I have heard it given as, "speed of light times mu naught."

However, I have not examined proof of this, and actually, that is claimed to
be the impedance of space itself (a vacuum), "air" maybe slight different.
Anyway, I adopted it simply because it seems to be accepted--do a "google
search" with the search terms:
[ impedance either 377 ohms ]
You will either find your proofs there, or not....

Warmest regards,
John

"Bob Miller" wrote in message
...
| On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 22:07:51 -0700, "John Smith"
| wrote:
|
| My antenna seems to match the impedance of my transmission line (50 ohms)
to
| the impedance of the either (370 some-odd-ohms), isn't that a balun?
|
| Regards,
| John
|
|
| How did you compute the impedance of the "either"?
|
| bob
| k5qwg
|
|

Even if there were such a thing as the 'ether' (there isn't;
elecromagnetic
waves don't need a medium to propagate),

I dunno, but doesn't this bring up 'particle theory vs wave theory'
waves require a medium to propogate (I would think) - and -
particles can be shot across a medium-less void
Maybe this will all go back to the 'previous discussion' ain't no such thing
as heat
and no such thing as time - and therefore anything else defined by using
either of those terms do not exist either.

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
That is why "UnUn" is in the subject, "Unbalanced-to-Unbalanced."

Or, was that just me feeling a bit unbalanced with all this "antenna
theory?" grin

So are you saying that - in theory - that a balun (or un-un) (or lets just
say "An impedence matching device") can serve to propogate RF into the
'ether' (free space) ?
Did you try it out in practice - to see if it works ?
What's the impedence of 'ether' ? didn't you mention something around
300-400 ohms ? If so was that at all freqs?

or, some might interpret that last line, from the post above (We, being the
fishes "Gods", know better... ), to be, "We are no better than the fish!"
grin

Regards,
John

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
| Let me give a more understandable example of the above... (and yes, this
| DOES involve fantasy!)
| If a fish leaps out of water, after effortless traversing the water (such
as
| we do the air), it appears to the fish that air is "space", i.e., the
| absence of ALL matter... they, most likely, view us as "planetary bodies!"
| We, being the fishes "Gods", know better... grin
|
| Warmest regards,
| John
|
| "John Smith" wrote in message
| ...
|| Ahhh, you open up yet another can of worms here Cecil.
||
|| Most don't believe in "space" (darn commie buggers probably don't believe
| in
|| Santa Claus either!) and simply consider it the absence of ALL "matter."
|| However, I think it is now also generally accepted, all the matter in the
|| universe was/is "ripped" (big bang?) from the very fabric of
space--i.e.,
|| space existing in an "altered form."
|| Although, we effortlessly travel through it (in our "altered state of
|| being") it does have form and structure--simply one which is invisible
and
|| undetectable to us mere mortals...
||
|| Warmest regards,
|| John
||
||
|
|

I just am going on others work? beliefs? fantasies? as to the impedance of
space being 377 ohms, a google search will provide you with examples of the
material I viewed...
use the search terms:
[ "377 ohms" either site:edu ] == DO NOT include the square bracktes--it
will only return papers, docs, etc. from universities (site:edu does the
limiting, being interpreted by google as a command of, "Show me ONLY papers
from universities/"educational institutions"--and, NOTE the colon between
"site" and "edu".)

Yes, I am so bold and ignorant as that!!!

I am beginng to view "space" not as "nothing" but as real a conductor as
the feedline to my antenna--it being (space) a feedline completly
surrounding and physically connected to my antenna
(omnidirectional--balun/UnUn), and therefore conducting my rf away in an
omnidirectional pattern, unless I substitute a beam (or other "directional
antenna") which "blocks" or "impedes" this "contact" to the either in one or
more directions...

Why, do you think it is time (well, "time" is NOT real--so a silly question)
I should check in for a three-day mental observation?
grinning-like-a-damn-fool

Warmest regards,
John

"Hal Rosser" wrote in message
...
|
| "John Smith" wrote in message
| ...
| That is why "UnUn" is in the subject, "Unbalanced-to-Unbalanced."
|
| Or, was that just me feeling a bit unbalanced with all this "antenna
| theory?" grin
|
| So are you saying that - in theory - that a balun (or un-un) (or lets
just
| say "An impedence matching device") can serve to propogate RF into the
| 'ether' (free space) ?
| Did you try it out in practice - to see if it works ?
| What's the impedence of 'ether' ? didn't you mention something around
| 300-400 ohms ? If so was that at all freqs?
|
|

It is generally accepted that EM waves
cannot propagate outside of the universe precisely because
of the absence of any structure (medium). Our medium of
space is thought to have at least ten dimensions.
--
73, Cecil

==============================

Life forms which think can have any number of dimensions.
Physical size is unrestricted. From quantum size upwards.

They are as fully equipped to handle their environments as humans are
equipped to handle theirs. Otherwise they wouldn't be there.

There's no reason why thinking life forms should not be as large as
the Galaxies or even Groups of Galaxies.

Groups of Galaxies have more than one head. Inevitably they are
exceedingly slow thinkers when measured in our time scales.

On the other hand, they have the Whole of Eternity in which to solve
their problems, dragging us puny insignificant creatures along with
them for one short microscopic period.

As experienced on this tiny Earth, they appear to be suffering from
epileptic fits at this moment in time.

Elementary Statistics should be the 4th most important subject taught
in our schools after reading, writing and doing sums.

Kids should be able to estimate the probabilty of being run over by a
bus when they cross a busy street.

Hope you get the drift of my thoughts before returning to the TLI.
;o)
----
Reg, G4FGQ

Yes, "how big is your yardstick?"
Imagine this, "I am now holding out a "yardstick" three-feet long--on an
atom of the plastic, in the keyboard I am typing on, and, on an electron of
that atom and circling its nucleus, is my counterpart, holding out his
"yardstick"--which he believes is three-feet long...
or, wait, is that my male ego just saying, "Mine is bigger than
yours--Na-na-na-Na!" grin

Warmest regards,
John

"Reg Edwards" wrote in message
...
|
| It is generally accepted that EM waves
| cannot propagate outside of the universe precisely because
| of the absence of any structure (medium). Our medium of
| space is thought to have at least ten dimensions.
| --
| 73, Cecil
|
| ==============================
|
| Life forms which think can have any number of dimensions.
| Physical size is unrestricted. From quantum size upwards.
|
| They are as fully equipped to handle their environments as humans are
| equipped to handle theirs. Otherwise they wouldn't be there.
|
| There's no reason why thinking life forms should not be as large as
| the Galaxies or even Groups of Galaxies.
|
| Groups of Galaxies have more than one head. Inevitably they are
| exceedingly slow thinkers when measured in our time scales.
|
| On the other hand, they have the Whole of Eternity in which to solve
| their problems, dragging us puny insignificant creatures along with
| them for one short microscopic period.
|
| As experienced on this tiny Earth, they appear to be suffering from
| epileptic fits at this moment in time.
|
| Elementary Statistics should be the 4th most important subject taught
| in our schools after reading, writing and doing sums.
|
| Kids should be able to estimate the probabilty of being run over by a
| bus when they cross a busy street.
|
| Hope you get the drift of my thoughts before returning to the TLI.
| ;o)
| ----
| Reg, G4FGQ
|
|

....and, look at that guy over there, his yardstick is composed of whole
universes--now I am jealous!!!!

Warmest regards,
John

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
| Yes, "how big is your yardstick?"
| Imagine this, "I am now holding out a "yardstick" three-feet long--on an
| atom of the plastic, in the keyboard I am typing on, and, on an electron
of
| that atom and circling its nucleus, is my counterpart, holding out his
| "yardstick"--which he believes is three-feet long...
| or, wait, is that my male ego just saying, "Mine is bigger than
| yours--Na-na-na-Na!" grin
|
| Warmest regards,
| John
|
| "Reg Edwards" wrote in message
| ...
||
|| It is generally accepted that EM waves
|| cannot propagate outside of the universe precisely because
|| of the absence of any structure (medium). Our medium of
|| space is thought to have at least ten dimensions.
|| --
|| 73, Cecil
||
|| ==============================
||
|| Life forms which think can have any number of dimensions.
|| Physical size is unrestricted. From quantum size upwards.
||
|| They are as fully equipped to handle their environments as humans are
|| equipped to handle theirs. Otherwise they wouldn't be there.
||
|| There's no reason why thinking life forms should not be as large as
|| the Galaxies or even Groups of Galaxies.
||
|| Groups of Galaxies have more than one head. Inevitably they are
|| exceedingly slow thinkers when measured in our time scales.
||
|| On the other hand, they have the Whole of Eternity in which to solve
|| their problems, dragging us puny insignificant creatures along with
|| them for one short microscopic period.
||
|| As experienced on this tiny Earth, they appear to be suffering from
|| epileptic fits at this moment in time.
||
|| Elementary Statistics should be the 4th most important subject taught
|| in our schools after reading, writing and doing sums.
||
|| Kids should be able to estimate the probabilty of being run over by a
|| bus when they cross a busy street.
||
|| Hope you get the drift of my thoughts before returning to the TLI.
|| ;o)
|| ----
|| Reg, G4FGQ
||
||
|
|

.... and, I forgot to mention, this "blocking" or "Impeding" action exhibited
by the beam, also, caused the signal to be reflected in another direction...
.... much like an inductance seems a "resistance" at a specific radio
freq....
I mean, if "God" is going to get complicated about all of this--let's gear
up and show 'em what we got!!! grin

Warmest regards,
John
"John Smith" wrote in message
...
|I just am going on others work? beliefs? fantasies? as to the impedance of
| space being 377 ohms, a google search will provide you with examples of
the
| material I viewed...
| use the search terms:
| [ "377 ohms" either site:edu ] == DO NOT include the square bracktes--it
| will only return papers, docs, etc. from universities (site:edu does the
| limiting, being interpreted by google as a command of, "Show me ONLY
papers
| from universities/"educational institutions"--and, NOTE the colon between
| "site" and "edu".)
|
| Yes, I am so bold and ignorant as that!!!
|
| I am beginng to view "space" not as "nothing" but as real a conductor as
| the feedline to my antenna--it being (space) a feedline completly
| surrounding and physically connected to my antenna
| (omnidirectional--balun/UnUn), and therefore conducting my rf away in an
| omnidirectional pattern, unless I substitute a beam (or other "directional
| antenna") which "blocks" or "impedes" this "contact" to the either in one
or
| more directions...
|
| Why, do you think it is time (well, "time" is NOT real--so a silly
question)
| I should check in for a three-day mental observation?
| grinning-like-a-damn-fool
|
| Warmest regards,
| John
|
| "Hal Rosser" wrote in message
| ...
||
|| "John Smith" wrote in message
|| ...
|| That is why "UnUn" is in the subject, "Unbalanced-to-Unbalanced."
||
|| Or, was that just me feeling a bit unbalanced with all this "antenna
|| theory?" grin
||
|| So are you saying that - in theory - that a balun (or un-un) (or lets
| just
|| say "An impedence matching device") can serve to propogate RF into the
|| 'ether' (free space) ?
|| Did you try it out in practice - to see if it works ?
|| What's the impedence of 'ether' ? didn't you mention something around
|| 300-400 ohms ? If so was that at all freqs?
||
||
|
|

Cecil Moore wrote:
Tom Donaly wrote:

You forgot to include "it" in the "he (she)" nomenclature.


How do you think a contraction like "he****"
for he/she/it would go over?

Poorly.
73,
Tom Donaly, KA6RUH