Some Guy wrote:
"I have no trouble receiving FM radio broadcasts on a small am/fm radio
I sometimes listen to while onboard commercial jet sirliners (flying at
cruise altitude), but I bever seem to be able to pick up AM radio
stations. It`s just static across the AM band.

Any explanation for this?"

Fuselage of the airliner acts as a waveguide below cutoff frequency
(where diameter is at least 1/2-wavelength). Below cutoff, attenuation
soars rapidly.

FM wavelength is about 3 meters. AM wavelength is about 300 meters.
Propagation of FM inside the fuselage is OK. Propagation of AM inside
the fuselage vanishes quickly.

You need to stick the suction cups of your Zenith portable`s Wave Magnet
to a window to get AM reception.

Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI

On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 08:47:43 -0600, Richard Harrison wrote:

Some Guy wrote:
"I have no trouble receiving FM radio broadcasts on a small am/fm radio
I sometimes listen to while onboard commercial jet sirliners (flying at
cruise altitude), but I bever seem to be able to pick up AM radio
stations. It`s just static across the AM band.

Any explanation for this?"

Fuselage of the airliner acts as a waveguide below cutoff frequency
(where diameter is at least 1/2-wavelength). Below cutoff, attenuation
soars rapidly.

FM wavelength is about 3 meters. AM wavelength is about 300 meters.
Propagation of FM inside the fuselage is OK. Propagation of AM inside
the fuselage vanishes quickly.

You need to stick the suction cups of your Zenith portable`s Wave Magnet
to a window to get AM reception.

Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI

Years ago I could get some shortwave reception by placing the
radio's whip antenna across the window and lowering the shade
to keep in place (and hide the radio). MW stations were generally
too weak to listen to. FM was a jumble at altitude.

These days RFI from the cabin entertainment systems completely
blanks out everything so don't bother trying. Be thankful MP3 players
still work.



--
Chuck Forsberg www.omen.com 503-614-0430
Developer of Industrial ZMODEM(Tm) for Embedded Applications
Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software"
10255 NW Old Cornelius Pass Portland OR 97231 FAX 629-0665

In message , Chuck
Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R writes
On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 08:47:43 -0600, Richard Harrison wrote:

Some Guy wrote:
"I have no trouble receiving FM radio broadcasts on a small am/fm radio
I sometimes listen to while onboard commercial jet sirliners (flying at
cruise altitude), but I bever seem to be able to pick up AM radio
stations. It`s just static across the AM band.

Any explanation for this?"

Fuselage of the airliner acts as a waveguide below cutoff frequency
(where diameter is at least 1/2-wavelength). Below cutoff, attenuation
soars rapidly.

FM wavelength is about 3 meters. AM wavelength is about 300 meters.
Propagation of FM inside the fuselage is OK. Propagation of AM inside
the fuselage vanishes quickly.

You need to stick the suction cups of your Zenith portable`s Wave Magnet
to a window to get AM reception.

Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI

Years ago I could get some shortwave reception by placing the
radio's whip antenna across the window and lowering the shade
to keep in place (and hide the radio). MW stations were generally
too weak to listen to. FM was a jumble at altitude.

These days RFI from the cabin entertainment systems completely
blanks out everything so don't bother trying. Be thankful MP3 players
still work.

With a window seat, FM works OK, especially (as has been said) with the
whip held close to the window. You can also get some SW reception. [I
remember listening to the BBC World service at 35,000 feet.] MW AM is
pretty useless (at those frequencies, the airframe is a Faraday cage).

Some airlines are/were OK about using radio receivers during the flight,
but I understand that these days, regardless of what the airline says,
you might get challenged by some 'over enthusiastic' security guy during
the normal departure security checks.

About 10 years ago (before the recent troubles), I did do some listening
on a UK-USA transatlantic flight. On approaching North America, I was
initially surprised that the first FM station I heard was
French-speaking (from Quebec, of course). I was relieved when I realised
that the 'driver' had not got lost.
--
Ian

Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R wrote:
On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 08:47:43 -0600, Richard Harrison wrote:

Some Guy wrote:
"I have no trouble receiving FM radio broadcasts on a small am/fm radio
I sometimes listen to while onboard commercial jet sirliners (flying at
cruise altitude), but I bever seem to be able to pick up AM radio
stations. It`s just static across the AM band.

Any explanation for this?"

Fuselage of the airliner acts as a waveguide below cutoff frequency
(where diameter is at least 1/2-wavelength). Below cutoff, attenuation
soars rapidly.

FM wavelength is about 3 meters. AM wavelength is about 300 meters.
Propagation of FM inside the fuselage is OK. Propagation of AM inside
the fuselage vanishes quickly.

You need to stick the suction cups of your Zenith portable`s Wave Magnet
to a window to get AM reception.

Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI

Years ago I could get some shortwave reception by placing the
radio's whip antenna across the window and lowering the shade
to keep in place (and hide the radio). MW stations were generally
too weak to listen to. FM was a jumble at altitude.

These days RFI from the cabin entertainment systems completely
blanks out everything so don't bother trying. Be thankful MP3 players
still work.




One notes that you need to have permission from the plane's pilot to
operate any sort of radio (including a receiver) while in flight. With
receivers, the concern is with things like Local Oscillator or other
leakage signals.

Whether this is a legitimate concern is a topic of discussion (e.g.
they've flown commercial planes with an antenna and logging spectrum
analyzer in an overhead bin, and discovered that lots of folks forget to
turn off their cell phones), but the fact remains that the regulations
say no radios, except those permitted by the pilot in command.

Jim Lux wrote:
Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R wrote:
On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 08:47:43 -0600, Richard Harrison wrote:

Some Guy wrote:
"I have no trouble receiving FM radio broadcasts on a small am/fm radio
I sometimes listen to while onboard commercial jet sirliners (flying at
cruise altitude), but I bever seem to be able to pick up AM radio
stations. It`s just static across the AM band.

Any explanation for this?"

Fuselage of the airliner acts as a waveguide below cutoff frequency
(where diameter is at least 1/2-wavelength). Below cutoff, attenuation
soars rapidly.

FM wavelength is about 3 meters. AM wavelength is about 300 meters.
Propagation of FM inside the fuselage is OK. Propagation of AM inside
the fuselage vanishes quickly.

You need to stick the suction cups of your Zenith portable`s Wave Magnet
to a window to get AM reception.

Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI

Years ago I could get some shortwave reception by placing the
radio's whip antenna across the window and lowering the shade
to keep in place (and hide the radio). MW stations were generally
too weak to listen to. FM was a jumble at altitude.

These days RFI from the cabin entertainment systems completely
blanks out everything so don't bother trying. Be thankful MP3 players
still work.




One notes that you need to have permission from the plane's pilot to
operate any sort of radio (including a receiver) while in flight. With
receivers, the concern is with things like Local Oscillator or other
leakage signals.

Whether this is a legitimate concern is a topic of discussion (e.g.
they've flown commercial planes with an antenna and logging spectrum
analyzer in an overhead bin, and discovered that lots of folks forget to
turn off their cell phones), but the fact remains that the regulations
say no radios, except those permitted by the pilot in command.

And the reality is the pilot in command of commercial aircraft has to
follow the policies of his employer, most of which take the safe
route of banning everything that might even remotely cause a problem.


--
Jim Pennino

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Jim Lux wrote:
Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R wrote:
On Mon, 13 Dec 2004 08:47:43 -0600, Richard Harrison wrote:

Some Guy wrote:
"I have no trouble receiving FM radio broadcasts on a small am/fm radio
I sometimes listen to while onboard commercial jet sirliners (flying at
cruise altitude), but I bever seem to be able to pick up AM radio
stations. It`s just static across the AM band.

Any explanation for this?"

Fuselage of the airliner acts as a waveguide below cutoff frequency
(where diameter is at least 1/2-wavelength). Below cutoff, attenuation
soars rapidly.

FM wavelength is about 3 meters. AM wavelength is about 300 meters.
Propagation of FM inside the fuselage is OK. Propagation of AM inside
the fuselage vanishes quickly.

You need to stick the suction cups of your Zenith portable`s Wave Magnet
to a window to get AM reception.

Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI

Years ago I could get some shortwave reception by placing the
radio's whip antenna across the window and lowering the shade
to keep in place (and hide the radio). MW stations were generally
too weak to listen to. FM was a jumble at altitude.

These days RFI from the cabin entertainment systems completely
blanks out everything so don't bother trying. Be thankful MP3 players
still work.




One notes that you need to have permission from the plane's pilot to
operate any sort of radio (including a receiver) while in flight. With
receivers, the concern is with things like Local Oscillator or other
leakage signals.

Whether this is a legitimate concern is a topic of discussion (e.g.
they've flown commercial planes with an antenna and logging spectrum
analyzer in an overhead bin, and discovered that lots of folks forget to
turn off their cell phones), but the fact remains that the regulations
say no radios, except those permitted by the pilot in command.

And the reality is the pilot in command of commercial aircraft has to
follow the policies of his employer, most of which take the safe
route of banning everything that might even remotely cause a problem.

Well, about 10 years ago, Virgin Atlantic certainly did list radio
receivers as OK to use in flight (and I took advantage of the facility).
I'm sure that they would have been fully aware of possible technical
problems. However, the novelty soon wears off, and haven't bothered even
checking (or listening) since. In any case, the size and weight of your
carry-on bag has been severely curtailed (and such restrictions
enforced) and, on a 9 or 10 hour flight, you find that need to be more
circumspect about what you choose to pack in your cabin bag.
--
Ian