"Carl R. Stevenson" wrote in message
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"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
om...

"Ryan, KC8PMX" wrote in message
...
Just found out today listening to a local, reputable radio station
that
Bay,
Saginaw and Midland Counties in Michigan are going to be "test sites"
for
BPL, at least for Michigan. I don't know when it will be an actual
reality,
as opposed to being in the planning stages, but will keep current with
their
project!


Ryan KC8PMX
Midland, Michigan



Go to the sites. Check out the interference. If it's as bad as they
say,
write the local commercial radio stations to say they are being
interfered
with, write your congressman, and write the FCC.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


Ryan, et al, PLEASE coordinate with Ed Hare, ... and don't
"write/contact your local commercial radio stations" UNLESS they ACTUALLY
ARE being interfered with AND you are ABSOLUTELY SURE it's BPL.

Yes and no Carl.... if it makes it impossible to RECIEVE our local broadcast
stations, I would think that the local broadcasters would be VERY interested
to know that nobody is getting thier signal, except cable subscribers.


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Ryan, KC8PMX
FF1-FF2-MFR-(pending NREMT-B!)
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Yes and no Carl.... if it makes it impossible to RECIEVE our local broadcast
stations, I would think that the local broadcasters would be VERY interested
to know that nobody is getting thier signal, except cable subscribers.

A number of hams have reported to the FCC that there was interference to the AM
BC band in Emmaus, PA. In my last visit there, I tuned the AM band while
parked in the trial area and heard no BPL interference whatsoever. From the
looks of the comments, someone posted a "template" and urged hams to file it.

The BPL problem appears to be primarily one of HF and low VHF. There may be
some harmonics into the TV channels, but those harmonics will be a LOT weaker
than ours are, so we need to be careful of what we wish for.

73,
Ed Hare, W1RFI

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
om...

"Ryan, KC8PMX" wrote in message
...
Just found out today listening to a local, reputable radio station that
Bay,
Saginaw and Midland Counties in Michigan are going to be "test sites"
for
BPL, at least for Michigan. I don't know when it will be an actual
reality,
as opposed to being in the planning stages, but will keep current with
their
project!


Ryan KC8PMX
Midland, Michigan



Go to the sites. Check out the interference. If it's as bad as they say,
write the local commercial radio stations to say they are being interfered
with, write your congressman, and write the FCC.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE



The Bay, Saginaw and Midland clubs are going to work together on that......
Strength in numbers, at least locally.





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Ryan, KC8PMX
FF1-FF2-MFR-(pending NREMT-B!)
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... --. .... - . .-. ...

What does BPL sound like? Can someone post a wav file somewhere so it can
be identified? Is it worse that the Pennsylvania QSO party?

BPL, at least for Michigan. I don't know when it will be an actual
reality,
as opposed to being in the planning stages, but will keep current with
their
project!

"James Wilson" wrote in message
. ..
What does BPL sound like? Can someone post a wav file somewhere so it can
be identified? Is it worse that the Pennsylvania QSO party?


The ARRL website has a recording. It would make things like the PA QSO
party (and other communications) nearly impossible.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE

"James Wilson" wrote in message
. ..
What does BPL sound like? Can someone post a wav file somewhere so it can
be identified? Is it worse that the Pennsylvania QSO party?

The video on the ARRL website shows a couple of BPL variants ...
one that uses SS and another (test area 4) that uses OFDM.
They sound different.

Again, I cannot over-emphasize the importance of making SURE
that complaints of "BPL interference" are REALLY from BPL and
not some other source.

The LAST thing we need now is a bunch of people "crying wolf."
(Real complaints are one thing, crying wolf will only HURT us.)

73,
Carl - wk3c

www.arrl.org follow the links.

And yes its much worse than a contest. You wont even hear the contesters.

Dan/W4NTI

"James Wilson" wrote in message
. ..
What does BPL sound like? Can someone post a wav file somewhere so it can
be identified? Is it worse that the Pennsylvania QSO party?

BPL, at least for Michigan. I don't know when it will be an actual
reality,
as opposed to being in the planning stages, but will keep current with
their
project!

"James Wilson" wrote in message ...
What does BPL sound like? Can someone post a wav file somewhere so it can
be identified?


The ARRL website is loaded with video and/or audio files which will
clearly demonstrate what the various forms of BPL signals sound like
and the havoc they generate throughout the HF spectrum.

http://www.arrl.org/tis/info/HTML/plc/#Video


Is it worse that the Pennsylvania QSO party?

If BBL is broadly implemented you won't have to worry about the PAQP.
There won't be a PAQP.


BPL, at least for Michigan. I don't know when it will be an actual
reality,
as opposed to being in the planning stages, but will keep current with
their
project!

w3rv

"Brian Kelly" wrote in message
om...
"James Wilson" wrote in message
...
What does BPL sound like? Can someone post a wav file somewhere so it
can
be identified?


The ARRL website is loaded with video and/or audio files which will
clearly demonstrate what the various forms of BPL signals sound like
and the havoc they generate throughout the HF spectrum.

http://www.arrl.org/tis/info/HTML/plc/#Video

That helps a lot. I see what was meant by "geiger counter" sound now, as
well as the other sort of noise.

I do have a spectrum analyzer here, so that will help, when the day comes.
At the moment, the only broadband available here is DSL or cable modem,
which have been well-behaved neighbors. I'm using a cable modem now, and I
don't notice anything from it, even when I tune into the bands that it uses.
We have regular overflights scanning for leakage, so it appears that Comcast
is making the effort.

In article ,
says...
What does BPL sound like? Can someone post a wav file somewhere so it can
be identified? Is it worse that the Pennsylvania QSO party?

The ARRL web site (www.arrl.org) has a video that can be downloaded that
shows how severe this interference can be. They took a vehicle equipped
with HF equipment and drove around areas where BPL is in use as a test
program. The noise levels are horrendous.

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-- //Steve//

Steve Silverwood, KB6OJS
Fountain Valley, CA
Email:
Web: http://home.earthlink.net/~kb6ojs_steve