28mhz ham radio best keep secret.not any more.
 

the band we truckers,took over we dont need big hf radios like keenwood
etc.we use low cost radios with big power.also the high power black
radio people are makeing there way up 28hz.the new super bowl .we
black,white folks are meeting togeter.untiy day is here on 28mhz

"H J" wrote in message
...
the band we truckers,took over we dont need big hf radios like
keenwood
etc.we use low cost radios with big power.also the high power
black
radio people are makeing there way up 28hz.the new super bowl
..we
black,white folks are meeting togeter.untiy day is here on 28mhz


Can't spell, can not clearly communicate, and will spend serious
time in prison for operation on 10Meters. The fine is $10,000 a
Day, and the prison time is up to 10 years per infraction. NOT
SMART!

On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 18:05:03 GMT, Clarence_A wrote:

"H J" wrote in message
...
the band we truckers,took over we dont need big hf radios like
keenwood
etc.we use low cost radios with big power.also the high power
black
radio people are makeing there way up 28hz.the new super bowl
.we
black,white folks are meeting togeter.untiy day is here on 28mhz

Can't spell, can not clearly communicate, and will spend serious
time in prison for operation on 10Meters. The fine is $10,000 a
Day, and the prison time is up to 10 years per infraction.
NOT SMART!

What is really *NOT SMART* is replying to a TROLL.

"Freebanding" is quite common these days.
However, from my observations, you are much more likely to find a ham on CB
having fun and rabble-rousing with the truckers and "country folk" than a
trucker on the 10 meter band.
Be it as it is... truckers probably well outnumber hams in the US... and
CERTAINLY provide a much more valuable service.

Regards

"drwxr-xr-x" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 18:05:03 GMT, Clarence_A wrote:

"H J" wrote in message
...
the band we truckers,took over we dont need big hf radios like
keenwood
etc.we use low cost radios with big power.also the high power
black
radio people are makeing there way up 28hz.the new super bowl
.we
black,white folks are meeting togeter.untiy day is here on 28mhz

Can't spell, can not clearly communicate, and will spend serious
time in prison for operation on 10Meters. The fine is $10,000 a
Day, and the prison time is up to 10 years per infraction.
NOT SMART!

What is really *NOT SMART* is replying to a TROLL.

"drwxr-xr-x" i'm_a_troll.org wrote
Clarence_A wrote:
"H J" wrote in message

the band we truckers,took over we dont need big hf radios
like
keenwood
etc.we use low cost radios with big power.also the high power
black
radio people are makeing there way up 28hz.the new super bowl
.we
black,white folks are meeting togeter.untiy day is here on
28mhz

Can't spell, can not clearly communicate, and will spend
serious
time in prison for operation on 10Meters. The fine is
$10,000 a
Day, and the prison time is up to 10 years per infraction.
NOT SMART!

What is really *NOT SMART* is replying to a TROLL.

SO I should not reply to YOU? I'll keep it in mind.

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
"Freebanding" is quite common these days.
However, from my observations, you are much more likely to find a ham on
CB
having fun and rabble-rousing with the truckers and "country folk" than a
trucker on the 10 meter band.
Be it as it is... truckers probably well outnumber hams in the US... and
CERTAINLY provide a much more valuable service.

Regards


Yes they do provide a valuable service, however, that does not give them the
right to disobey the law - be it the FCC's laws or even speed laws. What you
seem to be implying is that their service gives them carte blanch to do as
they please.

Maybe Hams do go on CB bands, so what! As long as it is with Type accepted
equipment, meaning a "legal" CB set, there is nothing wrong with that
picture. IF they are using HAM gear to talk out of Ham bands, then it too is
illegal. To go into the ham bands with out a license is also illegal.

There's no other way to cut it - you either operate within the law or
contrary to it. IF contrary, then you have no claim in your defense, as they
do not accept the "ignorance" excuse. The law is the law until someone
decides to change it.

With all the disobedience in this country, no wonder it is going to hell in
a hand basket.

cl

My post was simply a list of facts as they appear to me. The use of
communications to assist in the delivery of medicine, food, clothing,
building materials, etc. is of more importance than the use of airways for
recreation.
Since most would accept that the law of "...the greatest good for the
greatest number..." would apply, if push came to shove--the truckers would
probably end up with the frequencies in question...

Regards

"cl" wrote in message
o.verio.net...

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
"Freebanding" is quite common these days.
However, from my observations, you are much more likely to find a ham on
CB
having fun and rabble-rousing with the truckers and "country folk" than a
trucker on the 10 meter band.
Be it as it is... truckers probably well outnumber hams in the US... and
CERTAINLY provide a much more valuable service.

Regards


Yes they do provide a valuable service, however, that does not give them
the right to disobey the law - be it the FCC's laws or even speed laws.
What you seem to be implying is that their service gives them carte blanch
to do as they please.

Maybe Hams do go on CB bands, so what! As long as it is with Type accepted
equipment, meaning a "legal" CB set, there is nothing wrong with that
picture. IF they are using HAM gear to talk out of Ham bands, then it too
is illegal. To go into the ham bands with out a license is also illegal.

There's no other way to cut it - you either operate within the law or
contrary to it. IF contrary, then you have no claim in your defense, as
they do not accept the "ignorance" excuse. The law is the law until
someone decides to change it.

With all the disobedience in this country, no wonder it is going to hell
in a hand basket.

cl

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
My post was simply a list of facts as they appear to me.
The use of
communications to assist in the delivery of medicine, food,
clothing,
building materials, etc. is of more importance than the
use of airways for recreation.

There is a nation wide radio service for truckers and what the
truckers are doing when they go to Radio Amateur frequencies is a
crime. These frequencies are used for many different things
including emergency communications in disasters, the HFers simply
do not belong there!

Regardless of your poorly reasoned opine.

Actually, the use of bandwidth for recreational purposes provides NO real
revenue for local, state or federal government. With the outstanding costs
of government--it would be most logical to switch much of this wasted
bandwidth over to private enterprise where real tax revenue could be
recovered...
Recreational communications are probably much better suited to the internet,
again, where the greatest numbers receive the greatest benefit.
My "faulty" logic is indicating to me that this is the direction things will
go, when finally these issues are put under a microscope and examined.
Since my crystal ball is cloudy at the present time--I will await the future
for confirmation...

Regards

"Clarence_A" wrote in message
m...

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
My post was simply a list of facts as they appear to me.
The use of
communications to assist in the delivery of medicine, food,
clothing,
building materials, etc. is of more importance than the
use of airways for recreation.

There is a nation wide radio service for truckers and what the
truckers are doing when they go to Radio Amateur frequencies is a
crime. These frequencies are used for many different things
including emergency communications in disasters, the HFers simply
do not belong there!

Regardless of your poorly reasoned opine.

I doubt it........ just because a "group" wants something, doesn't mean
they'll get it. Your group may be in numbers due to the job they do, but not
in other avenues as well - nor does it give them the right to break laws.
Again, the law IS the law - until someone changes it. Given there are many
truckers who are also VALID hams, its doubtful they would vote in your
favor. They don't break the law, they got their license unlike others who
are too lazy to get up off their ass and make the effort to learn what
little it takes to get a license. A few years ago, it was tough for those
who had no inclination to learn. Many years ago, you even had to draw
schematics and even before that - BUILD a circuit. Given the poor poor
pitiful me act which someone had enacted for stupidity's sake, now the tests
are made so it's almost impossible to fail. Try studying, get your license,
then use H.F. to your hearts content. The use of communications for what you
mention, can be left with the CB band, it works just as well right there. If
you guys would quit running power, echo boxes, etc to drown each other out
and splatter all 40 channels, maybe more could talk and get the
communication through. A clean signal gets through every bit as good or
better than one filled with garbage. Try it sometime. The only one's you'll
be competing with are your buds who still talk with the garbage. Too bad the
FCC hasn't thought of setting up shop at the Weigh Stations. They could bust
the truckers for illegal radios while the cops are busting them for bad
mechanical problems, poor log books and so on. The FCC "has" busted a few
truckers, just not enough. NO JOB - I don't care what you do - gives you the
right to break the law or think you're special. I know a trucking company
who just lost most of their hauls due to the oil prices. Now the loads go by
Train. So DO NOT THINK - you are so on top of the world. It could come
crashing down.

cl

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
My post was simply a list of facts as they appear to me. The use of
communications to assist in the delivery of medicine, food, clothing,
building materials, etc. is of more importance than the use of airways for
recreation.
Since most would accept that the law of "...the greatest good for the
greatest number..." would apply, if push came to shove--the truckers would
probably end up with the frequencies in question...

Regards

"cl" wrote in message
o.verio.net...

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
"Freebanding" is quite common these days.
However, from my observations, you are much more likely to find a ham on
CB
having fun and rabble-rousing with the truckers and "country folk" than
a
trucker on the 10 meter band.
Be it as it is... truckers probably well outnumber hams in the US... and
CERTAINLY provide a much more valuable service.

Regards


Yes they do provide a valuable service, however, that does not give them
the right to disobey the law - be it the FCC's laws or even speed laws.
What you seem to be implying is that their service gives them carte
blanch to do as they please.

Maybe Hams do go on CB bands, so what! As long as it is with Type
accepted equipment, meaning a "legal" CB set, there is nothing wrong with
that picture. IF they are using HAM gear to talk out of Ham bands, then
it too is illegal. To go into the ham bands with out a license is also
illegal.

There's no other way to cut it - you either operate within the law or
contrary to it. IF contrary, then you have no claim in your defense, as
they do not accept the "ignorance" excuse. The law is the law until
someone decides to change it.

With all the disobedience in this country, no wonder it is going to hell
in a hand basket.

cl

Um,,,,,,,, when the power goes out and phone lines go down, how is the
computer going to help? It won't.
You'll be sitting there with your thumbs stuck up your ass while those with
radios are able to talk. You're right about one thing, your logic is faulty.

cl

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Actually, the use of bandwidth for recreational purposes provides NO real
revenue for local, state or federal government. With the outstanding
costs
of government--it would be most logical to switch much of this wasted
bandwidth over to private enterprise where real tax revenue could be
recovered...
Recreational communications are probably much better suited to the
internet,
again, where the greatest numbers receive the greatest benefit.
My "faulty" logic is indicating to me that this is the direction things
will
go, when finally these issues are put under a microscope and examined.
Since my crystal ball is cloudy at the present time--I will await the
future
for confirmation...

Regards

"Clarence_A" wrote in message
m...

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
My post was simply a list of facts as they appear to me.
The use of
communications to assist in the delivery of medicine, food,
clothing,
building materials, etc. is of more importance than the
use of airways for recreation.

There is a nation wide radio service for truckers and what the
truckers are doing when they go to Radio Amateur frequencies is a
crime. These frequencies are used for many different things
including emergency communications in disasters, the HFers simply
do not belong there!

Regardless of your poorly reasoned opine.

And the oil with last forever (however, they told the gold miners the gold
would last forever--the lumberjacks the timber would last forever--and that
the water was without end...)
Hams are probably the smallest minority on the planet...
Of course if you ignore the above--ham radio will last forever!!!!

Regards

"cl" wrote in message
o.verio.net...
I doubt it........ just because a "group" wants something, doesn't mean
they'll get it. Your group may be in numbers due to the job they do, but
not in other avenues as well - nor does it give them the right to break
laws. Again, the law IS the law - until someone changes it. Given there are
many truckers who are also VALID hams, its doubtful they would vote in your
favor. They don't break the law, they got their license unlike others who
are too lazy to get up off their ass and make the effort to learn what
little it takes to get a license. A few years ago, it was tough for those
who had no inclination to learn. Many years ago, you even had to draw
schematics and even before that - BUILD a circuit. Given the poor poor
pitiful me act which someone had enacted for stupidity's sake, now the
tests are made so it's almost impossible to fail. Try studying, get your
license, then use H.F. to your hearts content. The use of communications
for what you mention, can be left with the CB band, it works just as well
right there. If you guys would quit running power, echo boxes, etc to drown
each other out and splatter all 40 channels, maybe more could talk and get
the communication through. A clean signal gets through every bit as good or
better than one filled with garbage. Try it sometime. The only one's you'll
be competing with are your buds who still talk with the garbage. Too bad
the FCC hasn't thought of setting up shop at the Weigh Stations. They could
bust the truckers for illegal radios while the cops are busting them for
bad mechanical problems, poor log books and so on. The FCC "has" busted a
few truckers, just not enough. NO JOB - I don't care what you do - gives
you the right to break the law or think you're special. I know a trucking
company who just lost most of their hauls due to the oil prices. Now the
loads go by Train. So DO NOT THINK - you are so on top of the world. It
could come crashing down.

cl

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
My post was simply a list of facts as they appear to me. The use of
communications to assist in the delivery of medicine, food, clothing,
building materials, etc. is of more importance than the use of airways
for recreation.
Since most would accept that the law of "...the greatest good for the
greatest number..." would apply, if push came to shove--the truckers
would probably end up with the frequencies in question...

Regards

"cl" wrote in message
o.verio.net...

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
"Freebanding" is quite common these days.
However, from my observations, you are much more likely to find a ham
on CB
having fun and rabble-rousing with the truckers and "country folk" than
a
trucker on the 10 meter band.
Be it as it is... truckers probably well outnumber hams in the US...
and
CERTAINLY provide a much more valuable service.

Regards


Yes they do provide a valuable service, however, that does not give them
the right to disobey the law - be it the FCC's laws or even speed laws.
What you seem to be implying is that their service gives them carte
blanch to do as they please.

Maybe Hams do go on CB bands, so what! As long as it is with Type
accepted equipment, meaning a "legal" CB set, there is nothing wrong
with that picture. IF they are using HAM gear to talk out of Ham bands,
then it too is illegal. To go into the ham bands with out a license is
also illegal.

There's no other way to cut it - you either operate within the law or
contrary to it. IF contrary, then you have no claim in your defense, as
they do not accept the "ignorance" excuse. The law is the law until
someone decides to change it.

With all the disobedience in this country, no wonder it is going to hell
in a hand basket.

cl

Well, that could happen...
But I would suppose they will run an electrical cord over to the hams
generator and keep on communicating...

Regards

"cl" wrote in message
o.verio.net...
Um,,,,,,,, when the power goes out and phone lines go down, how is the
computer going to help? It won't.
You'll be sitting there with your thumbs stuck up your ass while those
with radios are able to talk. You're right about one thing, your logic is
faulty.

cl

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Actually, the use of bandwidth for recreational purposes provides NO real
revenue for local, state or federal government. With the outstanding
costs
of government--it would be most logical to switch much of this wasted
bandwidth over to private enterprise where real tax revenue could be
recovered...
Recreational communications are probably much better suited to the
internet,
again, where the greatest numbers receive the greatest benefit.
My "faulty" logic is indicating to me that this is the direction things
will
go, when finally these issues are put under a microscope and examined.
Since my crystal ball is cloudy at the present time--I will await the
future
for confirmation...

Regards

"Clarence_A" wrote in message
m...

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
My post was simply a list of facts as they appear to me.
The use of
communications to assist in the delivery of medicine, food,
clothing,
building materials, etc. is of more importance than the
use of airways for recreation.

There is a nation wide radio service for truckers and what the
truckers are doing when they go to Radio Amateur frequencies is a
crime. These frequencies are used for many different things
including emergency communications in disasters, the HFers simply
do not belong there!

Regardless of your poorly reasoned opine.

haaaa only got 12 peolpe .not bad for a troll the freeband peolpe
spend a lot of money buying those hf rigs and use it only on the
freeband.not to smart.anyway suckers 73s from the big bam

"John Smith" wrote in message
Actually, the use of bandwidth for recreational purposes provides NO real
revenue for local, state or federal government. With the outstanding
costs
of government--it would be most logical to switch much of this wasted
bandwidth over to private enterprise where real tax revenue could be
recovered...
Recreational communications are probably much better suited to the
internet,
again, where the greatest numbers receive the greatest benefit.
My "faulty" logic is indicating to me that this is the direction things
will
go, when finally these issues are put under a microscope and examined.
Since my crystal ball is cloudy at the present time--I will await the
future
for confirmation...

Regards

If you can't see the value in amateur radio than you are a idiot. anyone who
thinks it's ok to operate in a band they are not licensed to be in because
they are doing something good is messed up. what's worse is if you think it
would be ok to give up the band because a trucker is doing something
productive? geez.. Listen around there is ALOT more going on the amateur
bands than pure recreation.

Adair - KD5DYP

On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 12:23:07 -0800, "John Smith"
wrote:

My post was simply a list of facts as they appear to me. The use of
communications to assist in the delivery of medicine, food, clothing,
building materials, etc. is of more importance than the use of airways for
recreation.

So you're calling the babble that the truckers put out an "assist to
the delivery of products?"

You have to be trolling.

With all the disobedience in this country, no wonder it is going to hell
in a hand basket.


Man, You hit a nerve on that statement , Maybe you wanted to say " We need
more disobedience in this country" didnt you ? The have's trying to run the
lives of the have not's for one ...I guess it always was that way for the
most part , Dont be suprised if that changes in the not to distant future.
Common folk are gettin sick and tired of rising costs of goods in general,
perverts raping and killing little kids ,Look now at people freakin out and
doin goofy ****. Mankind (in general) is in for drastic changes in the next
10 to 20 years ..History will start to repeat itself just as soon as oil
prices start to be unaffordable to us commen folk. So act now...buy a horse
and wagon

-----

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
"Freebanding" is quite common these days.
However, from my observations, you are much more likely to find a ham on
CB
having fun and rabble-rousing with the truckers and "country folk" than a
trucker on the 10 meter band.
Be it as it is... truckers probably well outnumber hams in the US... and
CERTAINLY provide a much more valuable service.



Great. Think I'll run out and buy myself a big-ass Volvo-White sleeper with
a 53-foot trailer and when the cops ask for my CDL license, I'll tell them
I'm a free-roader and I don't need any stinking CDL. Sounds fair to me.

--

Joe S.


Regards

"drwxr-xr-x" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 18:05:03 GMT, Clarence_A wrote:

"H J" wrote in message
...
the band we truckers,took over we dont need big hf radios like
keenwood
etc.we use low cost radios with big power.also the high power
black
radio people are makeing there way up 28hz.the new super bowl
.we
black,white folks are meeting togeter.untiy day is here on 28mhz

Can't spell, can not clearly communicate, and will spend serious
time in prison for operation on 10Meters. The fine is $10,000 a
Day, and the prison time is up to 10 years per infraction.
NOT SMART!

What is really *NOT SMART* is replying to a TROLL.

Well, I guess the FCC could increase the cost of licences by about 10000% to
cover the costs of enforcing this for a very small number who would
benefit--but don't hold your breath...
Sure, most of those truckers are running 500+ watts and I have seen 1500
watt linears being built by a retired engineer in his garage (mobile
linears!) for extra beer money...
But hey, those truckers are in most towns and cities for a matter of
minutes, they don't get paid unless they are laying down miles on a
road--they are only temporary inconveniences...
"Radio Police" running up and down the freeways pursuing truckers seems to
come in low on a list including terrorists, illegal aliens, a failing SSI
system, increasing drug and medical costs, etc, etc--the danger of being
sued for illegal searches alone is scarry... not to even mention how
ridiculous it all sounds to people outside ham radio!
Becomming totally involved in a hobby to the point of losing all sense of
importance of reality is fine--I like to day dream--but get real!

Regards

"Joe S." wrote in message
...
-----

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
"Freebanding" is quite common these days.
However, from my observations, you are much more likely to find a ham on
CB
having fun and rabble-rousing with the truckers and "country folk" than a
trucker on the 10 meter band.
Be it as it is... truckers probably well outnumber hams in the US... and
CERTAINLY provide a much more valuable service.



Great. Think I'll run out and buy myself a big-ass Volvo-White sleeper
with
a 53-foot trailer and when the cops ask for my CDL license, I'll tell them
I'm a free-roader and I don't need any stinking CDL. Sounds fair to me.

--

Joe S.


Regards

"drwxr-xr-x" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 18:05:03 GMT, Clarence_A wrote:

"H J" wrote in message
...
the band we truckers,took over we dont need big hf radios like
keenwood
etc.we use low cost radios with big power.also the high power
black
radio people are makeing there way up 28hz.the new super bowl
.we
black,white folks are meeting togeter.untiy day is here on 28mhz

Can't spell, can not clearly communicate, and will spend serious
time in prison for operation on 10Meters. The fine is $10,000 a
Day, and the prison time is up to 10 years per infraction.
NOT SMART!

What is really *NOT SMART* is replying to a TROLL.

On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 18:05:03 GMT, "Clarence_A" wrote:


"H J" wrote in message
...
the band we truckers,took over we dont need big hf radios like
keenwood
etc.we use low cost radios with big power.also the high power
black
radio people are makeing there way up 28hz.the new super bowl
.we
black,white folks are meeting togeter.untiy day is here on 28mhz


Can't spell, can not clearly communicate, and will spend serious
time in prison for operation on 10Meters. The fine is $10,000 a
Day, and the prison time is up to 10 years per infraction. NOT
SMART!


Freebanding is the least of my worries with truckers. Big trucks are
5 percent of the vehicles on the road. They are involved in 25
percent of the accidents. Naturally, they blame this on the cars.
The corrupt federal, state and local governments are paid off by the
motor freight (fright?) industry to look the other way on speeding and
almost all other infractions. When was it last time you saw a truck
pulled over? How often do they go by on the highway in excess of 75
MPH? Do the math.

Of course, as a ham, I also despise freebanders and hope they get
caught and fined - big time.

Russ

so what is more inportant in life not your hobby most people put there
radio hobby before,god and there family that is sad .they will drive all
night to go to a hamfest but when it comes time for a family event o i
cant make it heard it to many times on the radio waves.
so i guess the ups or fedex truck did not bring you that new hf rig so
next time you pick it up stop picking on truckers.

by the way if you wanna be a free trucker go with the best volvo lol i
will by a kw.or pete. next time i see you radio police cops
trying to get my tag number i may have to go to jail but i will make dam
shure that wil be your last number you get. just think 80.000lbs runing
you off the road

As a matter of fact, I have been wondering when they are going to put those
toilets back in the parks and hire an illegal alien to clean them (that
can't be that expensive!), sure makes it hard when you take the grandkids to
the park...

Regards

"Justín Käse" wrote in message
news:42487e15.22413628@chupacabra...
In posted on
Mon, 28 Mar 2005 03:30:37 GMT, Russ wrote:

Of course, as a ham, I also despise freebanders and hope they get
caught and fined - big time.

You'd rather them bootlegging in the ham bands?
Like a public toilet in the park, sure it's nasty, but better than
****ting everywhere, and some folk are gonna communicate no matter where
the end up doing it.
--

JK

Fella... I can't even begin to tell you what is wrong with that post... if
you have any friends who would stand beside you as you make bodily threats
to human beings--I can't even begin to describe where I would like to see
you all removed to...

Regards


--
Hay, if'n ya'll cun't konstructivly partecipete in this disscusion, haw
aboot speel-checkin it fer me?
"H J" wrote in message
...
by the way if you wanna be a free trucker go with the best volvo lol i
will by a kw.or pete. next time i see you radio police cops
trying to get my tag number i may have to go to jail but i will make dam
shure that wil be your last number you get. just think 80.000lbs runing
you off the road

My post was simply a list of facts as they appear to me. The use of
communications to assist in the delivery of medicine, food, clothing,
building materials, etc. is of more importance than the use of airways
for
recreation.

That might mean something if they actually needed it, or didn't
have a legal choice. But they do. Regardless of feelings on the
matter, what they do is illegal, and could cause them considerable
negative cashflow if caught. Could also effect the ability to
legally obtain a license after such a conviction, the way things
have been going lately.

Since most would accept that the law of "...the greatest good for the
greatest number..." would apply, if push came to shove--the truckers
would
probably end up with the frequencies in question...

They have legal frequencies they can use. This is *exactly* what
the CB band was created for. They also have business band options,
the the family radio frequencies to chose from. Myself, I have a
simple solution that I impliment when I hear illegal truckers on
the CW portion of 10m. I fire up my henry console, and started
calling CQ right smack dab on top of them. Tends to ruin
their day...1+ kw of CW on 10m cuts holes like a plasma
cutter...:) I have no real problems with them using the
"freeband" under 28 mhz, as it's basically unused, although
legally, it is allocated to aircraft I believe... I'll
leave it up to the FCC to decide how they want to treat it.
As far as I know, they will prosecute, if they hear you
there. The "freebanders" have been there for so many years,
they have sorta of taken it over...
But if I catch them in *my* allocated frequency range,
I'm gonna put them on hold. They can try to talk,
but I'm going to make it as unpleasant for them,
as possible. It's called self policing. And that's
the way ham radio has basically been run for years.
If the truckers want to use 10m, more power to them,
but they better get a license first. And being it's
so easy these days, with CW being snails pace, even
for extra, there is *no* excuse not to have one.
They can use 2m, if they are too slow to learn CW.
So even CW is no excuse to break the law. MK

It is interesting that so many intend that you "design the world" then cause
the people to fit the design; this is 180 degrees of what really
happens--people bend the world to fit themselves.

For whatever reasons, some have seemed to have decided certain "rf space"
fits them and, they are no small number, the truckers!

While it might benefit some, if there were "radio police" to hunt down every
trucker with a 500+ watt linear, who would pay for this? Would hams accept
a 10000%+ increase in the cost of licenses to help fund such a force,
equipment and activities?

And, it is one thing to find a station running at a stationary
location--quite another when that station is mobile. However, those
enjoying such things would find one large and unending fox hunt--reminiscent
of the old "cops and robbers game" one played as a child!

Imprisoning citizens for simple infractions of rules which are causing no
one physical, monetary or real personal damage (i.e. amateurs are only being
deprived of sole benefit of bandwidth for their hobby use) is insane--you
have to wonder "what are these people thinking?"
One very good example of this, and could be viewed as a model of what would
happen if this were to occur might be "the war on drugs." We have waged
this war for 30+ years--there are more drugs on the streets than before we
began--and people are REALLY being harmed NOW as these criminals attempt to
gain the money to obtain the drugs we have made so expensive and, to escape
the penalties we have made so severe--INSANE! There is about the same
amount of cocaine in a coca plant as sugar in a sugar cane. I can walk into
a supermarket and buy 5 lbs of sugar for next to nothing! If that were
cocaine, it would probably get everyone in a major city high, maybe for
days! Since it is forced to the black market it most likely costs
millions!!! And, there seems an unlimited amount of addicts which will maim,
harm or even kill citizens to gain this drug--INSANE!

There was a time when one special group of a few individuals could be
allowed to think themselves "special" and allowed to run a unique "old boys
club." Times have changed. However, you are living in the past if you don't
see the handwriting on the wall and, think you will be able to oppose change
and evolution of the use of radio communications.

Some will personally attack me for pointing this all out-kill the messenger
bearing the bad news-WAKE UP! Look around, you are either part of the
problem or you are part of the solution...

When you are done acting like a child and throwing your temper
tantrums-perhaps you will see the problem is still there to deal with.



Regards

--
Hay, if'n ya'll cun't konstructivly partecipete in this disscusion, haw
aboot speel-checkin it fer me?


wrote in message
oups.com...
My post was simply a list of facts as they appear to me. The use of
communications to assist in the delivery of medicine, food, clothing,
building materials, etc. is of more importance than the use of airways
for
recreation.

That might mean something if they actually needed it, or didn't
have a legal choice. But they do. Regardless of feelings on the
matter, what they do is illegal, and could cause them considerable
negative cashflow if caught. Could also effect the ability to
legally obtain a license after such a conviction, the way things
have been going lately.

Since most would accept that the law of "...the greatest good for the
greatest number..." would apply, if push came to shove--the truckers
would
probably end up with the frequencies in question...

They have legal frequencies they can use. This is *exactly* what
the CB band was created for. They also have business band options,
the the family radio frequencies to chose from. Myself, I have a
simple solution that I impliment when I hear illegal truckers on
the CW portion of 10m. I fire up my henry console, and started
calling CQ right smack dab on top of them. Tends to ruin
their day...1+ kw of CW on 10m cuts holes like a plasma
cutter...:) I have no real problems with them using the
"freeband" under 28 mhz, as it's basically unused, although
legally, it is allocated to aircraft I believe... I'll
leave it up to the FCC to decide how they want to treat it.
As far as I know, they will prosecute, if they hear you
there. The "freebanders" have been there for so many years,
they have sorta of taken it over...
But if I catch them in *my* allocated frequency range,
I'm gonna put them on hold. They can try to talk,
but I'm going to make it as unpleasant for them,
as possible. It's called self policing. And that's
the way ham radio has basically been run for years.
If the truckers want to use 10m, more power to them,
but they better get a license first. And being it's
so easy these days, with CW being snails pace, even
for extra, there is *no* excuse not to have one.
They can use 2m, if they are too slow to learn CW.
So even CW is no excuse to break the law. MK

"H J" wrote in message
...
by the way if you wanna be a free trucker go with the best volvo
lol i
will by a kw.or pete. next time i see you radio police
cops
trying to get my tag number i may have to go to jail but i will
make dam
shure that wil be your last number you get. just think 80.000lbs
runing
you off the road



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Subject: 28mhz ham radio best keep secret.not any more .
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"Russ" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 18:05:03 GMT, "Clarence_A"
wrote:
"H J" wrote in message
...
the band we truckers,took over we dont need big hf radios
like
keenwood
etc.we use low cost radios with big power.also the high power
black
radio people are makeing there way up 28hz.the new super bowl
.we
black,white folks are meeting togeter.untiy day is here on
28mhz


Can't spell, can not clearly communicate, and will spend
serious
time in prison for operation on 10Meters. The fine is $10,000
a
Day, and the prison time is up to 10 years per infraction.
NOT
SMART!


Freebanding is the least of my worries with truckers. Big
trucks are
5 percent of the vehicles on the road. They are involved in 25
percent of the accidents. Naturally, they blame this on the
cars.
The corrupt federal, state and local governments are paid off by
the
motor freight (fright?) industry to look the other way on
speeding and
almost all other infractions. When was it last time you saw a
truck
pulled over? How often do they go by on the highway in excess
of 75 MPH? Do the math.

Of course, as a ham, I also despise freebanders and hope they
get
caught and fined - big time.

Russ


Eight stopped just in the last two days. But they missed another
five!

While I don't support people who threaten harm to others, neither do I
respect the "I am going to tell the teacher" types.

If you wish your ISP to be anonymous go to this web page, find an anonymous
host of your choosing:

http://www.atomintersoft.com/product.../proxy%2Dlist/



|-------
address -------|- port-|

the ISP address will be give in the form XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX:XXXX



using the address and port, open IE Explorer.

- go to "Tools"

- then "Internet Options"

- then "Connections" tab

- then "LAN Settings"

- check the "Use proxy server for you LAN" and enter the above
address and proxy into the appropriate boxes.

- Pick "OK", then "OK" again



Now your browser should be set to proxy through the ISP proxy you have
entered into IE Explorer. I leave it to you to make sure it is set
correctly, there are many pages on the web which will test for you and show
you the ISP that being displayed as being "yours."

If your settings in outlook express are to use the settings from IE
Explorer, this will make your postings and email appear to come from another
ISP which is NOT your real one-effectively making you anonymous..

No one should be able to say this is "illegal." It can simply be looked at
as sending a letter to someone and NOT including a return address on the
envelope-or, using an invalid address to protect the innocent.

Posting, and voicing ones thoughts should not be open to retaliation by
vengeful people who would harm you.


--
Hay, if'n ya'll cun't konstructivly partecipete in this disscusion, haw
aboot speel-checkin it fer me?


"H J" wrote in message
...
by the way if you wanna be a free trucker go with the best volvo lol i
will by a kw.or pete. next time i see you radio police cops
trying to get my tag number i may have to go to jail but i will make dam
shure that wil be your last number you get. just think 80.000lbs runing
you off the road

Many truckers are smart enough to become hams and have done so. So
why can't other truckers do the same?

Truck drivers may do a good service, but they do a dis-service when
they freeband.



On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 11:35:43 -0800, "John Smith"
wrote:

"Freebanding" is quite common these days.
However, from my observations, you are much more likely to find a ham on CB
having fun and rabble-rousing with the truckers and "country folk" than a
trucker on the 10 meter band.
Be it as it is... truckers probably well outnumber hams in the US... and
CERTAINLY provide a much more valuable service.

Regards

--
73 for now
Buck
N4PGW

On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 12:23:07 -0800, "John Smith"
wrote:

My post was simply a list of facts as they appear to me. The use of
communications to assist in the delivery of medicine, food, clothing,
building materials, etc. is of more importance than the use of airways for
recreation.
Since most would accept that the law of "...the greatest good for the
greatest number..." would apply, if push came to shove--the truckers would
probably end up with the frequencies in question...

Regards


There are frequencies assigned for those kinds of purposes, not
amateur frequencies. Try using a cell phone etc. Besides, they don't
need the ham bands to deliver medicine etc.
--
73 for now
Buck
N4PGW

So what is wrong with operating in their assigned frequencies?




On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 07:48:50 -0800, "John Smith"
wrote:

It is interesting that so many intend that you "design the world" then cause
the people to fit the design; this is 180 degrees of what really
happens--people bend the world to fit themselves.

For whatever reasons, some have seemed to have decided certain "rf space"
fits them and, they are no small number, the truckers!

While it might benefit some, if there were "radio police" to hunt down every
trucker with a 500+ watt linear, who would pay for this? Would hams accept
a 10000%+ increase in the cost of licenses to help fund such a force,
equipment and activities?

And, it is one thing to find a station running at a stationary
location--quite another when that station is mobile. However, those
enjoying such things would find one large and unending fox hunt--reminiscent
of the old "cops and robbers game" one played as a child!

Imprisoning citizens for simple infractions of rules which are causing no
one physical, monetary or real personal damage (i.e. amateurs are only being
deprived of sole benefit of bandwidth for their hobby use) is insane--you
have to wonder "what are these people thinking?"
One very good example of this, and could be viewed as a model of what would
happen if this were to occur might be "the war on drugs." We have waged
this war for 30+ years--there are more drugs on the streets than before we
began--and people are REALLY being harmed NOW as these criminals attempt to
gain the money to obtain the drugs we have made so expensive and, to escape
the penalties we have made so severe--INSANE! There is about the same
amount of cocaine in a coca plant as sugar in a sugar cane. I can walk into
a supermarket and buy 5 lbs of sugar for next to nothing! If that were
cocaine, it would probably get everyone in a major city high, maybe for
days! Since it is forced to the black market it most likely costs
millions!!! And, there seems an unlimited amount of addicts which will maim,
harm or even kill citizens to gain this drug--INSANE!

There was a time when one special group of a few individuals could be
allowed to think themselves "special" and allowed to run a unique "old boys
club." Times have changed. However, you are living in the past if you don't
see the handwriting on the wall and, think you will be able to oppose change
and evolution of the use of radio communications.

Some will personally attack me for pointing this all out-kill the messenger
bearing the bad news-WAKE UP! Look around, you are either part of the
problem or you are part of the solution...

When you are done acting like a child and throwing your temper
tantrums-perhaps you will see the problem is still there to deal with.



Regards

--
73 for now
Buck
N4PGW

Oh yeah, I forgot... if this proxy you entered ever becomes unavailable, you
will NOT be able to connect to the web. SO... remember to either go back in
IE and turn off the "Use proxy..." box using the above will guide you
there... then you can simply go back to the proxy web page, get a new
address of a new proxy and plug it into IE Explorer... you should change the
proxy you are using, frequently, anyway...

Regards

--
Hay, if'n ya'll cun't konstructivly partecipete in this disscusion, haw
aboot speel-checkin it fer me?


"John Smith" wrote in message
...
While I don't support people who threaten harm to others, neither do I
respect the "I am going to tell the teacher" types.

If you wish your ISP to be anonymous go to this web page, find an
anonymous host of your choosing:

http://www.atomintersoft.com/product.../proxy%2Dlist/



|-------
address -------|- port-|

the ISP address will be give in the form XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX:XXXX



using the address and port, open IE Explorer.

- go to "Tools"

- then "Internet Options"

- then "Connections" tab

- then "LAN Settings"

- check the "Use proxy server for you LAN" and enter the above
address and proxy into the appropriate boxes.

- Pick "OK", then "OK" again



Now your browser should be set to proxy through the ISP proxy you have
entered into IE Explorer. I leave it to you to make sure it is set
correctly, there are many pages on the web which will test for you and
show you the ISP that being displayed as being "yours."

If your settings in outlook express are to use the settings from IE
Explorer, this will make your postings and email appear to come from
another ISP which is NOT your real one-effectively making you anonymous..

No one should be able to say this is "illegal." It can simply be looked
at as sending a letter to someone and NOT including a return address on
the envelope-or, using an invalid address to protect the innocent.

Posting, and voicing ones thoughts should not be open to retaliation by
vengeful people who would harm you.


--
Hay, if'n ya'll cun't konstructivly partecipete in this disscusion, haw
aboot speel-checkin it fer me?


"H J" wrote in message
...
by the way if you wanna be a free trucker go with the best volvo lol i
will by a kw.or pete. next time i see you radio police cops
trying to get my tag number i may have to go to jail but i will make dam
shure that wil be your last number you get. just think 80.000lbs runing
you off the road

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
While I don't support people who threaten harm to others,
neither do I
respect the "I am going to tell the teacher" types.

It is the duty of every citizen to report crime when it is
witnessed!
There is no teacher here, just the American Justice system!

I answer to a much higher power first, then to my fellow citizens who ARE
the gov't--I answer to no one else... I am your best friend when you are in
trouble and seek someone to help you assure your unalienable rights--I
attempt to become your worst enemy if you are on the side of evil..

Regards

--
Hay, if'n ya'll cun't konstructivly partecipete in this disscusion, haw
aboot speel-checkin it fer me?


"Clarence_A" wrote in message
m...

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
While I don't support people who threaten harm to others,
neither do I
respect the "I am going to tell the teacher" types.

It is the duty of every citizen to report crime when it is
witnessed!
There is no teacher here, just the American Justice system!

On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 19:48:52 -0800, Justín Käse
wrote:

In posted on
Mon, 28 Mar 2005 03:30:37 GMT, Russ wrote:

Of course, as a ham, I also despise freebanders and hope they get
caught and fined - big time.

You'd rather them bootlegging in the ham bands?
Like a public toilet in the park, sure it's nasty, but better than
****ting everywhere, and some folk are gonna communicate no matter where
the end up doing it.

I've seen some non-sequitors in my time but this one is in the top
ten.

I'd rather they kept to the CB and 4 watts. I'd rather they didn't
use amps. I hope they get caught and fined out of business. I pray
that we as a nation can throw off the chains of corruption that have
us enslaved and I hope that the motor freight industry finally faces
traffic enforcement like all of the rest of us. The motor freight
industry is a waste of fuel and a hazard to other users of the public
roads.

Does that clarify my position?

Russ

Man, what a low level the education system in this country has
achieved. This shining example of public instruction has a webtv
account and possibly a CDL. No wonder my life is in danger every time
I drive on the highways. Amateur radio is a hobby, nothing more. I
don't know many hams who put it before the rest of their commitments.
There are the few, of course but most of us know better. Naturally,
the garbage heard on the CB is so uplifting, it's almost like church.

Russ

On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 21:39:27 -0600, wrote:

so what is more inportant in life not your hobby most people put there
radio hobby before,god and there family that is sad .they will drive all
night to go to a hamfest but when it comes time for a family event o i
cant make it heard it to many times on the radio waves.
so i guess the ups or fedex truck did not bring you that new hf rig so
next time you pick it up stop picking on truckers.

Excellent, uttering a terroristic threat in a public place. In some
states you may already have committed a crime.

You'll never know if I'm getting your tag number. All I need is your
line name and that big number on the box.

Russ

On Sun, 27 Mar 2005 21:56:52 -0600, (H J) wrote:

by the way if you wanna be a free trucker go with the best volvo lol i
will by a kw.or pete. next time i see you radio police cops
trying to get my tag number i may have to go to jail but i will make dam
shure that wil be your last number you get. just think 80.000lbs runing
you off the road

Clarence_A wrote:
It is the duty of every citizen to report crime when it is
witnessed!
There is no teacher here, just the American Justice system!

What level of crime does freebanding fall into?
Misdemeanor 1,2,3,4? Felony 1,2,3,4? I witness
speeding crimes every day. When I report them,
absolutely nothing happens.
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

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"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
...
Clarence_A wrote:
It is the duty of every citizen to report crime when it is
witnessed!
There is no teacher here, just the American Justice system!

What level of crime does freebanding fall into?
Misdemeanor 1,2,3,4? Felony 1,2,3,4? I witness
speeding crimes every day. When I report them,
absolutely nothing happens.
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

Fcc, and they do take their time prosecuting. But the fines are
going up so they may get more involved.