Photons?
 

On Thu, 10 Sep 2015 16:50:09 -0400, rickman wrote:

On 9/10/2015 2:19 PM, gareth wrote:
"rickman" wrote in message
...

Very droll, but you cannot fail to have noticed that reay, as the organ
grinder,
never ontributes anything of value, but only ever sneers, which perhaps
is what lost him his job as a teacher. The organ grinder needs to
change the record.

As for the organ grinder's monkey, I am surprised that you lower
yourself to his level, for he has no technical acumen whatsoever, and
his history since joining this NG 3 years ago is nothign but a litany
of attention-seeking anti-social infantile outbursts.

Don't believe me? I suggest that you should examine only the last
moth's outpourings into uk.radio.amateur by stephen thomas cole.

You are sir, you are king of the jungle!

He's the cesspit's most productive arsehole and our biggest exporter, too.

Photons?
 

On 9/10/2015 2:12 PM, gareth wrote:
"Wayne" wrote in message
...
As frequency is lowered from visible light, there is no reason to believe
that photons disappear when the frequency is below visible.

There is no reason to believe that they appear in the first place when no
mechanism exists for there creation, for all quantisation theory and
experimental evidence arises from objects that are themselves quantised and
not as
multi-electrons in electric currents.

How many cycles make up your RF photon, say, at 14MHz?

14 ±

How big is the photon?

Bigger than a breadbox. But the probability of it being near your
antenna is very low.... no matter where *your* antenna is.

--

Rick

Photons?
 

In rec.radio.amateur.antenna rickman wrote:
On 9/10/2015 2:47 PM, wrote:
In rec.radio.amateur.antenna gareth wrote:
"Brian Morrison" wrote in message
...
It's not like that. The photons and the wave-like effects of their
probability distribution functions, exist simultaneously. You cannot
separate them, therefore they are generated by a single process that is
exactly equivalent in both atoms and antennas.

In atoms, theenergu process is from energy transitions of individual
elelctrons, but that is not the mechanism in antennae.

An antenna is nothing more than a conductor with an impressed AC voltage.

All this time I thought it was an AC current!

Umm, you do know the vast majority of RF sources are voltage sources
and if one ipresses a voltage upon an impedance a current results?



--
Jim Pennino

Photons?
 

On 9/10/2015 5:09 PM, wrote:
In rec.radio.amateur.antenna rickman wrote:
On 9/10/2015 2:47 PM, wrote:
In rec.radio.amateur.antenna gareth wrote:
"Brian Morrison" wrote in message
...
It's not like that. The photons and the wave-like effects of their
probability distribution functions, exist simultaneously. You cannot
separate them, therefore they are generated by a single process that is
exactly equivalent in both atoms and antennas.

In atoms, theenergu process is from energy transitions of individual
elelctrons, but that is not the mechanism in antennae.

An antenna is nothing more than a conductor with an impressed AC voltage.

All this time I thought it was an AC current!

Umm, you do know the vast majority of RF sources are voltage sources
and if one ipresses a voltage upon an impedance a current results?

Wow! So what happens if one pushes a current through an impedance?
Inquiring minds want to know!

--

Rick

Photons?
 

In rec.radio.amateur.antenna rickman wrote:
On 9/10/2015 5:09 PM, wrote:
In rec.radio.amateur.antenna rickman wrote:
On 9/10/2015 2:47 PM, wrote:
In rec.radio.amateur.antenna gareth wrote:
"Brian Morrison" wrote in message
...
It's not like that. The photons and the wave-like effects of their
probability distribution functions, exist simultaneously. You cannot
separate them, therefore they are generated by a single process that is
exactly equivalent in both atoms and antennas.

In atoms, theenergu process is from energy transitions of individual
elelctrons, but that is not the mechanism in antennae.

An antenna is nothing more than a conductor with an impressed AC voltage.

All this time I thought it was an AC current!

Umm, you do know the vast majority of RF sources are voltage sources
and if one ipresses a voltage upon an impedance a current results?

Wow! So what happens if one pushes a current through an impedance?
Inquiring minds want to know!

For you and Gareth, E=IR.


--
Jim Pennino

Photons?
 

On 9/10/2015 6:43 PM, wrote:
In rec.radio.amateur.antenna rickman wrote:
On 9/10/2015 5:09 PM, wrote:
In rec.radio.amateur.antenna rickman wrote:
On 9/10/2015 2:47 PM, wrote:
In rec.radio.amateur.antenna gareth wrote:
"Brian Morrison" wrote in message
...
It's not like that. The photons and the wave-like effects of their
probability distribution functions, exist simultaneously. You cannot
separate them, therefore they are generated by a single process that is
exactly equivalent in both atoms and antennas.

In atoms, theenergu process is from energy transitions of individual
elelctrons, but that is not the mechanism in antennae.

An antenna is nothing more than a conductor with an impressed AC voltage.

All this time I thought it was an AC current!

Umm, you do know the vast majority of RF sources are voltage sources
and if one ipresses a voltage upon an impedance a current results?

Wow! So what happens if one pushes a current through an impedance?
Inquiring minds want to know!

For you and Gareth, E=IR.

Amazing! So current, voltage, it all works out, no?

--

Rick

Photons?
 

In rec.radio.amateur.antenna rickman wrote:
On 9/10/2015 6:43 PM, wrote:
In rec.radio.amateur.antenna rickman wrote:
On 9/10/2015 5:09 PM, wrote:
In rec.radio.amateur.antenna rickman wrote:
On 9/10/2015 2:47 PM, wrote:
In rec.radio.amateur.antenna gareth wrote:
"Brian Morrison" wrote in message
...
It's not like that. The photons and the wave-like effects of their
probability distribution functions, exist simultaneously. You cannot
separate them, therefore they are generated by a single process that is
exactly equivalent in both atoms and antennas.

In atoms, theenergu process is from energy transitions of individual
elelctrons, but that is not the mechanism in antennae.

An antenna is nothing more than a conductor with an impressed AC voltage.

All this time I thought it was an AC current!

Umm, you do know the vast majority of RF sources are voltage sources
and if one ipresses a voltage upon an impedance a current results?

Wow! So what happens if one pushes a current through an impedance?
Inquiring minds want to know!

For you and Gareth, E=IR.

Amazing! So current, voltage, it all works out, no?

For most people; for you I'm having my doubts.



--
Jim Pennino

Photons?
 

On 10/09/2015 13:25, gareth wrote:
"Brian Morrison" wrote in message
...
It's not like that. The photons and the wave-like effects of their
probability distribution functions, exist simultaneously. You cannot
separate them, therefore they are generated by a single process that is
exactly equivalent in both atoms and antennas.

In atoms, theenergu process is from energy transitions of individual
elelctrons, but that is not the mechanism in antennae.

Then why not post your hypothesis for how they are produced in antennae?

Andy

Photons?
 

On 10/09/2015 11:33, gareth wrote:
"rickman" wrote in message
...

I guess he is picturing the quanta as a pulse of a wave which it
*isn't*.

Consider a quiet band, and you receive a single dit, the letter E in Morse
Code.

Before there would have been no signal and neither after the dit.

So, if your RF photons do not have a beginning and an end, as they must do
as pulsed phenomenon, how come there is only signal during the duration of
the dit?

Because they carry on forever passing you and going out into space the
collective signal getting weaker and weaker according to the inverse
square law.
If our sun were to vanish suddenly the light it put out would still
carry on. We would be in darkness after about 8 minutes but someone near
Jupiter would still see it and someone in a different solar system would
still see the light after years.

Andy

Photons?
 

"Brian Reay" wrote in message
...
Don't encourage him.
I suspect he is gradually steering his position towards the one the CFA
'inventor' tried to us to explain how his Poynting Vector synthesis
nonsense worked. This came up some years back and I detect some
similarities. Needless to say it was shot down then. It looks like the
village idiot has dug up the old thread and is trying to use it was a
vehicle to hurl his repertoire of abuse.
You need to remember, the village idiot is desperate for some kind of
recognition- he even acknowledged this when he made the news for criminal
reasons. He has failed in his career and pins his hopes on his hobbies. He
is the pseudo Fat Controller of his local toy train club because he hasn't
actually built a toy steam train, yet another bit of vapour ware ;-)
As for amateur radio, well, his knowledge rather lets him down.

Once again, Brian, M3OSN, Old Chap, you post tirades of abuse; abuse
about matters that exist only in your own foetid imagination.

Why do you behave in such a negative and destructive manner?

Why do you feel the need to invent things about which to be abusive, as you
do?

If you have any of the answers, why not give them, or, if you disagree, then
why not
say so in the gentlemanly tradition of amateur radio, or else keep you own
counsel?

I have no "repertoire of abuse" but you do, and it is very apparent in your
poisonous
rants that pollute these NG on a daily basis.