It is interesting that so many intend that you "design the world" then cause
the people to fit the design; this is 180 degrees of what really
happens--people bend the world to fit themselves.

For whatever reasons, some have seemed to have decided certain "rf space"
fits them and, they are no small number, the truckers!

While it might benefit some, if there were "radio police" to hunt down every
trucker with a 500+ watt linear, who would pay for this? Would hams accept
a 10000%+ increase in the cost of licenses to help fund such a force,
equipment and activities?

And, it is one thing to find a station running at a stationary
location--quite another when that station is mobile. However, those
enjoying such things would find one large and unending fox hunt--reminiscent
of the old "cops and robbers game" one played as a child!

Imprisoning citizens for simple infractions of rules which are causing no
one physical, monetary or real personal damage (i.e. amateurs are only being
deprived of sole benefit of bandwidth for their hobby use) is insane--you
have to wonder "what are these people thinking?"
One very good example of this, and could be viewed as a model of what would
happen if this were to occur might be "the war on drugs." We have waged
this war for 30+ years--there are more drugs on the streets than before we
began--and people are REALLY being harmed NOW as these criminals attempt to
gain the money to obtain the drugs we have made so expensive and, to escape
the penalties we have made so severe--INSANE! There is about the same
amount of cocaine in a coca plant as sugar in a sugar cane. I can walk into
a supermarket and buy 5 lbs of sugar for next to nothing! If that were
cocaine, it would probably get everyone in a major city high, maybe for
days! Since it is forced to the black market it most likely costs
millions!!! And, there seems an unlimited amount of addicts which will maim,
harm or even kill citizens to gain this drug--INSANE!

There was a time when one special group of a few individuals could be
allowed to think themselves "special" and allowed to run a unique "old boys
club." Times have changed. However, you are living in the past if you don't
see the handwriting on the wall and, think you will be able to oppose change
and evolution of the use of radio communications.

Some will personally attack me for pointing this all out-kill the messenger
bearing the bad news-WAKE UP! Look around, you are either part of the
problem or you are part of the solution...

When you are done acting like a child and throwing your temper
tantrums-perhaps you will see the problem is still there to deal with.



Regards

--
Hay, if'n ya'll cun't konstructivly partecipete in this disscusion, haw
aboot speel-checkin it fer me?


wrote in message
oups.com...
My post was simply a list of facts as they appear to me. The use of
communications to assist in the delivery of medicine, food, clothing,
building materials, etc. is of more importance than the use of airways
for
recreation.

That might mean something if they actually needed it, or didn't
have a legal choice. But they do. Regardless of feelings on the
matter, what they do is illegal, and could cause them considerable
negative cashflow if caught. Could also effect the ability to
legally obtain a license after such a conviction, the way things
have been going lately.

Since most would accept that the law of "...the greatest good for the
greatest number..." would apply, if push came to shove--the truckers
would
probably end up with the frequencies in question...

They have legal frequencies they can use. This is *exactly* what
the CB band was created for. They also have business band options,
the the family radio frequencies to chose from. Myself, I have a
simple solution that I impliment when I hear illegal truckers on
the CW portion of 10m. I fire up my henry console, and started
calling CQ right smack dab on top of them. Tends to ruin
their day...1+ kw of CW on 10m cuts holes like a plasma
cutter... I have no real problems with them using the
"freeband" under 28 mhz, as it's basically unused, although
legally, it is allocated to aircraft I believe... I'll
leave it up to the FCC to decide how they want to treat it.
As far as I know, they will prosecute, if they hear you
there. The "freebanders" have been there for so many years,
they have sorta of taken it over...
But if I catch them in *my* allocated frequency range,
I'm gonna put them on hold. They can try to talk,
but I'm going to make it as unpleasant for them,
as possible. It's called self policing. And that's
the way ham radio has basically been run for years.
If the truckers want to use 10m, more power to them,
but they better get a license first. And being it's
so easy these days, with CW being snails pace, even
for extra, there is *no* excuse not to have one.
They can use 2m, if they are too slow to learn CW.
So even CW is no excuse to break the law. MK

So what is wrong with operating in their assigned frequencies?




On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 07:48:50 -0800, "John Smith"
wrote:

It is interesting that so many intend that you "design the world" then cause
the people to fit the design; this is 180 degrees of what really
happens--people bend the world to fit themselves.

For whatever reasons, some have seemed to have decided certain "rf space"
fits them and, they are no small number, the truckers!

While it might benefit some, if there were "radio police" to hunt down every
trucker with a 500+ watt linear, who would pay for this? Would hams accept
a 10000%+ increase in the cost of licenses to help fund such a force,
equipment and activities?

And, it is one thing to find a station running at a stationary
location--quite another when that station is mobile. However, those
enjoying such things would find one large and unending fox hunt--reminiscent
of the old "cops and robbers game" one played as a child!

Imprisoning citizens for simple infractions of rules which are causing no
one physical, monetary or real personal damage (i.e. amateurs are only being
deprived of sole benefit of bandwidth for their hobby use) is insane--you
have to wonder "what are these people thinking?"
One very good example of this, and could be viewed as a model of what would
happen if this were to occur might be "the war on drugs." We have waged
this war for 30+ years--there are more drugs on the streets than before we
began--and people are REALLY being harmed NOW as these criminals attempt to
gain the money to obtain the drugs we have made so expensive and, to escape
the penalties we have made so severe--INSANE! There is about the same
amount of cocaine in a coca plant as sugar in a sugar cane. I can walk into
a supermarket and buy 5 lbs of sugar for next to nothing! If that were
cocaine, it would probably get everyone in a major city high, maybe for
days! Since it is forced to the black market it most likely costs
millions!!! And, there seems an unlimited amount of addicts which will maim,
harm or even kill citizens to gain this drug--INSANE!

There was a time when one special group of a few individuals could be
allowed to think themselves "special" and allowed to run a unique "old boys
club." Times have changed. However, you are living in the past if you don't
see the handwriting on the wall and, think you will be able to oppose change
and evolution of the use of radio communications.

Some will personally attack me for pointing this all out-kill the messenger
bearing the bad news-WAKE UP! Look around, you are either part of the
problem or you are part of the solution...

When you are done acting like a child and throwing your temper
tantrums-perhaps you will see the problem is still there to deal with.



Regards

--
73 for now
Buck
N4PGW

John Smith wrote:
It is interesting that so many intend that you "design the world"
then cause
the people to fit the design; this is 180 degrees of what really
happens--people bend the world to fit themselves.

This does not compute.

For whatever reasons, some have seemed to have decided certain "rf
space"
fits them and, they are no small number, the truckers!

This barely computes.

While it might benefit some, if there were "radio police" to hunt
down every
trucker with a 500+ watt linear, who would pay for this? Would hams
accept
a 10000%+ increase in the cost of licenses to help fund such a force,

equipment and activities?

Wouldn't be needed. Hell, I'll do my part to hunt 10 of those
rf spectrum grabbing scumbags for *free*!


And, it is one thing to find a station running at a stationary
location--quite another when that station is mobile. However, those
enjoying such things would find one large and unending fox
hunt--reminiscent
of the old "cops and robbers game" one played as a child!

For the FCC, finding them, even in motion *is* childs play.


Imprisoning citizens for simple infractions of rules which are
causing no
one physical, monetary or real personal damage (i.e. amateurs are
only being
deprived of sole benefit of bandwidth for their hobby use) is
insane--you
have to wonder "what are these people thinking?"


I have to wonder...What in the hell are *you* thinking....

One very good example of this, and could be viewed as a model of what
would
happen if this were to occur might be "the war on drugs." We have
waged
this war for 30+ years--there are more drugs on the streets than
before we
began--and people are REALLY being harmed NOW as these criminals
attempt to
gain the money to obtain the drugs we have made so expensive and, to
escape
the penalties we have made so severe--INSANE! There is about the
same
amount of cocaine in a coca plant as sugar in a sugar cane. I can
walk into
a supermarket and buy 5 lbs of sugar for next to nothing! If that
were
cocaine, it would probably get everyone in a major city high, maybe
for
days! Since it is forced to the black market it most likely costs
millions!!! And, there seems an unlimited amount of addicts which
will maim,
harm or even kill citizens to gain this drug--INSANE!

Insane is relative...

There was a time when one special group of a few individuals could be

allowed to think themselves "special" and allowed to run a unique
"old boys
club." Times have changed. However, you are living in the past if
you don't
see the handwriting on the wall and, think you will be able to oppose
change
and evolution of the use of radio communications.

I can oppose anything I want to. And my henry will back me up
on this.

Some will personally attack me for pointing this all out-kill the
messenger
bearing the bad news-WAKE UP! Look around, you are either part of the

problem or you are part of the solution...

Oh yea, I could hunt you down and kick your whiny little ass,
but what the hell good would it do....You would just whine more
and say I didn't do a good enough job.


When you are done acting like a child and throwing your temper
tantrums-perhaps you will see the problem is still there to deal
with.

Temper tantrums? At least I don't advocate illegal use of
radio spectrum.
I think I'm totally through talking to you about anything,
because my mama told me not to talk to people that have total
**** for brains... MK