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Full wave antennae on 137kHz?
In rec.radio.amateur.antenna Gareth's Downstairs Computer wrote:
On 25/07/2017 23:09, wrote: In rec.radio.amateur.antenna Gareth's Downstairs Computer wrote: On 25/07/2017 22:07, wrote: In rec.radio.amateur.antenna Gareth's Downstairs Computer wrote: On 25/07/2017 20:04, wrote: In rec.radio.amateur.antenna Gareth's Downstairs Computer wrote: Drove onto the field on Tuesday and was dismayed to see a big banner marked Tomlinson, which portended a bum job, but it turned out to be a scorcher being a fence judge at the Dauntsey horse trials. Taking my cue from the coupling loop that feeds a mag loop antenna, and sitting pretty much under the 400kV pylon line, I wondered about the possibility of using a loop to couple into the electricity grid and so giving the equivalent of a Beverage at 137kHz? In most places using someone else's property without permission is concidered a bad thing to do. How do you prevent your transmissions from passing through the airspace of the countless millions whose permission you have not sought? A very different thing than "using a loop to couple into the electricity grid". Pretty much the same; using others' property to radiate. Not at all. Well, we've both made our positions clear and there is no common ground between us. Let's leave it there. Yeah, right, using my own antennas on my own land is just the same as going onto the utility easment and setting up equipment to use the utilities equipment. -- Jim Pennino |
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Full wave antennae on 137kHz?
On Wed, 26 Jul 2017, Jim H wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jul 2017 13:58:27 -0500, in , Bob Wilson wrote: On 7/20/2017 2:14 PM, Gareth's Downstairs Computer wrote: Drove onto the field on Tuesday and was dismayed to see a big banner marked Tomlinson, which portended a bum job, but it turned out to be a scorcher being a fence judge at the Dauntsey horse trials. Taking my cue from the coupling loop that feeds a mag loop antenna, and sitting pretty much under the 400kV pylon line, I wondered about the possibility of using a loop to couple into the electricity grid and so giving the equivalent of a Beverage at 137kHz? There is a lot yet to be fully understood about access to the LF bands in the US. But if you are under a HV line, they might well be using the line for carrying control signals for the power grid. The technology, PLC, doesn't play nicely with ham usage. How do you find whether a power line is using PLC? For some reason you can't find anywhere a list of places that are OK, or that are not OK. Instead you have go to a website and ask, and wait to be told yes or no. So we (the hams) are in second place when it comes to sending information over these lines. (There is a fairly new line at something like 250KV close to my back yard. I don't yet know whether it is carrying PLC.) Bob Wilson, WA9D As far as I know, in the USA we only have to inquire before operating if we're located within 1 km of a power line. The only hams that can use those LF bands in the US have special permission, like the exemption given to early SSTV experimenters. The ARRL had a notice just a few weeks ago about how the LF bands are otherwise off limits until some issues have been worked out. It's related to informing the power company or something like that. But it's not in place, so the bands can't yet be used without that special authorization. I'm not even sure if the FCC is issuing more of them. We have the bands here in Canada though. Michael |
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Full wave antennae on 137kHz?
On 26/07/2017 17:58, wrote:
In rec.radio.amateur.antenna Gareth's Downstairs Computer wrote: On 25/07/2017 23:09, wrote: In rec.radio.amateur.antenna Gareth's Downstairs Computer wrote: On 25/07/2017 22:07, wrote: In rec.radio.amateur.antenna Gareth's Downstairs Computer wrote: On 25/07/2017 20:04, wrote: In rec.radio.amateur.antenna Gareth's Downstairs Computer wrote: Drove onto the field on Tuesday and was dismayed to see a big banner marked Tomlinson, which portended a bum job, but it turned out to be a scorcher being a fence judge at the Dauntsey horse trials. Taking my cue from the coupling loop that feeds a mag loop antenna, and sitting pretty much under the 400kV pylon line, I wondered about the possibility of using a loop to couple into the electricity grid and so giving the equivalent of a Beverage at 137kHz? In most places using someone else's property without permission is concidered a bad thing to do. How do you prevent your transmissions from passing through the airspace of the countless millions whose permission you have not sought? A very different thing than "using a loop to couple into the electricity grid". Pretty much the same; using others' property to radiate. Not at all. Well, we've both made our positions clear and there is no common ground between us. Let's leave it there. Yeah, right, using my own antennas on my own land is just the same as going onto the utility easment and setting up equipment to use the utilities equipment. ITYM, "antennae" |
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Full wave antennae on 137kHz?
On 26/07/2017 16:33, Jim H wrote:
On Tue, 25 Jul 2017 13:58:27 -0500, in , Bob Wilson wrote: On 7/20/2017 2:14 PM, Gareth's Downstairs Computer wrote: Drove onto the field on Tuesday and was dismayed to see a big banner marked Tomlinson, which portended a bum job, but it turned out to be a scorcher being a fence judge at the Dauntsey horse trials. Taking my cue from the coupling loop that feeds a mag loop antenna, and sitting pretty much under the 400kV pylon line, I wondered about the possibility of using a loop to couple into the electricity grid and so giving the equivalent of a Beverage at 137kHz? There is a lot yet to be fully understood about access to the LF bands in the US. But if you are under a HV line, they might well be using the line for carrying control signals for the power grid. The technology, PLC, doesn't play nicely with ham usage. How do you find whether a power line is using PLC? For some reason you can't find anywhere a list of places that are OK, or that are not OK. Instead you have go to a website and ask, and wait to be told yes or no. So we (the hams) are in second place when it comes to sending information over these lines. (There is a fairly new line at something like 250KV close to my back yard. I don't yet know whether it is carrying PLC.) Bob Wilson, WA9D As far as I know, in the USA we only have to inquire before operating if we're located within 1 km of a power line. Whereas here in Brit we have restrictions within 1/2 mile of any aerodrome. |
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Full wave antennae on 137kHz?
In rec.radio.amateur.antenna Gareth's Downstairs Computer wrote:
On 26/07/2017 17:58, wrote: In rec.radio.amateur.antenna Gareth's Downstairs Computer wrote: On 25/07/2017 23:09, wrote: In rec.radio.amateur.antenna Gareth's Downstairs Computer wrote: On 25/07/2017 22:07, wrote: In rec.radio.amateur.antenna Gareth's Downstairs Computer wrote: On 25/07/2017 20:04, wrote: In rec.radio.amateur.antenna Gareth's Downstairs Computer wrote: Drove onto the field on Tuesday and was dismayed to see a big banner marked Tomlinson, which portended a bum job, but it turned out to be a scorcher being a fence judge at the Dauntsey horse trials. Taking my cue from the coupling loop that feeds a mag loop antenna, and sitting pretty much under the 400kV pylon line, I wondered about the possibility of using a loop to couple into the electricity grid and so giving the equivalent of a Beverage at 137kHz? In most places using someone else's property without permission is concidered a bad thing to do. How do you prevent your transmissions from passing through the airspace of the countless millions whose permission you have not sought? A very different thing than "using a loop to couple into the electricity grid". Pretty much the same; using others' property to radiate. Not at all. Well, we've both made our positions clear and there is no common ground between us. Let's leave it there. Yeah, right, using my own antennas on my own land is just the same as going onto the utility easment and setting up equipment to use the utilities equipment. ITYM, "antennae" It is "antennas" for the things connected to radios and "antennae" for things connected to insects and arthopods even in the UK, not just in the US, according to Collins English Dictionary. -- Jim Pennino |
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Full wave antennae on 137kHz?
In message , Gareth's Downstairs Computer
writes ITYM, "antennae" No he doesn't. -- Ian |
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Full wave antennae on 137kHz?
In message , Gareth's Downstairs Computer
writes On 26/07/2017 16:33, Jim H wrote: On Tue, 25 Jul 2017 13:58:27 -0500, in , Bob Wilson wrote: On 7/20/2017 2:14 PM, Gareth's Downstairs Computer wrote: Drove onto the field on Tuesday and was dismayed to see a big banner marked Tomlinson, which portended a bum job, but it turned out to be a scorcher being a fence judge at the Dauntsey horse trials. Taking my cue from the coupling loop that feeds a mag loop antenna, and sitting pretty much under the 400kV pylon line, I wondered about the possibility of using a loop to couple into the electricity grid and so giving the equivalent of a Beverage at 137kHz? There is a lot yet to be fully understood about access to the LF bands in the US. But if you are under a HV line, they might well be using the line for carrying control signals for the power grid. The technology, PLC, doesn't play nicely with ham usage. How do you find whether a power line is using PLC? For some reason you can't find anywhere a list of places that are OK, or that are not OK. Instead you have go to a website and ask, and wait to be told yes or no. So we (the hams) are in second place when it comes to sending information over these lines. (There is a fairly new line at something like 250KV close to my back yard. I don't yet know whether it is carrying PLC.) Bob Wilson, WA9D As far as I know, in the USA we only have to inquire before operating if we're located within 1 km of a power line. Whereas here in Brit we have restrictions within 1/2 mile of any aerodrome. But that's a restriction on antenna height (40 feet, I believe - but as I don't live within 1/2 mile of an airfield, I haven't checked lately). -- Ian |
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Full wave antennae on 137kHz?
On 26/07/2017 19:24, wrote:
In rec.radio.amateur.antenna Gareth's Downstairs Computer wrote: On 26/07/2017 17:58, wrote: In rec.radio.amateur.antenna Gareth's Downstairs Computer wrote: On 25/07/2017 23:09, wrote: In rec.radio.amateur.antenna Gareth's Downstairs Computer wrote: On 25/07/2017 22:07, wrote: In rec.radio.amateur.antenna Gareth's Downstairs Computer wrote: On 25/07/2017 20:04, wrote: In rec.radio.amateur.antenna Gareth's Downstairs Computer wrote: Drove onto the field on Tuesday and was dismayed to see a big banner marked Tomlinson, which portended a bum job, but it turned out to be a scorcher being a fence judge at the Dauntsey horse trials. Taking my cue from the coupling loop that feeds a mag loop antenna, and sitting pretty much under the 400kV pylon line, I wondered about the possibility of using a loop to couple into the electricity grid and so giving the equivalent of a Beverage at 137kHz? In most places using someone else's property without permission is concidered a bad thing to do. How do you prevent your transmissions from passing through the airspace of the countless millions whose permission you have not sought? A very different thing than "using a loop to couple into the electricity grid". Pretty much the same; using others' property to radiate. Not at all. Well, we've both made our positions clear and there is no common ground between us. Let's leave it there. Yeah, right, using my own antennas on my own land is just the same as going onto the utility easment and setting up equipment to use the utilities equipment. ITYM, "antennae" It is "antennas" for the things connected to radios and "antennae" for things connected to insects and arthopods even in the UK, not just in the US, according to Collins English Dictionary. Try a dictionary for grownups such as the OED and not one targetted at disuptive children. |
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Full wave antennae on 137kHz?
On 26/07/2017 19:38, Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , Gareth's Downstairs Computer writes ITYM, "antennae" No he doesn't. Read the title thread to which you are both contributing. |
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