Art,
An interesting proposition. Acceleration of a radio wave.
If this succeeds, then does this mean that the wave travels 'faster' than
other waves?
If that's true - and the wave does travels faster - then it follows that the
*length* of the propogated wave would be shorter.
If the length is shorter - then we would perceive it as a shift in
frequency - because we assume all RF travels at the same speed.
For instance - if the wave 'started off' 2 meters long - and was accelerated
to double the speed, then the wavelength would be only one meter long.
Our assumptions may be invalid.
We can only base our responses on what we have learned, but if this is new,
then it folllows that we have not learned it yet.
Let's hear more about your theory.

" wrote in message
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Gentlemen
I have in the past alluded not only radiation from a straight element but
also the ADDITION of radiation
occuring from a bent element. Nobody has commented on the authentisity of
this statement and I have not come acros anything in my own collection of
books.
Now my present antenna consists of various loops connected in both a
clockwise and clockwise radiation form such that the circular polarisation
cancells leaving pure vertical polarisation.. The loops are separatred in
a
way that intercapacity of the spiral loops is reduced as well as circular
cancellation All of this is based on my gut feeling that R.F.current
flowing
around a circular radiating element. What I ask for for those who have a
deeper background of R.F. is verification of my assumption
that extra radiation becomes available.
Appreciate any comments on this irregular aproach as I cxannot find
guidance
in the books.
A serious question regarding added radiation from an element in the hope
that insight is provided even tho it may expose the fallacy of my aproach.
Thanks in advance
Art




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Hal Rosser wrote:
. . .
If that's true - and the wave does travels faster - then it follows that the
*length* of the propogated wave would be shorter.
If the length is shorter - then we would perceive it as a shift in
frequency - because we assume all RF travels at the same speed.
For instance - if the wave 'started off' 2 meters long - and was accelerated
to double the speed, then the wavelength would be only one meter long.
. . .

You're too late -- the hyper-light-speed antenna has already been
invented -- and patented. See U.S. patent #6,025,810. You'll have to do
some splicing if the following link is broken by word wrap. Or it's easy
to find at http://www.uspto.gov.

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-P...&RS=PN/6025810

Roy Lewallen, W7EL

Roy,
the link worked as-is
I saw a TV special (I think it was on Nova) talking about 'string theory' -
that antenna invention mentions mutliple dimensions - and so does the string
theory-
But they (nova) hypothesize that we would need 'gravity waves' (not EM
waves) to communicate into another dimension.


"Roy Lewallen" wrote in message
...
You're too late -- the hyper-light-speed antenna has already been
invented -- and patented. See U.S. patent #6,025,810. You'll have to do
some splicing if the following link is broken by word wrap. Or it's easy
to find at http://www.uspto.gov.


http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-P...&RS=PN/6025810

Roy Lewallen, W7EL


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Hi Hal, nice to meet you
What I have is not really a prposition or a legitimate theory, it is just
something that apears to be in error but I do not understand why so I wanted
something we had to e4xplain in exams which came from first principles. It
was basic pricipals that I was looking for wether it be a comparison of area
under a current curve per unit length compared to area when applied to a
circle or even possibly a mathematical analusis. Roys says I am in error and
should accept it because he said so. He is knoweledgable but just his word
is not good enough.
Richard came in with his bag of tricks with the introduction of "power"
which if nothing is stated he is off and running with an augument on the
net. Ofcourse I did not fall for it, Soooooo I am reconciled to the fact
that
there is not enough pertinent knoweledge out there that can allow
reasonable discussion.
Still I find no discrace in asking the question even tho it may advertise my
own lack of knoweledge.
Note you referenced speed per unit length in terms of frequency where as I
was refering to a constant speed
where the energy input should have transpire3d into acceleration buyt
instead added another vector that like a race care going round a circular
circuit. This is going at constant speed all the time with the foot hard
nown on the accelorator to counteract centrifugal forces evidenced by a
spray of dirt that continues at a consistent rate and not in cyclic form if
one accelerates on a straight runway.
In both cases we have constant speeds but we also have a difference in
phases. Enough said. I have typed up the program to check things out again
which has amounted to 400 wire segments plus the use of 20 variables to
gauge the distances between each succesive coils so I can build the darn
thing again from scratch and thus satisfy myself
on the why's and where fores rather than partaking in what will become a
slanging thread that occurs in a somewhat regular fashion. If I am remiss on
missing an actual true posting that discusses in detaILwhat I was
asking for then please draw my attention to it as I seemed somehow to have
missed it
Very best regards
Art
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"Hal Rosser" wrote in message
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Art,
An interesting proposition. Acceleration of a radio wave.
If this succeeds, then does this mean that the wave travels 'faster' than
other waves?
If that's true - and the wave does travels faster - then it follows that
the
*length* of the propogated wave would be shorter.
If the length is shorter - then we would perceive it as a shift in
frequency - because we assume all RF travels at the same speed.
For instance - if the wave 'started off' 2 meters long - and was
accelerated
to double the speed, then the wavelength would be only one meter long.
Our assumptions may be invalid.
We can only base our responses on what we have learned, but if this is
new,
then it folllows that we have not learned it yet.
Let's hear more about your theory.

" wrote in
message
news:VH6Uc.324209$XM6.205186@attbi_s53...
Gentlemen
I have in the past alluded not only radiation from a straight element
but
also the ADDITION of radiation
occuring from a bent element. Nobody has commented on the authentisity
of
this statement and I have not come acros anything in my own collection
of
books.
Now my present antenna consists of various loops connected in both a
clockwise and clockwise radiation form such that the circular
polarisation
cancells leaving pure vertical polarisation.. The loops are separatred
in
a
way that intercapacity of the spiral loops is reduced as well as
circular
cancellation All of this is based on my gut feeling that R.F.current
flowing
around a circular radiating element. What I ask for for those who have a
deeper background of R.F. is verification of my assumption
that extra radiation becomes available.
Appreciate any comments on this irregular aproach as I cxannot find
guidance
in the books.
A serious question regarding added radiation from an element in the hope
that insight is provided even tho it may expose the fallacy of my
aproach.
Thanks in advance
Art




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On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 03:13:14 GMT, "
wrote:

Soooooo I am reconciled to the fact
that
there is not enough pertinent knoweledge out there that can allow
reasonable discussion.

In otherwords you are trolling.

No Richard I am not trolling I am very serious. At the same time I am always
wary of any aproach by you
as the subject always get shifted and then we are off to the races.
Cecil pointed it out correctly with respect to power. If you were to solve
a parallel circuit using complex circuit methyods the criteria is energy
conservation
but where individual parts change their form of energy s we cannot glibly
say that it revoves about
power or that I am referring to perpetual motion which is how Roy dismisses
the thread but with no supporting data.
Now you say that accelleration and decellaration of protons are not the true
basis for radiation
which certainly suggests that the subject is moot as the question starts off
with a fallacy.
Art

"Richard Clark" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 03:13:14 GMT, "
wrote:

Soooooo I am reconciled to the fact
that
there is not enough pertinent knoweledge out there that can allow
reasonable discussion.

In otherwords you are trolling.

On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 12:49:21 GMT, "
wrote:

No Richard I am not trolling I am very serious.

No Art, you are trolling. There is no one in this group who could
accelerate charge without power BUT YOU? Absurd in the extreme!

You have shown absolutely no interest in participating in a rational
discussion about the requirments of circular motion, but instead you
cavalierly discard all of established physics going back to Newton.

Hence your contempt of the topic clearly reveals you are trolling.

You are welcome to your opinion and it has been duly noted and you can now
move on. I have no intention
of accepting your bait for another raucuos R.R.A.A. battle upon which you
thrive upon to create division.


Art


"Richard Clark" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 12:49:21 GMT, "
wrote:

No Richard I am not trolling I am very serious.

No Art, you are trolling. There is no one in this group who could
accelerate charge without power BUT YOU? Absurd in the extreme!

You have shown absolutely no interest in participating in a rational
discussion about the requirments of circular motion, but instead you
cavalierly discard all of established physics going back to Newton.

Hence your contempt of the topic clearly reveals you are trolling.

On Tue, 17 Aug 2004 16:15:50 GMT, "
wrote:

You are welcome to your opinion and it has been duly noted and you can now
move on. I have no intention
of accepting your bait for another raucuos R.R.A.A. battle upon which you
thrive upon to create division.


More troll bait

Art is obviously a well educated person having the ability to express
himself in plain English better than most.

Unfortunately the technical content of his writings are pure gibberish,
giving an intelligent reader the impression he is having his leg pulled -
or being trolled. I cannot make any sense out of what he says and his
reasoning. I gave up trying a long time ago.

As he so frequently admits, he is unable to understand what he himself is
talking about.

(Incidentally, Richard, you have Art's characteristics reversed. But the end
result is the same - too often I can't understand what it is you are
waffling about.)

Art, may I suggest that before you write you think in QUANTITATIVE terms
about what you want to say. Put some numbers and physical shape into it.
Draw pictures. Solve your own problems. Go back to Ohm's Law and square 1.
Otherwise you will continue to think in emotional terms without being able
even to visualise, to picture, the subject matter.

Emotions and feelings are not a part of engineering except on pay-day. But
the sheer beauty of deriving equations followed by logical calculation,
especially when it gives the right answers, is something which no human
should be deprived of.

As for Richard, old-man, there's no hope for you. ;o)
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