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Richard Clark April 1st 05 08:59 AM

On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 23:11:04 -0800, "John Smith"
wrote:

My gawd! Is this the same Richard Clark which I just reported to mental
health for a three day observation???


Hi Brett,

Catch a particularly interesting movie? A good one for programmers
from Argentina: "Una Sombra Ya Pronto Seras" comes to mind. However,
in a diverse crowd at the end of the road and for those willing to
truck 2 tons of nitro over the Andes: "Le Salaire De La Peur."

For Art, all of this is like sitting through "The Saragossa
Manuscript." ;-)

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

John Smith April 1st 05 03:33 PM

Err, Richard, I like the other personality better, yanno, the technical one
which imitated sanity in a believable manner?

Hey, just how many of those multiple personalities do you have? But, only
one sane one?



Regards


--
Hay, if'n ya'll cun't konstructivly partecipete in this har disscusion, haw
aboot speel-checkin it fer me?


"Richard Clark" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 31 Mar 2005 23:11:04 -0800, "John Smith"
wrote:

My gawd! Is this the same Richard Clark which I just reported to mental
health for a three day observation???


Hi Brett,

Catch a particularly interesting movie? A good one for programmers
from Argentina: "Una Sombra Ya Pronto Seras" comes to mind. However,
in a diverse crowd at the end of the road and for those willing to
truck 2 tons of nitro over the Andes: "Le Salaire De La Peur."

For Art, all of this is like sitting through "The Saragossa
Manuscript." ;-)

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC




Richard Clark April 1st 05 06:36 PM

On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 06:33:17 -0800, "John Smith"
wrote:

Hey, just how many of those multiple personalities do you have? But, only
one sane one?


Hi Brett,

How many screen names do you have? Is your serial multiple
personality somehow better than what you see as parallel multiple
personality? What about false personality? What you perceive as a
talent in yourself is projected to be the mark of a fool upon another.
In this group, we observe the laws of what are called symmetry and
reciprocity - two very strong, scientific principles.

The responsibility of posting to a newsgroup is that only you choose
what you think is important to discuss. Of your choices to go
technical or metaphysical (or CB truckers), I have no control over. I
have responded to your technical comments and your sidebars (as now)
equally.

Upon my analysis of the Top Hat on J-Pole you could have acknowledged
the results, asked questions about particulars of implementation, or
challenged the results to greater scrutiny - and simply ignored side
topics. I observe you have not shown any interest in obtaining the
model used. We share models as a commonplace expectation of peer
review. Any of this would have constituted technical correspondence.

Instead, the side-topics attracted your notice and you took that route
instead. I welcome all correspondence, but I am not responsible for
what you respond to when there are choices - especially when you can
add topics as well (a privilege I exercise, you present above, and I
do not object to in anyone).

So, as I offered so long ago:
1. Adding a coil offers loss [demonstrated];
2. Physical size in relation to wavelength dominates launch
characteristics [demonstrated];
3. It barely matters [less than 1dB].

The launch gain of a half wave radiator did not appear simply because
a much shorter antenna is ginned up to be antiresonant [demonstrated].

This also returns me to an unanswered question (also technical):
The rubber duckie antenna is certainly useful for some situations, however,
it is better if it stays on the walkie-talkie and we use another design for
portable or base use.

Given this opprobrium, what makes its cousin for 20M more suitable?


OR

I am both content, and competent to discuss those movies that would
have been more enjoyable than the alternative of sitting through the
snooze of finding gain from a small antenna.

OR

I am content discussing how to obtain the most gain from a small
antenna, or simply pointing you at 300 pages of results I've done
years ago.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

John Smith April 1st 05 11:47 PM

You seem to have a problem with my name...

Would what I say have more importance to you if my name were "George Walker
Bush?" How about "Princess Dianna?", "Lord Balder Wash?" How about an
alcoholic PhD. down on his luck--Edward Noble, PhD., in the gutter?

Is a rose not still a rose by any other name? Is logic not still the same
logic no matter who speaks it?



I have hoisted the pirate's flag in rebellion of fools who place importance
on bloodline, circumstance of life or the self-importance of their being
or--even for the sake of control alone--BUCKO!

However, instead of a skull and bones, the symbol on my banner looks
surprisingly like--JOHN SMITH!!! (who was that masked man anyway? (hey, that
voice sounded like Tonto!)--well, maybe it looks even a bit like Alfred E.
Newman!

I'll tell ya what, pick a noble sounding name, the sound of which inspires
shock and awe in those who fall victim to my speech--I'll change my gmail
account for you....)



You have already tempted me to replace my Russian made "California Kilowatt"
(well, 5.5 KW--but it is hard to get true linear performance at reduced
input power and drive grin) and "keenwood", with a 6X2 push pull in
parallel, 1500w+ Chicken Band linear! And, that 225 amp 13.8 v power supply
gets hot when I just think about a key down! (the sound of all those cooling
fans are annoying, don't cha think?) Somewhere in the attic is an old
Johnson 11 meter with increased output to drive the 1500!!! I can hear the
"Anyone got a Radio Check", "Break channel 19", "10-4 GOOD BUDDY",
"AUUDDDDIIIIIOOOOO!" and "What's up ahead southbound?" coming off the 11
meter band now!--it brings a tear to my eye I tell ya, the memories.... and
the ham bashing sessions we used to engage in---felonious I tell ya!

My only fear is the feds detecting me by the strange purplish glow emanating
from my antenna, while I kick back and shoot skip--sipping a Corona...

But then, I am NOT normal--I like to have my bit of fun...or, at least I did
in the past...



If your test of intellect is whether one agrees with you or not--or, whether
someone plays your game of insane obfuscation--or whether one withholds
his/her identity for protection from the insane (however, I did just indulge
you a bit, didn't I?), or whether one "used to be"/"still is" a part-time
"Chicken Bander"--I have failed, be prepared for the masses which will
follow...



Regards


--
Hay, if'n ya'll cun't konstructivly partecipete in this har disscusion, haw
aboot speel-checkin it fer me?


"Richard Clark" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 06:33:17 -0800, "John Smith"
wrote:

Hey, just how many of those multiple personalities do you have? But, only
one sane one?


Hi Brett,

How many screen names do you have? Is your serial multiple
personality somehow better than what you see as parallel multiple
personality? What about false personality? What you perceive as a
talent in yourself is projected to be the mark of a fool upon another.
In this group, we observe the laws of what are called symmetry and
reciprocity - two very strong, scientific principles.

The responsibility of posting to a newsgroup is that only you choose
what you think is important to discuss. Of your choices to go
technical or metaphysical (or CB truckers), I have no control over. I
have responded to your technical comments and your sidebars (as now)
equally.

Upon my analysis of the Top Hat on J-Pole you could have acknowledged
the results, asked questions about particulars of implementation, or
challenged the results to greater scrutiny - and simply ignored side
topics. I observe you have not shown any interest in obtaining the
model used. We share models as a commonplace expectation of peer
review. Any of this would have constituted technical correspondence.

Instead, the side-topics attracted your notice and you took that route
instead. I welcome all correspondence, but I am not responsible for
what you respond to when there are choices - especially when you can
add topics as well (a privilege I exercise, you present above, and I
do not object to in anyone).

So, as I offered so long ago:
1. Adding a coil offers loss [demonstrated];
2. Physical size in relation to wavelength dominates launch
characteristics [demonstrated];
3. It barely matters [less than 1dB].

The launch gain of a half wave radiator did not appear simply because
a much shorter antenna is ginned up to be antiresonant [demonstrated].

This also returns me to an unanswered question (also technical):
The rubber duckie antenna is certainly useful for some situations,
however,
it is better if it stays on the walkie-talkie and we use another design
for
portable or base use.

Given this opprobrium, what makes its cousin for 20M more suitable?


OR

I am both content, and competent to discuss those movies that would
have been more enjoyable than the alternative of sitting through the
snooze of finding gain from a small antenna.

OR

I am content discussing how to obtain the most gain from a small
antenna, or simply pointing you at 300 pages of results I've done
years ago.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC




Richard Clark April 2nd 05 12:43 AM

On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 14:47:31 -0800, "John Smith"
wrote:

You seem to have a problem with my name...


Hi Brett,

one withholds his/her identity for protection


You could change your name to Pollyanna with that kind of naivete.

Perhaps this is your cue to another movie. "The Whole Nine Yards?"
Cute, but the sequel sucked big time.

be prepared for the masses which will follow...


Say a few Hail Marys too. ;-)

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

John Smith April 2nd 05 01:22 AM

Richard:



(Psalms 9999:9999)

You fill mine and others threads with your garbage...

You are irksome like a small self-centered, temper throwing child...

You name and call is on the verge of filling me with loathing...



If you have any education, if your up-bringing occurred in the civilized
world--it should be sufficient to just ask you to cease... But, you have
convinced me that is out of the realm of possibility.

However, if you won't quit for sheer decency... quit for your own benefit.
As surely you must realize, the behavior you exhibit here is almost
certainly NOT localized to here and others will KNOW this, do not be a fool
for yourself. You give away the fact that in REAL life you have problems
getting along with others; here is just a continuation of that. You lead
one to believe that your neighbors hold you in contempt, that you purposely
hinder and set to conflict all which you involve yourself in. I even would
bet law enforcement agencies know you personally and dread your calls. You
seem to take pride in appearing as a bully and expect others to enjoy your
performance; only idiots and other bullies will enjoy you. You lead me to
pity your fellow workers--especially if one happens to invoke your ire. I
pray you have no wife...
Halt your present course man! Human memory is fleeting, what shreds of
dignity are left you--KEEP!!!!



Regards

--
Hay, if'n ya'll cun't konstructivly partecipete in this har disscusion, haw
aboot speel-checkin it fer me?


"Richard Clark" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 14:47:31 -0800, "John Smith"
wrote:

You seem to have a problem with my name...


Hi Brett,

one withholds his/her identity for protection


You could change your name to Pollyanna with that kind of naivete.

Perhaps this is your cue to another movie. "The Whole Nine Yards?"
Cute, but the sequel sucked big time.

be prepared for the masses which will follow...


Say a few Hail Marys too. ;-)

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC




Richard Clark April 2nd 05 02:47 AM

On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 16:22:38 -0800, "John Smith"
wrote:

it should be sufficient to just ask you to cease... But, you have
convinced me that is out of the realm of possibility.


Hi Brett,

You must've had some great difficulty with those kill file
instructions. I'm sure if you posted them again, someone might help
you. Perhaps if they were written in assembler. :-)

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

John Smith April 10th 05 04:14 PM

Hmmmm. The top had does NOT seem to be such a good idea, at least not in
combination with the helical coil--with total element length as a helical
and evenly spread out.
If I just move a wrench in the yard around the antenna I get wide SWR
swings! (OK, maybe that is exaggerating a bit--but you get my meaning.)
The top hat seems to give the antenna an almost "magical ability" to couple
into any metal object of sufficient size, cars are noteworthy examples!!!

Regards,
John
--
I would like to point out, I do appreciate the "Been there--done that!"
posts. Indeed, now your observations, comments and discourse should be
filled with wisdom--I am listening!!!
"Richard Clark" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 1 Apr 2005 16:22:38 -0800, "John Smith"
wrote:

it should be sufficient to just ask you to cease... But, you have
convinced me that is out of the realm of possibility.


Hi Brett,

You must've had some great difficulty with those kill file
instructions. I'm sure if you posted them again, someone might help
you. Perhaps if they were written in assembler. :-)

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC




Richard Clark April 10th 05 07:16 PM

On Sun, 10 Apr 2005 08:14:38 -0700, "John Smith"
wrote:

Hmmmm. The top had does NOT seem to be such a good idea, at least not in
combination with the helical coil--with total element length as a helical
and evenly spread out.


Hi Brett,

If it's not a good idea, it's not a bad idea either. A top hat is
simply a means to an end - or in terms of good and bad, it makes the
best of a poor situation.

If I just move a wrench in the yard around the antenna I get wide SWR
swings! (OK, maybe that is exaggerating a bit--but you get my meaning.)
The top hat seems to give the antenna an almost "magical ability" to couple
into any metal object of sufficient size, cars are noteworthy examples!!!


You may have a future in Home security and monitoring electronics.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Cecil Moore April 10th 05 07:43 PM

John Smith wrote:
If I just move a wrench in the yard around the antenna I get wide SWR
swings!


Use a different length wrench. :-)
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

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