demonstrates that he's only interested in starting and continuing an arguement. You misunderstand what happened there. If you post so as to agree then no reply is appropriate. Did you want a pat on the head? |
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"Brian Reay" wrote in message
... That is what has happened in uk.r.a, there is a group (the usual suspects), who have similar motives to Evans and they act as 'cheer leaders' for him. Some of them have similar backgrounds, unsuccessful careers / long periods of unemployment, low technical ability, loners,... Brian ,M3OSN, Old Chap, that is a completely untrue mantra of yours, but the frequency with which you utter it suggests that perhaps you are suffering from some form of dementia? How about making a technical contribution to rra.antenna instead of just using it as a vehicle to vent your spleen on a daily basis? |
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"Brian Reay" wrote in message
... What has become your latest mantra over in uk.radio.amateur? Oh yes, here it is ... rude drivel snipped |
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On 11/5/2014 3:04 AM, Brian Reay wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote: I guess this group is just done for. I wouldn't say so so quickly; just get people to stop responding to Big G. I've seen this happen in normally unmoderated groups. Troll posts disruptive post, group owner gets complaints, puts troll on moderation list, troll is starved of attention, group recovers calm. True, troll is seething and ranting but no one cares. His anger becomes his own padded cell, with him bouncing around in it. But unmoderated groups have now "owner" and no "moderation lists", so it won't work here. Ignoring the troll has the same impact, as we've seen in uk.r.a, not to mention the impact of my ignoring Evans for extended periods. Yes, if only everyone would ignore him. -- Extend Sarah's Law, make sex offenders. wear. signs 24/7. BTW - your sig separator is broken. It should be hyphen-hyphen-space-newline. You're missing the space. -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry, AI0K ================== |
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"Brian Reay" wrote in message
... He is posting to cause disruption wreck the group, which is what he has nearly done. If you all just blank him, don't respond to him, let him rant away to himself, he will eventually move on. He came here as he wasn't getting the attention he craves in uk.r.a, where he is being shunned. Are you sure that you're not exhibiting Freudian Projection and talking about yourself, considering the criticism that you yourself have just received in uk.radio.amateur? ... -----ooooo----- "Spike" wrote in message ... On 05/11/14 10:00, Brian Reay wrote: Well, I take it we can add HF receiver performance to the list of things you either won't discuss, can't discuss, get wrong after a bout of googling, or resort to ad homs. Previous similar topics were torpedo warheads and BC221 frequency meters. |
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On 11/5/2014 12:11 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 22:41:56 -0500, rickman wrote: I guess this group is just done for. Not so fast. The two postings on your 60KHz loop question by Wim (PA3DJS) were well worth reading and certainly informative. I had no idea how to calculate the H field until he provided an example. Don't throw out the few good answers just because you dislike having to wade through a mountain of garbage. "At the bottom of every dumpster is a gem. It's only a question of how much garbage you're willing to sift through trying to find it". (Me about 1995). You come up with some gems now and then, like this one, lol. No, I'm not willing to wade through a mountain of crap to find one or two good posts. But maybe I am a bit shell shocked. I post on the s.e.d group and there are a fair number of true a-holes who would rather insult you than to answer one legitimate question. In response to your comment on the 60 kHz thread, I have done some spice simulation, mostly to estimate the Q of the antenna. I would be happy to post some info if you ask about it there. -- Rick |
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Brian Reay wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote: I guess this group is just done for. I wouldn't say so so quickly; just get people to stop responding to Big G. I've seen this happen in normally unmoderated groups. Troll posts disruptive post, group owner gets complaints, puts troll on moderation list, troll is starved of attention, group recovers calm. True, troll is seething and ranting but no one cares. His anger becomes his own padded cell, with him bouncing around in it. Ignoring the troll has the same impact, as we've seen in uk.r.a, not to mention the impact of my ignoring Evans for extended periods. I'm not so sure he is a troll but rather has mental health issues. I've seen similar behaviour from those in the early stages of Alzheimer's and if that is the issue, he won't be around for much longer. Or he could just be an ordinary nutter. -- Jim Pennino |
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On Wednesday, November 5, 2014 12:31:05 PM UTC-6, wrote:
Brian Reay wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: I guess this group is just done for. I wouldn't say so so quickly; just get people to stop responding to Big G. I've seen this happen in normally unmoderated groups. Troll posts disruptive post, group owner gets complaints, puts troll on moderation list, troll is starved of attention, group recovers calm. True, troll is seething and ranting but no one cares. His anger becomes his own padded cell, with him bouncing around in it. Ignoring the troll has the same impact, as we've seen in uk.r.a, not to mention the impact of my ignoring Evans for extended periods. I'm not so sure he is a troll but rather has mental health issues. I've seen similar behaviour from those in the early stages of Alzheimer's and if that is the issue, he won't be around for much longer. Or he could just be an ordinary nutter. -- Jim Pennino Once the mind starts to go, about 5 years is the average time left.. :( |
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... As the above is just guesswork and there is no official diagnosis, at this point we can concider him to be just a pain in the butt crank. Perhaps if enough people pour onto him, he will take advantage of that free health care in the UK and get himself checked out. The advanced EM texts all describe the mechanism by which short antennae are poor radiators. How the once-technical Yankland descends into the abyss of rednecked abusive ignorance! Perhaps those legislators who tried to pass a law defining PI as 3 are now the cadre of those holding Ham licences in Yankland? |
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rickman wrote:
(snipped for brevity) I'm not so sure he is a troll but rather has mental health issues. I've seen similar behaviour from those in the early stages of Alzheimer's and if that is the issue, he won't be around for much longer. Or he could just be an ordinary nutter. Well, if he is mentally ill, then by all means let's insult and make fun of him. He may just have been sitting to close to radiating feedlines! Sometimes I wonder if that is what is happening to me! :-) Irv VE6BP |
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On Wednesday, November 5, 2014 2:19:18 PM UTC-6, Irv Finkleman VE6BP wrote:
rickman wrote: (snipped for brevity) I'm not so sure he is a troll but rather has mental health issues. I've seen similar behaviour from those in the early stages of Alzheimer's and if that is the issue, he won't be around for much longer. Or he could just be an ordinary nutter. Well, if he is mentally ill, then by all means let's insult and make fun of him. He may just have been sitting to close to radiating feedlines! Sometimes I wonder if that is what is happening to me! :-) Irv VE6BP I've felt the effects of RF when sitting in my car, and having the antenna behind me on the trunk. That was when I was using a Chevy Monte Carlo.. And I tested it several times just to make sure it was not my imagination. I was also running CW, which of course is pretty steady power when actually transmitting. The effect was an uneasy feeling that is hard to describe. I'd feel it after transmitting a while, and it would go away if I quit.. Very weird, but I'm convinced it was not my imagination. I think that was on 80m if I remember right. |
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On 11/5/2014 3:25 PM, wrote: On Wednesday, November 5, 2014 2:19:18 PM UTC-6, Irv Finkleman VE6BP wrote: rickman wrote: (snipped for brevity) I'm not so sure he is a troll but rather has mental health issues. I've seen similar behaviour from those in the early stages of Alzheimer's and if that is the issue, he won't be around for much longer. Or he could just be an ordinary nutter. Well, if he is mentally ill, then by all means let's insult and make fun of him. He may just have been sitting to close to radiating feedlines! Sometimes I wonder if that is what is happening to me! :-) Irv VE6BP I've felt the effects of RF when sitting in my car, and having the antenna behind me on the trunk. That was when I was using a Chevy Monte Carlo.. And I tested it several times just to make sure it was not my imagination. I was also running CW, which of course is pretty steady power when actually transmitting. The effect was an uneasy feeling that is hard to describe. I'd feel it after transmitting a while, and it would go away if I quit.. Very weird, but I'm convinced it was not my imagination. I think that was on 80m if I remember right. I believe 80 m transmissions are right up there with cell phones and microwave ovens for causing cancer ,no? Until you get to a frequency that causes ionization all you get is heating effects. You don't get ionization until you get to around ultraviolet light. That is not to say the heating effects can't have bad effects on the human body, as they can, but cancer isn't one of them. -- Jim Pennino |
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On Wed, 05 Nov 2014 13:11:31 -0500, rickman wrote:
On 11/5/2014 12:11 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote: On Tue, 04 Nov 2014 22:41:56 -0500, rickman wrote: I guess this group is just done for. Not so fast. The two postings on your 60KHz loop question by Wim (PA3DJS) were well worth reading and certainly informative. I had no idea how to calculate the H field until he provided an example. Don't throw out the few good answers just because you dislike having to wade through a mountain of garbage. "At the bottom of every dumpster is a gem. It's only a question of how much garbage you're willing to sift through trying to find it". (Me about 1995). You come up with some gems now and then, like this one, lol. Thanks. I pickup such things on the well beaten path to enlightenment. I threw the following together last night to deal with a case of over-planning: "Those that only live in the past are never disappointed by the future because they make no plans. Those that live only for the promises of the future tend to forget the lessons of the past, and soon repeat them. Those that live only in the present have both problems." It looks like wisdom but it's really just a philosophy formula. take two diametrically opposed observations and follow them with a self contradictory conclusion. Once you know the trick, it's easy. Now, if I could only fix my crappy arithmetic. No, I'm not willing to wade through a mountain of crap to find one or two good posts. Well, that's fine. I tolerate considerable abuse before giving up. Many years ago, I was working as a 2way radio tech. My boss was a compulsive liar and somewhat of a crook. Most of what he told me had to be double checked before acting on it. However, I tolerated it because the few gems at the bottom of this dumpster were well worth my paying attention. It was low efficiency operation, but I was willing to pay the price. But maybe I am a bit shell shocked. I post on the s.e.d group and there are a fair number of true a-holes who would rather insult you than to answer one legitimate question. Again, don't pass judgment on the person if the information is worthwhile. Phil Allison in s.e.d is a good example. With few exceptions, his opinions and info are quite good and accurate. He can often see what others have missed or have ignored. I value that, even when it arrives mixed with personal abuse, denunciations, profanity, and character assassinations. In response to your comment on the 60 kHz thread, I have done some spice simulation, mostly to estimate the Q of the antenna. I would be happy to post some info if you ask about it there. A new WWVB shielded magnetic loop is certainly on my agenda and I do plan to ask questions. However, I'll probably do it on the Time-Nuts mailing list, which has more RF people. Incidentally, I don't believe using a high impedance loop and amp are good ideas. While there are benefits, my experiences from the marine radio biz convinced me that high voltage is an invitation to problems from condensation, salt fog, and PCB leakage. In other words, it works on the bench, but craps out in the field. I'll probably end up with a large high Q loop, and a separate low-Z coupling loop (i.e. a step down xformer). ok, back to work... -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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On 06/11/2014 01:29, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
Now, if I could only fix my crappy arithmetic. Try this... :-) From: "G \"Guglielmo\" Evans G4SDW" Newsgroups: uk.radio.amateur Subject: Difficulty with maths? Date: Sun, 29 Jul 2007 12:47:45 +0100 Organization: Aioe.org NNTP Server Lines: 115 Message-ID: NNTP-Posting-Host: Z3IpgFh83JnnDIiU15n1gQ.user.aioe.org X-Complaints-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Original X-Newsreader: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal For those who claim an interest going back several years, (in one case 50 years!) and who have still not yet managed the M3/CB Fools' Licence hurdle that is set for 6-year-olds, here is Lesson 1 of a maths lecture course that I prepared some years ago. Practising school teachers who say that maths is hard should also start here. -----ooooo----- Copyright (C) 1999 G.A.Evans All Rights Reserved. So, you're a CBer and you want a Ham Radio licence? Good on you. Well, let's consider the differences..... CB is a social facility for those with no technical qualification nor competence. You must use type- approved equipment which you are NOT allowed to modify. You are restricted to one band, and to a very low output power. (More power, in fact, than your GSM phone, but still very low) Ham Radio is related, but not closely. Ham Radio is also a social facility, but with a difference. You are allowed to construct your own transmitting gear and use it on a multitude of bands, and at very high powers. With such privileges comes responsibility. You must demonstrate that you have a minimum of technical know-how, and for this purpose you must pass an examination, The Radio Amateur's Examination. This is not a difficult examination, It is easier than a GCSE, and when you consider that youngsters doing their GCSE's study and pass 10 at a time, then the RAE on it's own is a simple matter. To indulge in this technical activity, you must enjoy solving puzzles. You must thrive on finding out how things work and inventing things for yourself. If this doesn't describe you, then perhaps Ham Radio is not for you? Now, you will need a jargon to discuss and explain your new-found technical excitement. As a CBer, you may have said things like, "You're showing five cherries". All very amusing, but hardly technical. As a Radio Ham you will be expected to use and understand such phrases as, "S9 plus 20 dB". The jargon that you will use is known as "Mathematics". Now, "Hold On!", I hear you gasp, you were hopeless at mathematics (or, "Maths") at school. Well, let me let you into a secret. The problem with maths did not lie with you, but with the incompetence of your teachers. Maths is really quite straightforward, and the knowledge you need is no more than that which school children of 12 possess. You're not going to tell me that a child of 12 is better than you? Of course not! That's all very well and glib, but it cannot be denied that some of you have found maths to be difficult, and based upon the scorn heaped upon you by your incompetent teachers, some of you will have formed mental blocks that prevent you from making any progress. Well, what I am going to do, is to prepare some elementary lessons for you, which you can do in the privacy of your own home, where no-one will look over your shoulder or laugh at you. How am I going to do this when you already have a mental block? Well, what I will do is take you right back to square one, right back to where you were before you got that block, when you were perhaps five years old, and there was absolutely no difference between you and the other pupils in the playground, and bring you on in a spirit of confidence. (You may find the first lessons to be trivial, but please bear with me. The principles laid down will assist you throughout the course). The first, and most important thing which I will stress time and time again is this.......quite often you will come across some new maths which confuses you, but which more often than not, is a new way of writing down SOMETHING WHICH YOU ALREADY KNOW, something which is a shorthand to make life easy. -----OOOOO----- So, let's make a very easy start, illustrating this principle. Let us suppose that we are counting eggs, and if you'll pardon the weak pun, let's count "X's". X; one, obviously. XX; two, XXX; three, XXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXX XXXXXXXXXX XXX; One Hundred and Twenty Three! So, here is that first and most important principle... instead of having that tedious way of counting, we use a shorthand... "1", "2", "3" and "123". Now, as I said, this isn't any new or clever maths, IT'S JUST AN EASY WAY OF WRITING DOWN SOMETHING WHICH YOU ALREADY KNOW. Right, that's enough for an introduction. Yes, it's trivially simple, but then so is maths, as you will see in subsequent lessons. Who knows, in a short time you'll get that Ham Radio license! |
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On 11/6/2014 4:05 PM, Jeefaw K. Effkay wrote:
On 06/11/2014 01:29, Jeff Liebermann wrote: Now, if I could only fix my crappy arithmetic. Try this... :-) snip Why give the idiot any more publicity than he gets himself? The whole post is as full of crap as he is. The best thing to do is ignore him - it will make him madder, but the lack of attention will drive him crazy. -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry, AI0K ================== |
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email.me: The best thing to do is ignore him - it will make him madder, but the lack of attention will drive him crazy. If he's on BT he'll have to get another ISP. Same goes for Demon who have already cancelled Usenet as BT are about to do. UK ISP's seem to be dropping Usenet like a ton of ****, without advance warning of any worth, and maybe all within a very few weeks of they haven't already done it. It seems to me that maybe the recent rush of govt demands that they clean up the piracy uses of Usenet, combined with ever increasing surveillance of ordinary people means that the only cheap safe way for an ISP to avoid looking like it's antagonistic to the new secret-policing style of UK government is to drop, IMMEDIATELY, all subsystems that might make them look bad. There may be more innocent explanations, like Usenet going to the dogs generally, public perception genrally favouring forums on the web. Judging by the recent squabbles here that is not hard to exaplain. Recent;ly, one night, I say one silly thing ina post otherwise reasonable, and TWO people try to jump down my throat. For a fleeting moment I was daft enough to think it might be about me, but no, I just went silent, looked the next morning, and those two people were at each other for most of the night in my absence! Anyway, I won't be paying for Usenet, so I'll be out of those people's hair. I'll jump before I'm pushed. If I can get an ISP with decent web hosting for no greater cost than I am paying to BT now for a heavily capped service with no web host, and very soon, no Usenet, I'll go as soon as I can. It's been helpful to me to have access easily to some knowledgeable people willing to post thoughts rapidly, in direct response to things I ask, and I'll miss that. On the other hand, some of those people have pointed out that good texts usually get a better guide to someone wanting an answer, if not as immediately. Usually I just trawl the web and look for multiple sources before whittling down to the best that works for me. It looks like the net's good times are over, it's likely to get harder after being easy for about ten years. I'm not going to try to speculate about why, but I know that if Usenet is no longer possible without a lot of additional expense equivalent to a new utility service, then I'm out. |
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On 2014-11-07 10:58:18 +0000, Lostgallifreyan said:
Jerry Stuckle wrote in news:m3h6rc$871$1@dont- email.me: The best thing to do is ignore him - it will make him madder, but the lack of attention will drive him crazy. If he's on BT he'll have to get another ISP. Same goes for Demon who have already cancelled Usenet as BT are about to do. UK ISP's seem to be dropping Usenet like a ton of ****, without advance warning of any worth, and maybe all within a very few weeks of they haven't already done it. It seems to me that maybe the recent rush of govt demands that they clean up the piracy uses of Usenet, combined with ever increasing surveillance of ordinary people means that the only cheap safe way for an ISP to avoid looking like it's antagonistic to the new secret-policing style of UK government is to drop, IMMEDIATELY, all subsystems that might make them look bad. There may be more innocent explanations, like Usenet going to the dogs generally, public perception genrally favouring forums on the web. Judging by the recent squabbles here that is not hard to exaplain. Recent;ly, one night, I say one silly thing ina post otherwise reasonable, and TWO people try to jump down my throat. For a fleeting moment I was daft enough to think it might be about me, but no, I just went silent, looked the next morning, and those two people were at each other for most of the night in my absence! Anyway, I won't be paying for Usenet, so I'll be out of those people's hair. I'll jump before I'm pushed. If I can get an ISP with decent web hosting for no greater cost than I am paying to BT now for a heavily capped service with no web host, and very soon, no Usenet, I'll go as soon as I can. It's been helpful to me to have access easily to some knowledgeable people willing to post thoughts rapidly, in direct response to things I ask, and I'll miss that. On the other hand, some of those people have pointed out that good texts usually get a better guide to someone wanting an answer, if not as immediately. Usually I just trawl the web and look for multiple sources before whittling down to the best that works for me. It looks like the net's good times are over, it's likely to get harder after being easy for about ten years. I'm not going to try to speculate about why, but I know that if Usenet is no longer possible without a lot of additional expense equivalent to a new utility service, then I'm out. There are a number of good free text group newsservers, such as Eternal September, and at least one paid-for one with a good reputation that only costs 10GBP a year (news.individual.net). So I hope we don't have to lose you. -- Percy Picacity |
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On 07/11/2014 10:58, Lostgallifreyan wrote:
snipped for brevity It looks like the net's good times are over, it's likely to get harder after being easy for about ten years. I'm not going to try to speculate about why, but I know that if Usenet is no longer possible without a lot of additional expense equivalent to a new utility service, then I'm out. There are good, including moderated, Yahoo Groups where you can find useful technical discussions- free of the nonsense we suffer on Usenet. The trolls and stirrers like Evans aren't tolerated their and are either excluded or their posts are rejected if they are offensive. You can find specialist groups and general ones, between them you should find your needs can be met. 73 Brian |
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Percy Picacity wrote in
: There are a number of good free text group newsservers, such as Eternal September, and at least one paid-for one with a good reputation that only costs 10GBP a year (news.individual.net). So I hope we don't have to lose you. Thankyou. :) I will look into it. Two caveats though... The one free one I looked at so far isn't free if I want to post. The other is that the truly free ones may be a haunt of trolls, Eternal September is a namd I have read in contexts of posters naming some systems with a bad hit-rate for troll sources. Ideally I'll try to find a paid service that is cheap, quiet, likely to stay put for a long time, but I think my priority might best be that web hosting. I mentioned a phase mod synthesiser in various posts when I could indulge it the reference, and the editor on which the final product will be based is tested working on all Win32 now, so it's time I started looking for an ISP that can help me host it cheaply as part of main ISP provision to save costs. I suspect they won't have Usenet, but I'll look at your suggestion of news.individual.net, it may well be a lot better than what I saw last night.. |
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Percy Picacity wrote in
: one paid-for one with a good reputation that only costs 10GBP a year (news.individual.net). That looks very good. The Germans also don't oblige the kinds of govt prying mentaility the Brisitsh seem willing to accept, along with Google intrusions and all the rest of it. I'll probably go with this one. Now, if I could find a web host that looks this good... :) Got to be UK based though. I'l askign Demon what they can offer, not yet heard back, but if you or anyone can offer some suggestions, please do. |
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