On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 21:05:23 -0500, Tom Ring
wrote:

Bob Miller wrote:

Personally, I wouldn't attack someone packing a cap pistol. But if
your argument is carried to its conclusion, that law abiding citizens
should have guns as big as what the worst criminals carry, then we'd
all be walking around with machine guns. That's fine, until somebody
loses his/her temper.

One of the staples of San Antonio TV news is showing some family on
the South Side mourning the death of yet another kid killed in a
drive-by or whatever -- happens about two or three times a month.

Bob
k5qwg



Seems to me there is a big difference between people losing their
tempers, and drive by shootings by gang members, such as the fact that
normal citizens don't lose their tempers and shoot strangers.

If you
think they do, show me some evidence.

Five shootings on the local TV news last night. Normal, reasonable
law-abiding people getting mad and shooting both friends and strangers
over trifle matters.

Bob
k5qwg


tom
K0TAR

On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 20:36:10 -0500, Cecil Moore
wrote:

How much voltage does it
take to draw a 4 inch arc?
2 or 3 volts certainly, depends on the conductivity of the skull
beneath the tin hat.

"Richard Clark" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 20:36:10 -0500, Cecil Moore
wrote:

How much voltage does it
take to draw a 4 inch arc?
2 or 3 volts certainly, depends on the conductivity of the skull
beneath the tin hat.
It'll take a bit more to make the voices stop.

On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 09:15:22 -0700, Bill Turner
wrote:

Reg has obviously never drawn an arc from the end of a dipole running
100 watts. I assure you it is indeed possible to set a tree on fire, as
at least one ham I know of proved a few years back. We residents of
Southern California (the brush fire capital of the world) are keenly
aware of how little it takes to get a fire going.


I once set the grass on my lawn on fire (it hadn't been trimmed for
ages!) by having the lower end of the centre vertical of a Bobtail
Curtain array a little too near the ground! Only 100 watts or so used
then ....
Yes, the grass was dry enough as we hadn't had rain for months (I was
living in NZ at the time).

Peter, G3PHO

"Bob Miller" wrote

Tom Ring wrote:
Seems to me there is a big difference between people losing their
tempers, and drive by shootings by gang members, such as the fact that
normal citizens don't lose their tempers and shoot strangers.
If you
think they do, show me some evidence.

Five shootings on the local TV news last night. Normal, reasonable
law-abiding people getting mad and shooting both friends and strangers
over trifle matters.

Bob
k5qwg

Hi Bob, let me help you understand what "show me some evidence" means:

Quote the stories with URLs so that we can decide for ourselves whether or
not these drug-dealing gang-banging criminal history numbnuts meet the
standard of "Normal, reasonable law-abiding people" or not.

This was the anti-gun creeps biggest claim, that Americans all shoot each
other over an argument. It's a bunch of crap and anyone who spreads it is
too. But when you want to start trotting out the lies you've been fed I will
gladly show you where each one has been debunked. At the end of the day, you
are either going to be out of bunk or just go away. Either one is fine.

Jack

On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 15:44:06 -0400, "Jack Painter"
wrote:


"Bob Miller" wrote

Tom Ring wrote:
Seems to me there is a big difference between people losing their
tempers, and drive by shootings by gang members, such as the fact that
normal citizens don't lose their tempers and shoot strangers.
If you
think they do, show me some evidence.

Five shootings on the local TV news last night. Normal, reasonable
law-abiding people getting mad and shooting both friends and strangers
over trifle matters.

Bob
k5qwg

Hi Bob, let me help you understand what "show me some evidence" means:

Quote the stories with URLs so that we can decide for ourselves whether or
not these drug-dealing gang-banging criminal history numbnuts meet the
standard of "Normal, reasonable law-abiding people" or not.

This was the anti-gun creeps biggest claim, that Americans all shoot each
other over an argument. It's a bunch of crap and anyone who spreads it is
too. But when you want to start trotting out the lies you've been fed I will
gladly show you where each one has been debunked. At the end of the day, you
are either going to be out of bunk or just go away.

Jack, if you go here while these stories are up http://www.woai.com/
see for yourself: a domestic argument that ends up with one guy dead,
one lady with a bullet in her neck.

Another guy shot, playing basketball. Another shot in an alley.

Typical Sunday in this town.

I ain't "trotting out lies." Just observing life.

Have fun.

Bob
k5qwg



Either one is fine.

Jack

Bob Miller wrote:
On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 21:05:23 -0500, Tom Ring
wrote:


Bob Miller wrote:

Personally, I wouldn't attack someone packing a cap pistol. But if
your argument is carried to its conclusion, that law abiding citizens
should have guns as big as what the worst criminals carry, then we'd
all be walking around with machine guns. That's fine, until somebody
loses his/her temper.

One of the staples of San Antonio TV news is showing some family on
the South Side mourning the death of yet another kid killed in a
drive-by or whatever -- happens about two or three times a month.

Bob
k5qwg



Seems to me there is a big difference between people losing their
tempers, and drive by shootings by gang members, such as the fact that
normal citizens don't lose their tempers and shoot strangers.


If you
think they do, show me some evidence.


Five shootings on the local TV news last night. Normal, reasonable
law-abiding people getting mad and shooting both friends and strangers
over trifle matters.

Bob
k5qwg


tom
K0TAR



Ok. I'd love to see details on it. I find it hard to believe, since
I've never seen an area of the country with a murder rate like that.
Got any newspaper links where I can read about them?

I will have to make one exception on my previous staement - about 6 days
ago a guy stabbed to death 3 people here in Minneapolis. I have, with
tongue not too firmly in cheek, suggested we need to investigate knife
control legislation.

TIA
tom
K0TAR

"Bob Miller" wrote

"Jack Painter" wrote:
"Bob Miller" wrote
Tom Ring wrote:
Seems to me there is a big difference between people losing their
tempers, and drive by shootings by gang members, such as the fact that
normal citizens don't lose their tempers and shoot strangers.
If you
think they do, show me some evidence.

Five shootings on the local TV news last night. Normal, reasonable
law-abiding people getting mad and shooting both friends and strangers
over trifle matters.

Bob
k5qwg

Hi Bob, let me help you understand what "show me some evidence" means:

Quote the stories with URLs so that we can decide for ourselves whether
or
not these drug-dealing gang-banging criminal history numbnuts meet the
standard of "Normal, reasonable law-abiding people" or not.

This was the anti-gun creeps biggest claim, that Americans all shoot each
other over an argument. It's a bunch of crap and anyone who spreads it is
too. But when you want to start trotting out the lies you've been fed I
will
gladly show you where each one has been debunked. At the end of the day,
you
are either going to be out of bunk or just go away.

Jack, if you go here while these stories are up http://www.woai.com/
see for yourself: a domestic argument that ends up with one guy dead,
one lady with a bullet in her neck.

Another guy shot, playing basketball. Another shot in an alley.

Typical Sunday in this town.

I ain't "trotting out lies." Just observing life.

Have fun.

Bob
k5qwg

Either one is fine.

Jack


O.k. Bob, I'll be kind and say you are not trotting out lies, you're just
delusional, because you imagine these are normal people, when every once of
common sense you have tells you otherwise. And the news stories offer no
details whatsoever, except the area of town (Lincolnshire on the east side).
Suppose you mosey on over to that basketball court and tell us who plays
there. If they ask you, tell them you're making sure they are just normal,
reasonable law-abiding people, the kind that get mad and shoot both friends
and strangers
over trifle matters because they had a gun. Drive bys are always gang
related Bob, if you're not quick enough to understand that call your local
police and ask about it. None of your stories (2 in all, not 5) are nornal
law abiding citizens. Curb your enthusiams for sensational Dan Rather
reporting and stick to facts next time so we have something to talk about,
o.k.?

By the way, see your own link and read about the "Home Invasion Suspect
Charged with Murder" in your nice neigborhood of ordinary law abiding
folks.. Another homeowner dead, murdered in a home invasion while her
elderly parents watched her shot to death, helpless to stop the 23 year old
******* kill her in front of them. Had they been armed, there would be a
dead felon, not a dead daughter. Wish it was your daughter Bob? Want to
watch her savagely beaten and shot to death in front of you? Plead with an
insane killer for her life and then for yours? You bet you do Bob, you sorry
wipe. You're happy that poor woman is dead and would sacrifice your own
daughter too, rather than own a nasty gun and learn how to use it. No? Tell
us where you differ on these fine points here Bob.

Have a nice evening.

Jack

On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 21:10:30 -0400, "Jack Painter"
wrote:


"Bob Miller" wrote

"Jack Painter" wrote:
"Bob Miller" wrote
Tom Ring wrote:
Seems to me there is a big difference between people losing their
tempers, and drive by shootings by gang members, such as the fact that
normal citizens don't lose their tempers and shoot strangers.
If you
think they do, show me some evidence.

Five shootings on the local TV news last night. Normal, reasonable
law-abiding people getting mad and shooting both friends and strangers
over trifle matters.

Bob
k5qwg

Hi Bob, let me help you understand what "show me some evidence" means:

Quote the stories with URLs so that we can decide for ourselves whether
or
not these drug-dealing gang-banging criminal history numbnuts meet the
standard of "Normal, reasonable law-abiding people" or not.

This was the anti-gun creeps biggest claim, that Americans all shoot each
other over an argument. It's a bunch of crap and anyone who spreads it is
too. But when you want to start trotting out the lies you've been fed I
will
gladly show you where each one has been debunked. At the end of the day,
you
are either going to be out of bunk or just go away.

Jack, if you go here while these stories are up http://www.woai.com/
see for yourself: a domestic argument that ends up with one guy dead,
one lady with a bullet in her neck.

Another guy shot, playing basketball. Another shot in an alley.

Typical Sunday in this town.

I ain't "trotting out lies." Just observing life.

Have fun.

Bob
k5qwg

Either one is fine.

Jack


O.k. Bob, I'll be kind and say you are not trotting out lies, you're just
delusional, because you imagine these are normal people, when every once of
common sense you have tells you otherwise. And the news stories offer no
details whatsoever, except the area of town (Lincolnshire on the east side).
Suppose you mosey on over to that basketball court and tell us who plays
there. If they ask you, tell them you're making sure they are just normal,
reasonable law-abiding people, the kind that get mad and shoot both friends
and strangers
over trifle matters because they had a gun. Drive bys are always gang
related Bob, if you're not quick enough to understand that call your local
police and ask about it. None of your stories (2 in all, not 5) are nornal
law abiding citizens. Curb your enthusiams for sensational Dan Rather
reporting and stick to facts next time so we have something to talk about,
o.k.?

By the way, see your own link and read about the "Home Invasion Suspect
Charged with Murder" in your nice neigborhood of ordinary law abiding
folks.. Another homeowner dead, murdered in a home invasion while her
elderly parents watched her shot to death, helpless to stop the 23 year old
******* kill her in front of them. Had they been armed, there would be a
dead felon, not a dead daughter. Wish it was your daughter Bob? Want to
watch her savagely beaten and shot to death in front of you? Plead with an
insane killer for her life and then for yours? You bet you do Bob, you sorry
wipe. You're happy that poor woman is dead and would sacrifice your own
daughter too, rather than own a nasty gun and learn how to use it. No? Tell
us where you differ on these fine points here Bob.

Have a nice evening.

Jack


Jack, you certainly do get rude when someone is trying to have a civil
discussion with you.

Oh, well...

Have a good night,

Bob
k5qwg

"Bob Miller" wrote
Jack, you certainly do get rude when someone is trying to have a civil
discussion with you.

Oh, well...

Have a good night,

Bob
k5qwg

That was for effect Bob, nothing personal. It was intended to stir your
senses a little bit, and current events in your own town today just helped
me do it.

Take care of yourself,

Jack Painter
Virginia Beach VA