On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 13:38:59 -0400, rickman wrote:

On 9/15/2015 1:21 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 13:19:32 +0100, "gareth"
wrote:

Is it the purpose of this and other NGs merely to act as a forum for the
congenitally abusive duet from that corner of Kent to vent their spleens in
a crescendo of ever-increasing attention-seeking bile?

The purpose of the three cross posted newsgroups are to act as a stage
for you to act out your victim drama.

So why are you enabling?

Frustration. You may have missed what rec.radio.amateur.antenna was
like before he arrived. There were a fair collection of very
knowledgeable experts present, that were able to answer most
questions. There were also very interesting discussions, on such
things as fractal antennas and modeling. I was involved with several
people reverse engineering an MFJ-1800 antenna. I won't claim to be
anywhere near as knowledgeable as these people. I read, I learned, I
tried to answer a few questions, and I made a fool of myself
displaying my ignorance in a few areas.

Today, these people are gone or hiding. Nothing of any technical
interest has appeared for many months. We are now blessed with
discussions of quantum physics, which have no relevance to antenna
design. We are deluged with stupid questions by Gareth which rapidly
morph into discussions about the details of Gareth's perceived
persecutions. I have yet to see any calculations or real antennas.
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!activity/rec.radio.amateur.antenna/xnXlqNH1MAAJ

I just hate to see graffiti on a wall, garbage in the streets, and
Gareth in this newsgroup. Staying quiet hasn't worked, so I decided
it was worth one last try, which apparently has failed. Yes, I became
part of the problem, but I think it was worth the risk. Too bad it
didn't work.

I'm not sure what to next. I'll probably just resort to selectively
reading posts by those that I know are knowledgeable and have
something to offer. I also have a real live genuine antenna problem
that I can't solve. I'm not ready to post it yet, but soon.

What is the best way to handle this? Ignore him... no?

I don't know. Neither shoving a mirror in his face or ignoring him
seems to be working. My current solution is to simply add a filter to
Forte Agent newsreader, that reduces the number of acceptable cross
posted newsgroups from my current 3 to 1 for this group. Since Gareth
likes a large and unwilling audience for dramas, that should drop any
threads he originates.
http://www.forteinc.com/agent/faq.php#BAF8BFCB74FE9B17852571C0000D3065

No follow ups please. It's not worth the effort.

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On 9/16/2015 1:27 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 13:38:59 -0400, rickman wrote:

On 9/15/2015 1:21 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Tue, 15 Sep 2015 13:19:32 +0100, "gareth"
wrote:

Is it the purpose of this and other NGs merely to act as a forum for the
congenitally abusive duet from that corner of Kent to vent their spleens in
a crescendo of ever-increasing attention-seeking bile?

The purpose of the three cross posted newsgroups are to act as a stage
for you to act out your victim drama.

So why are you enabling?

Frustration. You may have missed what rec.radio.amateur.antenna was
like before he arrived. There were a fair collection of very
knowledgeable experts present, that were able to answer most
questions. There were also very interesting discussions, on such
things as fractal antennas and modeling. I was involved with several
people reverse engineering an MFJ-1800 antenna. I won't claim to be
anywhere near as knowledgeable as these people. I read, I learned, I
tried to answer a few questions, and I made a fool of myself
displaying my ignorance in a few areas.

Today, these people are gone or hiding. Nothing of any technical
interest has appeared for many months. We are now blessed with
discussions of quantum physics, which have no relevance to antenna
design. We are deluged with stupid questions by Gareth which rapidly
morph into discussions about the details of Gareth's perceived
persecutions. I have yet to see any calculations or real antennas.
https://groups.google.com/forum/?hl=en#!activity/rec.radio.amateur.antenna/xnXlqNH1MAAJ

I just hate to see graffiti on a wall, garbage in the streets, and
Gareth in this newsgroup. Staying quiet hasn't worked, so I decided
it was worth one last try, which apparently has failed. Yes, I became
part of the problem, but I think it was worth the risk. Too bad it
didn't work.

I'm not sure what to next. I'll probably just resort to selectively
reading posts by those that I know are knowledgeable and have
something to offer. I also have a real live genuine antenna problem
that I can't solve. I'm not ready to post it yet, but soon.

What is the best way to handle this? Ignore him... no?

I don't know. Neither shoving a mirror in his face or ignoring him
seems to be working. My current solution is to simply add a filter to
Forte Agent newsreader, that reduces the number of acceptable cross
posted newsgroups from my current 3 to 1 for this group. Since Gareth
likes a large and unwilling audience for dramas, that should drop any
threads he originates.
http://www.forteinc.com/agent/faq.php#BAF8BFCB74FE9B17852571C0000D3065

No follow ups please. It's not worth the effort.

Too long, didn't read...

--

Rick

Can I suggest people remove the moderation group when responding to
this thread.

One of Evans' ploys is to crosspost to unrelated groups to spread his
poison. No point in helping him.

"Brian Reay" wrote in message
...
Can I suggest people remove the moderation group when responding to this
thread.
One of Evans' ploys is to crosspost to unrelated groups to spread his
poison. No point in helping him.

Once again, Brian, M3OSN, Old Chum, your post is nobbut a vehicle for you to
vent your spleen
in confabulated and false personal attacks.

Why do you behave like that, in the manner of a 5-year-old in the
kindergarten playground?

Perhaps you failed to notice that my OP in this thread was very much to
criticise you in person for the very
reason that you illustrate above?

Have you nothing of relevance to these NG to contribute?

On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 13:51:25 -0400, rickman wrote:

Too long, didn't read...

"Sorry, but I didn't have time to make it shorter."
(Blaise Pascal, Mark Twain, and others).

"Nothing of importance has ever been said on one line"
(Me)

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

In rec.radio.amateur.antenna Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 13:51:25 -0400, rickman wrote:

Too long, didn't read...

"Sorry, but I didn't have time to make it shorter."
(Blaise Pascal, Mark Twain, and others).

"Nothing of importance has ever been said on one line"
(Me)

"The drinks are on the house."


--
Jim Pennino

wrote in message
...
In rec.radio.amateur.antenna Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 13:51:25 -0400, rickman wrote:

Too long, didn't read...

"Sorry, but I didn't have time to make it shorter."
(Blaise Pascal, Mark Twain, and others).

"Nothing of importance has ever been said on one line"
(Me)

"The drinks are on the house."


Cheers, I'll drink to that.
--
;-)
..
73 de Frank Turner-Smith G3VKI - mine's a pint.
..
http://turner-smith.uk

On 9/16/2015 4:52 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 13:51:25 -0400, rickman wrote:

Too long, didn't read...

"Sorry, but I didn't have time to make it shorter."
(Blaise Pascal, Mark Twain, and others).

"Nothing of importance has ever been said on one line"
(Me)

You offer a one liner on the importance of not being brief????

--

Rick

On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 17:18:08 -0400, rickman wrote:

On 9/16/2015 4:52 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 13:51:25 -0400, rickman wrote:

Too long, didn't read...

"Sorry, but I didn't have time to make it shorter."
(Blaise Pascal, Mark Twain, and others).

"Nothing of importance has ever been said on one line"
(Me)

You offer a one liner on the importance of not being brief????

Becoming part of the problem is much easier than finding a solution.

Actually, it's also my commentary on the Twitter Generation, where
most communications is in the form of one liners. Usually its a
statement of position, lacking only in the background, logic, details,
and commentary that would it interesting. That's one reason why I
haven't abandoned Usenet. It's 100% content. Everyone has a right to
an opinion. However, I'm more interested in the background, logic,
details, rationalizations, references, examples and substantiations.
None of that can be delivered on one line.

I'm disappointed that you didn't read my longish rant. It was
specifically scribbled to answer your question. I figured I owed you
that since I bailed out of more than one discussion, unable to answer
your questions. Debt discharged so now I can be my normal evil self.

Drivel: I spent yesterday replacing phone wiring under a customers
house. I thought I was too old for this kind of work. I was right.


--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

On 9/17/2015 12:23 AM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 17:18:08 -0400, rickman wrote:

On 9/16/2015 4:52 PM, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Wed, 16 Sep 2015 13:51:25 -0400, rickman wrote:

Too long, didn't read...

"Sorry, but I didn't have time to make it shorter."
(Blaise Pascal, Mark Twain, and others).

"Nothing of importance has ever been said on one line"
(Me)

You offer a one liner on the importance of not being brief????

Becoming part of the problem is much easier than finding a solution.

Actually, it's also my commentary on the Twitter Generation, where
most communications is in the form of one liners. Usually its a
statement of position, lacking only in the background, logic, details,
and commentary that would it interesting. That's one reason why I
haven't abandoned Usenet. It's 100% content. Everyone has a right to
an opinion. However, I'm more interested in the background, logic,
details, rationalizations, references, examples and substantiations.
None of that can be delivered on one line.

I'm disappointed that you didn't read my longish rant. It was
specifically scribbled to answer your question. I figured I owed you
that since I bailed out of more than one discussion, unable to answer
your questions. Debt discharged so now I can be my normal evil self.

Drivel: I spent yesterday replacing phone wiring under a customers
house. I thought I was too old for this kind of work. I was right.

Before I read a long post I skim it. I saw this at the bottom...

"No follow ups please. It's not worth the effort."

I wasn't going to post at all, then I thought I should try funny. I
guess funny didn't work. Sorry.

As to your wiring, I climbed a ladder to install a bracket to hold the
WISP antenna. As I was getting down I stepped off one step too soon.
With my bad hip I was lucky I didn't fall, but the sudden lurch was not
a happy event. Yes, getting old is a PITA. But it's just a PITA.

As to your long post, I read it.

As to the details of dealing with the troll type, there is little any
one person can do. Because the original troll is not the problem. The
problem are all of the other trolls who's egos and ids refuse to let
them resist the urge to respond. I am guilty as well. I have
criticized, rationalized and even justified. But anything I do is
swamped by the actions of many others... just as your actions are
swamped. It's pointless to do anything or to worry about it. Those are
the facts.

--

Rick