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May the truck which is carrying you toilet paper fail to arrive!!!! grin
Regards -- Hay, if'n ya'll cun't konstructivly partecipete in this disscusion, haw aboot speel-checkin it fer me? "Russ" wrote in message ... On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 19:48:52 -0800, Justín Käse wrote: In posted on Mon, 28 Mar 2005 03:30:37 GMT, Russ wrote: Of course, as a ham, I also despise freebanders and hope they get caught and fined - big time. You'd rather them bootlegging in the ham bands? Like a public toilet in the park, sure it's nasty, but better than ****ting everywhere, and some folk are gonna communicate no matter where the end up doing it. I've seen some non-sequitors in my time but this one is in the top ten. I'd rather they kept to the CB and 4 watts. I'd rather they didn't use amps. I hope they get caught and fined out of business. I pray that we as a nation can throw off the chains of corruption that have us enslaved and I hope that the motor freight industry finally faces traffic enforcement like all of the rest of us. The motor freight industry is a waste of fuel and a hazard to other users of the public roads. Does that clarify my position? Russ |
"John Smith" wrote in message
... May the truck which is carrying you toilet paper fail to arrive!!!! grin Regards -- Well, I hate to say it, but with the price of oil, some day that may happen. IF SO, we'll have to resort back to what our Pioneer forefathers did when we didn't have "toilet" paper. SO, there IS an answer to most any thing your truck can do. OR fails to do. cl |
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Mike Coslo wrote:
wrote: so what is more inportant in life not your hobby most people put there radio hobby before,god and there family that is sad .they will drive all night to go to a hamfest but when it comes time for a family event o i cant make it heard it to many times on the radio waves. so i guess the ups or fedex truck did not bring you that new hf rig so next time you pick it up stop picking on truckers. Truckers should be allowed to do anything they darn well please. Well, let's hope that the idiots they are continue to drive above the speed limit, ignore safety laws, cook the books, and kill lots of innocent citizens. They seem to like that life, and we, as normal humans should not deny them it. tom K0TAR |
cl wrote:
"John Smith" wrote: May the truck which is carrying you toilet paper fail to arrive!!!! grin Well, I hate to say it, but with the price of oil, some day that may happen. IF SO, we'll have to resort back to what our Pioneer forefathers did when we didn't have "toilet" paper. When I was a kid, we used corn cobs in the outhouse. -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
John Smith wrote: It is interesting that so many intend that you "design the world" then cause the people to fit the design; this is 180 degrees of what really happens--people bend the world to fit themselves. This does not compute. For whatever reasons, some have seemed to have decided certain "rf space" fits them and, they are no small number, the truckers! This barely computes. While it might benefit some, if there were "radio police" to hunt down every trucker with a 500+ watt linear, who would pay for this? Would hams accept a 10000%+ increase in the cost of licenses to help fund such a force, equipment and activities? Wouldn't be needed. Hell, I'll do my part to hunt 10 of those rf spectrum grabbing scumbags for *free*! And, it is one thing to find a station running at a stationary location--quite another when that station is mobile. However, those enjoying such things would find one large and unending fox hunt--reminiscent of the old "cops and robbers game" one played as a child! For the FCC, finding them, even in motion *is* childs play. Imprisoning citizens for simple infractions of rules which are causing no one physical, monetary or real personal damage (i.e. amateurs are only being deprived of sole benefit of bandwidth for their hobby use) is insane--you have to wonder "what are these people thinking?" I have to wonder...What in the hell are *you* thinking.... One very good example of this, and could be viewed as a model of what would happen if this were to occur might be "the war on drugs." We have waged this war for 30+ years--there are more drugs on the streets than before we began--and people are REALLY being harmed NOW as these criminals attempt to gain the money to obtain the drugs we have made so expensive and, to escape the penalties we have made so severe--INSANE! There is about the same amount of cocaine in a coca plant as sugar in a sugar cane. I can walk into a supermarket and buy 5 lbs of sugar for next to nothing! If that were cocaine, it would probably get everyone in a major city high, maybe for days! Since it is forced to the black market it most likely costs millions!!! And, there seems an unlimited amount of addicts which will maim, harm or even kill citizens to gain this drug--INSANE! Insane is relative... There was a time when one special group of a few individuals could be allowed to think themselves "special" and allowed to run a unique "old boys club." Times have changed. However, you are living in the past if you don't see the handwriting on the wall and, think you will be able to oppose change and evolution of the use of radio communications. I can oppose anything I want to. And my henry will back me up on this. Some will personally attack me for pointing this all out-kill the messenger bearing the bad news-WAKE UP! Look around, you are either part of the problem or you are part of the solution... Oh yea, I could hunt you down and kick your whiny little ass, but what the hell good would it do....You would just whine more and say I didn't do a good enough job. When you are done acting like a child and throwing your temper tantrums-perhaps you will see the problem is still there to deal with. Temper tantrums? At least I don't advocate illegal use of radio spectrum. I think I'm totally through talking to you about anything, because my mama told me not to talk to people that have total **** for brains... MK |
you think the feds will take ts 440 serious.
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"H J" wrote in message ... by the way if you wanna be a free trucker go with the best volvo lol i will by a kw.or pete. next time i see you radio police cops trying to get my tag number i may have to go to jail but i will make dam shure that wil be your last number you get. just think 80.000lbs runing you off the road That's just it.............you will never know it Uh, until you get the registered letter from Gettysburg, PA. "Dear sir, Evidence before the Commission that you have been transmitting on 28.xxx MHZ. Please be advised that such operation requires an FCC license. Penalties may be asessed of up to $10,000 per occurance, or a year in jail. You are requested to call me,..............., at 717-338-XXXX to discuss this matter". Then go ahead and ignore the letter. (they don't HAVE to have your tag #) J |
"John Smith" wrote in message ... I answer to a much higher power first, then to my fellow citizens who ARE the gov't--I answer to no one else... I am your best friend when you are in trouble and seek someone to help you assure your unalienable rights--I attempt to become your worst enemy if you are on the side of evil.. Regards OH! So "evil" is what YOU say it is, right? Ergo, disobeying established law--namely Title 47 US Code--is not "evil" according to YOU, right. That US Code is crafted to protect ALL persons, including those who are ignorant and untrained about radio, from massive interference. So "evil" is the legal, licensed, well-established laws governing radio and the unlicensed, trashing, and non-essential over-powered, over-modulated, over-tweek and peaked chicken band radios are "good", right? Yeah, Shurrrrrrrrrrr' it is. Shurrrrr' it is! J -- Hay, if'n ya'll cun't konstructivly partecipete in this disscusion, haw aboot speel-checkin it fer me? "Clarence_A" wrote in message m... "John Smith" wrote in message ... While I don't support people who threaten harm to others, neither do I respect the "I am going to tell the teacher" types. It is the duty of every citizen to report crime when it is witnessed! There is no teacher here, just the American Justice system! |
"John Smith" wrote in message ... May the truck which is carrying you toilet paper fail to arrive!!!! grin Regards Maybe they'll put in on steam trains! LOL! J -- Hay, if'n ya'll cun't konstructivly partecipete in this disscusion, haw aboot speel-checkin it fer me? "Russ" wrote in message ... On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 19:48:52 -0800, Justín Käse wrote: In posted on Mon, 28 Mar 2005 03:30:37 GMT, Russ wrote: Of course, as a ham, I also despise freebanders and hope they get caught and fined - big time. You'd rather them bootlegging in the ham bands? Like a public toilet in the park, sure it's nasty, but better than ****ting everywhere, and some folk are gonna communicate no matter where the end up doing it. I've seen some non-sequitors in my time but this one is in the top ten. I'd rather they kept to the CB and 4 watts. I'd rather they didn't use amps. I hope they get caught and fined out of business. I pray that we as a nation can throw off the chains of corruption that have us enslaved and I hope that the motor freight industry finally faces traffic enforcement like all of the rest of us. The motor freight industry is a waste of fuel and a hazard to other users of the public roads. Does that clarify my position? Russ |
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Jerry wrote: As for Amateur Radio, the bottom line reason for its existence IS emergency communications. That's the first of the five "fundamental purposes" of amateur radio, as cited in the FCC regulations (which enact the stated will of Congress, at least in principal). The "hobby" aspect is what leads to experimentation, invention, and communications innovation. That's cited as the second fundamental purpose. Expanding the number of "trained operators, technicians, and electronics experts", and promoting international goodwill are also cited as justifications. Congress and the FCC acknowledge that amateur radio provides a value to society, independent of any direct delivery of cash revenue to the Government. -- Dave Platt AE6EO Hosting the Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads! |
Tom Ring wrote:
Mike Coslo wrote: wrote: so what is more inportant in life not your hobby most people put there radio hobby before,god and there family that is sad .they will drive all night to go to a hamfest but when it comes time for a family event o i cant make it heard it to many times on the radio waves. so i guess the ups or fedex truck did not bring you that new hf rig so next time you pick it up stop picking on truckers. Truckers should be allowed to do anything they darn well please. Well, let's hope that the idiots they are continue to drive above the speed limit, ignore safety laws, cook the books, and kill lots of innocent citizens. They seem to like that life, and we, as normal humans should not deny them it. Hey! That trucker might be delivering our coffins! 8^) |
"Michael Coslo" wrote in message ... Tom Ring wrote: Mike Coslo wrote: wrote: so what is more inportant in life not your hobby most people put there radio hobby before,god and there family that is sad .they will drive all night to go to a hamfest but when it comes time for a family event o i cant make it heard it to many times on the radio waves. so i guess the ups or fedex truck did not bring you that new hf rig so next time you pick it up stop picking on truckers. Truckers should be allowed to do anything they darn well please. Well, let's hope that the idiots they are continue to drive above the speed limit, ignore safety laws, cook the books, and kill lots of innocent citizens. They seem to like that life, and we, as normal humans should not deny them it. Hey! That trucker might be delivering our coffins! 8^) If he obeys the rules of the road as he seems to suggest he does of the FCC or shall we say a considerable lack thereof, then he won't be making deliveries long. His road will soon come to an end via his own severe injuries to cause loss of job or perhaps death if not the loss of license - beforehand. I'd still like to know how the one reply to "my" post - plonking him, suggested he was only trying to help..... Again I ask, help? WHO? Of course, that "supporter" - was also plonked. I'm not picking on anyone or group, but his logic WAS flawed. He feels because truckers do such service, they deserve to have their way. OK... what about the "bad" cops? They do a good job - usually, til they bend the rules! We wouldn't like them either. Same with politicians and so on. Bad ones don't do anyone any justice in the end, no matter how much good they've done in the start. One doesn't displace the other. Your "good deeds" do not or SHOULD NOT give you leverage to do evil even if in your eyes, disobeying those darned FCC Rules. IF we ALL disobeyed the laws, then this country will be back to the prehistoric ages, everyone killing everyone to do their own bidding. Everyone will have to tote guns to protect themselves from everyone. Radio and TV would be total chaos... No more could you listen to or watch a favorite program, as the pirates would be bombarding them with illegal signals or splatter from such. Without rules/laws for radio, even CB/Ham, it will be useless for all, even those who intend to try to destroy it for their own good. But, they're too short sighted to see that. cl |
Evil is easy to define, some guidelines would be:
--an evil person would lie for their own personal gain. --an evil person would deprive another of their property. --an evil person would deprive another of their means to earn a living. --an evil peson would deprive another of their pursuit of happiness. --an evil person would enjoy bodily harming another. --an evil person would deprive another of his life. --an evil person is generally sociopathic, and generally has no consideration for others, other than if it is in their best interests to do so. ....get the picture? Evil leanings can be overcome with the practice of a simple ideal--do onto others as you would have them do onto you... In other words, evil people generally have a disregard to others lives, hopes, plans, needs, wants, etc., indeed, a general disregard to another life in general, other than there own and, possibly immediate family (at best.) However, generally people are in danger of being evil if they even hint that it is difficult to define evil--if you don't know it when you see it--there is probably a good reason why! It has been my experience that evil people are the least likely to recognize they are evil; a read of any good book on serial killers or child molesters will confirm this to you. Regards -- Hay, if'n ya'll cun't konstructivly partecipete in this har disscusion, haw aboot speel-checkin it fer me? "Jerry" wrote in message ... "John Smith" wrote in message ... I answer to a much higher power first, then to my fellow citizens who ARE the gov't--I answer to no one else... I am your best friend when you are in trouble and seek someone to help you assure your unalienable rights--I attempt to become your worst enemy if you are on the side of evil.. Regards OH! So "evil" is what YOU say it is, right? Ergo, disobeying established law--namely Title 47 US Code--is not "evil" according to YOU, right. That US Code is crafted to protect ALL persons, including those who are ignorant and untrained about radio, from massive interference. So "evil" is the legal, licensed, well-established laws governing radio and the unlicensed, trashing, and non-essential over-powered, over-modulated, over-tweek and peaked chicken band radios are "good", right? Yeah, Shurrrrrrrrrrr' it is. Shurrrrr' it is! J -- Hay, if'n ya'll cun't konstructivly partecipete in this disscusion, haw aboot speel-checkin it fer me? "Clarence_A" wrote in message m... "John Smith" wrote in message ... While I don't support people who threaten harm to others, neither do I respect the "I am going to tell the teacher" types. It is the duty of every citizen to report crime when it is witnessed! There is no teacher here, just the American Justice system! |
cl wrote:
"Michael Coslo" wrote in message ... Tom Ring wrote: Mike Coslo wrote: wrote: so what is more inportant in life not your hobby most people put there radio hobby before,god and there family that is sad .they will drive all night to go to a hamfest but when it comes time for a family event o i cant make it heard it to many times on the radio waves. so i guess the ups or fedex truck did not bring you that new hf rig so next time you pick it up stop picking on truckers. Truckers should be allowed to do anything they darn well please. Well, let's hope that the idiots they are continue to drive above the speed limit, ignore safety laws, cook the books, and kill lots of innocent citizens. They seem to like that life, and we, as normal humans should not deny them it. Hey! That trucker might be delivering our coffins! 8^) If he obeys the rules of the road as he seems to suggest he does of the FCC or shall we say a considerable lack thereof, then he won't be making deliveries long. His road will soon come to an end via his own severe injuries to cause loss of job or perhaps death if not the loss of license - beforehand. I'd still like to know how the one reply to "my" post - plonking him, suggested he was only trying to help..... Again I ask, help? WHO? Of course, that "supporter" - was also plonked. I'm not picking on anyone or group, but his logic WAS flawed. He feels because truckers do such service, they deserve to have their way. Too many DO think that way. Once on I-80, I saw an event -I hesitate to call it an accident, because there was no real damage - where a truck slid sideways and blocked the road during a bad snowstorm. The truck blocked the road, so we were all stuck. Listening to the CB, I heard the story morph from what actually happened into some "4 wheeler" passed the truck and cut him off, causing him to lose control. After 10 minutes, *that* became the "official" story. Too bad that isn't what actually happened. Always blameless, never wrong. - Mike - |
Ok, back to reality people!
For the "Mad Max'ers" out there, let's say the big one has hit, power and phone lines are down.... Guess what, the truckers are still communicating... Guess what, they can link the nation together because there are tons of them everywhere (not to mention the CB non-truckers/mobile/base stations out there!) Guess what, there radios use the 11 meter band, line of sight, ground wave and skip are all a phenomenon of this frequency!!! Guess what? There are MILLIONS of CB radios out there!!! Guess what? Antennas for this frequency are a snap to construct! Guess what, some genius sets up a plan to use this "hidden" web to get things going! He is deemed a genius by the government-they wonder why they didn't think of this before! Now, look over at the hams--there are a handful... The price of living in a fantasy world, oblivious to the real world, is that others tend to mock and laugh at you... Regards -- Hay, if'n ya'll cun't konstructivly partecipete in this har disscusion, haw aboot speel-checkin it fer me? "H J" wrote in message ... the band we truckers,took over we dont need big hf radios like keenwood etc.we use low cost radios with big power.also the high power black radio people are makeing there way up 28hz.the new super bowl .we black,white folks are meeting togeter.untiy day is here on 28mhz |
"John Smith" wrote in message ... Ok, back to reality people! For the "Mad Max'ers" out there, let's say the big one has hit, power and phone lines are down.... Guess what, the truckers are still communicating... Guess what, they can link the nation together because there are tons of them everywhere (not to mention the CB non-truckers/mobile/base stations out there!) Guess what, there radios use the 11 meter band, line of sight, ground wave and skip are all a phenomenon of this frequency!!! Guess what? There are MILLIONS of CB radios out there!!! Guess what? Antennas for this frequency are a snap to construct! Guess what, some genius sets up a plan to use this "hidden" web to get things going! He is deemed a genius by the government-they wonder why they didn't think of this before! Now, look over at the hams--there are a handful... The price of living in a fantasy world, oblivious to the real world, is that others tend to mock and laugh at you... And while your trucker friends are screaming "HOW "BOUCHA THAR, YUH GOTTA AN OLE COPY THAR, WE TRYIN' THAR, MERCY SAKES THAR" And if the 27 Megs band is dead? Silence..except for the mishmash of truckers jamming each other with their "leenyars". While those hams just move down to 24, 21, 18, 10, 7, 5, 3.8 MHZ and pass the traffic for EOC and FEMA or MARS. CB radio is a hodgepodge of mishmash thrown together, peeked and tweeked, squeaked and beeped ,splattering trash that couldn't effectively move radio traffic if it smacked them in the face! They wouldn't know what to do with it if they tried. Ha! They'd just get into a king of the hill battle trying to key over one another! Traffic handling in a national emergency is not just a matter of having 'them thar reddios with lotsa 'swang and far in th' war (fire in the wire), but a matter of training and discipline. Without experience in precedence, cataloging, knowing what messages must be handled first, That, sir, those hams have in abundance. It is why there are training programs within ARRL and local ham clubs. It is why Amateur Radio was awarded funds for that purpose from Homeland Security Dept. I don't see none of them thar "expert" chicken band reddio types gittin' any of that money! HAHA! Want laughter? Talk to the Emergency M anagement folks or Homeland Security or FEMA and tell them how "valuable them chicken banders" and their reddios and leenyars are to them. See how hard they laugh at YOU! You haven't SEEN contempt until you try that. "HOW 'BOUCHA THAR, THIS H'YAR MOONRAKER IN CENTRAL NAWTH C'LINA, WE TRYIN'! WE'S IS REDDY TO PASS SOME OF THAT EE-MER-GEN-CEE TRAFFIC THAR" Yeah, right. Your wonderful chicken band radio is full of **** when it comes to real communications. You are dreaming, and your steering wheel and the knowledge contained within its circumference is getting smaller and smaller. Quit while you're ahead. J -- Hay, if'n ya'll cun't konstructivly partecipete in this har disscusion, haw aboot speel-checkin it fer me? "H J" wrote in message ... the band we truckers,took over we dont need big hf radios like keenwood etc.we use low cost radios with big power.also the high power black radio people are makeing there way up 28hz.the new super bowl .we black,white folks are meeting togeter.untiy day is here on 28mhz |
You seem to skip the "real world" and construct one from the images of your
mind, with your text. Since many "traditional jobs" have and are disappearing, you are NOT unlikely to find a notable number with BS and MS degrees driving a truck! I have first hand knowledge of this, while I completed my masters thesis in the late 1970's I personally found it a way to add to my income (actually, it may be why I didn't starve to death!) and, an enjoyable one (well, I was smart enough to get my butt OUT of that truck!) You may have been surprised at the intellects I was able to carry on discourse with who worked in that field. Yanno, I even able to pick up a southern drawl and blend it with my colleagues in that field--at least verbally, "10-4 good buddy?" You might have heard me back then? (ok, I still sneak on 11 meters and talk like a damn "okie") Perhaps I was/am one of the idiots with poor verbal and written communication skills you are referring to? In the "major event", many truckers (and yes, everyone in general) will be the true heroes. Like 911 where the common hero went wanting for recognition--the media will devote all of its coverage to such as police, firefighters and authorities--but the unsung heroes will have contributed greatly--you can bet on that. I imagine some "glory hog(s)" who has been awaiting his chance at his 15 minutes of fame will step forward and some media correspondent will craft a story making him a superman. But, you know that just the sheer numbers of readily available radios out there will somehow come to use. Live in your fantasy world, too quick to dismiss the obvious but, always hope these things never come to pass... Regards -- Hay, if'n ya'll cun't konstructivly partecipete in this har disscusion, haw aboot speel-checkin it fer me? "Jerry" wrote in message ... "John Smith" wrote in message ... Ok, back to reality people! For the "Mad Max'ers" out there, let's say the big one has hit, power and phone lines are down.... Guess what, the truckers are still communicating... Guess what, they can link the nation together because there are tons of them everywhere (not to mention the CB non-truckers/mobile/base stations out there!) Guess what, there radios use the 11 meter band, line of sight, ground wave and skip are all a phenomenon of this frequency!!! Guess what? There are MILLIONS of CB radios out there!!! Guess what? Antennas for this frequency are a snap to construct! Guess what, some genius sets up a plan to use this "hidden" web to get things going! He is deemed a genius by the government-they wonder why they didn't think of this before! Now, look over at the hams--there are a handful... The price of living in a fantasy world, oblivious to the real world, is that others tend to mock and laugh at you... And while your trucker friends are screaming "HOW "BOUCHA THAR, YUH GOTTA AN OLE COPY THAR, WE TRYIN' THAR, MERCY SAKES THAR" And if the 27 Megs band is dead? Silence..except for the mishmash of truckers jamming each other with their "leenyars". While those hams just move down to 24, 21, 18, 10, 7, 5, 3.8 MHZ and pass the traffic for EOC and FEMA or MARS. CB radio is a hodgepodge of mishmash thrown together, peeked and tweeked, squeaked and beeped ,splattering trash that couldn't effectively move radio traffic if it smacked them in the face! They wouldn't know what to do with it if they tried. Ha! They'd just get into a king of the hill battle trying to key over one another! Traffic handling in a national emergency is not just a matter of having 'them thar reddios with lotsa 'swang and far in th' war (fire in the wire), but a matter of training and discipline. Without experience in precedence, cataloging, knowing what messages must be handled first, That, sir, those hams have in abundance. It is why there are training programs within ARRL and local ham clubs. It is why Amateur Radio was awarded funds for that purpose from Homeland Security Dept. I don't see none of them thar "expert" chicken band reddio types gittin' any of that money! HAHA! Want laughter? Talk to the Emergency M anagement folks or Homeland Security or FEMA and tell them how "valuable them chicken banders" and their reddios and leenyars are to them. See how hard they laugh at YOU! You haven't SEEN contempt until you try that. "HOW 'BOUCHA THAR, THIS H'YAR MOONRAKER IN CENTRAL NAWTH C'LINA, WE TRYIN'! WE'S IS REDDY TO PASS SOME OF THAT EE-MER-GEN-CEE TRAFFIC THAR" Yeah, right. Your wonderful chicken band radio is full of **** when it comes to real communications. You are dreaming, and your steering wheel and the knowledge contained within its circumference is getting smaller and smaller. Quit while you're ahead. J -- Hay, if'n ya'll cun't konstructivly partecipete in this har disscusion, haw aboot speel-checkin it fer me? "H J" wrote in message ... the band we truckers,took over we dont need big hf radios like keenwood etc.we use low cost radios with big power.also the high power black radio people are makeing there way up 28hz.the new super bowl .we black,white folks are meeting togeter.untiy day is here on 28mhz |
It's amazing how just one comment by a single person got this group into an
uproar. I really think that the public in general has a romance with the life of the trucker brought on by the movie and media hype. Truckers are just ordinary people who do an thankless job of moving just about everything there is in North America to and from wholesalers to retailers. Over the years the average trucker's education level has gone from grade school drop outs to men and women holding degrees of various ranges of education. Over the years I've come to know a rather large group of people from a very large slice of various levels of education, similar to that of most truckers. I hold two degrees and a commercial Radio Telephone license, but for some reason I ended up returning to "trucking" all the time. And all the trucks I've driven, over 1 million miles, I've always had my amateur radio(s) and a CB. Each had it's own nicessity and each one had it's own language. On one radio I as a respected amateur radio operator who drove truck, on the other I was just another trucker looking for a traffic report. Oh, for those who are of the illusion that truckers are the cause of all the terrible accident on the highways, well the only person your fooling is yourself. To get the facts do a little research and you will find that four wheeled vehicles cause more accidents than any other vehicle. Trucks seem to fall into the same catigory as motorcycles do in the public's perseption of the cause of accidents. After you have done your research you will find that both trucks and motorcycles end of up being a very low percentage of the cause of accidents. The only thing the public sees is that when a truck gets into a bad accident it is very bad and devestating distruction. But statistics show there are fewer truck accidents than four wheeled vehicles and there are also far fewer accidents that are caused by trucks entirely. But, this is just this over educated truckers opinion. 73 de ve7agw, Al |
"TJ" wrote in message news:P1Z2e.864278$8l.567848@pd7tw1no... It's amazing how just one comment by a single person got this group into an uproar. I really think that the public in general has a romance with the life of the trucker brought on by the movie and media hype. Truckers are just ordinary people who do an thankless job of moving just about everything there is in North America to and from wholesalers to retailers. Over the years the average trucker's education level has gone from grade school drop outs to men and women holding degrees of various ranges of education. Over the years I've come to know a rather large group of people from a very large slice of various levels of education, similar to that of most truckers. I hold two degrees and a commercial Radio Telephone license, but for some reason I ended up returning to "trucking" all the time. And all the trucks I've driven, over 1 million miles, I've always had my amateur radio(s) and a CB. Each had it's own nicessity and each one had it's own language. On one radio I as a respected amateur radio operator who drove truck, on the other I was just another trucker looking for a traffic report. Oh, for those who are of the illusion that truckers are the cause of all the terrible accident on the highways, well the only person your fooling is yourself. To get the facts do a little research and you will find that four wheeled vehicles cause more accidents than any other vehicle. Trucks seem to fall into the same catigory as motorcycles do in the public's perseption of the cause of accidents. After you have done your research you will find that both trucks and motorcycles end of up being a very low percentage of the cause of accidents. The only thing the public sees is that when a truck gets into a bad accident it is very bad and devestating distruction. But statistics show there are fewer truck accidents than four wheeled vehicles and there are also far fewer accidents that are caused by trucks entirely. But, this is just this over educated truckers opinion. 73 de ve7agw, Al Eh, I agree with you for the most part - BUT - you "seem" to have missed the point. "That" "trucker" seemed to be suggesting that the service they provide sort of entitles them to break the laws. It does NOT. "My" comment was (not word for word) that if he broke the rules of the road much as he is suggesting he does of the FCC, then it wouldn't be long or take much to end the line for him. RULES ARE RULES. LAWS ARE LAWS. Be you a truck driver, cop, lawyer, politician, doctor, we ALL have laws to live with, if we're to survive with any sense of common ground. ANY ONE who breaks those rules/laws is only adding to the problem. "I" know some truckers, I know the job they do..... I know the sacrifices they make - time away from home and family. "I" am not disputing that. What I was disputing was that person's "holier than thou" approach "since he is a trucker". THAT is what I dismiss........ NOT THE JOB. I was just telling him to come off his high horse, there may come a day when his services are no longer required, then what? HE won't be so high and mighty then. It is guys like that who are the bad apple, and give the rest of you a black eye. Just like a bad cop gives the rest a black eye, a quack doctor does to his/her profession, a politician who takes bribes/steals. ALL give their profession a bad name. Like it or not, every group has them, truckers included. That one stuck his head out to be noticed. He brought attention to himself. Why can't he mutually respect hams and what they have, as he expects the hams to respect him for what he does? It IS a two way street. There is NO reason he or any of the rest can't do a small bit of studying when laying over at a truck stop or waiting to be loaded, go take an exam, pass it, get a license, then talk with the rest of us who would welcome them. IF they don't want to take an exam, then WHY violate the laws and pick fights with the hams, because they're too damned lazy to do the right thing? It isn't the hams fault. The hams wanted their license, so they did what it took to get it....... If you intend to defend his approach, then I can't agree with you. As to the rest of what you said, perhaps you're an example they can follow. Maybe "you" can convince them, being one of the bunch. As for "accidents", "I am not a statistician, so I can't say for sure. I could get into the argument regarding bikes, since I ride one as well, but again, without facts to back me up, I'm not going to. cl |
Yes, it does seem that way on the surface, I am sure--an "uproar."
However, I think it more of an effort to finally take those to task, the ones a person usually, and quite willingly, ignores. It has always been a pet peeve of mine, when someone draws an illusion and encourages me to partake in the enjoyment of it with them; in my past posts, I have responded to them. I responded to them with a purpose, with patience, with tolerance, and with hope. They convinced me that they had spouted such verbal babble, perhaps drafted such writings, to the point of where they were/are in grave danger of believing it themselves (it is quite understandable if they seek one gullible enough to believe their tripe), for real. Since few bother to reduce themselves to the levels required to respond with logic or even to devote the time--to insanity--I took pity and did. The simple/short answer is, "NO ONE IS THAT SPECIAL! Not even you... (well, just possibly me though!)" Just when you begin to think so, a real one shows up--a "certified special" person, and deflates your ego... frown What I see in much of this exchange is a very common phenomena. It is, what seems, a "natural tendency" in human nature, a tendency to think ones-self/themselves "special", above, removed from, of a greater intellect, gifted, endowed by GOD, of possessing a superior reasoning power, more deserving of, an interesting author of, etc, etc, etc... If we are all silent, what do you think--they will think? I know, I know, you now will ask, "Who cares?"--and I grant you this point... Regards -- Hay, if'n ya'll cun't konstructivly partecipete in this har disscusion, haw aboot speel-checkin it fer me? "TJ" wrote in message news:P1Z2e.864278$8l.567848@pd7tw1no... It's amazing how just one comment by a single person got this group into an uproar. I really think that the public in general has a romance with the life of the trucker brought on by the movie and media hype. Truckers are just ordinary people who do an thankless job of moving just about everything there is in North America to and from wholesalers to retailers. Over the years the average trucker's education level has gone from grade school drop outs to men and women holding degrees of various ranges of education. Over the years I've come to know a rather large group of people from a very large slice of various levels of education, similar to that of most truckers. I hold two degrees and a commercial Radio Telephone license, but for some reason I ended up returning to "trucking" all the time. And all the trucks I've driven, over 1 million miles, I've always had my amateur radio(s) and a CB. Each had it's own nicessity and each one had it's own language. On one radio I as a respected amateur radio operator who drove truck, on the other I was just another trucker looking for a traffic report. Oh, for those who are of the illusion that truckers are the cause of all the terrible accident on the highways, well the only person your fooling is yourself. To get the facts do a little research and you will find that four wheeled vehicles cause more accidents than any other vehicle. Trucks seem to fall into the same catigory as motorcycles do in the public's perseption of the cause of accidents. After you have done your research you will find that both trucks and motorcycles end of up being a very low percentage of the cause of accidents. The only thing the public sees is that when a truck gets into a bad accident it is very bad and devestating distruction. But statistics show there are fewer truck accidents than four wheeled vehicles and there are also far fewer accidents that are caused by trucks entirely. But, this is just this over educated truckers opinion. 73 de ve7agw, Al |
"TJ" wrote in message news:P1Z2e.864278$8l.567848@pd7tw1no... It's amazing how just one comment by a single person got this group into an uproar. I really think that the public in general has a romance with the life of the trucker brought on by the movie and media hype. Truckers are just ordinary people who do an thankless job of moving just about everything there is in North America to and from wholesalers to retailers. Over the years the average trucker's education level has gone from grade school drop outs to men and women holding degrees of various ranges of education. Over the years I've come to know a rather large group of people from a very large slice of various levels of education, similar to that of most truckers. I hold two degrees and a commercial Radio Telephone license, but for some reason I ended up returning to "trucking" all the time. And all the trucks I've driven, over 1 million miles, I've always had my amateur radio(s) and a CB. Each had it's own nicessity and each one had it's own language. On one radio I as a respected amateur radio operator who drove truck, on the other I was just another trucker looking for a traffic report. Oh, for those who are of the illusion that truckers are the cause of all the terrible accident on the highways, well the only person your fooling is yourself. To get the facts do a little research and you will find that four wheeled vehicles cause more accidents than any other vehicle. Trucks seem to fall into the same catigory as motorcycles do in the public's perseption of the cause of accidents. After you have done your research you will find that both trucks and motorcycles end of up being a very low percentage of the cause of accidents. The only thing the public sees is that when a truck gets into a bad accident it is very bad and devestating distruction. But statistics show there are fewer truck accidents than four wheeled vehicles and there are also far fewer accidents that are caused by trucks entirely. But, this is just this over educated truckers opinion. 73 de ve7agw, Al One DOES wonder if the gent that cut me off the other day is an example of the good trucker or otherwise. On that day I was driving the speed limit (60) when a truck began to tailgate me. When traffic cleared, he snatched the truck to the right lane, passed, blew his airhorn at me, and cut right back in front of me. Now just what the hell am I supposed to do? Get a ticket to please him? Not a chance! BOTH groups, trucks and cars, are responsible for plenty of wrecks simply because they aren't paying attention, going too fast, or too fast for conditions. J |
"cl" wrote in message o.verio.net... "TJ" wrote in message news:P1Z2e.864278$8l.567848@pd7tw1no... It's amazing how just one comment by a single person got this group into an uproar. I really think that the public in general has a romance with the life of the trucker brought on by the movie and media hype. Truckers are just ordinary people who do an thankless job of moving just about everything there is in North America to and from wholesalers to retailers. Over the years the average trucker's education level has gone from grade school drop outs to men and women holding degrees of various ranges of education. Over the years I've come to know a rather large group of people from a very large slice of various levels of education, similar to that of most truckers. I hold two degrees and a commercial Radio Telephone license, but for some reason I ended up returning to "trucking" all the time. And all the trucks I've driven, over 1 million miles, I've always had my amateur radio(s) and a CB. Each had it's own nicessity and each one had it's own language. On one radio I as a respected amateur radio operator who drove truck, on the other I was just another trucker looking for a traffic report. Oh, for those who are of the illusion that truckers are the cause of all the terrible accident on the highways, well the only person your fooling is yourself. To get the facts do a little research and you will find that four wheeled vehicles cause more accidents than any other vehicle. Trucks seem to fall into the same catigory as motorcycles do in the public's perseption of the cause of accidents. After you have done your research you will find that both trucks and motorcycles end of up being a very low percentage of the cause of accidents. The only thing the public sees is that when a truck gets into a bad accident it is very bad and devestating distruction. But statistics show there are fewer truck accidents than four wheeled vehicles and there are also far fewer accidents that are caused by trucks entirely. But, this is just this over educated truckers opinion. 73 de ve7agw, Al Eh, I agree with you for the most part - BUT - you "seem" to have missed the point. "That" "trucker" seemed to be suggesting that the service they provide sort of entitles them to break the laws. It does NOT. "My" comment was (not word for word) that if he broke the rules of the road much as he is suggesting he does of the FCC, then it wouldn't be long or take much to end the line for him. RULES ARE RULES. LAWS ARE LAWS. Be you a truck driver, cop, lawyer, politician, doctor, we ALL have laws to live with, if we're to survive with any sense of common ground. ANY ONE who breaks those rules/laws is only adding to the problem. "I" know some truckers, I know the job they do..... I know the sacrifices they make - time away from home and family. "I" am not disputing that. What I was disputing was that person's "holier than thou" approach "since he is a trucker". THAT is what I dismiss........ NOT THE JOB. I was just telling him to come off his high horse, there may come a day when his services are no longer required, then what? HE won't be so high and mighty then. It is guys like that who are the bad apple, and give the rest of you a black eye. Just like a bad cop gives the rest a black eye, a quack doctor does to his/her profession, a politician who takes bribes/steals. ALL give their profession a bad name. Like it or not, every group has them, truckers included. That one stuck his head out to be noticed. He brought attention to himself. Why can't he mutually respect hams and what they have, as he expects the hams to respect him for what he does? It IS a two way street. There is NO reason he or any of the rest can't do a small bit of studying when laying over at a truck stop or waiting to be loaded, go take an exam, pass it, get a license, then talk with the rest of us who would welcome them. IF they don't want to take an exam, then WHY violate the laws and pick fights with the hams, because they're too damned lazy to do the right thing? It isn't the hams fault. The hams wanted their license, so they did what it took to get it....... If you intend to defend his approach, then I can't agree with you. As to the rest of what you said, perhaps you're an example they can follow. Maybe "you" can convince them, being one of the bunch. As for "accidents", "I am not a statistician, so I can't say for sure. I could get into the argument regarding bikes, since I ride one as well, but again, without facts to back me up, I'm not going to. cl Oh yes, laws are made to in most cases protect the greater part of the public and we all have to abide by the laws. I have no respect for any person regardless of what trade they perform, if they break the law then they are a criminal. If it be the FCC, Industry Canada (Canadian FCC) or the traffic laws then they deserve to be caught and punished. Like you say, if it be a cop, doctor, trucker or lawyer, we all have to abide by the law others wise it will be a complete mayham free for all. I dispise truckers who are of the oppinion that they are above the law, I know of a fair number of truckers who wrote and passed the exam for their ham tickett and now only use their CB for loading docks and traffic reports. But most of these men and women have higher education levels than the old truckers use to. Any trucker who thinks he/she is above the law is only fooling themselves, because it's only a matter of time before they will get caught and they will eventually. I've been at a scale when the safety bliz happens all across Canada/USA and the authorities will go right through a tractor and want to see every licence for every radio in the truck. And if the driver doesn't have one he losses the radio. And I'm glad they do this, cause it cleans up the amateur bands from these pirate amateurs. I get really ticked when I hear some fool talking on a radio who thinks he's some sort of a "god" because of his trade. Let's face it the astronauts had to pass the exams to get their amateur licence(s) so why should anyone else get it given to them. I wish the FCC and Industry Canada had more powers to eliminate the interferance from unlicenced, licenced and industrial sources. The laws are there but these agencies don't seem to have the muscle to enforce them, wheather it be from monatary cut back or whatever. I remember the days when an unlicenced operator was more likely to get caught than not and this was a big deteriant in controlling the problem. Now days it seems that we as licenced operators have do these different agencies job for them. I guess that's another topic for another time. 73...ve7agw, Al |
"Jerry" wrote in message ... "TJ" wrote in message news:P1Z2e.864278$8l.567848@pd7tw1no... It's amazing how just one comment by a single person got this group into an uproar. I really think that the public in general has a romance with the life of the trucker brought on by the movie and media hype. Truckers are just ordinary people who do an thankless job of moving just about everything there is in North America to and from wholesalers to retailers. Over the years the average trucker's education level has gone from grade school drop outs to men and women holding degrees of various ranges of education. Over the years I've come to know a rather large group of people from a very large slice of various levels of education, similar to that of most truckers. I hold two degrees and a commercial Radio Telephone license, but for some reason I ended up returning to "trucking" all the time. And all the trucks I've driven, over 1 million miles, I've always had my amateur radio(s) and a CB. Each had it's own nicessity and each one had it's own language. On one radio I as a respected amateur radio operator who drove truck, on the other I was just another trucker looking for a traffic report. Oh, for those who are of the illusion that truckers are the cause of all the terrible accident on the highways, well the only person your fooling is yourself. To get the facts do a little research and you will find that four wheeled vehicles cause more accidents than any other vehicle. Trucks seem to fall into the same catigory as motorcycles do in the public's perseption of the cause of accidents. After you have done your research you will find that both trucks and motorcycles end of up being a very low percentage of the cause of accidents. The only thing the public sees is that when a truck gets into a bad accident it is very bad and devestating distruction. But statistics show there are fewer truck accidents than four wheeled vehicles and there are also far fewer accidents that are caused by trucks entirely. But, this is just this over educated truckers opinion. 73 de ve7agw, Al One DOES wonder if the gent that cut me off the other day is an example of the good trucker or otherwise. On that day I was driving the speed limit (60) when a truck began to tailgate me. When traffic cleared, he snatched the truck to the right lane, passed, blew his airhorn at me, and cut right back in front of me. Now just what the hell am I supposed to do? Get a ticket to please him? Not a chance! BOTH groups, trucks and cars, are responsible for plenty of wrecks simply because they aren't paying attention, going too fast, or too fast for conditions. J Your not alone on this one, I've been pulling a set of turnpikes (two 53 foot trialers) and had this pulled on me as well. Like "cl" said there are rotten apples in every trade. Over the years of driving in every state and province in North America (I've seen bad drivers in every one too) I've even had an ambulance (no lights/siren) cut in front of me while I was driving the speed limit of 55 for trucks and given the finger to boot. Even got told by a state trooper in NY that I was in his way and pull off the road where there was not shoulder. It seems that intellegence wasn't a requirement when they gave this individual a badge,pistol and drivers licence. On the hand I've seen some very stupid tricks done by trucking companies and drivers. One company in paticular had a habit of sending new green drivers out west into the mountains and in most cases it was a really bad decission for both driver and company. When you have to talk a pretrified driver down a mountain road so he won't kill himself and a lot of other people I really think something is wrong here. For the last few years I drove before retiring I drove the I-5 corridor, Vancouver Canada to LA and back once a week. And so many times I would see inexperienced drivers trying to come down Mount Ashland and the Grapevine in Ca. and their brakes would be smoking like a forest fire. By the time they reached the bottom they wouldn't have any brakes left on the truck or trailer. Driving a car on snow and ice is scarey, you should see what it's like driving an 80,000 lb. truck and hopfully the truck in front and behind you has an experienced driver in it. Now you know why most of us old truckers go prematurely gray and retire long before we are 65. I too drive two wheels and I hate it when I see a fool riding more bike than they can handle and it's the same with four or eighteen wheels. 73....ve7agw, Al |
"TJ" wrote in message news:k114e.893208$6l.853054@pd7tw2no... "Jerry" wrote in message ... "TJ" wrote in message news:P1Z2e.864278$8l.567848@pd7tw1no... It's amazing how just one comment by a single person got this group into an uproar. I really think that the public in general has a romance with the life of the trucker brought on by the movie and media hype. Truckers are just ordinary people who do an thankless job of moving just about everything there is in North America to and from wholesalers to retailers. Over the years the average trucker's education level has gone from grade school drop outs to men and women holding degrees of various ranges of education. Over the years I've come to know a rather large group of people from a very large slice of various levels of education, similar to that of most truckers. I hold two degrees and a commercial Radio Telephone license, but for some reason I ended up returning to "trucking" all the time. And all the trucks I've driven, over 1 million miles, I've always had my amateur radio(s) and a CB. Each had it's own nicessity and each one had it's own language. On one radio I as a respected amateur radio operator who drove truck, on the other I was just another trucker looking for a traffic report. Oh, for those who are of the illusion that truckers are the cause of all the terrible accident on the highways, well the only person your fooling is yourself. To get the facts do a little research and you will find that four wheeled vehicles cause more accidents than any other vehicle. Trucks seem to fall into the same catigory as motorcycles do in the public's perseption of the cause of accidents. After you have done your research you will find that both trucks and motorcycles end of up being a very low percentage of the cause of accidents. The only thing the public sees is that when a truck gets into a bad accident it is very bad and devestating distruction. But statistics show there are fewer truck accidents than four wheeled vehicles and there are also far fewer accidents that are caused by trucks entirely. But, this is just this over educated truckers opinion. 73 de ve7agw, Al One DOES wonder if the gent that cut me off the other day is an example of the good trucker or otherwise. On that day I was driving the speed limit (60) when a truck began to tailgate me. When traffic cleared, he snatched the truck to the right lane, passed, blew his airhorn at me, and cut right back in front of me. Now just what the hell am I supposed to do? Get a ticket to please him? Not a chance! BOTH groups, trucks and cars, are responsible for plenty of wrecks simply because they aren't paying attention, going too fast, or too fast for conditions. J Your not alone on this one, I've been pulling a set of turnpikes (two 53 foot trialers) and had this pulled on me as well. Like "cl" said there are rotten apples in every trade. Over the years of driving in every state and province in North America (I've seen bad drivers in every one too) I've even had an ambulance (no lights/siren) cut in front of me while I was driving the speed limit of 55 for trucks and given the finger to boot. Even got told by a state trooper in NY that I was in his way and pull off the road where there was not shoulder. It seems that intellegence wasn't a requirement when they gave this individual a badge,pistol and drivers licence. On the hand I've seen some very stupid tricks done by trucking companies and drivers. One company in paticular had a habit of sending new green drivers out west into the mountains and in most cases it was a really bad decission for both driver and company. When you have to talk a pretrified driver down a mountain road so he won't kill himself and a lot of other people I really think something is wrong here. For the last few years I drove before retiring I drove the I-5 corridor, Vancouver Canada to LA and back once a week. And so many times I would see inexperienced drivers trying to come down Mount Ashland and the Grapevine in Ca. and their brakes would be smoking like a forest fire. By the time they reached the bottom they wouldn't have any brakes left on the truck or trailer. Driving a car on snow and ice is scarey, you should see what it's like driving an 80,000 lb. truck and hopfully the truck in front and behind you has an experienced driver in it. Now you know why most of us old truckers go prematurely gray and retire long before we are 65. I too drive two wheels and I hate it when I see a fool riding more bike than they can handle and it's the same with four or eighteen wheels. 73....ve7agw, Al For what it's worth, I'm going to mention this, as it follows along with the thread and ultimate mention of "ambulances" being rude. Yes, the drivers of them can be rude. Give em an emergency vehicle, and all common sense goes out the window. I am involved in Fire and was at one time - EMS. Here, blue lights are used to get firefighters/emts to a station or call. Some take them for granted as a ticket to speed. They are not. They are courtesy lights only. No one is required to pull off for said vehicle with a blue light. The lights "must" be listed with the local State Police Barracks. Our station doesn't have a problem with lights as most live close enough to not need them. But there are others who go whizzing by to "their" stations who "have" abused them. They were caught and fined too. The State Police here have been known to pull over anyone using a blue light and even Ambulances going over the speed limit - to question the legitimacy of a call and thus the speed being used. Some folks who had to travel through our town to go to "their" station (not ours) were getting pretty bad with abuse of lights and speed. I don't care WHO you are or THINK you are, no one has the right to defy the law. They're made for a reason. As was said by me and alluded to by another gentleman, toss the laws out the window, and it will be complete turmoil. The wild west will look like a kiddie carnival compared to what we would see. Everyone must play a part to keep what we call peace and civilization - at a pace for all to survive. cl |
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