Are you guys have fun yet?

Danny, K6MHE

On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 14:20:40 -0700, Wes Stewart
wrote:

On Wed, 20 Oct 2004 12:58:43 -0700, "Chuck"
wrote:

|
|Wes Stewart wrote in message
. ..
| On Mon, 11 Oct 2004 17:01:12 -0700, "Chuck"
| wrote:
|
| [snip]
| |
| |Regarding my claims; you cannot provide
| |one substantiated instance where my
| |antennas did not perform as stated. Where
| |are the complaints? Where are the
| |dissatisfied users. One would think after TEN
| |years there would have been some indication
| |of a fraud if one did exist.
| |
| |Or perhaps you simply imagine that all those
| |good folks who find my antenna design a
| |superior one, are merely deluded idiots, as
| |Brian Beasley once accused...
|
| One only look at the deluded victims and followers of the likes of
| Jerry Falwell, Jim Bakker, Jim Jones, the Nigerian finance minister,
| etc. to realize that hucksters never find a shortage of true
| believers.
|
|Hi Wes,
|
|While what you say may be true, it
|proves nothing, in that performance is
|observable and comparable, and does
|not require blind faith to observe it.
|
| Let me show you how this works.
|
| I _personally_ guarantee you that my design for a 3-element 20-meter
| Yagi will out perform any Raibeam of the same boomlength and at the
| same height above ground. (I'll leave out the "electrical
| boomlength", whatever that means)
|
| Now it is up to *you* to prove this claim false.
|
|Since you are making the claim, and
|there exist untold numbers of Raibeam
|antennas that have consistently beat
|antennas of your design (a yagi is a yagi)
|in pileups, etc., the onus would be on
|you to prove your claim is valid.

No. You have made unsubstantiated claims and *personally* guaranteed
performance. When I do *exactly* the same, you cry foul. I forgot to
mention that I sprinkled my antenna with floobydust, which makes it
superior to conventional Yagi designs.

|
|Conversely, if there were thousands of
|your 3-element 20-meter Yagis that have
|beat out the Raibeam antennas in pileups,
|and the Raibeam guy makes such a claim,
|then it would be up to the Raibeam guy to
|prove his claim was valid.

There are thousands of Yagis that beat Raibeams every day. This
proves nothing, just as does the converse.
|
|It is all a matter of what has been
|established by many instances over
|time.
|
|
| And like any good huckster, as "proof" of the superiority of my
| design, I offer these testimonials:
|
| With the antenna at a modest height of 50' above ground and fed with
| 250' of coax, in the recent ARRL Field Day contest Single-op N7WS was
| able to hold a frequency while running 100 W (SSB) on emergency
| power. In only 17 hours of operation 1357 20-meter Q's were logged.
| All states and all ARRL sections were contacted.
|
|Great... but a single case establishes
|nothing.

Gee, I offered a second case just below and I could go on and on. But
if this is meaningless, which it is, why do you publish such as this:

"...Your 20 meter, two element Raibeam is a firecracker..."

"...up about 33ft on the gable of the house and 70 watts, I can get
into the DXpeditions with no real problems...."

"... I can easily break the pileups barefoot, ..."

Blah, blah .....
|
|
| During the recent YV0D expedition, N7WS worked them not once, but
| twice on SSB (this ****ed them off, but I'm tired of not being in the
| log when I know that I worked them), on the first call, and also
| worked them with ease on CW.
|
| http://dx.qsl.net/cgi-bin/logsearch.cgi?L=yv0d&C=n7ws
|
| Etc., etc....
|
|
|It is a well know fact that Pat Murdoch,
|ZL1AXB and I, both running 4 element
|Raibeams @ 40 ft, held a daily sked
|for close to four years, throughout the
|bottom of the previous cycle on 10 meter
|SSB, with power levels never exceeding
|500 watts PEP. In only about 5% of the
|total contacts were the sigs too weak to
|hold the sked.

It isn't a "well-known fact" I never heard of it before and I doubt
anyone else here has either. It proves absolutely nothing.

|
|... the only signals on the band...
|
|With that antenna, Pat won first place,
|single op CW, in the ARRL 10 meter
|contest both in 1996 and again in 1997 -
|the only years he participated.
|
|http://www.raibeam.com/page11.html
|
|In the years he participated in the WPX
|and CQWW contests, you will find Pat
|listed in the top 10m positions as well.
|
|Now, addressing your first assertion:
|Pat can hardly be a deluded Raibeam
|*cult* follower, since many of his
|experiences are a matter of record.
|
|And that does establish something.

Hardly.