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On 6/14/2015 7:56 AM, Rob wrote:
highlandham wrote: The smoke detector fitted in the corridor next to our kitchen ,after 22 years, still responds to the ionised vapours (invisible and hardly smelled) from the gas cooker when cooking/frying food. Whatever the specification I consider the device and 2 others ,fitted near the bedrooms and utility room still performing as intended. All are battery operated (PP3-9V) . When batteries nearing end of life the devices bleep at decreasing time intervals, such that they will be replaced. Those are probably still the ones with a radioactive source that are now illegal to sell for consumer use. In my experience they cause fewer false alarms than the newer types that use an optical principle and probably temperature as well. It has happened here that a newer detector issued a false alarm on a hot day. I arrived home and heard it beep when arriving (before opening the door). That is scary! It was at least 35 degrees C in the house, but to me that is not a reason for triggering a fire alarm. It also happened on other occasions, but fortunately only when I was at home, and during the day. Are you sure your detector doesn't also have a temperature sensor? Some do, and if the temperature exceeds a preset value, it will go off. It's designed into some detectors in case of a virtually smokeless fire. It doesn't make for a primary sensor, but can be a useful backup one. Without such a sensor, a properly operating smoke detector should not do this, whether it is photoelectric or ionization. The radioactive ones never do that. Indeed they sometimes trigger when frying food, but to me that is an indication they actually work. The optical one has never actually detected something. Useless. This is one reason why ionization detectors are not recommended any more - too many false alarms. That, plus photoelectric detectors are much faster at detecting real fires. -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry Stuckle ================== |
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highlandham wrote:
On 14/06/15 01:20, Irv Finkleman VE6BP wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 6/13/2015 12:43 PM, highlandham wrote: On 12/06/15 20:26, Dave Platt wrote: My understanding is that the sensor in the CO detectors, being chemically based, does have a limited lifetime. As of 2009, ANSI/UL specs require that such alarms begin chirping an "end of lifetime" signal after 5 years of operation... and a couple of weeks after this, you can no longer turn off the chirp. ============================== Perhaps OK for CO detectors , but Americium type smoke detectors have a very long life ; the ones in my house still work well (tested with smoke) after 22 years, cleaned with a vacuum cleaner,every 2 years. Frank GM0CSZ / KN6WH in IO87AT But do they work WITHIN SPECS? A simple smoke test does not tell that. A smoke detector is not an on/off switch. It is built to trigger on a certain level of smoke. Both too sensitive and not sensitive enough are problematic. I would NOT risk my family's lives on a 22 year old smoke detector! A 'highland' ham -- sounds scottish to me and that would explain the 22 years! :-) de Irv VE6BP ======= Thank you Irv for the compliment. BTW ,not Scottish but originally from PA-land Frank , GM0CSZ / KN6WH Yes -- I caught it with the callsigns, but thought it was worth a smiling jibe! Irv |
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Thanks all,
My idea was the push or the big brother (in receivith of a bribith) to force us here in Ontario to change our smoke detectors every 5 years. It may even be so written into the insurance laws (or fine print on page 62 on bottom of incurance form) (in japanese) that the insurance company will not pay out in the event of fire and your detectors are out of date according to the provincial code. The insurance agents always inspect for cause to back out. But what is happening in Ontario (in my city now) is the fire department going door to door inspecting. Now get this. If you do not have a Carbon Monoxide Tester on Every floor and IN Garage (if attached) then they cannot leave until you do. Now they will sell you them off their truck and it is $41.00 Canadian each. I know this because they are in my friend's neighborhood and he has single floor and was forced to buy one. $41.00 on the spot. Now, he gave me name and model number and exact same one can be shipped to your door from the Ebay or Amazon for $12.00 Canadian. Smoke detectors as well. Our big brother nanny state, the now most expensive on the planet, is growing at an alarming rate and I could tell you a hundred more ridiculous and expensive stupidity my govt is doing but this is an idea. So why would a Deep Cycle Battery Manufacturer make a batter last longer than time frame that they couldn't calculate within their projected income reports? I mean you own a boat. And why would a Smoke Detector Company manufacture you a detector that would last the lifetime of the home? It wouldn't be prudent. You don't think that the big pharma companies are counting on our big brother health care team of doctors here in Ontario to continue pushing big pharma pills and keeping the people swallowing these pills at an alarming rate? We have a prescription pill for everything today and our insurance govt regulated and created companies pay for it all, after borrowing of course etc etc. Same ole same ole. I guarantee the pharma giants are banking on us swallowing hand fills of their hugely profitable pills for decades and quarters to come. I mean how do you stop a 2 trillion per year industry. Answer, you don't. Thanks boys, sorry about the long wind, love what I learned about smoke detectors. Thanks. But here in Ontario, the need for replacement is different than your need down south. It is not solely how much value or price you would put on your families head. A Huge waste factor is there. That is the scare marketing the teams will use. And use successfully. 73s wrote in message ... rickman wrote: On 6/12/2015 2:25 PM, wrote: rickman wrote: So what makes you think you need to replace a smoke detector every 5 years? I had units in my house that lasted over 20 years. Likely a dusty environment. You mean *not* a dusty environment? These were AC units and most likely died from a power surge. This house is in the boonies where voltage surges are more common because of the long reaches. I mean a dusty environment causes a shorter life. Aren't most houses about the same level of dust? Being upside down on the ceiling helps keep the crap out. My PCs pick up tons more dust. The dust level in any given house is going to depend on a whole bunch of factors; where it is, local winds, what is in the interior, presence or absence and efficiency of whole house filters, number of people, number of pets, etc. On the other hand, I have not seen a CO2 detector for near the price of a smoke detector. Are they really so inexpensive? You mean CO detector. Yes, of course. My detector rolled over yesterday; full of dust and crap. In Lowes I found battery powered, stand alone CO and smoke detectors starting out at about $20, battery powered, stand alone combo CO/smoke detectors starting at about $50. High end, network enabled models for a bit more, hardwired dumb models a bit less. I have always been able to find battery powered smoke detectors for $10. Walmart, Lowes, Home Depot... So was I until yesterday... -- Jim Pennino |
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On Sun, 14 Jun 2015 15:32:33 -0400, "Tom" wrote:
But what is happening in Ontario (in my city now) is the fire department going door to door inspecting. Now get this. If you do not have a Carbon Monoxide Tester on Every floor and IN Garage (if attached) then they cannot leave until you do. Now they will sell you them off their truck and it is $41.00 Canadian each. I know this because they are in my friend's neighborhood and he has single floor and was forced to buy one. $41.00 on the spot. Now, he gave me name and model number and exact same one can be shipped to your door from the Ebay or Amazon for $12.00 Canadian. Yikes. Y'er right: http://www.oafc.on.ca/carbon-monoxide Well, you can be thankful they don't just issue you a smoke/CO detector, and then send you a bill. -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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On 6/14/2015 3:32 PM, Tom wrote:
Thanks all, My idea was the push or the big brother (in receivith of a bribith) to force us here in Ontario to change our smoke detectors every 5 years. It may even be so written into the insurance laws (or fine print on page 62 on bottom of incurance form) (in japanese) that the insurance company will not pay out in the event of fire and your detectors are out of date according to the provincial code. The insurance agents always inspect for cause to back out. But what is happening in Ontario (in my city now) is the fire department going door to door inspecting. Now get this. If you do not have a Carbon Monoxide Tester on Every floor and IN Garage (if attached) then they cannot leave until you do. Now they will sell you them off their truck and it is $41.00 Canadian each. I know this because they are in my friend's neighborhood and he has single floor and was forced to buy one. $41.00 on the spot. Now, he gave me name and model number and exact same one can be shipped to your door from the Ebay or Amazon for $12.00 Canadian. Smoke detectors as well. Our big brother nanny state, the now most expensive on the planet, is growing at an alarming rate and I could tell you a hundred more ridiculous and expensive stupidity my govt is doing but this is an idea. So why would a Deep Cycle Battery Manufacturer make a batter last longer than time frame that they couldn't calculate within their projected income reports? I mean you own a boat. And why would a Smoke Detector Company manufacture you a detector that would last the lifetime of the home? It wouldn't be prudent. You don't think that the big pharma companies are counting on our big brother health care team of doctors here in Ontario to continue pushing big pharma pills and keeping the people swallowing these pills at an alarming rate? We have a prescription pill for everything today and our insurance govt regulated and created companies pay for it all, after borrowing of course etc etc. Same ole same ole. I guarantee the pharma giants are banking on us swallowing hand fills of their hugely profitable pills for decades and quarters to come. I mean how do you stop a 2 trillion per year industry. Answer, you don't. Thanks boys, sorry about the long wind, love what I learned about smoke detectors. Thanks. But here in Ontario, the need for replacement is different than your need down south. It is not solely how much value or price you would put on your families head. A Huge waste factor is there. That is the scare marketing the teams will use. And use successfully. I've never read so much BS in my life. -- Rick |
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On 6/14/2015 3:32 PM, Tom wrote:
Thanks all, he My idea was the push or the big brother (in receivith of a bribith) to force us here in Ontario to change our smoke detectors every 5 years. It may even be so written into the insurance laws (or fine print on page 62 on bottom of incurance form) (in japanese) that the insurance company will not pay out in the event of fire and your detectors are out of date according to the provincial code. The insurance agents always inspect for cause to back out. But what is happening in Ontario (in my city now) is the fire department going door to door inspecting. Now get this. If you do not have a Carbon Monoxide Tester on Every floor and IN Garage (if attached) then they cannot leave until you do. Now they will sell you them off their truck and it is $41.00 Canadian each. I know this because they are in my friend's neighborhood and he has single floor and was forced to buy one. $41.00 on the spot. Now, he gave me name and model number and exact same one can be shipped to your door from the Ebay or Amazon for $12.00 Canadian. Smoke detectors as well. Our big brother nanny state, the now most expensive on the planet, is growing at an alarming rate and I could tell you a hundred more ridiculous and expensive stupidity my govt is doing but this is an idea. Very interesting. Glad that's not happening down here; if they don't have a legal reason to be on your property (i.e. fire or a search warrant), you don't have to let them in your house. There is no way they can search your house to determine if your smoke/CO detectors are out of date or not. And if they refuse to leave, they can be arrested for trespassing. It may be hard to get the DA to prosecute, but a little news coverage can change that quite quickly. So why would a Deep Cycle Battery Manufacturer make a batter last longer than time frame that they couldn't calculate within their projected income reports? I mean you own a boat. And why would a Smoke Detector Company manufacture you a detector that would last the lifetime of the home? It wouldn't be prudent. Because science has its limits. And while they *could* build batteries which last longer, the added expense would make the batteries more expensive than people are willing to pay. Everything's a trade-off, somewhere. unrelated rant snipped wrote in message ... rickman wrote: On 6/12/2015 2:25 PM, wrote: rickman wrote: So what makes you think you need to replace a smoke detector every 5 years? I had units in my house that lasted over 20 years. Likely a dusty environment. You mean *not* a dusty environment? These were AC units and most likely died from a power surge. This house is in the boonies where voltage surges are more common because of the long reaches. I mean a dusty environment causes a shorter life. Aren't most houses about the same level of dust? Being upside down on the ceiling helps keep the crap out. My PCs pick up tons more dust. The dust level in any given house is going to depend on a whole bunch of factors; where it is, local winds, what is in the interior, presence or absence and efficiency of whole house filters, number of people, number of pets, etc. On the other hand, I have not seen a CO2 detector for near the price of a smoke detector. Are they really so inexpensive? You mean CO detector. Yes, of course. My detector rolled over yesterday; full of dust and crap. In Lowes I found battery powered, stand alone CO and smoke detectors starting out at about $20, battery powered, stand alone combo CO/smoke detectors starting at about $50. High end, network enabled models for a bit more, hardwired dumb models a bit less. I have always been able to find battery powered smoke detectors for $10. Walmart, Lowes, Home Depot... So was I until yesterday... -- Jim Pennino -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry Stuckle ================== |
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On Sun, 14 Jun 2015 15:54:19 -0400, rickman wrote:
I've never read so much BS in my life. http://www.mcscs.jus.gov.on.ca/english/FireMarshal/CarbonMonoxideAlarms/QuestionsandAnswers/OFM_COAlarms_QandA.html 59. Can a fire department serve an Inspection Order under Subsection 21(1) of the FPPA to address a CO alarm related Fire Code violation in the building? Yes. Since the definition of "fire safety" under the FPPA has been revised to address "unsafe levels of carbon monoxide", CO alarm related OFC violations can be addressed through an Inspection Order. 54. If I don’t comply with the OFC, can I be charged? Yes. Once the compliance dates for CO alarms have passed, anyone found to be in contravention of these requirement can be charged and if convicted would be subject to penalties. 55. Is there a Part I ticketable offence for CO alarm violations? Yes. The ministry has developed new short form wording to increase the number of ticketable offences under the Provincial Offences Act for a number of OFC violations, including those relating to CO alarms. 56. What are the set fines and total payable for Part I OFC offences related to CO alarms? The set fines for Part I OFC offences have recently increased. Those relating to CO alarm offences are set at either $195 or $295 depending on the violation. The victim fine surcharge has also increased to $60 while court costs have remained the same at $5. Hence, total payable for CO alarm ticketable offences are now $260 or $360 depending on the violation. -- Jeff Liebermann 150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558 |
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"rickman" wrote in message ... On 6/14/2015 2:10 AM, Sal M. O'Nella wrote: "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message ... Which proves it needs replacement. It's calibration is off. False alarms are almost as bad as missing real alarms. Don't worry about Jerry. He is always like that. Once he takes a position he will defend it to the bitter end no matter how much you prove him wrong. ============================================== Oh, I've spent enough time here that I know about Jerry. He's free to speak his mind and I'll be fine. "Sal" (just an online nickname) |
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On 6/14/2015 8:19 PM, Sal M. O'Nella wrote:
"rickman" wrote in message ... On 6/14/2015 2:10 AM, Sal M. O'Nella wrote: "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message ... Which proves it needs replacement. It's calibration is off. False alarms are almost as bad as missing real alarms. Don't worry about Jerry. He is always like that. Once he takes a position he will defend it to the bitter end no matter how much you prove him wrong. ============================================== Oh, I've spent enough time here that I know about Jerry. He's free to speak his mind and I'll be fine. "Sal" (just an online nickname) Yes, it seems many of the nym'd trolls hate me. And it doesn't bother me a bit. I understand why you use 'nyms - I wouldn't want anyone to know how stoopid I was if I were you, either. -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry, AI0K ================== |
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On 6/14/2015 6:47 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Sun, 14 Jun 2015 15:54:19 -0400, rickman wrote: I've never read so much BS in my life. http://www.mcscs.jus.gov.on.ca/english/FireMarshal/CarbonMonoxideAlarms/QuestionsandAnswers/OFM_COAlarms_QandA.html 59. Can a fire department serve an Inspection Order under Subsection 21(1) of the FPPA to address a CO alarm related Fire Code violation in the building? Yes. Since the definition of "fire safety" under the FPPA has been revised to address "unsafe levels of carbon monoxide", CO alarm related OFC violations can be addressed through an Inspection Order. 54. If I don’t comply with the OFC, can I be charged? Yes. Once the compliance dates for CO alarms have passed, anyone found to be in contravention of these requirement can be charged and if convicted would be subject to penalties. 55. Is there a Part I ticketable offence for CO alarm violations? Yes. The ministry has developed new short form wording to increase the number of ticketable offences under the Provincial Offences Act for a number of OFC violations, including those relating to CO alarms. 56. What are the set fines and total payable for Part I OFC offences related to CO alarms? The set fines for Part I OFC offences have recently increased. Those relating to CO alarm offences are set at either $195 or $295 depending on the violation. The victim fine surcharge has also increased to $60 while court costs have remained the same at $5. Hence, total payable for CO alarm ticketable offences are now $260 or $360 depending on the violation. They'll get my old CO detector when they pry it from my cold, dead hands! -- Rick |
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Sorry to inform you Rick that this is not BS.
The firedepartment in Ontario Canada (Ontario Canada, possibly now one of the biggest big brother hands held nanny state on the planet now, most expensive anyway. Other than Greece of course). But, this is what our fire deptartment is doing. Now our firedept has an average income of more than $100,000.00 Canadian Dollars, so in my opinion I am happy to see them out there proactively doing something otherwise they sit in Starbucks or in their theater at the station stirring chilly pots and watching blue movies and sleeping. At least they are out there being proactive. But they are costing us huge and we must borrow it all. No B.S. there Rick. $400,000,000,000.00 U.S. dollars we owe becuase of this big brother left wing nanny state hold our hands government. Problem is 100,000 public students are now being horribly abused and used as hostages now because the public union teachers are wanting what the fireplugs get, and the police and sewer workers are all sharpening their axes because the strikes and riots are about to begin. Same as Greece and Detroit. These are unnanounced visits, inspections and no warrant or no appointment is necessary. And if they find anything else like grow operations or gas dryer not to their liking, yes, flags will be issued. So on one hand at least they are doing something. But on the other hand, what will Ontario be like in another 15 years? I just saw the biggest exodous of private employers in my life in the last 15 years because of this huge bungling government. More than a 2 million jobs lost in the private in the last decade. Far more than 2 million, in Ontario alone. This is why more than 80% of an employee's income now in Ontario Canada must be returned to the government in one form or another. Some economists say it is more like 85%. And it isn't BS, it is real. So I say our fire chiefs are taking bribes from big business to force these money making inspections and sales. You folks down south can continue to use your 20 year old American built solid products and we are forced to replace those with the cheap Chinese crap. So are we replacing working units with working units? For what? Some beurocrats with nothing else to do but dream this stuff up? And another thing Rick, when you visit our doctors, our govt controlled doctors, you will always be given a precription from a company that the last salesman who visited that doctor's office from that drug company. Big business. We swallow more pharmacutical giant's products for no reasons than anywhere else on the planet. Even America. So big business and incompetent greedy union left wing governments are forcing me to do these things that are not necessary. There are 80,000 houses in my city, lots of opportunity for profit and bribes to be made. But also lots of opportunity to find grow houses, meth labs in homes, hostages in homes, whatever the government wants to find in your own home, they now have a right to enter it without warrants and search and report. Without notice. No BS. there Rick. What part do you think I am making up? So I think the battery technology is there and affordable for me to put a longer lasting deep cycle lead acid battery in my boat. But a battery dealer would be crazy to make a lifetime battery when they know I will own a boat my lifetime. Our government wont allow the better quality more efficient, cheaper and lighter and smaller solar panels into Canada because we have solar panal manufactures making them here at a huge costs to the people, in partnership and subsidized by the taxpayer, so the systems are not affordable. Because of their beauracracy. So why cannot I buy the better and cheaper and more efficient solar panals? Like the ones on the Philae Comet Rover? The technology has been there for a decade, but I cannot buy a solar panel that is as efficient as the ones you folks send up on the satelites. I cannot buy those ones on a freemarket, I must buy the ones my government tells me to buy, made in Ontario and 10 times the costs and half as efficient. Which reminds me, I am doing a solar panal installation here soon, I am NOT using any batteries or inverters, I want to run them directly to my electric floor heaters so that when the sun shines I get free heat. I am going to be asking you folks a lot of questions for sure on this project. What do you think the firedept will say about this system? Big flag? Tear it down? I have to smuggle in the best solar panals. Like I did with the Carbon Monoxide Detectors and Smoke Detectors. Cheers gents and thanks, sorry for the long rant. 73s "rickman" wrote in message ... On 6/14/2015 3:32 PM, Tom wrote: Thanks all, My idea was the push or the big brother (in receivith of a bribith) to force us here in Ontario to change our smoke detectors every 5 years. It may even be so written into the insurance laws (or fine print on page 62 on bottom of incurance form) (in japanese) that the insurance company will not pay out in the event of fire and your detectors are out of date according to the provincial code. The insurance agents always inspect for cause to back out. But what is happening in Ontario (in my city now) is the fire department going door to door inspecting. Now get this. If you do not have a Carbon Monoxide Tester on Every floor and IN Garage (if attached) then they cannot leave until you do. Now they will sell you them off their truck and it is $41.00 Canadian each. I know this because they are in my friend's neighborhood and he has single floor and was forced to buy one. $41.00 on the spot. Now, he gave me name and model number and exact same one can be shipped to your door from the Ebay or Amazon for $12.00 Canadian. Smoke detectors as well. Our big brother nanny state, the now most expensive on the planet, is growing at an alarming rate and I could tell you a hundred more ridiculous and expensive stupidity my govt is doing but this is an idea. So why would a Deep Cycle Battery Manufacturer make a batter last longer than time frame that they couldn't calculate within their projected income reports? I mean you own a boat. And why would a Smoke Detector Company manufacture you a detector that would last the lifetime of the home? It wouldn't be prudent. You don't think that the big pharma companies are counting on our big brother health care team of doctors here in Ontario to continue pushing big pharma pills and keeping the people swallowing these pills at an alarming rate? We have a prescription pill for everything today and our insurance govt regulated and created companies pay for it all, after borrowing of course etc etc. Same ole same ole. I guarantee the pharma giants are banking on us swallowing hand fills of their hugely profitable pills for decades and quarters to come. I mean how do you stop a 2 trillion per year industry. Answer, you don't. Thanks boys, sorry about the long wind, love what I learned about smoke detectors. Thanks. But here in Ontario, the need for replacement is different than your need down south. It is not solely how much value or price you would put on your families head. A Huge waste factor is there. That is the scare marketing the teams will use. And use successfully. I've never read so much BS in my life. -- Rick |
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On 6/15/2015 10:30 AM, Tom wrote:
Sorry to inform you Rick that this is not BS. snip Tom, don't worry about Rickman. Anything he can't find on Wikipedia is BS to him. -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry, AI0K ================== |
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On 6/15/2015 10:30 AM, Tom wrote:
Sorry to inform you Rick that this is not BS. The firedepartment in Ontario Canada (Ontario Canada, possibly now one of the biggest big brother hands held nanny state on the planet now, most expensive anyway. Other than Greece of course). But, this is what our fire deptartment is doing. Now our firedept has an average income of more than $100,000.00 Canadian Dollars, so in my opinion I am happy to see them out there proactively doing something otherwise they sit in Starbucks or in their theater at the station stirring chilly pots and watching blue movies and sleeping. At least they are out there being proactive. But they are costing us huge and we must borrow it all. No B.S. there Rick. $400,000,000,000.00 U.S. dollars we owe becuase of this big brother left wing nanny state hold our hands government. Problem is 100,000 public students are now being horribly abused and used as hostages now because the public union teachers are wanting what the fireplugs get, and the police and sewer workers are all sharpening their axes because the strikes and riots are about to begin. Same as Greece and Detroit. These are unnanounced visits, inspections and no warrant or no appointment is necessary. And if they find anything else like grow operations or gas dryer not to their liking, yes, flags will be issued. So on one hand at least they are doing something. But on the other hand, what will Ontario be like in another 15 years? I just saw the biggest exodous of private employers in my life in the last 15 years because of this huge bungling government. More than a 2 million jobs lost in the private in the last decade. Far more than 2 million, in Ontario alone. This is why more than 80% of an employee's income now in Ontario Canada must be returned to the government in one form or another. Some economists say it is more like 85%. And it isn't BS, it is real. So I say our fire chiefs are taking bribes from big business to force these money making inspections and sales. You folks down south can continue to use your 20 year old American built solid products and we are forced to replace those with the cheap Chinese crap. So are we replacing working units with working units? For what? Some beurocrats with nothing else to do but dream this stuff up? And another thing Rick, when you visit our doctors, our govt controlled doctors, you will always be given a precription from a company that the last salesman who visited that doctor's office from that drug company. Big business. We swallow more pharmacutical giant's products for no reasons than anywhere else on the planet. Even America. So big business and incompetent greedy union left wing governments are forcing me to do these things that are not necessary. There are 80,000 houses in my city, lots of opportunity for profit and bribes to be made. But also lots of opportunity to find grow houses, meth labs in homes, hostages in homes, whatever the government wants to find in your own home, they now have a right to enter it without warrants and search and report. Without notice. No BS. there Rick. What part do you think I am making up? So I think the battery technology is there and affordable for me to put a longer lasting deep cycle lead acid battery in my boat. But a battery dealer would be crazy to make a lifetime battery when they know I will own a boat my lifetime. Our government wont allow the better quality more efficient, cheaper and lighter and smaller solar panels into Canada because we have solar panal manufactures making them here at a huge costs to the people, in partnership and subsidized by the taxpayer, so the systems are not affordable. Because of their beauracracy. So why cannot I buy the better and cheaper and more efficient solar panals? Like the ones on the Philae Comet Rover? The technology has been there for a decade, but I cannot buy a solar panel that is as efficient as the ones you folks send up on the satelites. I cannot buy those ones on a freemarket, I must buy the ones my government tells me to buy, made in Ontario and 10 times the costs and half as efficient. Which reminds me, I am doing a solar panal installation here soon, I am NOT using any batteries or inverters, I want to run them directly to my electric floor heaters so that when the sun shines I get free heat. I am going to be asking you folks a lot of questions for sure on this project. What do you think the firedept will say about this system? Big flag? Tear it down? I have to smuggle in the best solar panals. Like I did with the Carbon Monoxide Detectors and Smoke Detectors. Cheers gents and thanks, sorry for the long rant. The part of the prior post that made me call BS may just have been how it was worded. "the insurance company will not pay out in the event of fire and your detectors are out of date" and "If you do not have a Carbon Monoxide Tester on Every floor and IN Garage (if attached) then they cannot leave until you do." The first, if true, is a great move by the insurance companies. They won't pay any more than they absolutely have to based on interpretation of the policy and they know it forward and backward while you don't. But to hand them an excuse to not pay because of a bad smoke or CO detector is absurd. These detectors have nothing to do with the fire starting or in any way cause the problem, so why make the insurance company the beneficiary? Then with the firemen not leaving until you install a smoke detector, I'm picturing a bunch of firemen sitting in my living room watching TV and using my WiFi to surf the web because I am waiting for delivery of a CO detector from China. lol I just hope the law doesn't make you feed them! -- Rick |
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You are absolutely right Rickman, it is so important today to understand the
complete contract between you and your insurance company, they spend most efforts today looking for ways to get out of paying out and reward their people when they do with bonus. I have had my insurance rep come to the house 2 times already for advice. I have a wood stove and that really has codes that have been changed. Yes, we are dealing with the biggest growth of a government union base and their ways and it is simply incredible. Not to mention bankrupting. Thanks Gents, enjoyed every second of it. "rickman" wrote in message ... On 6/15/2015 10:30 AM, Tom wrote: Sorry to inform you Rick that this is not BS. The firedepartment in Ontario Canada (Ontario Canada, possibly now one of the biggest big brother hands held nanny state on the planet now, most expensive anyway. Other than Greece of course). But, this is what our fire deptartment is doing. Now our firedept has an average income of more than $100,000.00 Canadian Dollars, so in my opinion I am happy to see them out there proactively doing something otherwise they sit in Starbucks or in their theater at the station stirring chilly pots and watching blue movies and sleeping. At least they are out there being proactive. But they are costing us huge and we must borrow it all. No B.S. there Rick. $400,000,000,000.00 U.S. dollars we owe becuase of this big brother left wing nanny state hold our hands government. Problem is 100,000 public students are now being horribly abused and used as hostages now because the public union teachers are wanting what the fireplugs get, and the police and sewer workers are all sharpening their axes because the strikes and riots are about to begin. Same as Greece and Detroit. These are unnanounced visits, inspections and no warrant or no appointment is necessary. And if they find anything else like grow operations or gas dryer not to their liking, yes, flags will be issued. So on one hand at least they are doing something. But on the other hand, what will Ontario be like in another 15 years? I just saw the biggest exodous of private employers in my life in the last 15 years because of this huge bungling government. More than a 2 million jobs lost in the private in the last decade. Far more than 2 million, in Ontario alone. This is why more than 80% of an employee's income now in Ontario Canada must be returned to the government in one form or another. Some economists say it is more like 85%. And it isn't BS, it is real. So I say our fire chiefs are taking bribes from big business to force these money making inspections and sales. You folks down south can continue to use your 20 year old American built solid products and we are forced to replace those with the cheap Chinese crap. So are we replacing working units with working units? For what? Some beurocrats with nothing else to do but dream this stuff up? And another thing Rick, when you visit our doctors, our govt controlled doctors, you will always be given a precription from a company that the last salesman who visited that doctor's office from that drug company. Big business. We swallow more pharmacutical giant's products for no reasons than anywhere else on the planet. Even America. So big business and incompetent greedy union left wing governments are forcing me to do these things that are not necessary. There are 80,000 houses in my city, lots of opportunity for profit and bribes to be made. But also lots of opportunity to find grow houses, meth labs in homes, hostages in homes, whatever the government wants to find in your own home, they now have a right to enter it without warrants and search and report. Without notice. No BS. there Rick. What part do you think I am making up? So I think the battery technology is there and affordable for me to put a longer lasting deep cycle lead acid battery in my boat. But a battery dealer would be crazy to make a lifetime battery when they know I will own a boat my lifetime. Our government wont allow the better quality more efficient, cheaper and lighter and smaller solar panels into Canada because we have solar panal manufactures making them here at a huge costs to the people, in partnership and subsidized by the taxpayer, so the systems are not affordable. Because of their beauracracy. So why cannot I buy the better and cheaper and more efficient solar panals? Like the ones on the Philae Comet Rover? The technology has been there for a decade, but I cannot buy a solar panel that is as efficient as the ones you folks send up on the satelites. I cannot buy those ones on a freemarket, I must buy the ones my government tells me to buy, made in Ontario and 10 times the costs and half as efficient. Which reminds me, I am doing a solar panal installation here soon, I am NOT using any batteries or inverters, I want to run them directly to my electric floor heaters so that when the sun shines I get free heat. I am going to be asking you folks a lot of questions for sure on this project. What do you think the firedept will say about this system? Big flag? Tear it down? I have to smuggle in the best solar panals. Like I did with the Carbon Monoxide Detectors and Smoke Detectors. Cheers gents and thanks, sorry for the long rant. The part of the prior post that made me call BS may just have been how it was worded. "the insurance company will not pay out in the event of fire and your detectors are out of date" and "If you do not have a Carbon Monoxide Tester on Every floor and IN Garage (if attached) then they cannot leave until you do." The first, if true, is a great move by the insurance companies. They won't pay any more than they absolutely have to based on interpretation of the policy and they know it forward and backward while you don't. But to hand them an excuse to not pay because of a bad smoke or CO detector is absurd. These detectors have nothing to do with the fire starting or in any way cause the problem, so why make the insurance company the beneficiary? Then with the firemen not leaving until you install a smoke detector, I'm picturing a bunch of firemen sitting in my living room watching TV and using my WiFi to surf the web because I am waiting for delivery of a CO detector from China. lol I just hope the law doesn't make you feed them! -- Rick |
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On 6/16/2015 7:26 AM, Tom wrote:
You are absolutely right Rickman, it is so important today to understand the complete contract between you and your insurance company, they spend most efforts today looking for ways to get out of paying out and reward their people when they do with bonus. I have had my insurance rep come to the house 2 times already for advice. I have a wood stove and that really has codes that have been changed. Yes, we are dealing with the biggest growth of a government union base and their ways and it is simply incredible. Not to mention bankrupting. Thanks Gents, enjoyed every second of it. It actually makes sense. Smoke detectors can cause a fire to be detected earlier. The earlier the detection, the less damage and fewer lives lost - which means the insurance company pays less. You need to check your policy. Some insurance companies (at least used to before smoke detectors were generally required) have a discount if you have smoke detectors installed. But if you take advantage of the discount, your insurance may be void if your smoke detector is not installed or working properly (i.e. dead battery, out of date, etc.). It's all Life Safety issues - and therefore tightly regulated, even in the United States. Our government just doesn't (thankfully) go as far as Ontario does. -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry, AI0K ================== |
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"Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message ... On 6/14/2015 8:19 PM, Sal M. O'Nella wrote: "rickman" wrote in message ... On 6/14/2015 2:10 AM, Sal M. O'Nella wrote: "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message ... Which proves it needs replacement. It's calibration is off. False alarms are almost as bad as missing real alarms. Don't worry about Jerry. He is always like that. Once he takes a position he will defend it to the bitter end no matter how much you prove him wrong. ============================================== Oh, I've spent enough time here that I know about Jerry. He's free to speak his mind and I'll be fine. "Sal" (just an online nickname) Yes, it seems many of the nym'd trolls hate me. And it doesn't bother me a bit. I understand why you use 'nyms - I wouldn't want anyone to know how stoopid I was if I were you, either. ================================================== ===================== Hi, Jerry. Nice to hear from you again. I can't tell if your problem is reading comprehension or memory. It could be a little of each. See, whenever I'm active here, I put my callsign after my "nym," as you call it, about once a week. Earlier this year, you observed the discrepancy between my callsign and the name "Sal" so you went on a rant. You forgot about that, didn't you? Yeah. I doubt anybody hates you. For me, it's more a matter of not liking much that you post because it's so often argumentative and mean-spirited. (In debate, your cutting personal remarks are called ad-hominem attack.) Jerry, I want you to live a long, happy life. Too bad you're not off to a very good start. "Sal" (KD6VKW, as usual) |
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On 6/18/2015 3:16 PM, Sal M. O'Nella wrote:
"Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message ... On 6/14/2015 8:19 PM, Sal M. O'Nella wrote: "rickman" wrote in message ... On 6/14/2015 2:10 AM, Sal M. O'Nella wrote: "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message ... Which proves it needs replacement. It's calibration is off. False alarms are almost as bad as missing real alarms. Don't worry about Jerry. He is always like that. Once he takes a position he will defend it to the bitter end no matter how much you prove him wrong. ============================================== Oh, I've spent enough time here that I know about Jerry. He's free to speak his mind and I'll be fine. "Sal" (just an online nickname) Yes, it seems many of the nym'd trolls hate me. And it doesn't bother me a bit. I understand why you use 'nyms - I wouldn't want anyone to know how stoopid I was if I were you, either. ================================================== ===================== Hi, Jerry. Nice to hear from you again. I can't tell if your problem is reading comprehension or memory. It could be a little of each. See, whenever I'm active here, I put my callsign after my "nym," as you call it, about once a week. Earlier this year, you observed the discrepancy between my callsign and the name "Sal" so you went on a rant. You forgot about that, didn't you? Yeah. I doubt anybody hates you. For me, it's more a matter of not liking much that you post because it's so often argumentative and mean-spirited. (In debate, your cutting personal remarks are called ad-hominem attack.) Jerry, I want you to live a long, happy life. Too bad you're not off to a very good start. "Sal" (KD6VKW, as usual) Sal, I'm off to a great start. I'm past the age where I give a damn what you or any other troll thinks about me. Life is too short to worry about such crap. Sure, you put a callsign after your name. But you don't use your real name or a real (even if it is slightly munged like mine is) as your email address. You're just a troll, like some others here. So have a good life. I've had a long and happy one, and continue to do so. -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry Stuckle ================== |
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On 6/18/2015 3:16 PM, Sal M. O'Nella wrote:
"Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message ... On 6/14/2015 8:19 PM, Sal M. O'Nella wrote: "rickman" wrote in message ... On 6/14/2015 2:10 AM, Sal M. O'Nella wrote: "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message ... Which proves it needs replacement. It's calibration is off. False alarms are almost as bad as missing real alarms. Don't worry about Jerry. He is always like that. Once he takes a position he will defend it to the bitter end no matter how much you prove him wrong. ============================================== Oh, I've spent enough time here that I know about Jerry. He's free to speak his mind and I'll be fine. "Sal" (just an online nickname) Yes, it seems many of the nym'd trolls hate me. And it doesn't bother me a bit. I understand why you use 'nyms - I wouldn't want anyone to know how stoopid I was if I were you, either. ================================================== ===================== Hi, Jerry. Nice to hear from you again. I can't tell if your problem is reading comprehension or memory. It could be a little of each. See, whenever I'm active here, I put my callsign after my "nym," as you call it, about once a week. Earlier this year, you observed the discrepancy between my callsign and the name "Sal" so you went on a rant. You forgot about that, didn't you? Yeah. I doubt anybody hates you. For me, it's more a matter of not liking much that you post because it's so often argumentative and mean-spirited. (In debate, your cutting personal remarks are called ad-hominem attack.) Jerry, I want you to live a long, happy life. Too bad you're not off to a very good start. I think that sums it up pretty well. I don't have any reason to "hate" Jerry. I just feel his posts are, as you say, mean spirited. Heck he goes out of his way to find dirt on me which is so stupid I don't have words for it. This is the Internet. None of this matters one whit. BTW Jerry, have you found my degrees yet? -- Rick |
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On 6/18/2015 4:10 PM, rickman wrote:
On 6/18/2015 3:16 PM, Sal M. O'Nella wrote: "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message ... On 6/14/2015 8:19 PM, Sal M. O'Nella wrote: "rickman" wrote in message ... On 6/14/2015 2:10 AM, Sal M. O'Nella wrote: "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message ... Which proves it needs replacement. It's calibration is off. False alarms are almost as bad as missing real alarms. Don't worry about Jerry. He is always like that. Once he takes a position he will defend it to the bitter end no matter how much you prove him wrong. ============================================== Oh, I've spent enough time here that I know about Jerry. He's free to speak his mind and I'll be fine. "Sal" (just an online nickname) Yes, it seems many of the nym'd trolls hate me. And it doesn't bother me a bit. I understand why you use 'nyms - I wouldn't want anyone to know how stoopid I was if I were you, either. ================================================== ===================== Hi, Jerry. Nice to hear from you again. I can't tell if your problem is reading comprehension or memory. It could be a little of each. See, whenever I'm active here, I put my callsign after my "nym," as you call it, about once a week. Earlier this year, you observed the discrepancy between my callsign and the name "Sal" so you went on a rant. You forgot about that, didn't you? Yeah. I doubt anybody hates you. For me, it's more a matter of not liking much that you post because it's so often argumentative and mean-spirited. (In debate, your cutting personal remarks are called ad-hominem attack.) Jerry, I want you to live a long, happy life. Too bad you're not off to a very good start. I think that sums it up pretty well. I don't have any reason to "hate" Jerry. I just feel his posts are, as you say, mean spirited. Heck he goes out of his way to find dirt on me which is so stupid I don't have words for it. This is the Internet. None of this matters one whit. BTW Jerry, have you found my degrees yet? No, Rick. UMD has no record of them. I wonder why? And no, I don't "go out of my way to find dirt on you". All I do is call you on your stoopidity - which you show so readily. -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry, AI0K ================== |
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On 6/18/2015 4:56 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 6/18/2015 4:10 PM, rickman wrote: On 6/18/2015 3:16 PM, Sal M. O'Nella wrote: "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message ... On 6/14/2015 8:19 PM, Sal M. O'Nella wrote: "rickman" wrote in message ... On 6/14/2015 2:10 AM, Sal M. O'Nella wrote: "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message ... Which proves it needs replacement. It's calibration is off. False alarms are almost as bad as missing real alarms. Don't worry about Jerry. He is always like that. Once he takes a position he will defend it to the bitter end no matter how much you prove him wrong. ============================================== Oh, I've spent enough time here that I know about Jerry. He's free to speak his mind and I'll be fine. "Sal" (just an online nickname) Yes, it seems many of the nym'd trolls hate me. And it doesn't bother me a bit. I understand why you use 'nyms - I wouldn't want anyone to know how stoopid I was if I were you, either. ================================================== ===================== Hi, Jerry. Nice to hear from you again. I can't tell if your problem is reading comprehension or memory. It could be a little of each. See, whenever I'm active here, I put my callsign after my "nym," as you call it, about once a week. Earlier this year, you observed the discrepancy between my callsign and the name "Sal" so you went on a rant. You forgot about that, didn't you? Yeah. I doubt anybody hates you. For me, it's more a matter of not liking much that you post because it's so often argumentative and mean-spirited. (In debate, your cutting personal remarks are called ad-hominem attack.) Jerry, I want you to live a long, happy life. Too bad you're not off to a very good start. I think that sums it up pretty well. I don't have any reason to "hate" Jerry. I just feel his posts are, as you say, mean spirited. Heck he goes out of his way to find dirt on me which is so stupid I don't have words for it. This is the Internet. None of this matters one whit. BTW Jerry, have you found my degrees yet? No, Rick. UMD has no record of them. I wonder why? And no, I don't "go out of my way to find dirt on you". All I do is call you on your stoopidity - which you show so readily. Jerry, you make me laugh. I guess I should be grateful for that. BTW, I figured you were full of it. I went to the UMD web site and I don't see any way you can access that info without having enough details on me to verify who exactly I am... which I'm sure you don't have. So of course you can't find proof that I graduated UMD. You might try this page... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._Park_peopl e -- Rick |
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On 6/18/2015 6:57 PM, rickman wrote:
On 6/18/2015 4:56 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 6/18/2015 4:10 PM, rickman wrote: On 6/18/2015 3:16 PM, Sal M. O'Nella wrote: "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message ... On 6/14/2015 8:19 PM, Sal M. O'Nella wrote: "rickman" wrote in message ... On 6/14/2015 2:10 AM, Sal M. O'Nella wrote: "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message ... Which proves it needs replacement. It's calibration is off. False alarms are almost as bad as missing real alarms. Don't worry about Jerry. He is always like that. Once he takes a position he will defend it to the bitter end no matter how much you prove him wrong. ============================================== Oh, I've spent enough time here that I know about Jerry. He's free to speak his mind and I'll be fine. "Sal" (just an online nickname) Yes, it seems many of the nym'd trolls hate me. And it doesn't bother me a bit. I understand why you use 'nyms - I wouldn't want anyone to know how stoopid I was if I were you, either. ================================================== ===================== Hi, Jerry. Nice to hear from you again. I can't tell if your problem is reading comprehension or memory. It could be a little of each. See, whenever I'm active here, I put my callsign after my "nym," as you call it, about once a week. Earlier this year, you observed the discrepancy between my callsign and the name "Sal" so you went on a rant. You forgot about that, didn't you? Yeah. I doubt anybody hates you. For me, it's more a matter of not liking much that you post because it's so often argumentative and mean-spirited. (In debate, your cutting personal remarks are called ad-hominem attack.) Jerry, I want you to live a long, happy life. Too bad you're not off to a very good start. I think that sums it up pretty well. I don't have any reason to "hate" Jerry. I just feel his posts are, as you say, mean spirited. Heck he goes out of his way to find dirt on me which is so stupid I don't have words for it. This is the Internet. None of this matters one whit. BTW Jerry, have you found my degrees yet? No, Rick. UMD has no record of them. I wonder why? And no, I don't "go out of my way to find dirt on you". All I do is call you on your stoopidity - which you show so readily. Jerry, you make me laugh. I guess I should be grateful for that. BTW, I figured you were full of it. I went to the UMD web site and I don't see any way you can access that info without having enough details on me to verify who exactly I am... which I'm sure you don't have. So of course you can't find proof that I graduated UMD. You might try this page... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._Park_peopl e I don't need to go to the UMD website. The campus is about 10 miles from me. I can easily go to the registrar's office to see exactly who graduated in any year. And do you know how many people graduated with an MSEE in 1982? I'll give you a hint - you were NOT one of them. Even the yearbook (available in the campus library) shows graduates for each year. Additionally, as a local business owner, it's very easy for me to get the public records of graduates - not that I needed to use that option. However - I know you aren't a ham, or you wouldn't picked a campus as close to me as you did, hoping I wouldn't be able to check it out. And I know you don't have an MSEE from the pure bull**** you've posted in this newsgroup. You've been caught, rickman. And your lies won't get you out of it. -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry, AI0K ================== |
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On 6/18/2015 7:39 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 6/18/2015 6:57 PM, rickman wrote: On 6/18/2015 4:56 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 6/18/2015 4:10 PM, rickman wrote: On 6/18/2015 3:16 PM, Sal M. O'Nella wrote: "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message ... On 6/14/2015 8:19 PM, Sal M. O'Nella wrote: "rickman" wrote in message ... On 6/14/2015 2:10 AM, Sal M. O'Nella wrote: "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message ... Which proves it needs replacement. It's calibration is off. False alarms are almost as bad as missing real alarms. Don't worry about Jerry. He is always like that. Once he takes a position he will defend it to the bitter end no matter how much you prove him wrong. ============================================== Oh, I've spent enough time here that I know about Jerry. He's free to speak his mind and I'll be fine. "Sal" (just an online nickname) Yes, it seems many of the nym'd trolls hate me. And it doesn't bother me a bit. I understand why you use 'nyms - I wouldn't want anyone to know how stoopid I was if I were you, either. ================================================== ===================== Hi, Jerry. Nice to hear from you again. I can't tell if your problem is reading comprehension or memory. It could be a little of each. See, whenever I'm active here, I put my callsign after my "nym," as you call it, about once a week. Earlier this year, you observed the discrepancy between my callsign and the name "Sal" so you went on a rant. You forgot about that, didn't you? Yeah. I doubt anybody hates you. For me, it's more a matter of not liking much that you post because it's so often argumentative and mean-spirited. (In debate, your cutting personal remarks are called ad-hominem attack.) Jerry, I want you to live a long, happy life. Too bad you're not off to a very good start. I think that sums it up pretty well. I don't have any reason to "hate" Jerry. I just feel his posts are, as you say, mean spirited. Heck he goes out of his way to find dirt on me which is so stupid I don't have words for it. This is the Internet. None of this matters one whit. BTW Jerry, have you found my degrees yet? No, Rick. UMD has no record of them. I wonder why? And no, I don't "go out of my way to find dirt on you". All I do is call you on your stoopidity - which you show so readily. Jerry, you make me laugh. I guess I should be grateful for that. BTW, I figured you were full of it. I went to the UMD web site and I don't see any way you can access that info without having enough details on me to verify who exactly I am... which I'm sure you don't have. So of course you can't find proof that I graduated UMD. You might try this page... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._Park_peopl e I don't need to go to the UMD website. The campus is about 10 miles from me. I can easily go to the registrar's office to see exactly who graduated in any year. And do you know how many people graduated with an MSEE in 1982? I'll give you a hint - you were NOT one of them. Even the yearbook (available in the campus library) shows graduates for each year. Additionally, as a local business owner, it's very easy for me to get the public records of graduates - not that I needed to use that option. However - I know you aren't a ham, or you wouldn't picked a campus as close to me as you did, hoping I wouldn't be able to check it out. And I know you don't have an MSEE from the pure bull**** you've posted in this newsgroup. You've been caught, rickman. And your lies won't get you out of it. You are good Jerry, but not nearly as good as you think. lol Come to my house and check out my diploma. It's a big honkin' mother. In that era dry mounting on a board was popular but I didn't realize it would be so large. I actually had to drag it into work once so they could photo copy it. Actually, *them*. I got two from UMD you know. :) -- Rick |
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"Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message ... much snippage Remove the "x" from my email address ================================================== ============ Instead, I think I'll remove everything. I did it once but then reloaded my newsreader, which brought you back. 72 (not quite 73) from your newsgroup pal, "Sal" |
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Jerry Stuckle wrote:
I don't need to go to the UMD website. The campus is about 10 miles from me. I can easily go to the registrar's office to see exactly who graduated in any year. And do you know how many people graduated with an MSEE in 1982? I'll give you a hint - you were NOT one of them. Even the yearbook (available in the campus library) shows graduates for each year. Sounds like an obsessed stalker to me. Additionally, as a local business owner, it's very easy for me to get the public records of graduates - not that I needed to use that option. Strange; on various occasions he's claimed to work for a CCTV installer, audio systems installer, lighting installer, smoke detector installer, and a few others, now he is a local business owner. However - I know you aren't a ham, or you wouldn't picked a campus as close to me as you did, hoping I wouldn't be able to check it out. And I know you don't have an MSEE from the pure bull**** you've posted in this newsgroup. Someone that feels a need go check out USENET posters has some very big mental problems. You've been caught, rickman. And your lies won't get you out of it. I'd suggest rickman get a restaining order. -- Jim Pennino |
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On 6/18/2015 8:11 PM, Sal M. O'Nella wrote:
"Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message ... much snippage Remove the "x" from my email address ================================================== ============ Instead, I think I'll remove everything. I did it once but then reloaded my newsreader, which brought you back. 72 (not quite 73) from your newsgroup pal, "Sal" Doesn't bother me a bit. But I know that I don't care what you think ****es the hell out of you! ROFLMAO! -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry, AI0K ================== |
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On 6/18/2015 8:07 PM, rickman wrote:
On 6/18/2015 7:39 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 6/18/2015 6:57 PM, rickman wrote: On 6/18/2015 4:56 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 6/18/2015 4:10 PM, rickman wrote: On 6/18/2015 3:16 PM, Sal M. O'Nella wrote: "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message ... On 6/14/2015 8:19 PM, Sal M. O'Nella wrote: "rickman" wrote in message ... On 6/14/2015 2:10 AM, Sal M. O'Nella wrote: "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message ... Which proves it needs replacement. It's calibration is off. False alarms are almost as bad as missing real alarms. Don't worry about Jerry. He is always like that. Once he takes a position he will defend it to the bitter end no matter how much you prove him wrong. ============================================== Oh, I've spent enough time here that I know about Jerry. He's free to speak his mind and I'll be fine. "Sal" (just an online nickname) Yes, it seems many of the nym'd trolls hate me. And it doesn't bother me a bit. I understand why you use 'nyms - I wouldn't want anyone to know how stoopid I was if I were you, either. ================================================== ===================== Hi, Jerry. Nice to hear from you again. I can't tell if your problem is reading comprehension or memory. It could be a little of each. See, whenever I'm active here, I put my callsign after my "nym," as you call it, about once a week. Earlier this year, you observed the discrepancy between my callsign and the name "Sal" so you went on a rant. You forgot about that, didn't you? Yeah. I doubt anybody hates you. For me, it's more a matter of not liking much that you post because it's so often argumentative and mean-spirited. (In debate, your cutting personal remarks are called ad-hominem attack.) Jerry, I want you to live a long, happy life. Too bad you're not off to a very good start. I think that sums it up pretty well. I don't have any reason to "hate" Jerry. I just feel his posts are, as you say, mean spirited. Heck he goes out of his way to find dirt on me which is so stupid I don't have words for it. This is the Internet. None of this matters one whit. BTW Jerry, have you found my degrees yet? No, Rick. UMD has no record of them. I wonder why? And no, I don't "go out of my way to find dirt on you". All I do is call you on your stoopidity - which you show so readily. Jerry, you make me laugh. I guess I should be grateful for that. BTW, I figured you were full of it. I went to the UMD web site and I don't see any way you can access that info without having enough details on me to verify who exactly I am... which I'm sure you don't have. So of course you can't find proof that I graduated UMD. You might try this page... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._Park_peopl e I don't need to go to the UMD website. The campus is about 10 miles from me. I can easily go to the registrar's office to see exactly who graduated in any year. And do you know how many people graduated with an MSEE in 1982? I'll give you a hint - you were NOT one of them. Even the yearbook (available in the campus library) shows graduates for each year. Additionally, as a local business owner, it's very easy for me to get the public records of graduates - not that I needed to use that option. However - I know you aren't a ham, or you wouldn't picked a campus as close to me as you did, hoping I wouldn't be able to check it out. And I know you don't have an MSEE from the pure bull**** you've posted in this newsgroup. You've been caught, rickman. And your lies won't get you out of it. You are good Jerry, but not nearly as good as you think. lol Come to my house and check out my diploma. It's a big honkin' mother. In that era dry mounting on a board was popular but I didn't realize it would be so large. I actually had to drag it into work once so they could photo copy it. Actually, *them*. I got two from UMD you know. :) ROFLMAO. You didn't get anything from UMD. And their records prove it. But then your lack of knowledge of anything even a EE sophomore would understand gave you away long ago. If you can't find it in Wikipedia, it doesn't exist. -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry, AI0K ================== |
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On 19/06/15 00:39, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 6/18/2015 6:57 PM, rickman wrote: On 6/18/2015 4:56 PM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 6/18/2015 4:10 PM, rickman wrote: On 6/18/2015 3:16 PM, Sal M. O'Nella wrote: "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message ... On 6/14/2015 8:19 PM, Sal M. O'Nella wrote: "rickman" wrote in message ... On 6/14/2015 2:10 AM, Sal M. O'Nella wrote: "Jerry Stuckle" wrote in message ... Which proves it needs replacement. It's calibration is off. False alarms are almost as bad as missing real alarms. Don't worry about Jerry. He is always like that. Once he takes a position he will defend it to the bitter end no matter how much you prove him wrong. ============================================== Oh, I've spent enough time here that I know about Jerry. He's free to speak his mind and I'll be fine. "Sal" (just an online nickname) Yes, it seems many of the nym'd trolls hate me. And it doesn't bother me a bit. I understand why you use 'nyms - I wouldn't want anyone to know how stoopid I was if I were you, either. ================================================== ===================== Hi, Jerry. Nice to hear from you again. I can't tell if your problem is reading comprehension or memory. It could be a little of each. See, whenever I'm active here, I put my callsign after my "nym," as you call it, about once a week. Earlier this year, you observed the discrepancy between my callsign and the name "Sal" so you went on a rant. You forgot about that, didn't you? Yeah. I doubt anybody hates you. For me, it's more a matter of not liking much that you post because it's so often argumentative and mean-spirited. (In debate, your cutting personal remarks are called ad-hominem attack.) Jerry, I want you to live a long, happy life. Too bad you're not off to a very good start. I think that sums it up pretty well. I don't have any reason to "hate" Jerry. I just feel his posts are, as you say, mean spirited. Heck he goes out of his way to find dirt on me which is so stupid I don't have words for it. This is the Internet. None of this matters one whit. BTW Jerry, have you found my degrees yet? No, Rick. UMD has no record of them. I wonder why? And no, I don't "go out of my way to find dirt on you". All I do is call you on your stoopidity - which you show so readily. Jerry, you make me laugh. I guess I should be grateful for that. BTW, I figured you were full of it. I went to the UMD web site and I don't see any way you can access that info without having enough details on me to verify who exactly I am... which I'm sure you don't have. So of course you can't find proof that I graduated UMD. You might try this page... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._Park_peopl e I don't need to go to the UMD website. The campus is about 10 miles from me. I can easily go to the registrar's office to see exactly who graduated in any year. And do you know how many people graduated with an MSEE in 1982? I'll give you a hint - you were NOT one of them. Even the yearbook (available in the campus library) shows graduates for each year. Additionally, as a local business owner, it's very easy for me to get the public records of graduates - not that I needed to use that option. However - I know you aren't a ham, or you wouldn't picked a campus as close to me as you did, hoping I wouldn't be able to check it out. And I know you don't have an MSEE from the pure bull**** you've posted in this newsgroup. You've been caught, rickman. And your lies won't get you out of it. ====================================== Following this tread I have not found anything related to amateur radio and/or antennas .......how come ? Frank GM0CSZ / KN6WH in IO87AT |
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In article , Jerry Stuckle writes:
This is one reason why ionization detectors are not recommended any more - too many false alarms. That, plus photoelectric detectors are much faster at detecting real fires. And to avoid everyone just repeating whomever their favorite pontificator is, let's inject something a bit more authoritative. Courtesy Wikipedia: According to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA), "photoelectric smoke detection is generally more responsive to fires that begin with a long period of smoldering (called smoldering fires)." Also, studies by Texas A&M and the NFPA cited by the City of Palo Alto California state, "Photoelectric alarms react slower to rapidly growing fires than ionization alarms, but laboratory and field tests have shown that photoelectric smoke alarms provide adequate warning for all types of fires and have been shown to be far less likely to be deactivated by occupants." Although photoelectric alarms are highly effective at detecting smoldering fires and do provide adequate protection from flaming fires, fire safety experts and the National Fire Protection Agency recommend installing what are called combination alarms, which are alarms that either detect both heat and smoke, or use both the ionization and photoelectric processes. Also some combination alarms may include a carbon monoxide detection capability. [...] A 2004 NIST report concluded that, "Smoke alarms of either the ionization type or the photoelectric type consistently provided time for occupants to escape from most residential fires," and, "Consistent with prior findings, ionization type alarms provided somewhat better response to flaming fires than photoelectric alarms (57 to 62 seconds faster response), and photoelectric alarms provided (often) considerably faster response to smoldering fires than ionization type alarms (47 to 53 minutes faster response)."[13] Regular cleaning can prevent false alarms caused by the buildup of dust or other objects such as flies, particularly on optical type alarms as they are more susceptible to these factors. A vacuum cleaner can be used to clean ionization and optical detectors externally and internally. However, on commercial ionization detectors it is not recommended for a lay person to clean internally. To reduce false alarms caused by cooking fumes, use an optical or 'toast proof' alarm near the kitchen.[42] Ionization has its uses, and photoelectric is better in at least one very important way, but the US NFPA recommends a combination of both types. And, after all, the best reason to avoid old detectors is to get updated to the newest technologies. Oh, and if you look at the more garish anecdotal reports you will find the cases where ionization detectors outright missed smouldering fires until it was too late. But the jury cases that followed appear to be overreactions (somebody died because some technology was not perfect), and when the Firefighter's Association begins pushing for tighter standards than fire protection professionals (NFPA), it might be understandable - one first hand anecdote can in a first responder's mind trump a thousand studies. Find out what is recommended, folks, and update to that. [I should talk - that combined detector I bought years ago, one that is also dual powered, is still sitting on the workbench]. George |
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On 9/6/2015 8:52 AM, George Cornelius wrote:
In article , Jerry Stuckle writes: This is one reason why ionization detectors are not recommended any more - too many false alarms. That, plus photoelectric detectors are much faster at detecting real fires. And to avoid everyone just repeating whomever their favorite pontificator is, let's inject something a bit more authoritative. Courtesy Wikipedia: snip rest of crap You really cite Wikipedia as a trusted source? ROFLMAO! Try a real source - like reports from NFPA, independent laboratory tests, etc. Then maybe you can have some respectability - which you do not have now. George -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry, AI0K ================== |
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In article , Jerry Stuckle writes:
You really cite Wikipedia as a trusted source? ROFLMAO! It's one hell of a lot more trustworthy than you are. George |
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On 9/6/2015 8:19 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 9/6/2015 8:52 AM, George Cornelius wrote: In article , Jerry Stuckle writes: This is one reason why ionization detectors are not recommended any more - too many false alarms. That, plus photoelectric detectors are much faster at detecting real fires. And to avoid everyone just repeating whomever their favorite pontificator is, let's inject something a bit more authoritative. Courtesy Wikipedia: snip rest of crap You really cite Wikipedia as a trusted source? ROFLMAO! Try a real source - like reports from NFPA, independent laboratory tests, etc. Then maybe you can have some respectability - which you do not have now. George He did, via Wikipedia. "According to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA)... " You haven't learned to read yet? |
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On 9/6/2015 11:53 AM, George Cornelius wrote:
In article , Jerry Stuckle writes: You really cite Wikipedia as a trusted source? ROFLMAO! It's one hell of a lot more trustworthy than you are. George ROFLMAO. How many certifications do you have in fire safety? How many fire alarms have you installed in your lifetime? I probably am responsible for more every week than you have done in your life. Troll. -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry. AI0K ================== |
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On 9/6/2015 12:11 PM, John S wrote:
On 9/6/2015 8:19 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 9/6/2015 8:52 AM, George Cornelius wrote: In article , Jerry Stuckle writes: This is one reason why ionization detectors are not recommended any more - too many false alarms. That, plus photoelectric detectors are much faster at detecting real fires. And to avoid everyone just repeating whomever their favorite pontificator is, let's inject something a bit more authoritative. Courtesy Wikipedia: snip rest of crap You really cite Wikipedia as a trusted source? ROFLMAO! Try a real source - like reports from NFPA, independent laboratory tests, etc. Then maybe you can have some respectability - which you do not have now. George He did, via Wikipedia. "According to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA)... " You haven't learned to read yet? Yup. But anyone can claim almost anything in Wikipedia - but that doesn't mean it's true. It is far from a reliable source, especially in technical areas like life safety. Now show me the facts from NFPA material, for instance. I have plenty of them here - since it's part of my job. -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry, AI0K ================== |
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On 9/6/2015 12:11 PM, John S wrote:
On 9/6/2015 8:19 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 9/6/2015 8:52 AM, George Cornelius wrote: In article , Jerry Stuckle writes: This is one reason why ionization detectors are not recommended any more - too many false alarms. That, plus photoelectric detectors are much faster at detecting real fires. And to avoid everyone just repeating whomever their favorite pontificator is, let's inject something a bit more authoritative. Courtesy Wikipedia: snip rest of crap You really cite Wikipedia as a trusted source? ROFLMAO! Try a real source - like reports from NFPA, independent laboratory tests, etc. Then maybe you can have some respectability - which you do not have now. George He did, via Wikipedia. "According to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA)... " You haven't learned to read yet? I think that Jerry is mostly wrong in this case, but I will point out that even when wikipedia cites sources, that doesn't mean the source actually supports what the wiki author wrote. I found an example once (which I didn't bother to bookmark, but might could find via my remark made in the talk page) where the conclusion drawn in the wiki page was the *exact opposite* of what the cited reference said! So for anything important, I agree, don't cite wiki, cite the citations found in the wiki. In this case though, I think it would be hard to misinterpret what the NFPA said. -- Rick |
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On 9/7/2015 4:36 PM, rickman wrote:
On 9/6/2015 12:11 PM, John S wrote: On 9/6/2015 8:19 AM, Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 9/6/2015 8:52 AM, George Cornelius wrote: In article , Jerry Stuckle writes: This is one reason why ionization detectors are not recommended any more - too many false alarms. That, plus photoelectric detectors are much faster at detecting real fires. And to avoid everyone just repeating whomever their favorite pontificator is, let's inject something a bit more authoritative. Courtesy Wikipedia: snip rest of crap You really cite Wikipedia as a trusted source? ROFLMAO! Try a real source - like reports from NFPA, independent laboratory tests, etc. Then maybe you can have some respectability - which you do not have now. George He did, via Wikipedia. "According to the National Fire Protection Association (NFPA)... " You haven't learned to read yet? I think that Jerry is mostly wrong in this case, but I will point out that even when wikipedia cites sources, that doesn't mean the source actually supports what the wiki author wrote. I found an example once (which I didn't bother to bookmark, but might could find via my remark made in the talk page) where the conclusion drawn in the wiki page was the *exact opposite* of what the cited reference said! So for anything important, I agree, don't cite wiki, cite the citations found in the wiki. In this case though, I think it would be hard to misinterpret what the NFPA said. Not hard at all - especially when the author is not an expert on the subject, as is the case of most of Wikiedia. Let me know when you are certified for fire alarm installation and are installing 2-3 per week on the average. Then we can talk. -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry, AI0K ================== |
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