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Lostgallifreyan writes



Eternal September is a namd

?

I have read
in contexts of posters naming some systems with a bad hit-rate for troll
sources.

Yes, RIP news.demon.co.uk.

ES is just fine. Freenews.netfront.net also works, as does nntp.aioe.org
(although take care with their well-intentioned rules). Even though they
say they don't carry binaries, ES certainly does allow access to a few
binary NGs, as does freenews.netfront.net.
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On 11/7/2014 5:58 AM, Lostgallifreyan wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote in news:m3h6rc$871$1@dont-
email.me:

The best thing to do is ignore him - it will make him madder, but the
lack of attention will drive him crazy.


If he's on BT he'll have to get another ISP. Same goes for Demon who have
already cancelled Usenet as BT are about to do. UK ISP's seem to be dropping
Usenet like a ton of ****, without advance warning of any worth, and maybe
all within a very few weeks of they haven't already done it. It seems to me
that maybe the recent rush of govt demands that they clean up the piracy uses
of Usenet, combined with ever increasing surveillance of ordinary people
means that the only cheap safe way for an ISP to avoid looking like it's
antagonistic to the new secret-policing style of UK government is to drop,
IMMEDIATELY, all subsystems that might make them look bad.

There may be more innocent explanations, like Usenet going to the dogs
generally, public perception genrally favouring forums on the web. Judging by
the recent squabbles here that is not hard to exaplain. Recent;ly, one night,
I say one silly thing ina post otherwise reasonable, and TWO people try to
jump down my throat. For a fleeting moment I was daft enough to think it
might be about me, but no, I just went silent, looked the next morning, and
those two people were at each other for most of the night in my absence!

Anyway, I won't be paying for Usenet, so I'll be out of those people's hair.
I'll jump before I'm pushed. If I can get an ISP with decent web hosting for
no greater cost than I am paying to BT now for a heavily capped service with
no web host, and very soon, no Usenet, I'll go as soon as I can.

It's been helpful to me to have access easily to some knowledgeable people
willing to post thoughts rapidly, in direct response to things I ask, and
I'll miss that. On the other hand, some of those people have pointed out that
good texts usually get a better guide to someone wanting an answer, if not as
immediately. Usually I just trawl the web and look for multiple sources
before whittling down to the best that works for me.

It looks like the net's good times are over, it's likely to get harder after
being easy for about ten years. I'm not going to try to speculate about why,
but I know that if Usenet is no longer possible without a lot of additional
expense equivalent to a new utility service, then I'm out.


There are plenty of free usenet servers out there. I use
eternal-september.org; no binary groups but that's fine with me. And
their retention policy is decent.

I suggest you try them out.

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On 11/7/2014 7:34 AM, Lostgallifreyan wrote:
Percy Picacity wrote in
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There are a number of good free text group newsservers, such as Eternal
September, and at least one paid-for one with a good reputation that
only costs 10GBP a year (news.individual.net). So I hope we don't have
to lose you.


Thankyou. :) I will look into it. Two caveats though... The one free one I
looked at so far isn't free if I want to post. The other is that the truly
free ones may be a haunt of trolls, Eternal September is a namd I have read
in contexts of posters naming some systems with a bad hit-rate for troll
sources. Ideally I'll try to find a paid service that is cheap, quiet, likely
to stay put for a long time, but I think my priority might best be that web
hosting. I mentioned a phase mod synthesiser in various posts when I could
indulge it the reference, and the editor on which the final product will be
based is tested working on all Win32 now, so it's time I started looking for
an ISP that can help me host it cheaply as part of main ISP provision to save
costs. I suspect they won't have Usenet, but I'll look at your suggestion of
news.individual.net, it may well be a lot better than what I saw last night..


I've been on eternal-september for years - since before they were
eternal-september (so long ago I've forgotten what their previous name
was - but then I'm old :) ) and never had a problem with them.

Sure, they go down occasionally (who doesn't?), but not often and not
for too long of a time. The only problem I've had with them recently is
about a week ago I couldn't access them because they were so busy (they
do limit connections to keep from overloading the server). But once
again, that's very seldom. It was just before I went to bed, and when I
tried in the morning the connection was fine. Just a spike when I
wanted in.

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On Fri, 07 Nov 2014 06:46:17 -0600, Lostgallifreyan wrote:

Percy Picacity wrote in
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one paid-for one with a good reputation that only costs 10GBP a year
(news.individual.net).

That looks very good. The Germans also don't oblige the kinds of govt
prying mentaility the Brisitsh seem willing to accept, along with Google
intrusions and all the rest of it. I'll probably go with this one. Now,
if I could find a web host that looks this good... :) Got to be UK based
though. I'l askign Demon what they can offer, not yet heard back, but if
you or anyone can offer some suggestions, please do.

News individual net : https://news.individual.net/ Is very good and only
costs 10 EUR a year, so about £8. Also very reliable and very little spam.

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"Brian Reay" wrote in message
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There are good, including moderated, Yahoo Groups where you can find
useful technical discussions- free of the nonsense we suffer on Usenet.
The trolls and stirrers like Evans aren't tolerated their and are either
excluded or their posts are rejected if they are offensive.
You can find specialist groups and general ones, between them you should
find your needs can be met.

Once again, you make a gratutously abusive and completely false remarks
about me,
and by so doing, make yourself the target of your own criticism.

Why do you behave like that?

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On 11/7/2014 7:34 AM, Lostgallifreyan wrote:
Percy Picacity wrote in
:

There are a number of good free text group newsservers, such as Eternal
September, and at least one paid-for one with a good reputation that
only costs 10GBP a year (news.individual.net). So I hope we don't have
to lose you.


Thankyou. :) I will look into it. Two caveats though... The one free one I
looked at so far isn't free if I want to post. The other is that the truly
free ones may be a haunt of trolls, Eternal September is a namd I have read
in contexts of posters naming some systems with a bad hit-rate for troll
sources.

What difference does it make if trolls use the same ISP for newsgroups
that you do? You use the same roads as every bank robber, no?

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On 11/7/2014 7:34 AM, Lostgallifreyan wrote:
Percy Picacity wrote in
:

There are a number of good free text group newsservers, such as Eternal
September, and at least one paid-for one with a good reputation that
only costs 10GBP a year (news.individual.net). So I hope we don't have
to lose you.


Thankyou. :) I will look into it. Two caveats though... The one free one I
looked at so far isn't free if I want to post. The other is that the truly
free ones may be a haunt of trolls, Eternal September is a namd I have read
in contexts of posters naming some systems with a bad hit-rate for troll
sources. Ideally I'll try to find a paid service that is cheap, quiet, likely
to stay put for a long time, but I think my priority might best be that web
hosting. I mentioned a phase mod synthesiser in various posts when I could
indulge it the reference, and the editor on which the final product will be
based is tested working on all Win32 now, so it's time I started looking for
an ISP that can help me host it cheaply as part of main ISP provision to save
costs. I suspect they won't have Usenet, but I'll look at your suggestion of
news.individual.net, it may well be a lot better than what I saw last night..

If you want to host a web site and can construct a web page, I can offer
you free hosting. I have an unlimited hosting account and provide
hosting service for several of my friends. Check out
coldwatersafety.org and wintercrestsearch.com. It costs me nothing
extra. You have to buy a domain name and I set up the hosting account
for you. The rest is in your hands. Just don't bring down the server
or they get ****ed at me.

Email me directly if you are interested.

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On 11/7/2014 10:26 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 11/7/2014 7:34 AM, Lostgallifreyan wrote:
Percy Picacity wrote in
:

There are a number of good free text group newsservers, such as Eternal
September, and at least one paid-for one with a good reputation that
only costs 10GBP a year (news.individual.net). So I hope we don't have
to lose you.


Thankyou. :) I will look into it. Two caveats though... The one free one I
looked at so far isn't free if I want to post. The other is that the truly
free ones may be a haunt of trolls, Eternal September is a namd I have read
in contexts of posters naming some systems with a bad hit-rate for troll
sources. Ideally I'll try to find a paid service that is cheap, quiet, likely
to stay put for a long time, but I think my priority might best be that web
hosting. I mentioned a phase mod synthesiser in various posts when I could
indulge it the reference, and the editor on which the final product will be
based is tested working on all Win32 now, so it's time I started looking for
an ISP that can help me host it cheaply as part of main ISP provision to save
costs. I suspect they won't have Usenet, but I'll look at your suggestion of
news.individual.net, it may well be a lot better than what I saw last night..


I've been on eternal-september for years - since before they were
eternal-september (so long ago I've forgotten what their previous name
was - but then I'm old :) ) and never had a problem with them.

Sure, they go down occasionally (who doesn't?), but not often and not
for too long of a time. The only problem I've had with them recently is
about a week ago I couldn't access them because they were so busy (they
do limit connections to keep from overloading the server). But once
again, that's very seldom. It was just before I went to bed, and when I
tried in the morning the connection was fine. Just a spike when I
wanted in.

I use eternal-september and I find they have trouble *very*
infrequently. The event a couple of weeks ago was not just being
overloaded. Their servers were still up, but the traffic dropped to
half it's usual level. They may have lost a portion of their servers or
they may have been under attack.

All in all I find them to be very workable.

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On 11/7/2014 7:46 AM, Lostgallifreyan wrote:
Percy Picacity wrote in
:

one paid-for one with a good reputation that
only costs 10GBP a year (news.individual.net).

That looks very good. The Germans also don't oblige the kinds of govt prying
mentaility the Brisitsh seem willing to accept, along with Google intrusions
and all the rest of it. I'll probably go with this one. Now, if I could find
a web host that looks this good... :) Got to be UK based though. I'l askign
Demon what they can offer, not yet heard back, but if you or anyone can offer
some suggestions, please do.

I am missing something. You are talking about posts that are available
for the entire world to see. How is "privacy" an issue?

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On Friday, November 7, 2014 4:58:19 AM UTC-6, Lostgallifreyan wrote:

There may be more innocent explanations, like Usenet going to the dogs
generally, public perception genrally favouring forums on the web.

Many ISP's did that in the US a long time ago. The main reason being it's
a pain and $$$ for them to maintain usenet, and I suppose the cost and hassle
is not worth it for them vs the fairly low amount of their users that actually
use usenet. In other words it's mainly about money. Or at least here in the
states. Comcast dropped it a few years ago. So I just use google groups, which
I had for a backup. I've actually got used to google groups and actually prefer
it to using a usenet server and a reader, which is T-bird in my case.
It's easier and faster to read the posts, where I can see all in a thread with
one click, without having to click through each post individually.

I also see all old archived posts in a thread, like the one's Gmailers often
reply to a decade or more after the original posts.. :|
I don't know what it is that provokes Gmailers to reply to posts so old it's
often a crapshoot if the OP is still alive or not, much less still active. :/
But if you some loon replying to a 15 year old post, it's almost certainly
a Gmailer, which I don't use.

Now I use aioe as a backup in case GG craps out, which they do every once
in a while. aioe is free same as ES.

BTW, I got my revenge on Comcast recently. I had triple play and movie
channels which the price kept going up, up, up, and I got tired of having
to renegotiate a new price every year, as I refused to pay their full bloated
prices.
So 3 months ago, I canceled everything but internet. My bill went from $165
a month to about $64 a month. It can be even cheaper if I dump their now $10 a
month gateway modem, and buy my own, which I plan to do when I get around to it.
It was $8 a month until 2 months ago.. :/

My speed is now slower from my previous appx 58 mbps, to my current 7.2 mbps,
or 15 mbps if I go in the unsecured xfinity back door using my laptop and
wi-fi, but even 7 mbps is fast enough for most of my uses. It's only been
three months, and I've already saved over $300.. Will save over $1200 a year.
That's what they get for provoking me with once a year greediness and price
scheme mayhem, which drove me up the wall every fall. :+