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Furthe questions to the RF Photonists amongst you.
In rec.radio.amateur.antenna gareth wrote:
"rickman" wrote in message ... On 9/11/2015 6:50 AM, gareth wrote: "gareth" wrote in message ... 3. Also, if your RF photons are generated by that same intra-atomic process, then what must be the laser / maser like process that induces all the atoms in a half-wave dipole to produce the photons in the appropriate phase relationship? IN particular this question because of the unpredictable statistical nature of quantum physics, and the dipole radiaition is completely regular and predictable. Statistical does not mean "unpredictable". The oceans are full of individual molecules of water, each moving in a seemingly random manner from thermal perturbations. But in aggregate they exhibit complex and beautiful movement of waves breaking on a jetty just as mandated by quantum mechanics. So, what is the aggregate mechanism in your dipole that has your RF photons all actin in synchronicity? Are you attempting to ask "How does an antenna generate an elecromagnetic field?" in the most arcane way possible? -- Jim Pennino |
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Furthe questions to the RF Photonists amongst you.
In rec.radio.amateur.antenna gareth wrote:
"rickman" wrote in message ... On 9/11/2015 6:44 AM, gareth wrote: 2. If you claim that your RF photons are generated by the same intra-atomic processes that generate light, then why do we need the so many trillions of atoms that make for a half-wave dipole? They aren't needed. So we could have antennae that are only one molecule high, do you mean? First you would have to be able to understand that electromagnetic energy can be generated by more than one mechanism. -- Jim Pennino |
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Furthe questions to the RF Photonists amongst you.
"rickman" wrote in message
... On 9/11/2015 1:19 PM, gareth wrote: "rickman" wrote in message ... On 9/11/2015 6:50 AM, gareth wrote: "gareth" wrote in message ... 3. Also, if your RF photons are generated by that same intra-atomic process, then what must be the laser / maser like process that induces all the atoms in a half-wave dipole to produce the photons in the appropriate phase relationship? IN particular this question because of the unpredictable statistical nature of quantum physics, and the dipole radiaition is completely regular and predictable. Statistical does not mean "unpredictable". The oceans are full of individual molecules of water, each moving in a seemingly random manner from thermal perturbations. But in aggregate they exhibit complex and beautiful movement of waves breaking on a jetty just as mandated by quantum mechanics. So, what is the aggregate mechanism in your dipole that has your RF photons all actin in synchronicity? Where does the "synchronicity" requirement come from? Antenna are not lasers. A nice wave emanates from the dipole, and not a collection of wavelets of random phase, and yet individual quantum events seem to be unpredictable |
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Furthe questions to the RF Photonists amongst you.
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... I'll probably regret asking, but WTF is a "photonist"? The term that I have coined for those who claim that radiation from our antennae is by photons; a group of people who are then strangely circumspect when the characteristics of those photons are the subject of an enquiry. |
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Furthe questions to the RF Photonists amongst you.
In rec.radio.amateur.antenna gareth wrote:
wrote in message ... I'll probably regret asking, but WTF is a "photonist"? The term that I have coined for those who claim that radiation from our antennae is by photons; a As has been proven by about a hundred years of established physics. group of people who are then strangely circumspect when the characteristics of those photons are the subject of an enquiry. If you want to know about photons, read the information at: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Photon And no, I am not going to re-type it all in for you, just click on the link. When you are finished with that, read the 110 references at the bottom of the article. Your local university library may be of help. Once you have done that, you might get it through your head that the enquiry and discussion was settled a very long time ago. -- Jim Pennino |
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Furthe questions to the RF Photonists amongst you.
On 9/11/2015 1:45 PM, gareth wrote:
"rickman" wrote in message ... On 9/11/2015 1:19 PM, gareth wrote: "rickman" wrote in message ... On 9/11/2015 6:50 AM, gareth wrote: "gareth" wrote in message ... 3. Also, if your RF photons are generated by that same intra-atomic process, then what must be the laser / maser like process that induces all the atoms in a half-wave dipole to produce the photons in the appropriate phase relationship? IN particular this question because of the unpredictable statistical nature of quantum physics, and the dipole radiaition is completely regular and predictable. Statistical does not mean "unpredictable". The oceans are full of individual molecules of water, each moving in a seemingly random manner from thermal perturbations. But in aggregate they exhibit complex and beautiful movement of waves breaking on a jetty just as mandated by quantum mechanics. So, what is the aggregate mechanism in your dipole that has your RF photons all actin in synchronicity? Where does the "synchronicity" requirement come from? Antenna are not lasers. A nice wave emanates from the dipole, and not a collection of wavelets of random phase, and yet individual quantum events seem to be unpredictable Quanta are not wavelets. If you understood QM theory you would realize the two ways of viewing EM waves are not contradictory. Rather they are two different ways of viewing the same phenomena. The *exact* same light emitted by a device will show particle or wave like properties without any difference in how the energy is generated. The only difference is in how it is viewed. -- Rick |
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Furthe questions to the RF Photonists amongst you.
On 11/09/2015 11:44, gareth wrote:
1. If your RF photons are merely a packet of energy for which it is meaningless to talk about frequency, what is the difference between your RF photons when listening to a signal on 14.1 MHz and those of your RF photons when listening to a signal on 472 kHz? Frequency. 2. If you claim that your RF photons are generated by the same intra-atomic processes that generate light, then why do we need the so many trillions of atoms that make for a half-wave dipole? To get trillions and trillions of photons to carry the energy in the same way that a wartime searchlight is bigger than my old pocket torch. 3. Also, if your RF photons are generated by that same intra-atomic process, then what must be the laser / maser like process that induces all the atoms in a half-wave dipole to produce the photons in the appropriate phase relationship? No. A laser/maser produces coherent photons, all at the same frequency and direction. Normal processes produce incoherent photons of a wide range of frequencies and direction. There is no "RF laser" operating in an antenna otherwise the gain would be spectacular. 4. When I listen to a single dit, the E of Morse (Really Vail?) Code, if the photon has no beginning, no end, and no am modulation to bring about such a beginning and end, then why do I not hear a continuous never-ending dit? This has already been explained to you in other threads. I quote "Because they carry on forever passing you and going out into space the collective signal getting weaker and weaker according to the inverse square law. If our sun were to vanish suddenly the light it put out would still carry on. We would be in darkness after about 8 minutes but someone near Jupiter would still see it and someone in a different solar system would still see the light after years." 5. Why do some of you blithely quote URLs at me? Is it because you don't really understand matters yourselves and are thus incapable of joining in a gentlemanly discussion, whether you agree, or not, with what I propose? Why do you post questions and then ignore the answers and just repeat the questions on a new thread? Andy |
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Furthe questions to the RF Photonists amongst you.
On 11/09/2015 11:50, gareth wrote:
"gareth" wrote in message ... 3. Also, if your RF photons are generated by that same intra-atomic process, then what must be the laser / maser like process that induces all the atoms in a half-wave dipole to produce the photons in the appropriate phase relationship? IN particular this question because of the unpredictable statistical nature of quantum physics, and the dipole radiaition is completely regular and predictable. You misunderstand the difference between the behaviours and prediction of individuals and populations. You cannot predict the nature of a photon but you can predict the nature of a population. Going back to the double slit experiment, you cannot predict where a single photon will end up but you can easily predict the spread of photons. If I roll 2 dice, I cannot predict the outcome of the roll but I can show the probability density function of a large number of rolls to a very high accuracy and show it experimentally. Andy |
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Furthe questions to the RF Photonists amongst you.
En el artículo , AndyW
escribió: Why do you post questions and then ignore the answers and just repeat the questions on a new thread? Because he's a tedious attention-seeking troll that thrives on conflict and would be best ignored? -- (\_/) (='.'=) Bunny says: Windows 10? Nein danke! (")_(") |
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