(Fractenna) wrote in message ...
Actually calling it an extant infrastructure is a gross oversimplification.

I beg to differ. I used the word properly.

They have to add signal boosters every couple of miles plus bypasses to
every transformer. Where the lines are in the average condition for this
country (which equates to poor condition), they will have to upgrade the
lines themselves. Where there is noise on the lines, say due to industry
(welders for example really put a lot of noise across them), they'll have to
track it down and filter it out. Dry areas have a lot of static and they
may have to shield the lines for reliable data transfer. The plains states
have a lot of thunderstorms and once again they may have to shield the lines
to have reliable performance.


Minor logistical issues; part of doing business.

There's a lot of expense in implementing this and a lot of time consuming
work.

Incremental.

The rural areas will never get it as there simply aren't enough
customers per mile to break even. Besides by the time they get the rural
areas covered, if they ever do, these people will have gone to satellite or
WI-FI and there won't be a market.


Speculation; asserted but not shown.

BPL will be one of many options many folks will have, and in many cases it
will
be the only and/or best one. That is why it will be successful in the
United
States.


Not true. Small towns and larger already have dial up and many have DSL and
cable access. Some already have WI-FI and satellite. People outside of the
towns will NOT be served regardless of the marketing hype due to cost.
Customers per mile won't justify it.

Obviously there will be market locations where the business case is compelling;
others where it will be not. Are you saying that they haven't done the business
case? I don't see evidence that your assertions come from such analyses.

The important point is that ham radio is not a factor in the business case, in
my opinion. Ham radio: 'we did you already, didn't we?' Why should we belabor a
point already dealt with, and deal with in great sensitivity and fairness?.


Other options are bound to capture relevant market share as well. It's a
big
country and a huge market, easily amenable to several tech paths Everyone
wins! What a deal!


For BPL to capture and KEEP market share, it's going to have to be as cheap
as dial up and as fast and reliable as cable or DSL. Otherwise it may get
implemented in spots but is doomed to basically wither and die on the vine.


Yes, I agree. Except the 'doomed' case sounds like 20 sigma, to me.

That is why BPL is supported by both Presidential candidates. One of the
few
points both these gentlemen agree on.:-)


No they support it because of the marketing hype that has been done and the
fact that neither is really conversant with the technology.

That is SO wrong. Senator Kerry--I know as a fact--is VERY cognizant in telecom
matters, which include BPL. His staff is superb. I cannot speak from experience
regarding President Bush, although I like what I hear.

After all they
few it as having an infrastructure in place, which is in fact not true.

Sure it is. Infrastructure is not the same as implementation.

Nathan you silly thing she's 99% on the money. And you know it.

Remember the daze around here when you ran your brag tapes about how
well you did in some 10M contest or another with one of your fractal
quads and the JRC xcvr back then? I do. Now lay BPL over the 10M band
and try it again.

Whatever it takes to stir up a ****in' contest eh . . ?


Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


73,
Chip N1IR

Love as usual,

Brian w3rv

Love as usual,

Brian w3rv

Hi Brian,

I imagine that when 10M comes back, I will be fascinated to do so. I still have
the JRC and use it for MF antenna testing on occassion.

I do hope that, when this occurs, we in the ham 'fraternity' (a horrible
sexist misnomer IMO) will have finally switched to voice-digital modes on HF
and away from SSB . Such digital modes are far less sensitive to supposed
'interference'. About time we were 'with it' and don't let the totality of the
wireless/telecom revolution pass us by..

73,
Chip N1IR

(Fractenna) wrote in message ...
Love as usual,

Brian w3rv

Hi Brian,

I imagine that when 10M comes back, I will be fascinated to do so. I still have
the JRC and use it for MF antenna testing on occassion.

I do hope that, when this occurs, we in the ham 'fraternity' (a horrible
sexist misnomer IMO)

Only to an eternal college boy.

will have finally switched to voice-digital modes on HF
and away from SSB . Such digital modes are far less sensitive to supposed
'interference'. About time we were 'with it' and don't let the totality of the
wireless/telecom revolution pass us by..

Tsk, tsk. Terrible troll, not even close to your usual product. Are
you getting old or are you just having a bad day?

73,
Chip N1IR

Brian w3rv

Are
you getting old

Older, anyway:-)

Best,
Chip N1IR

Are
you getting old

Older, anyway:-)

Best,
Chip N1IR

Ah, but not wiser. Sad.

A

Ah, but not wiser. Sad.


I agree with you, I am no wiser. But I've been told many times, over many
years, that I'm precocious. You should be happy that I plateau'ed early:-)

I'm enjoying the wisdom immensely now that I have the grey hairs to go with it.
Not a cause for sadness but celebration, if any:-)

Thanks for thinking of me and best wishes.

Chip N1IR