John Smith wrote:
"Kinda the 3rd world "family radio" (Ham VHF)."

CB is much more valiable than Amateur Radio because it can be legally
used for profit as well as for pleasure. FCC rules prohibit amateur
radio use in profitable pursuits.- It`s FCC protection for broadcasters,
common carriers, and other radio services.

Pubkic protection agencies make a business of preparedness for disaster
and give mostly lip-service to cooperation with hams. Amateur radio may
be competition for homeland protection. Professionals may not need
amateur help. You can`t pay amateurs to be ready, so you can`t order
them to do anything.

Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI

Richard:

I battle "tons" (at least it feels like that) of those who oppose my views
in the cb newsgroup(s)... I have not the energy to reopen that discussion
here... I must divorce myself from this thread--I support your right to your
opinion(s) and right to disagree--I always have... this thread goes in my
"bit bucket", I am weak and easily tempted yanno! grin

Warmest regards,
John

"Richard Harrison" wrote in message
...
| John Smith wrote:
| "Kinda the 3rd world "family radio" (Ham VHF)."
|
| CB is much more valiable than Amateur Radio because it can be legally
| used for profit as well as for pleasure. FCC rules prohibit amateur
| radio use in profitable pursuits.- It`s FCC protection for broadcasters,
| common carriers, and other radio services.
|
| Pubkic protection agencies make a business of preparedness for disaster
| and give mostly lip-service to cooperation with hams. Amateur radio may
| be competition for homeland protection. Professionals may not need
| amateur help. You can`t pay amateurs to be ready, so you can`t order
| them to do anything.
|
| Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI
|

Jerry wrote:
"But (CB) is simply not serious----."

CB and Amateur Radio are handled by the same FCC subdivision. A staffer
told me that the signals from each looked the same to him on the
spectrum analyzer.

Reliable performance comes from serious competition or from hire and
fire power over the participants.

Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI

Richard Harrison wrote:
CB and Amateur Radio are handled by the same FCC subdivision. A staffer
told me that the signals from each looked the same to him on the
spectrum analyzer.

They are not supposed to be the same amplitude. :-)
--
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Well, the amplitudes aren't equal!!!

Darn heathen CB'ers are not civilized enough to cut the 400+ watts back to
10 watts when that would suffice for the QSO--and that darn MIC GAIN!!!,
yanno, someone has got to talk to them about the virtues of speech
compression, but it does assist in finding them over a few Mhz (well, that
might be exaggerating!!!!! grin)

Warmest regards,
John

"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
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| Richard Harrison wrote:
| CB and Amateur Radio are handled by the same FCC subdivision. A staffer
| told me that the signals from each looked the same to him on the
| spectrum analyzer.
|
| They are not supposed to be the same amplitude. :-)
| --
| 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp
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None of it is upsetting me! LOL! I'm rather enjoying the entire thing.

J
"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Well, my appearance may indeed be one of a troll--except to myself...

But I can assure you, it is much worse a problem than that--I honestly
believe what I put to text!!! The arguments I have heard, to date, have
not
swayed me, much... indeed, I feel I am at a game, half root for one team,
half for another...



And, I broke that thread in question, away from another, where the whole
context of the discussion was beginning to center around "CB worship" as
opposed to "amateur worship", and it was quite obvious that hams were
"stirring chit" (my opinion only), because it is "funny" to take advantage
of a few petty people and bring a whole conversation to a halt--now that
is
MY interpretation of a "TROLL!"



Warmest regards,

John



"Jerry" wrote in message
...
|
| "Shadow998" wrote in message
| om...
|
|
| If we had a national emergency today, John and his "good buddies"
would
| step
| on each other and crank up their "leenyars" to the point they would
wipe
| out
| the nationwide 11 meter band with heterodyne. Wait---they already do
that
| on a daily basis.
|
| snip
|
| ..............kinda like treason, right? Giving aid and comfort to the
| enemy! LMAO!
|
| I can see it now: "Tan fer thar, we is a-standin' by thar to copy thar
'ere
| 'eee-mer-gen-cee' thar on 11 Meters thar, shore thang thar, gre't day
'live
| live, mercy sakes good buddy guaran-toled ye thar, kick hit back thar
wid
| that 'ere 'far' in th' war (wire), an' we just got down".(What the hell
is
| THAT anyway?) BEEEEEP SQUEEEEEEEK!
|
| (We got all them 'ere bird watts thar to git out 'ere wid)
|
| This whole thread is just hilarious! I am honestly enjoying it! LMAO!
The
| whole concept is just ludicrous. And the whole argument is an obvious
troll
| designed to get hams all worked up. But I have been reading it and
giggling
| all the while. So while I don my flame suit, forgive me while I snicker
and
| post equally silly comments. And something to think about.
|
| CB radio COULD be a good thing, that is true. However, it has no status
in
| the Federal scheme of things WRT disaster or wartime communications. It
is
| simply not taken seriously and I think the author of this thread knows
this-
| AND how to push buttons to get people riled up. Let's face it, guys,
it's
| reputation stems from the Smokey and the Bandit days and the 70's
| faddishness of CB that has fallen by the wayside. CB radio today has no
| structure, no organization, and no discipline, all of which would be
needed
| to provide worthwhile communications support to
| FEMA and gov't officials in the field. That could only take place if
CBers
| returned to some of the activities they once supported. National
| recognition of CB radio won't come overnight, if, indeed, it ever did.
But
| in order to reach such a goal, one would have to start small and at the
| local level. Organize clubs who raise funds for local charities and
provide
| communications and aid stations for
| walkathons and fundraisers. Form auxiliaries to rescue squads and fire
| departments. For example, during brush fires and large fire events and
| disasters, provide bottled water to firefighters and sandwiches.
Determine
| ways that CB clubs and auxiliaries can be of help--even if it doesn't
| necessarily mean you have a mike in your hand. Define objectives and
| purposes for your club. Make public affairs a part of your club so the
local
| paper knows what you are doing to help. Reach out to other nearby
cities
| and towns and get CBers in those towns to do what you are doing.
Community
| involvement doesn't HAVE to be
| radio-related, but it can certainly HELP as it forms a cohesive core
around
| which to serve the local community.
| Perhaps this will spread from just a few local clubs to a regional group
| with a newsletter with articles on how to help your community, then to
some
| sort of national organization that provides training in weatherspotting
| (NOAA) to radio procedures for handling radio messages and how to
support
| authorities and know their needs. Someone will have to have that vision
at
| some local level and it will have to spread from that grassroots level.
|
| As it is, CB radio is a ragtag, technologically hamstrung, untrained and
| undisciplined group that provides NO effective support. Period. That
is
| just a fact, Jack. It COULD be much more, but it has a lot of baggage to
| overcome. What was left after the 70's fad was the outlaw operator with
his
| "leenyar" and "extree" channels and disrespect for the law that is seen
by
| trained professionals AND the Amateur community as sort of a lowball
group
| of ruffians that are not to be taken seriously.
| How many CBers, dedicated and died-in-the-wool CBers, can legally and
| effectively talk directly to FEMA? From Virginia to California, from
| Colorado to Florida right NOW if something happened? They cannot.
*Certain*
| authorized Amateurs and MARS (ham) stations can. And their
communications
| fit right into the military style of voice protocol and both recognize
the
| information being passed. There are such stations scattered thru out
the
| USA. They are there to serve in time of need. I will say no more for
| obvious security reasons (frequencies, etc). When a message needs to
get
| into or out of New York right NOW, would CB radio do the job?
Absolutely
| not. Your 'leenyar" and "extree" channels would not help, indeed, your
| efforts would make things WORSE-not better. Hams whose tendencies lean
| towards volunteer service already train to do this job and, as such,
they
| are supported by the authorities and the Federal gov't with funds
| designated by the Dep't of Homeland Security to go to ARRL for that
purpose.
| (And, yes, I CAN find the link.)
|
| This whole troll thread is just another way to fuel the "war" of CB vs
Ham.
| This is not good. There is a right way to do something and a wrong way.
Ham
| radio already serves Nations and has for nearly 100 years. CB is a
| johnny-come-lately--even a wannabe--something that, yes, COULD be an
asset.
| But is simply not serious, nor is it now taken seriously to any extent.
It
| is a TOY that is technologically out of date and even could be said to
be
| irrelevant and obsolete. But as I have said in this long discourse, it
COULD
| be a great thing IF.................
| The "IF" is up to the users.
|
| Flame
on................................................ ...................
|
| J
|
|
|
|
|
|

CB is much more valiable than Amateur Radio because it can be legally
used for profit as well as for pleasure. FCC rules prohibit amateur
radio use in profitable pursuits.- It`s FCC protection for
broadcasters,
common carriers, and other radio services. .........

None of this matters in smaller third world nations though....Most
people
I see on TV, in say Iran, Afghanistan, africa, etc, etc, are using
VHF Handie talkies most of the time. I never see them using CB's,
although, I guess some do...But I've seen icom HT's on CNN, many
a time, when seeing video of people over there...I would think they are
working simplex...Most all soldiers I see with radios are using icoms,
etc...
I don't think CB is real popular, although maybe there are a few...
As far as I know, CB is mainly a USA conceived band...If others use it,

it's just cause they adopted it to use existing radios being built...
As far as the debate as which is better, to me it's a non issue...I can
use
either, or both...But to *me*, ham radio is much more useful than CB
could
ever think of being...Just the restriction of being in a small single
band is
enough to kill it, being as skip is only good about 50% of the
time...So,
yea, I could talk across town, but maybe nowhere else...With ham radio,

I can talk to nearly anyone, one way or the other, if they can match
bands
with me. Being able to work 160m-70cm with a single radio smokes
being able to work only 11m with a single radio... If we had a major
emergency, which for us in Houston, will almost certainly be a
hurricane,
I bet ham radio will be much more useful overall, just due to the shear
advantage of mucho more spectrum, and types of propagation.
And many locals on VHF are already into skywarn, etc...So 2m is a
natural for the hams locally...They are prepared for it.
But...
Having a CB would be better than nothing at all....I don't have the
problem
of looking down on CB...To me, it's just another band, under different
regs...I give them about as much thought as I do the cell phone band...
I might tune across 11m, maybe once every two months or so, when
checking cdx....It's actually usually fairly dead around here...For
that
reason, it could actually be fairly useful...Very few "average" people
have CB's like they used to...Most CB'ers now, are fairly hard core
CB'ers....And people that actually use them like truckers, and people
way out on ranches, etc....You go out in west texas, and there are
still
a few ranchers that use CB to yik yak...It's like their local party
line...
But myself, I prefer 80/40 meters for local/regional use...40 in the
day,
80 at night...Or 160 too....I could talk three blocks away, to
Galveston,
and relay to Austin, all on the same band as a scenario...CB....Three
blocks, yes...Galveston, hummmm....Not very well...Would need a good
antenna, and big leanyer...Austin...SOL, unless it's a fluke of
nature....
I know which line I'll be in.....BTW....Many truckers agree, and are on

80/40....They know what really works...Just most truckers don't have a
ham ticket...I think the numbers are increasing though...They can talk
to
their families anywhere on the road, if the YL, etc is a ham...
CB won't do that very often...Skip zone is too long, and it will always
be
a crapshoot for regional use. I use the bands that best match the path,

time of day. Way more reliable. I can get on 80/40 right now and talk
to
Dallas, or any other city in the country. Even from my truck.
No if's, ands, or but's....nearly as reliable as a telephone... In some
rare
cases, the MUF may drop way low, and 160 would be the better choice.
CB won't talk to Dallas from Houston very often at all...CB is CB. No
more,
no less...I suspect if "John Smith" actually has a ticket, it's no
code....And
no HF, unless maybe he has an old novice...I can't see a reason to
complain if he actually had use of those other bands. Only people who
have some kind of inferiority complex bark at the moon about something
as
trivial as CB vs Ham radio...Maybe we should develop a cb/ham therapy
course to deal with all the problems of coexistance. We could have them
at ham fests, etc...Hams and CB'ers could have group encounter sessions
to iron out their problems...Get all touchy feely, and hug each
other....
Of course, I won't be there....Sounds too gay to me....
MK

Mark, NM5K wrote:
"i use the bands that best match the path."

The medium more or less dictates that discipline for DX.

H-F has lost commercial traffic to cable and satellite which are
available around the clock and calendar. Even broadcasters have
satellite subscribers. They supply pictures too.. Yes, there`s amateur
TV, but it isn`t prevalent, and CBers don`t do it either.

Anyone who wants to contact the world anyplace at any time can get a
cell phone. The worldwide system will become compatible and pervasive.

Who wants to use Morse code?

Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI

Oranges to Apples
Two different services for entirely different folks.
Both have their merits and disadvantages.

--
CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be !

I DON'T want to post here!!! weakness-showing

Code? I use the computer keyboard and "code reader", it all happens on my
computer screen--kinda like a "chat room"--not so bad really--besides, no
one can read my key by ear anyway--I have NO music ability.... that guy on
"American Idol"--which everyone thought sung bad--I KINDA LIKED HIM!!!
innocent-look

Warmest regards,
John

"Richard Harrison" wrote in message
...
| Mark, NM5K wrote:
| "i use the bands that best match the path."
|
| The medium more or less dictates that discipline for DX.
|
| H-F has lost commercial traffic to cable and satellite which are
| available around the clock and calendar. Even broadcasters have
| satellite subscribers. They supply pictures too.. Yes, there`s amateur
| TV, but it isn`t prevalent, and CBers don`t do it either.
|
| Anyone who wants to contact the world anyplace at any time can get a
| cell phone. The worldwide system will become compatible and pervasive.
|
| Who wants to use Morse code?
|
| Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI
|