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Wireless Dog Fence
Forgive my ignorance. I know absolutely nothing about how these work but had a question I thought someone here may be able to answer since Google hasn't found anything.
We used a Petsafe brand wireless dog fence with our pets two days ago and they broke through the barrier despite being trained to go back when they hear the beep. One of our dogs was found at our neighbor's house, but her sister is still missing. I know you can use AM radio to find a break in the Underground wire dog fence and was wondering if we could do something similar to locate our missing pet if the worst has happened. We thought maybe we could drive around our area with the transmitter in our van to set it off and it would make a noise on the radio if she was in range. Is this a possibility? Is there a way to know if we are near the receiver on her collar without risking shocking her? Sorry if the answer to this should be obvious. I am just desperate to find her. |
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... Forgive my ignorance. I know absolutely nothing about how these work but had a question I thought someone here may be able to answer since Google hasn't found anything. We used a Petsafe brand wireless dog fence with our pets two days ago and they broke through the barrier despite being trained to go back when they hear the beep. One of our dogs was found at our neighbor's house, but her sister is still missing. I know you can use AM radio to find a break in the Underground wire dog fence and was wondering if we could do something similar to locate our missing pet if the worst has happened. We thought maybe we could drive around our area with the transmitter in our van to set it off and it would make a noise on the radio if she was in range. Is this a possibility? Is there a way to know if we are near the receiver on her collar without risking shocking her? Sorry if the answer to this should be obvious. I am just desperate to find her. -----ooooo----- If you could point us to the technical spec (URL?) for the fence, then we would be in a better position to assist you. You may well have come to the right place, but not enough info (for me, at least) to help |
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Here is the manual for the unit we have. I'll have to look for the specs...
http://www.1800petmeds.com/images/pr...tem-manual.pdf |
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This is the product page which has specs for the unit:
http://m.homedepot.com/p/PetSafe-1-2...-300/100043603 Here is additional information I found about it. Specifications of the Transmitter: 18 kHz Frequency Depth: 8.5 inches, Width: 9 inches, Height: 9 inches 250 volt ½ amps fuse Rounded barrel/front shaped Low/High dial and boundary controls The color is Light gray On the left side there is the Off/On switch Battery – 6-volt Depth: 1 inch, Width: 2 inches, Height: 1 inch Weight: 2.5 OZ. Waterproof Indicator for low battery that will signalize a flash of light on every 4-5 seconds Short and long contact points Receiver Collar Specifications: Battery – 6-volt Depth: 1 inch, Width: 2 inches, Height: 1 inch Weight: 2.5 OZ. Waterproof Indicator for low battery that will signalize a flash of light on every 4-5 seconds Short and long contact points Is that at all helpful? If not, could you be a little more specific on what information you need some can try to find it? Thanks! |
Wireless Dog Fence
Or if there was a way to activate her passive RFID (microchip) and detect it at a distance without having to be a few inches from it, that would be helpful too. I suspect if the technology exists and is readily available, they wouldn't be putting the chips on all of the new credit and debit cards, though. Haha.
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Wireless Dog Fence
On Wed, 20 Jul 2016 08:39:00 -0700 (PDT), ALisha Hohman
wrote: Or if there was a way to activate her passive RFID (microchip) and detect it at a distance without having to be a few inches from it, that would be helpful too. I suspect if the technology exists and is readily available, they wouldn't be putting the chips on all of the new credit and debit cards, though. Haha. No. w. |
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Okay, I was afraid of that. I was just hopeful that there was a way to detect interference with something else when it was in and then back out of range.
I have Vietnamese cousins who do not eat dog meat, but thanks for your concern. |
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That was more of a joke since people typically think that's what the microchips do. I guess satire doesn't come across well on the interwebs.
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That was more of a joke since people typically think that's what the microchips do. I guess satire doesn't come across well on the interwebs.
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We had just replaced the battery in the collar Sunday night. We think we just didn't train them as long as they needed to be trained to understand to go back when it beeps and not go through the barrier.
We've disconnected the power to the transmitter so that, in the off chance that she returns, she doesn't get buzzed when she approaches the boundary. We can definitely put power to it in our vehicle or in our home if there is possibly a way to locate her using it. |
Wireless Dog Fence
ALisha Hohman wrote:
We had just replaced the battery in the collar Sunday night. We think we just didn't train them as long as they needed to be trained to understand to go back when it beeps and not go through the barrier. We've disconnected the power to the transmitter so that, in the off chance that she returns, she doesn't get buzzed when she approaches the boundary. We can definitely put power to it in our vehicle or in our home if there is possibly a way to locate her using it. I would think when you make a big loop of wire or other material with wire attached to it (as big as you can handle, say 3-4 feet across), and connect that to the transmitter, it can be used to locate the transponders. Check that on the other transponder. But it will probably not work more than a few feet away, just like in the original setup, so it is unclear how useful that is. |
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It is a wireless transmitter, but that would probably work with the wired system since that's the method used to check to see if the transponder is functioning correctly.
I emailed the company Petsafe to ask if there was a way to find her using it and was told no, so it seems I'm going to have to hope she just shows up or is found. |
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ALisha Hohman wrote:
It is a wireless transmitter, but that would probably work with the wired system since that's the method used to check to see if the transponder is functioning correctly. A wireless transmitter? Those virtual fences normally use a buried wire to define the boundaries of the area the pet is allowed to be in. Is that not the case with your system? |
Wireless Dog Fence
Nope. It doesn't use any wires. It creates an up to 90ft radius around wherever the transmitter is placed. If you look further up the thread, I posted the product page from home depot's website.
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ALisha Hohman wrote:
Nope. It doesn't use any wires. It creates an up to 90ft radius around wherever the transmitter is placed. If you look further up the thread, I posted the product page from home depot's website. I would think such a system can never have a clearly defined boundary unless it uses advanced techniques like roundtrip time measurement of a radio signal. The "range" of the signal depends a lot on obstacles etc. In this configuration it should be able to locate the dog in a 90ft radius, but that is of course not very helpful when you want to locate it in a neighborhood. |
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Yes. The boundary line is tentative and depends on the dog learning to recognize the been to know it is near the boundary line. You can use boundary flags as a visual aid as well, but, you are right. If we were to move something in our house it would change the boundary.
Yes. We did drive with it in our van on the end of our road where we know no one else has one of the systems to see if she was still alive and within range, but we don't want to do that in areas we are unfamiliar with where someone could have the same unit and risk a pet getting buzzed for no reason when a child is playing near it. We were relying on hearing her yipe when she was within and then back out of range. The point of my post was to find out if we could detect when the collar came in and back out of range (when she would be getting buzzed) if she is injured or otherwise unable to yipe since this unit does not have that feature. Since I am limited in my knowledge about how radios work, I thought someone here would be able to tell me if there is a way to detect when the transmitter comes in/out of range of the receiver collar, even if we could only be able to search up to around 90 ft in each direction. |
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ALisha Hohman wrote:
Yes. The boundary line is tentative and depends on the dog learning to recognize the been to know it is near the boundary line. You can use boundary flags as a visual aid as well, but, you are right. If we were to move something in our house it would change the boundary. Yes. We did drive with it in our van on the end of our road where we know no one else has one of the systems to see if she was still alive and within range, but we don't want to do that in areas we are unfamiliar with where someone could have the same unit and risk a pet getting buzzed for no reason when a child is playing near it. We were relying on hearing her yipe when she was within and then back out of range. The point of my post was to find out if we could detect when the collar came in and back out of range (when she would be getting buzzed) if she is injured or otherwise unable to yipe since this unit does not have that feature. Since I am limited in my knowledge about how radios work, I thought someone here would be able to tell me if there is a way to detect when the transmitter comes in/out of range of the receiver collar, even if we could only be able to search up to around 90 ft in each direction. As others already said, the dog's collar is the receiver, and in this case probably a very simple one, which you cannot locate other than by the audio sound it generates when it loses track of the transmitter. Of course these days it would be possible (and has been done) to make a very sophisticated device that determines the location of the dog using GPS and transmits this information via a wireless network so you can locate the dog (or child, grandma, etc) on a map on your smartphone. But this simple device is not like that. |
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On 7/21/2016 12:51 PM, ALisha Hohman wrote:
Yes. The boundary line is tentative and depends on the dog learning to recognize the been to know it is near the boundary line. You can use boundary flags as a visual aid as well, but, you are right. If we were to move something in our house it would change the boundary. Yes. We did drive with it in our van on the end of our road where we know no one else has one of the systems to see if she was still alive and within range, but we don't want to do that in areas we are unfamiliar with where someone could have the same unit and risk a pet getting buzzed for no reason when a child is playing near it. We were relying on hearing her yipe when she was within and then back out of range. The point of my post was to find out if we could detect when the collar came in and back out of range (when she would be getting buzzed) if she is injured or otherwise unable to yipe since this unit does not have that feature. Since I am limited in my knowledge about how radios work, I thought someone here would be able to tell me if there is a way to detect when the transmitter comes in/out of range of the receiver collar, even if we could only be able to search up to around 90 ft in each direction. I don't know for certain, but I don't think your receiver can cause another animal to be zapped when it is in its own yard. I believe the collar simply detects the presence of a signal and when it drops below the threshold, the animal gets the warning and eventually the zap. But having yours nearby won't trigger another collar as long as it can receive the signal from its transmitter. Do you know if the collar zaps the animal continuously when the leave the yard or does it only zap the animal for a bit and then stop, either because it is further out of range or because of a timer? -- Rick C |
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I meant we were driving around with the transmitter turned on inside our van, not the receiver. Sorry about the confusion.
It has a 30 second timer, so if she came in and back out of range of the transmitter, it would go off for 30 seconds or until she was back in the boundary. Unfortunately the beep is nearly undetectable on the dog so we definitely wouldn't hear it from a distance. |
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Jim H wrote:
On 21 Jul 2016 16:33:11 GMT, in , Rob wrote: ALisha Hohman wrote: Nope. It doesn't use any wires. It creates an up to 90ft radius around wherever the transmitter is placed. If you look further up the thread, I posted the product page from home depot's website. I would think such a system can never have a clearly defined boundary unless it uses advanced techniques like roundtrip time measurement of a radio signal. The "range" of the signal depends a lot on obstacles etc. In this configuration it should be able to locate the dog in a 90ft radius, but that is of course not very helpful when you want to locate it in a neighborhood. No! The collar is receive only. When the dog gets outside the range of the transmitter the collar sounds a tone and shocks the dog until the signal is again received or for 30 seconds, whichever is greater. It's all in that manual she posted a link to. I thought the collar would beep loudly whenever it gets out of range, so it would be possible to force it to beep by trigger that beeping action using the portable transmitter. As there has been discussion of such a system before that operated using a buried wire loop around the area to be protected, I thought a "portable" loop could be made and carried around. However later she explained this beep is only faint (maybe mainly ultrasonic) so this would not be a practical approach. |
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