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Richard Harrison wrote:
My original comment was in support of Arnold B. Bailey who said something about increasing antenna gain by 3 dB every time you double its size. Precisely, that`s not true, but I gave an example from Kraus where he did much the same thing. +3dB is a valid generalization, based on sound physics - but it is only a generalization. At the time those Grand Old Men were writing their textbooks, such generalizations were the best that anybody could manage. But they had no way of checking their accuracy - or more important, why and when they start to become INaccurate. 50 years on, we do have a way, and we now know much more than they did. That makes it very dangerous to quote those Grand Old Generalizations as accurate and universal truths. Richard was quite correct to describe the "+3dB rule" as "naive" - because, at today's level of knowledge, it is. But we still need to know that the +3dB generalization exists; and understand the fundamental reasons for it. That fundamental understanding is what protects us against stupid mistakes. -- 73 from Ian GM3SEK 'In Practice' columnist for RadCom (RSGB) http://www.ifwtech.co.uk/g3sek |
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"Ian White GM3SEK" wrote
Richard Harrison wrote: My original comment was in support of Arnold B. Bailey who said something about increasing antenna gain by 3 dB every time you double its size. Precisely, that`s not true, but I gave an example from Kraus where he did much the same thing. +3dB is a valid generalization, based on sound physics - but it is only a generalization. At the time those Grand Old Men were writing their textbooks, such generalizations were the best that anybody could manage. _______________ No doubt the 'GOM' knew the exact gain changes from successive doublings of an antenna aperture, or could calculate them if they wished to. The difference between the two isn't very important except when it is part of the equation to arrive at some legally required ERP, such as in commercial broadcasting. Below are the gains of a series of commercial FM broadcast transmit arrays to illustrate the point. The elements (bays) in these arrays all are one wavelength apart, and driven with equal power and phase. # Elements C-pol Gain (dBd) 1 -3.55 2 -0.21 4 3.09 8 6.34 Starting with the gain of the 1-bay and adding exactly 3 dB per doubled aperture in this example would result in 5.45 dBd gain for the 8-bay, meaning that FM ERP when using this approach would be more than 18% below its licensed value (illegal). RF |
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Richard Fry wrote:
"The elements (bays) in these arrays all are one wavelength apart, and driven with equal power and phase. # Elements C-pol Gain (dBd) 1 -3.55 2 -0.21 4 3.09 8 6.34" Bailey`s Table 10-I, which Richard Clark referred to as "naive", appears on page 484 of "TV and Other Receiving Antennas". The heading is Array Gain (approximate rule). Nunber( of Half-Wave Rods (N) and Numeric PowerRatio Gain (dB) 1 0 2 3 4 6 8 9 First difference from Richard Fry`s table is the loss of 3.55 dB as the result of circular polarization (mostly) as half of the power which a linearly polarized reference dipole would use is cross-polarized. The steps between doubling the number of elements in Richard Fry`s table are all nearly 3 dB. Bailey says "approximate rule". He is vindicated. Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI |
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"Richard Harrison" wrote
First difference from Richard Fry`s table is the loss of 3.55 dB as the result of circular polarization (mostly) as half of the power which a linearly polarized reference dipole would use is cross-polarized. That, and the fact that the radiation pattern from each element is not the pure cosine function assumed for a 1/2-wave dipole. It has slightly less gain peak gain. The steps between doubling the number of elements in Richard Fry`s table are all nearly 3 dB. "Nearly" is right, but the difference is not uniform for successive doubling of apertures. A small variation in the bay-bay spacing (departing from 1 wavelength) is needed as a function of the number of bays, to maximize the peak gain from this type of an array. The arrays in my table all have exactly 1-wavelength element spacing, and the peak gain from arrays of them is lower than expected for lower numbers of elements, and higher than expected for higher numbers of elements -- which stretches/compresses that nominal 3 dB delta. Fine points, to be sure. RF |
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I don't think that's a valid excuse. The 3 dB rule applies to phased
arrays only when mutual coupling is ignored or in a few special cases. Mutual coupling had to have been known at least at the time of the invention of the Yagi-Uda antenna in 1926, and probably long before that. It was being calculated for geometrically simple antennas at least as early as 1943 (cf. R. King, Proc. IRE). Work proceeded rapidly through the '40s, with papers describing increasingly accurate techniques with antennas of increasing complexity. We now have the means to calculate mutual coupling much more easily than before, and for geometries which were impossible to deal with before we had computers to do the work, but I don't think we've modified our understanding of the phenomenon for many decades (some notable antenna charlatans notwithstanding). Anyone measuring the gain of a short Yagi, the gain of which routinely exceeds 3 dB per doubling of elements by a considerable margin, must have become aware of the shortcoming of the 3 dB rule. I suspect that if we were to read the cited quotations very carefully, we'd see qualifications that explain neglecting mutual coupling. Roy Lewallen, W7EL Ian White GM3SEK wrote: +3dB is a valid generalization, based on sound physics - but it is only a generalization. At the time those Grand Old Men were writing their textbooks, such generalizations were the best that anybody could manage. But they had no way of checking their accuracy - or more important, why and when they start to become INaccurate. 50 years on, we do have a way, and we now know much more than they did. That makes it very dangerous to quote those Grand Old Generalizations as accurate and universal truths. Richard was quite correct to describe the "+3dB rule" as "naive" - because, at today's level of knowledge, it is. But we still need to know that the +3dB generalization exists; and understand the fundamental reasons for it. That fundamental understanding is what protects us against stupid mistakes. |
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Roy Lewallen, W7EL wrote:
"I don`t think that`s a valid excuse." That old authors were satisfied with approximations may have less to do with ignorance than with not having computers and programs to make analysis fast and easy. The computer gurus have done well. A seconndary effect of a paucity of computer power is a requirement for more measurements. As the title of this thread is:"Accuracy of Antenna Testing Ranges". measurement is still a concern. As one who was doing plenty of tests and measurements 50 years ago, I`d like to testify that if I could get 1-dB accuracy, I was satisfied. Bailey may not have thought that was good enough accuracy, but I think it was realistic for the period in the field. I`m sure the NBS did better. But for ordinary purposes. 1 dB is probably good enough for graphs and tables to be comparable in accuracy to the measurements you can make. Of course, everyone wants complete accuracy. Richard Fry`s and Arnold Bailey`s tables were within 1-dB. I think it`s satisfactory. Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI |
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Richard Harrison wrote:
1 dB is probably good enough for graphs and tables to be comparable in accuracy to the measurements you can make. Of course, everyone wants complete accuracy. I remember asking my college prof back in the '50's: How can we trust a graph where none of the measured values actually fall *on* the graph line? -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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