See ? There's the bit your not getting.

I listen to SW. My neighbor signs-up for BPL. We share a pole-mounted
transformer. The AC in MY house, under my desk, will be infested with BPL.

I confess I don't get it.

SWLing may be fun, but is it necessary--in the sense that many and maybe most
major foreign broadcasters already have web cast?

Genuinely--please correct my lack of knowledge on this: what is the value of SW
BCB in an era of web cast?

73,
Chip N1IR

"Fractenna"
...what is the value of SW
BCB in an era of web cast?

There ya go.

If you're willing to trade-off the HF spectrum against YAIP (yet another
Internet Provider), and a sucky one at that, then BPL is a 'worthwhile'
(sic) technology. We'll mark you down as firmly pro-BPL, anti-amateur radio,
since you can spend your nights annoying people on the 'net rather than on
the air.

If you don't understand the ultimate utility of the HF spectrum then rolls
eyes... SWL includes a whole world more than just broadcasting. Your
ignorance, or at least a very poor assumption, is showing. And BCB is the
wrong acronym and the wrong band. Again, YIIS.

You've picked an argument and lost (badly).

Didn't someone said that if you argue with idiot, you might look like one, or
it is hard to tell who is?

Troll, trollll, trolllll

BUm

On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 15:48:08 -0300, "Noname"
wrote:

BPL sucks.

Hi OM,

It is worse than that. It is "science" by the mandate of government
definition. Worse² the definition is couched by the Republican Guard
in the economic terms of "business" which by the sheer inept example
of a flat-line Dow Average has been shown to be pure fantasy cloaked
as wisdom of the ages.

Philip Gold, a Neo-Con writer of some 800 articles, in his book
"Taking Back the Right" has characterized this administration's
abilities in managing ANY of these issues of policy as the work of
SUMOs (Screw Up - Move On).

The evidence of this Neanderthalic intelligence mounts every day, and
Worse³ it conforms to a substantial Neanderthalic following that focus
on their portion of the public wealth being slopped into the trough
for their benefit.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC
(1200 new registered voters in 3 days)

Fracky, you have been a regular troll on this group for years. That is why
you posted it and you know it.

"Fractenna" wrote in message
...
Dear OM,

I am sorry that you take personal offense; I will be happy to state why
this
was posted:

1) it has been an ongoing topic on this NG for a long time, and now we
have
final resolution;
2) I did not expect nor require anyone to respond, ergo the 'troll factor'
is
not an issue;
3) The FCC has taken careful and measured steps to assure that US amateurs
remain with the enjoyment of the HF bands, given the sharing of spectrum
with
BPL.
4)It is the very best scenario for all involved. That is definitely worth
gloating over.

Wishing you the best,

Chip N1IR

On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 21:08:32 -0400, Mike Coslo
wrote:

[snip]

| A triumph of politics over technology.
|
Bingo!

On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 04:11:22 GMT, Richard Clark
wrote:

|(1200 new registered voters in 3 days)

If these folks haven't bothered to register before and educate
themselves on the issues, why should they be voting?

As a BTW, the citizens of Arizona have the right to initiate law via
the ballot. (There are a couple of propositions on the ballot to take
away this right, politicians not wanting any meddling by the common
folk, doncha ya know.)

One of these initiative propositions would require a simple proof of
citizenship when you register and when you show up at the polls. The
usual suspects, i.e., the newspapers, the Hispanic "activists", my
gerrymandered-into-office Hispanic congressman, etc. are needless to
say suffering from severe panty bunching over this.

They claim that there has never been any instance of non-citizens, or
those ineligible, registering or voting.

The evening news just reported that 45 residents of the county
lock-up, felons all, were just registered to vote. Some of them
several times.

I guess that's good, huh?

"Fractenna" wrote in message
...
See ? There's the bit your not getting.

I listen to SW. My neighbor signs-up for BPL. We share a pole-mounted
transformer. The AC in MY house, under my desk, will be infested with BPL.

I confess I don't get it.

SWLing may be fun, but is it necessary--in the sense that many and maybe
most
major foreign broadcasters already have web cast?

Genuinely--please correct my lack of knowledge on this: what is the value
of SW
BCB in an era of web cast?

73,
Chip N1IR

Perhaps He WANTS to listen to the short wave bands! Who really gives a
crap about web cast, if he chooses to listen to the radio? I hate to break
this to you, but the world does not revolve around the bloody internet!


-30-

(Fractenna) wrote in message ...
BPL is simply a poor technical solution, and is an interim communications
step that should be bypassed.

True. Very true.

Why wait? People have things to say and see right now.

People need to cross the highway right now, but running in front of a
truck is not recommended.

Ultimately, all telecom systems transition. BPL has the good fortune of having
an infrastructure and a need right now; tomorrow; and for some time to come.

On a personal level, I need BPL like I need an enema.

Seize the day!

Ok... the day is under arrest...Should I hold it for 72 hours?

Solve a pressing problem.

BPL is a dumbass answer to a nonexistant problem.

BPL looks very promising.

It would, to you....
Simply put....BPL, in it proposed configuration, sucks. Only
tweezerbrained people with a commercial or political agenda would
disagree. The idea of the HF spectrum becoming a digital noise
wasteland does not appeal to me. I bet the people over at Houston
Universal Radio will just love it. I can hear it now...Continental
1256 heavy, you are 1 by 1....You are buried in our BPL garbage bin.
Call San Juan Radio... Maybe they can hear you....Forget New York
Radio, they are in worse shape than we are. If no joy, just deviate to
Boston, descend to 2000 and stick your head out the window and yell
real, real, real, loud....Maybe that goofy ass Chip will hear you and
will relay your intentions back to us via his coveted BPL internet
connection....Then, again, maybe he won't...MK

If you don't understand the ultimate utility of the HF spectrum then rolls
eyes... SWL includes a whole world more than just broadcasting. Your
ignorance, or at least a very poor assumption, is showing. And BCB...

Thanks for your opinion.

Firsty, I am not the FCC. This issue was duly considered and carefully thought
through, so please don't use me as a proxy: they know more about the SW BCB
than me.

Second, I asked you to educate me: not because I'm clueless, but because I
wanted to give you the benefit of perhaps mentioning an aspect of this, that is
(allegedly) beyond the extant solutions and prescribed remedies of Part 15.

If you think its worthwhile then its worthwhile to you: I'm glad you enjoy it.
The issues a1) what is preventing you from getting the info in the multitude
of ways available; 2) what steps have you taken to mitigate the interference
(if it exists); 3) can you cite cases where --bona fide- broadcasts to North
America were uncopyable from all locations (with extant filtering methods) of a
residence because of BPL ?

As for non- BC SWL'ing, may we presume that the intended transmissions were not
made for your information nor benefit? If so, then how is one to presume that
eavesdropping from a residence as a form of entertainment needs to be assured
under all times and conditions?

It would be unfortunate to presume this is my argument: remedies have already
been prescribed due to these arguments being prevuiously made to the FCC. So,
why aren't they sufficient?

Please: some substance. Let's learn together--no malice intended nor sought.

73,
Chip N1IR