James Wilson wrote:
What does BPL sound like? Can someone post a wav file somewhere so it can
be identified? Is it worse that the Pennsylvania QSO party?

Did someone take over a frequency you owned?

- Mike KB3EIA -

Mike Coslo wrote in message .net...
James Wilson wrote:
What does BPL sound like? Can someone post a wav file somewhere so it can
be identified? Is it worse that the Pennsylvania QSO party?

Did someone take over a frequency you owned?

- Mike KB3EIA -

Mike, that was kinda rude.

(Brian) wrote in message . com...

What does BPL sound like? Can someone post a wav file somewhere so it can
be identified? Is it worse that the Pennsylvania QSO party?

Did someone take over a frequency you owned?

Mike, that was kinda rude.

Whoa....BRAIN suggesting to someone else what is rude!

Steve, K4YZ

Steve Robeson, K4CAP wrote:
(Brian) wrote in message . com...


What does BPL sound like? Can someone post a wav file somewhere so it can
be identified? Is it worse that the Pennsylvania QSO party?

Did someone take over a frequency you owned?


Mike, that was kinda rude.


Whoa....BRAIN suggesting to someone else what is rude!


Whadid I doo? Heck just last weekend in a contest on 40 and 80 meters,
I went to some open frequencies and asked "is the frequency in use? And
several times a ham wouls reply and say "yes it is". Then nothing would
happen. Silence.

If those hams didn't own those frquencies they wouldn't lord over them
would they? No wonder they don't like us contesters. Those poor guys had
to sit by their radios all day to keep teletresspassers like me off
their frequencies!

- Mike KB3EIA -

On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 22:20:31 -0400, "Ryan, KC8PMX"
wrote:

Just found out today listening to a local, reputable radio station that Bay,
Saginaw and Midland Counties in Michigan are going to be "test sites" for
BPL, at least for Michigan. I don't know when it will be an actual reality,
as opposed to being in the planning stages, but will keep current with their
project!


Ryan KC8PMX
Midland, Michigan

What the "ham density" like in the Tri-Cities these days? Moved away
27 years ago (Bay City/Essexville) and not having been a ham then I
was out of touch with such things. I do know that it wasn't too high
a population density overall - perhaps they are targeting low ham
population areas in the testing so they can show a low interference
complaint volume?

I think Carl's on track in his post; the more credible the reports of
interference the more likely they will be taken seriously.

Howard

On Mon, 13 Oct 2003 00:18:29 GMT, Howard
wrote:

On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 22:20:31 -0400, "Ryan, KC8PMX"
wrote:

Just found out today listening to a local, reputable radio station that Bay,
Saginaw and Midland Counties in Michigan are going to be "test sites" for
BPL, at least for Michigan. I don't know when it will be an actual reality,
as opposed to being in the planning stages, but will keep current with their
project!


Ryan KC8PMX
Midland, Michigan

What the "ham density" like in the Tri-Cities these days? Moved away
27 years ago (Bay City/Essexville) and not having been a ham then I
was out of touch with such things. I do know that it wasn't too high
a population density overall - perhaps they are targeting low ham
population areas in the testing so they can show a low interference
complaint volume?

I think Carl's on track in his post; the more credible the reports of
interference the more likely they will be taken seriously.

If you count everyone it's probably well over several hundred in the
tri-county area.. I'd guess for active hams on HF and low VHF it's
well over 100. It's probably more than that as "I recall" Midland
club meetings run 30 to 40 although Ryan has a better memory than I
and besides...he goes to the meetings. I hit about two a year. As I
recall, Saginaw has a larger ham population. Bay City? They have an
active group, but I have no idea as to numbers.

There are a number of High power DXers and county hunters and some
relatively elaborate antenna systems.

Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member)
www.rogerhalstead.com
N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2)



Howard

Saw Roger K8RI's post as well, but will try to answer as well.

Bay County has around 300 hams listed, Saginaw has almost 500 listed, and
Midland has about 230-250 listed as hams living in those areas. The Midland
Amateur Radio Club has about 80 members with about 20-30 actually active.
The Bay Area Amateur Radio Club has about 35-50 club members and has about
20 or so that are active and the Saginaw Valley Amateur Radio Association
has about 30 members with somewhere between 15-20 members active.

It's kinda funny though, with almost a thousand hams between 3 counties, I
sure as hell do not hear much on the ham bands, both HF and VHF/UHF. One
would think that they would hear a ton of radio usage but thats not the
case.... I would say that maybe 10-20% of the total population around here
is actually active on a regular basis. (that's probably true about alot of
things though...


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Ryan, KC8PMX
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"Howard" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 10 Oct 2003 22:20:31 -0400, "Ryan, KC8PMX"
wrote:

Just found out today listening to a local, reputable radio station that
Bay,
Saginaw and Midland Counties in Michigan are going to be "test sites" for
BPL, at least for Michigan. I don't know when it will be an actual
reality,
as opposed to being in the planning stages, but will keep current with
their
project!


Ryan KC8PMX
Midland, Michigan

What the "ham density" like in the Tri-Cities these days? Moved away
27 years ago (Bay City/Essexville) and not having been a ham then I
was out of touch with such things. I do know that it wasn't too high
a population density overall - perhaps they are targeting low ham
population areas in the testing so they can show a low interference
complaint volume?

I think Carl's on track in his post; the more credible the reports of
interference the more likely they will be taken seriously.

Howard

You raise an interesting question, Carl. How exactly should the
average ham go about proving that the RFI is indeed BPL, when the BPL
people say
"That's not us!'??

In the case in Emmaus, the PPL rep told a reporter that Carl had misidentified
a "neon sign" (in a residential neighborhood) as BPL. First, Carl is
professionally adept with spread spectrum, so he knows what an SS signal sounds
like. The signal was heard only in the trial area and when I was in Emmaus, I
worked with a local in the trial area who downloaded files for me. When the
download started, the noise started; when it stopped, the noise stopped.

What really proves it to be not a neon sign, however, is that the time-domain
(oscilloscope) signature of the received signal does not have a pronounced
120-Hz signature. Had the PPL representative actually looked at the signal, he
would have known that his "explanation" was pretty transparent.

I have extended by email a very cordial inviation for the PPL folks to attend a
local club talk I gave; they did not respond. I then emailed a cordial
invitation to work with them on interference issues; they did not respond. This
boggles the mind, because if I were about to invest millions of dollars of my
company's money and a national organization came to me and told me that there
was a serious problem with the technology, and offered to drive over 200 miles
just to show it to me, I think I would spend the hour or two and take a look.

73,
Ed Hare, W1RFI

In the eyes of the BPL, there's no problem with the technology that
needs to be addressed. It will make barrels of money for them. So what's
the problem?

I've learned that when the actions of a person or company don't make
sense, it's simply because I've misunderstood their motives or
situation. Their response is perfectly logical if you begin with the
premise that the necessary money has been spent on the right politicians
and political campaigns to assure approval regardless of the actions of
irritating gnats like hams and the ARRL. If that's the case, then it's
simply a waste of time and money for them to pay any attention to the
likes of the ARRL.

I'll bet you'll find that their other actions are consistent with this
model. I suspect that the ARRL's effort would better be spent locating
and trying to persuade the purchased politicians that their political
futures might be affected by approval, rather than trying to convince
the BPL that there's something wrong with their attempt to make lots of
money.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL

W1RFI wrote:
. . .
I have extended by email a very cordial inviation for the PPL folks to attend a
local club talk I gave; they did not respond. I then emailed a cordial
invitation to work with them on interference issues; they did not respond. This
boggles the mind, because if I were about to invest millions of dollars of my
company's money and a national organization came to me and told me that there
was a serious problem with the technology, and offered to drive over 200 miles
just to show it to me, I think I would spend the hour or two and take a look.

I'll bet you'll find that their other actions are consistent with this
model. I suspect that the ARRL's effort would better be spent locating
and trying to persuade the purchased politicians that their political
futures might be affected by approval, rather than trying to convince
the BPL that there's something wrong with their attempt to make lots of
money.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL

At this point, they are probably still actively persuing investors.
If the investors get the idea that there's a potential dead end here, they
will go elsewhere.
The ones that are already in though, will be mad at us, most likely.