Isn't my antenna a balun, or would that be UnUn?
 

My antenna seems to match the impedance of my transmission line (50 ohms) to
the impedance of the either (370 some-odd-ohms), isn't that a balun?

Regards,
John

Well, since no one answered my post, I think I am going to toss this darn
balun away and get a "real" antenna...

Trouble is, trying to find one which doesn't think it is a tuneable
balun!!!!

Regards,
John

On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 22:07:51 -0700, "John Smith"
wrote:

My antenna seems to match the impedance of my transmission line (50 ohms) to
the impedance of the either (370 some-odd-ohms), isn't that a balun?

Regards,
John


How did you compute the impedance of the "either"?

bob
k5qwg

"Balun" is a contraction for "balanced-to-unbalanced". It converts an
unbalanced drive source (such as a grounded coaxial feed) into a
differential drive drive source that is completely floating with respect to
ground or any other common point.

Even if there were such a thing as the 'ether' (there isn't; elecromagnetic
waves don't need a medium to propagate), your antenna would not be
classified as a 'balun' just because it transforms your electrical feed into
electromagnetic waves. It would more accurately be called a 'transducer'
because it transforms energy from one form (electrical) to another form
(electromagnetic). One of the characteristics of a transducer is that it has
input coupling properties as well as output coupling properties, so in this
respect part of your statement is sort of accurate - the part about
impedance matching.

Joe
W3JDR



"John Smith" wrote in message
...
My antenna seems to match the impedance of my transmission line (50 ohms)
to
the impedance of the either (370 some-odd-ohms), isn't that a balun?

Regards,
John

John Smith wrote:
My antenna seems to match the impedance of my transmission line (50 ohms) to
the impedance of the either (370 some-odd-ohms), isn't that a balun?

Is the Æther balanced or unbalanced? Maybe balanced in free
space and unbalanced on Earth?
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John Smith wrote:
Well, since no one answered my post, I think I am going to toss this darn
balun away and get a "real" antenna...

Trouble is, trying to find one which doesn't think it is a tuneable
balun!!!!

Hehe! Actually, John, I am posting to see if you could include a few
lines at least of the msg you are responding to.

I enjoy your posts, but I don't always know what they are about! 8^)


- Mike KB3EIA -

John Smith wrote:
Well, since no one answered my post, I think I am going to toss this darn
balun away and get a "real" antenna...

John, expecting an answer during the time from midnight to
1.5 hours later might be a tad delusional.
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W3JDR wrote:
Even if there were such a thing as the 'ether' (there isn't; elecromagnetic
waves don't need a medium to propagate), ...

Actually they do. It is generally accepted that EM waves
cannot propagate outside of the universe precisely because
of the absence of any structure (medium). Our medium of
space is thought to have at least ten dimensions.
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On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 08:28:23 -0500, Cecil Moore
wrote:

John Smith wrote:
Well, since no one answered my post, I think I am going to toss this darn
balun away and get a "real" antenna...

John, expecting an answer during the time from midnight to
1.5 hours later might be a tad delusional.

"John" always gets prompt responses to his (her) posts....even if he
(she) has to do it him(her)self.

That's why he (she) often doesn't include any quoted text. He (she)
knows what he (she) said, so why bother repeating him(her)self?

Wes Stewart wrote:
On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 08:28:23 -0500, Cecil Moore
wrote:


John Smith wrote:

Well, since no one answered my post, I think I am going to toss this darn
balun away and get a "real" antenna...

John, expecting an answer during the time from midnight to
1.5 hours later might be a tad delusional.


"John" always gets prompt responses to his (her) posts....even if he
(she) has to do it him(her)self.

That's why he (she) often doesn't include any quoted text. He (she)
knows what he (she) said, so why bother repeating him(her)self?


You forgot to include "it" in the "he (she)" nomenclature.
73,
Tom Donaly, KA6RUH

Tom Donaly wrote:
You forgot to include "it" in the "he (she)" nomenclature.

How do you think a contraction like "he****"
for he/she/it would go over?
--
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On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 08:38:48 -0500, Cecil Moore
wrote:
It is generally accepted that EM waves cannot propagate outside of the universe
must be a continuation of
On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 17:32:22 -0600, Cecil Moore wrote:
The aliens instructed me to deliver this knowledge to earthlings.

Well, yeah, you have a point Wes... slightly-embarassesd-grin

Regards,
John a-male-John (but, NOT to be confused with a lady-of-the-nights'
John!)

It would "smell" bad?

Regards,
John

I don't think it is that simple, I think every change causes complex
reactions--more than one varible starts moving on the map. For example, a
change which affects a "match", affects a reactance, affects apparent
impedance, etc. Too many times, at least a newbie like me, expects only one
varible to change--when in reality--it is "looking" like EVERYTHING is
moving!!!

And, I do suspect an ant can be "mentally modeled" as a balun--and
sucessfully delt with. I think current models are followed, mainly, because
of tradition--there are other ways to view this. "Impedance" looks a bit
like "time" to me.

But, right now that is just a "theory", but I will be playing around with
that idea...

Regards,
John

Richard was seen to write, "Being the High Pope of Esteemed ARRL Traditons,
I can reassure you ALIENS ARE NOT REAL!!!!" (well, something like that!)

grin

Warmest regards,
John

That is why "UnUn" is in the subject, "Unbalanced-to-Unbalanced."

Or, was that just me feeling a bit unbalanced with all this "antenna
theory?" grin

Warmest regards,
John

Ahhh, you open up yet another can of worms here Cecil.

Most don't believe in "space" (darn commie buggers probably don't believe in
Santa Claus either!) and simply consider it the absence of ALL "matter."
However, I think it is now also generally accepted, all the matter in the
universe was/is "ripped" (big bang?) from the very fabric of space--i.e.,
space existing in an "altered form."
Although, we effortlessly travel through it (in our "altered state of
being") it does have form and structure--simply one which is invisible and
undetectable to us mere mortals...

Warmest regards,
John

Mike:

Sorry. In another newsgroup, they were giveing me a bad time about "top
posting" (putting my text above the quoted text I am responding to.) So, I
shut down the feature all-together... I forgot to turn it back on after
having made the point...

Warmest regards,
John

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...
| John Smith wrote:
| Well, since no one answered my post, I think I am going to toss this
darn
| balun away and get a "real" antenna...
|
| Trouble is, trying to find one which doesn't think it is a tuneable
| balun!!!!
|
| Hehe! Actually, John, I am posting to see if you could include a few
| lines at least of the msg you are responding to.
|
| I enjoy your posts, but I don't always know what they are about! 8^)
|
|
| - Mike KB3EIA -

Let me give a more understandable example of the above... (and yes, this
DOES involve fantasy!)
If a fish leaps out of water, after effortless traversing the water (such as
we do the air), it appears to the fish that air is "space", i.e., the
absence of ALL matter... they, most likely, view us as "planetary bodies!"
We, being the fishes "Gods", know better... grin

Warmest regards,
John

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
| Ahhh, you open up yet another can of worms here Cecil.
|
| Most don't believe in "space" (darn commie buggers probably don't believe
in
| Santa Claus either!) and simply consider it the absence of ALL "matter."
| However, I think it is now also generally accepted, all the matter in the
| universe was/is "ripped" (big bang?) from the very fabric of space--i.e.,
| space existing in an "altered form."
| Although, we effortlessly travel through it (in our "altered state of
| being") it does have form and structure--simply one which is invisible and
| undetectable to us mere mortals...
|
| Warmest regards,
| John
|
|

I have heard it given as, "speed of light times mu naught."

However, I have not examined proof of this, and actually, that is claimed to
be the impedance of space itself (a vacuum), "air" maybe slight different.
Anyway, I adopted it simply because it seems to be accepted--do a "google
search" with the search terms:
[ impedance either 377 ohms ]
You will either find your proofs there, or not....

Warmest regards,
John

"Bob Miller" wrote in message
...
| On Fri, 29 Apr 2005 22:07:51 -0700, "John Smith"
| wrote:
|
| My antenna seems to match the impedance of my transmission line (50 ohms)
to
| the impedance of the either (370 some-odd-ohms), isn't that a balun?
|
| Regards,
| John
|
|
| How did you compute the impedance of the "either"?
|
| bob
| k5qwg
|
|

Even if there were such a thing as the 'ether' (there isn't;
elecromagnetic
waves don't need a medium to propagate),

I dunno, but doesn't this bring up 'particle theory vs wave theory'
waves require a medium to propogate (I would think) - and -
particles can be shot across a medium-less void
Maybe this will all go back to the 'previous discussion' ain't no such thing
as heat
and no such thing as time - and therefore anything else defined by using
either of those terms do not exist either.

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
That is why "UnUn" is in the subject, "Unbalanced-to-Unbalanced."

Or, was that just me feeling a bit unbalanced with all this "antenna
theory?" grin

So are you saying that - in theory - that a balun (or un-un) (or lets just
say "An impedence matching device") can serve to propogate RF into the
'ether' (free space) ?
Did you try it out in practice - to see if it works ?
What's the impedence of 'ether' ? didn't you mention something around
300-400 ohms ? If so was that at all freqs?

or, some might interpret that last line, from the post above (We, being the
fishes "Gods", know better... ), to be, "We are no better than the fish!"
grin

Regards,
John

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
| Let me give a more understandable example of the above... (and yes, this
| DOES involve fantasy!)
| If a fish leaps out of water, after effortless traversing the water (such
as
| we do the air), it appears to the fish that air is "space", i.e., the
| absence of ALL matter... they, most likely, view us as "planetary bodies!"
| We, being the fishes "Gods", know better... grin
|
| Warmest regards,
| John
|
| "John Smith" wrote in message
| ...
|| Ahhh, you open up yet another can of worms here Cecil.
||
|| Most don't believe in "space" (darn commie buggers probably don't believe
| in
|| Santa Claus either!) and simply consider it the absence of ALL "matter."
|| However, I think it is now also generally accepted, all the matter in the
|| universe was/is "ripped" (big bang?) from the very fabric of
space--i.e.,
|| space existing in an "altered form."
|| Although, we effortlessly travel through it (in our "altered state of
|| being") it does have form and structure--simply one which is invisible
and
|| undetectable to us mere mortals...
||
|| Warmest regards,
|| John
||
||
|
|

I just am going on others work? beliefs? fantasies? as to the impedance of
space being 377 ohms, a google search will provide you with examples of the
material I viewed...
use the search terms:
[ "377 ohms" either site:edu ] == DO NOT include the square bracktes--it
will only return papers, docs, etc. from universities (site:edu does the
limiting, being interpreted by google as a command of, "Show me ONLY papers
from universities/"educational institutions"--and, NOTE the colon between
"site" and "edu".)

Yes, I am so bold and ignorant as that!!!

I am beginng to view "space" not as "nothing" but as real a conductor as
the feedline to my antenna--it being (space) a feedline completly
surrounding and physically connected to my antenna
(omnidirectional--balun/UnUn), and therefore conducting my rf away in an
omnidirectional pattern, unless I substitute a beam (or other "directional
antenna") which "blocks" or "impedes" this "contact" to the either in one or
more directions...

Why, do you think it is time (well, "time" is NOT real--so a silly question)
I should check in for a three-day mental observation?
grinning-like-a-damn-fool

Warmest regards,
John

"Hal Rosser" wrote in message
...
|
| "John Smith" wrote in message
| ...
| That is why "UnUn" is in the subject, "Unbalanced-to-Unbalanced."
|
| Or, was that just me feeling a bit unbalanced with all this "antenna
| theory?" grin
|
| So are you saying that - in theory - that a balun (or un-un) (or lets
just
| say "An impedence matching device") can serve to propogate RF into the
| 'ether' (free space) ?
| Did you try it out in practice - to see if it works ?
| What's the impedence of 'ether' ? didn't you mention something around
| 300-400 ohms ? If so was that at all freqs?
|
|

It is generally accepted that EM waves
cannot propagate outside of the universe precisely because
of the absence of any structure (medium). Our medium of
space is thought to have at least ten dimensions.
--
73, Cecil

==============================

Life forms which think can have any number of dimensions.
Physical size is unrestricted. From quantum size upwards.

They are as fully equipped to handle their environments as humans are
equipped to handle theirs. Otherwise they wouldn't be there.

There's no reason why thinking life forms should not be as large as
the Galaxies or even Groups of Galaxies.

Groups of Galaxies have more than one head. Inevitably they are
exceedingly slow thinkers when measured in our time scales.

On the other hand, they have the Whole of Eternity in which to solve
their problems, dragging us puny insignificant creatures along with
them for one short microscopic period.

As experienced on this tiny Earth, they appear to be suffering from
epileptic fits at this moment in time.

Elementary Statistics should be the 4th most important subject taught
in our schools after reading, writing and doing sums.

Kids should be able to estimate the probabilty of being run over by a
bus when they cross a busy street.

Hope you get the drift of my thoughts before returning to the TLI.
;o)
----
Reg, G4FGQ

Yes, "how big is your yardstick?"
Imagine this, "I am now holding out a "yardstick" three-feet long--on an
atom of the plastic, in the keyboard I am typing on, and, on an electron of
that atom and circling its nucleus, is my counterpart, holding out his
"yardstick"--which he believes is three-feet long...
or, wait, is that my male ego just saying, "Mine is bigger than
yours--Na-na-na-Na!" grin

Warmest regards,
John

"Reg Edwards" wrote in message
...
|
| It is generally accepted that EM waves
| cannot propagate outside of the universe precisely because
| of the absence of any structure (medium). Our medium of
| space is thought to have at least ten dimensions.
| --
| 73, Cecil
|
| ==============================
|
| Life forms which think can have any number of dimensions.
| Physical size is unrestricted. From quantum size upwards.
|
| They are as fully equipped to handle their environments as humans are
| equipped to handle theirs. Otherwise they wouldn't be there.
|
| There's no reason why thinking life forms should not be as large as
| the Galaxies or even Groups of Galaxies.
|
| Groups of Galaxies have more than one head. Inevitably they are
| exceedingly slow thinkers when measured in our time scales.
|
| On the other hand, they have the Whole of Eternity in which to solve
| their problems, dragging us puny insignificant creatures along with
| them for one short microscopic period.
|
| As experienced on this tiny Earth, they appear to be suffering from
| epileptic fits at this moment in time.
|
| Elementary Statistics should be the 4th most important subject taught
| in our schools after reading, writing and doing sums.
|
| Kids should be able to estimate the probabilty of being run over by a
| bus when they cross a busy street.
|
| Hope you get the drift of my thoughts before returning to the TLI.
| ;o)
| ----
| Reg, G4FGQ
|
|

....and, look at that guy over there, his yardstick is composed of whole
universes--now I am jealous!!!!

Warmest regards,
John

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
| Yes, "how big is your yardstick?"
| Imagine this, "I am now holding out a "yardstick" three-feet long--on an
| atom of the plastic, in the keyboard I am typing on, and, on an electron
of
| that atom and circling its nucleus, is my counterpart, holding out his
| "yardstick"--which he believes is three-feet long...
| or, wait, is that my male ego just saying, "Mine is bigger than
| yours--Na-na-na-Na!" grin
|
| Warmest regards,
| John
|
| "Reg Edwards" wrote in message
| ...
||
|| It is generally accepted that EM waves
|| cannot propagate outside of the universe precisely because
|| of the absence of any structure (medium). Our medium of
|| space is thought to have at least ten dimensions.
|| --
|| 73, Cecil
||
|| ==============================
||
|| Life forms which think can have any number of dimensions.
|| Physical size is unrestricted. From quantum size upwards.
||
|| They are as fully equipped to handle their environments as humans are
|| equipped to handle theirs. Otherwise they wouldn't be there.
||
|| There's no reason why thinking life forms should not be as large as
|| the Galaxies or even Groups of Galaxies.
||
|| Groups of Galaxies have more than one head. Inevitably they are
|| exceedingly slow thinkers when measured in our time scales.
||
|| On the other hand, they have the Whole of Eternity in which to solve
|| their problems, dragging us puny insignificant creatures along with
|| them for one short microscopic period.
||
|| As experienced on this tiny Earth, they appear to be suffering from
|| epileptic fits at this moment in time.
||
|| Elementary Statistics should be the 4th most important subject taught
|| in our schools after reading, writing and doing sums.
||
|| Kids should be able to estimate the probabilty of being run over by a
|| bus when they cross a busy street.
||
|| Hope you get the drift of my thoughts before returning to the TLI.
|| ;o)
|| ----
|| Reg, G4FGQ
||
||
|
|

.... and, I forgot to mention, this "blocking" or "Impeding" action exhibited
by the beam, also, caused the signal to be reflected in another direction...
.... much like an inductance seems a "resistance" at a specific radio
freq....
I mean, if "God" is going to get complicated about all of this--let's gear
up and show 'em what we got!!! grin

Warmest regards,
John
"John Smith" wrote in message
...
|I just am going on others work? beliefs? fantasies? as to the impedance of
| space being 377 ohms, a google search will provide you with examples of
the
| material I viewed...
| use the search terms:
| [ "377 ohms" either site:edu ] == DO NOT include the square bracktes--it
| will only return papers, docs, etc. from universities (site:edu does the
| limiting, being interpreted by google as a command of, "Show me ONLY
papers
| from universities/"educational institutions"--and, NOTE the colon between
| "site" and "edu".)
|
| Yes, I am so bold and ignorant as that!!!
|
| I am beginng to view "space" not as "nothing" but as real a conductor as
| the feedline to my antenna--it being (space) a feedline completly
| surrounding and physically connected to my antenna
| (omnidirectional--balun/UnUn), and therefore conducting my rf away in an
| omnidirectional pattern, unless I substitute a beam (or other "directional
| antenna") which "blocks" or "impedes" this "contact" to the either in one
or
| more directions...
|
| Why, do you think it is time (well, "time" is NOT real--so a silly
question)
| I should check in for a three-day mental observation?
| grinning-like-a-damn-fool
|
| Warmest regards,
| John
|
| "Hal Rosser" wrote in message
| ...
||
|| "John Smith" wrote in message
|| ...
|| That is why "UnUn" is in the subject, "Unbalanced-to-Unbalanced."
||
|| Or, was that just me feeling a bit unbalanced with all this "antenna
|| theory?" grin
||
|| So are you saying that - in theory - that a balun (or un-un) (or lets
| just
|| say "An impedence matching device") can serve to propogate RF into the
|| 'ether' (free space) ?
|| Did you try it out in practice - to see if it works ?
|| What's the impedence of 'ether' ? didn't you mention something around
|| 300-400 ohms ? If so was that at all freqs?
||
||
|
|

Cecil Moore wrote:
Tom Donaly wrote:

You forgot to include "it" in the "he (she)" nomenclature.


How do you think a contraction like "he****"
for he/she/it would go over?

Poorly.
73,
Tom Donaly, KA6RUH

Richard Clark wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote:
It is generally accepted that EM waves cannot propagate outside of the universe

must be a continuation of

On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 17:32:22 -0600, Cecil Moore wrote:
The aliens instructed me to deliver this knowledge to earthlings.

Dear Richard, if you have some theory of how EM waves can
exit the universe, please present it.
--
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Well, I know you asked Richard....
But, I think there may be a way if we tear a hole in the "shielding."
Yanno, even if you can get a Klingon Warships'shielding weakened enough, ya
can get a photon torpedo through!!! innocent-look

Regards,
John

"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
...
| Richard Clark wrote:
| Cecil Moore wrote:
| It is generally accepted that EM waves cannot propagate outside of the
universe
|
| must be a continuation of
|
| On Wed, 03 Nov 2004 17:32:22 -0600, Cecil Moore
wrote:
| The aliens instructed me to deliver this knowledge to earthlings.
|
| Dear Richard, if you have some theory of how EM waves can
| exit the universe, please present it.
| --
| 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp
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Hey, keep up the top posting. I don't need to read the same message 27
times.

Tam/WB2TT

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Mike:

Sorry. In another newsgroup, they were giveing me a bad time about "top
posting" (putting my text above the quoted text I am responding to.) So,
I
shut down the feature all-together... I forgot to turn it back on after
having made the point...

Warmest regards,
John

"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
...
| John Smith wrote:
| Well, since no one answered my post, I think I am going to toss this
darn
| balun away and get a "real" antenna...
|
| Trouble is, trying to find one which doesn't think it is a tuneable
| balun!!!!
|
| Hehe! Actually, John, I am posting to see if you could include a few
| lines at least of the msg you are responding to.
|
| I enjoy your posts, but I don't always know what they are about! 8^)
|
|
| - Mike KB3EIA -

On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 16:00:56 -0500, Cecil Moore
wrote:
Dear Richard, if you have some theory of how EM waves can
exit the universe, please present it.
You related to Slarty Bartfast, Fjord Sculptor 3rd Class of Planetary
Engineering, Magrathea?

LOL!!! Well, you can't choose your family... grin

Warmest regards,
John

"Richard Clark" wrote in message
...
| On Sat, 30 Apr 2005 16:00:56 -0500, Cecil Moore
| wrote:
| Dear Richard, if you have some theory of how EM waves can
| exit the universe, please present it.
| You related to Slarty Bartfast, Fjord Sculptor 3rd Class of Planetary
| Engineering, Magrathea?

John Smith wrote:
I think there may be a way if we tear a hole in the "shielding."

Trouble is, we cannot locate the shielding. It's like
trying to get off the Earth by walking around.
--
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Cecil Moore wrote:

Tom Donaly wrote:

You forgot to include "it" in the "he (she)" nomenclature.


How do you think a contraction like "he****"
for he/she/it would go over?

HOWL!!!!

He****?


HOWL! Thanks Cecil, I needed that...

- Mike KB3EIA

John Smith wrote:

Mike:

Sorry. In another newsgroup, they were giveing me a bad time about "top
posting" (putting my text above the quoted text I am responding to.) So, I
shut down the feature all-together... I forgot to turn it back on after
having made the point...

Warmest regards,
John

Well Top posting isn't my favorite, but now I can see what is happening!

Post away! 8^)

- Mike KB3EIA -

I wanted to respond to this right away--your post... but was quite simply
unable.... (I literally spent time starring out a window!)
Realize that I have nothing but questions about the "end of the universe", I
think it is like that for us all, but, maybe not....
I suspect it to be a sphere, but you have seen the "mobius strip", it at
first looks quite innocently like a two dimensional object, on closer
examination, IT ONLY HAS ONE SIDE!!!!
The universe could very well be like that...
My mind spends a lot of time "out there" when I am slow to sleep....

I imagine most are scarred to speculate--others would probably mock their
efforts....

Any ideas, or models which you can find to build a "mental model" from?

Warmest regards,
John

"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
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| John Smith wrote:
| I think there may be a way if we tear a hole in the "shielding."
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| Trouble is, we cannot locate the shielding. It's like
| trying to get off the Earth by walking around.
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I have thought of this... don't laugh... but your thoughts are welcomed...

After the big bang, I am assuming (I know, that's bad) that somewhere, just
by the design of "probability laws", that a pulsar was able to form, rather
quickly (few billion years?)--and began emitting...

If so, why have we NOT heard a bounce from the "shielding" (end of the
universe)?

Is it constructed of radio absorbing material?

Does it "go" somewhere else?



Imagining-God-sitting-at-a-receiver-as-the-signals-reach-heaven-thinking,
"noisy little universe and creatures--ain't they?



Regards,
John

"John Smith" wrote in message
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|I wanted to respond to this right away--your post... but was quite simply
| unable.... (I literally spent time starring out a window!)
| Realize that I have nothing but questions about the "end of the universe",
I
| think it is like that for us all, but, maybe not....
| I suspect it to be a sphere, but you have seen the "mobius strip", it at
| first looks quite innocently like a two dimensional object, on closer
| examination, IT ONLY HAS ONE SIDE!!!!
| The universe could very well be like that...
| My mind spends a lot of time "out there" when I am slow to sleep....
|
| I imagine most are scarred to speculate--others would probably mock their
| efforts....
|
| Any ideas, or models which you can find to build a "mental model" from?
|
| Warmest regards,
| John
|
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|| John Smith wrote:
|| I think there may be a way if we tear a hole in the "shielding."
||
|| Trouble is, we cannot locate the shielding. It's like
|| trying to get off the Earth by walking around.
|| --
|| 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp
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