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Fractenna October 16th 04 10:27 AM

Perhaps He WANTS to listen to the short wave bands! Who really gives a
crap about web cast, if he chooses to listen to the radio? I hate to break
this to you, but the world does not revolve around the bloody internet!


Hi Hoe,

Please read my response (on another post), which poses some important questions
to him.

73,
Chip N1IR

Fractenna October 16th 04 10:30 AM

Hi Hoe,

Fat fingers Joe; apologies.

Replace as "Hi Joe,"

73,
Chip N1IR

Brian Kelly October 16th 04 12:48 PM

(Fractenna) wrote in message ...
Actually calling it an extant infrastructure is a gross oversimplification.


I beg to differ. I used the word properly.

They have to add signal boosters every couple of miles plus bypasses to
every transformer. Where the lines are in the average condition for this
country (which equates to poor condition), they will have to upgrade the
lines themselves. Where there is noise on the lines, say due to industry
(welders for example really put a lot of noise across them), they'll have to
track it down and filter it out. Dry areas have a lot of static and they
may have to shield the lines for reliable data transfer. The plains states
have a lot of thunderstorms and once again they may have to shield the lines
to have reliable performance.


Minor logistical issues; part of doing business.

There's a lot of expense in implementing this and a lot of time consuming
work.


Incremental.

The rural areas will never get it as there simply aren't enough
customers per mile to break even. Besides by the time they get the rural
areas covered, if they ever do, these people will have gone to satellite or
WI-FI and there won't be a market.


Speculation; asserted but not shown.

BPL will be one of many options many folks will have, and in many cases it

will
be the only and/or best one. That is why it will be successful in the

United
States.


Not true. Small towns and larger already have dial up and many have DSL and
cable access. Some already have WI-FI and satellite. People outside of the
towns will NOT be served regardless of the marketing hype due to cost.
Customers per mile won't justify it.


Obviously there will be market locations where the business case is compelling;
others where it will be not. Are you saying that they haven't done the business
case? I don't see evidence that your assertions come from such analyses.

The important point is that ham radio is not a factor in the business case, in
my opinion. Ham radio: 'we did you already, didn't we?' Why should we belabor a
point already dealt with, and deal with in great sensitivity and fairness?.


Other options are bound to capture relevant market share as well. It's a

big
country and a huge market, easily amenable to several tech paths Everyone
wins! What a deal!


For BPL to capture and KEEP market share, it's going to have to be as cheap
as dial up and as fast and reliable as cable or DSL. Otherwise it may get
implemented in spots but is doomed to basically wither and die on the vine.


Yes, I agree. Except the 'doomed' case sounds like 20 sigma, to me.

That is why BPL is supported by both Presidential candidates. One of the

few
points both these gentlemen agree on.:-)


No they support it because of the marketing hype that has been done and the
fact that neither is really conversant with the technology.


That is SO wrong. Senator Kerry--I know as a fact--is VERY cognizant in telecom
matters, which include BPL. His staff is superb. I cannot speak from experience
regarding President Bush, although I like what I hear.

After all they
few it as having an infrastructure in place, which is in fact not true.


Sure it is. Infrastructure is not the same as implementation.


Nathan you silly thing she's 99% on the money. And you know it.

Remember the daze around here when you ran your brag tapes about how
well you did in some 10M contest or another with one of your fractal
quads and the JRC xcvr back then? I do. Now lay BPL over the 10M band
and try it again.

Whatever it takes to stir up a ****in' contest eh . . ?


Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


73,
Chip N1IR


Love as usual,

Brian w3rv

Fractenna October 16th 04 01:01 PM

Love as usual,

Brian w3rv


Hi Brian,

I imagine that when 10M comes back, I will be fascinated to do so. I still have
the JRC and use it for MF antenna testing on occassion.

I do hope that, when this occurs, we in the ham 'fraternity' (a horrible
sexist misnomer IMO) will have finally switched to voice-digital modes on HF
and away from SSB . Such digital modes are far less sensitive to supposed
'interference'. About time we were 'with it' and don't let the totality of the
wireless/telecom revolution pass us by..

73,
Chip N1IR

No Name October 16th 04 02:51 PM

"Fractenna"
Thanks for your opinion.
As for non- BC SWL'ing, may we presume
that the intended transmissions were not
made for your information nor benefit? If so,
then how is one to presume that eavesdropping
from a residence as a form of entertainment...


You're one of those brainwashed, Orwellian-fans.

You're living down to your well-established reputation as an idiot.

It is apparent that you'll not be convinced, so it is a waste of perfectly
good bits to argue further.

Oh, you ask me to cite references, I did.

You big fat jerk.




Fractenna October 16th 04 03:17 PM

"Fractenna"
Thanks for your opinion.
As for non- BC SWL'ing, may we presume
that the intended transmissions were not
made for your information nor benefit? If so,
then how is one to presume that eavesdropping
from a residence as a form of entertainment...


You're one of those brainwashed, Orwellian-fans.

You're living down to your well-established reputation as an idiot.

It is apparent that you'll not be convinced, so it is a waste of perfectly
good bits to argue further.

Oh, you ask me to cite references, I did.

You big fat jerk.


My dear friend,

This is not a personal issue; I have faith that you can transcend your tone
here and say something that could be helpful in making your point compelling.

If the point is compelling, then it certainly would make your case , which
would undoubtedly be carefully echoed in the BPL issue.

Emotional gut reactions and name calling aren't the way to convince those who
make the decisions.

I tried; I am sorry I cannot help you unless you help yourself.

Best wishes,
Chip N1IR



- XC - October 16th 04 03:45 PM

Hi Old Ed, it's pretty easy, just did it myself, you just need to setup a
message rule..........

-Go to menu Tools/Message Rules/News
-On the New News Rule checkoff in the following boxes to setup a new rule:
-1) Where the From line contains people
-2) Delete it
-3) click the Contains People link

-type in the name of the offending sender, then Add, then OK
-couple more OK's to close all the windows and put the settings into effect
(you can repeat the above to add more names too)

Have fun, you can add, modify, delete as many rules as you like.
The next time you access the group you will not see any *new* posts from
that person.

73,
John





"Old Ed" wrote in message
ink.net...
But for someone who comes on an amateur radio forum to gloat over
the probable destruction of the HF radio spectrum, I'll make an exception.

Will someone please tell me how to "killfile" this F***ING STUPID
TROLL? I haven't quite figured out how to do it in OE6. (That will
also save me from feeding this Troll, which I'm afraid I just did.)




Ed Price October 16th 04 04:00 PM


"Fractenna" wrote in message
...
If you don't understand the ultimate utility of the HF spectrum then
rolls
eyes... SWL includes a whole world more than just broadcasting. Your
ignorance, or at least a very poor assumption, is showing. And BCB...


Thanks for your opinion.

Firsty, I am not the FCC. This issue was duly considered and carefully
thought
through, so please don't use me as a proxy: they know more about the SW
BCB
than me.

Second, I asked you to educate me: not because I'm clueless, but because I
wanted to give you the benefit of perhaps mentioning an aspect of this,
that is
(allegedly) beyond the extant solutions and prescribed remedies of Part
15.



Because the "extant solutions" will not work in the real world.

Why, we could save a lot of money and trouble if the product emission
requirements of Part 15 were eliminated. Then, the general population could
deal with interference problems on a "case-by-case" basis; if you were
experiencing an interference problem, all you would have to do is locate the
source and invoke the general "shall not cause degradation to licensed
services" clause, and the offending source would be quickly technically
fixed or permanently shut down.

Anybody who thinks this is practical must have a mental age of about 7 (and
pardon me if I'm insulting 7-year-olds).


Ed
wb6wsn


sideband October 16th 04 04:02 PM

Hrm...

Anyone else see the callsign in my post? Fracky here doesn't see it.
(It's blatantly obvious if you know where to look.)

Yes, I drive truck, by choice. I own two of them, as a matter of fact.
I paid taxes on over $150K last year. I'm a successful independent
business man. How'd you do last year?

Prior to that, I was a regional tech support manager for Bay Networks.
I was making a 6-figure salary there, too. Got burned out and decided
to do something a bit less stressful. It works for me.

Prior to that I taught electronics at a trade school in Salt Lake
City, UT.

Prior to that I was enlisted in the USMC, where I was a networking
technician, small computer systems technician, and was stationed with
1st MarDiv G-6 on mainside, MCB Camp Pendelton, and 11th Marines on
Las Pulgas, Camp Pendelton.

Who's your friend, anyway? Doug, N8WWM? George, WA3MOJ? Known trolls
in rec.radio.cb.

CB is required for my job, so there's that. I also have HF and VHF
gear in the truck, and am licensed to use it all.

Since when is someone's choice of employment indicative of their
intelligence or abilities in other fields? Look up the definition of
Amateur in the dictionary, Fracky.

As for your implied insult, sugar-coated as it was, it didn't hit
home. Try again, Trollboi.

And if you'd ever care to supply that performance data that I asked
for oh, so many years ago, I'd still be interested in seeing it. I'd
like gain figures, and directivity figures of your 10M fractal against
a balun fed 10M dipole oriented in the same direction at the same
height above ground, on the same frequency.

-SSB


Fractenna wrote:

1. I ID every time I post. If you can't figure it out, it goes to show



A friend says you are a truckdriver in Michigan. Is this true? If so, it is
important to know your perspective given your comments.

Mind you, truckdriving is a noble and important job--but says nothing about a
knowledge base on antenna technologies; BPL; and so on.

Oh well, nice to beep ya!

10-4 there good buddy!

Chip N1IR



Fractenna October 16th 04 04:03 PM

Why, we could save a lot of money and trouble if the product emission
requirements of Part 15 were eliminated.

Anybody who thinks this is practical must have a mental age of about 7 (and
pardon me if I'm insulting 7-year-olds).


Ed
wb6wsn


Surely no one is suggesting this, Ed.

73,
Chip N1IR









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