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Old May 4th 05, 05:51 AM
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I still have one CB radio that I keep operational. I turn it on to reaffirm
why I became a ham. In the early '70s, CB was still an honorable
communication means employed by many groups performing public services.
Most operators were considerate; the key word here is "were".

If we had a national emergency today, John and his "good buddies" would step
on each other and crank up their "leenyars" to the point they would wipe out
the nationwide 11 meter band with heterodyne. Wait---they already do that
on a daily basis.

Quite a number of truckers are now licensed hams--they need to be able to
communicate more than a mile or two.

I have good memories of my CB days, and I appreciate that it got me into ham
radio. Unfortunately, "Sewer Pit" is a realistic description for what it
has become in many areas--including mine.

Illegitimi non caborundum.

Russ



While debate and argument are good things and will help make it common
knowledge that the hams have their heads up their A$$'s--the facts

stated
above are simply too obivious to argue. However, if/when you do run

into
hams which cannot face the real world--perhaps it would be a kindness to
suggest a three-day observation in their local mental health

facility....



Regards,
John



John, What is your problem with hams?

Regards
Cory


He is just another cber too lazy to get a ham license so the best he can
do is attempt to slam ham operators. Ham radio out performs cb radio in
so many ways it makes cb look really pathetic, and the cbers have done
an excellent job themselves of making cb look pathetic by making 11
meters the sewer pit of the radio spectrum.



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Old May 4th 05, 06:13 AM
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shadow:

That is interesting.

I know men who instruct in colleges, are trusted with great secrets, who
run amateur, who run CB who I am very happy to have as friends...

Then:

I know men who instruct in colleges, are trusted with great secrets, who
run amateur, who run CB who I am better off for not having their company...

See, their differences lie in their character, and not in their position...
and in that light--I suspect you and commander buzz share the same....

Regards,
John

"Shadow998" wrote in message
om...
|I still have one CB radio that I keep operational. I turn it on to
reaffirm
| why I became a ham. In the early '70s, CB was still an honorable
| communication means employed by many groups performing public services.
| Most operators were considerate; the key word here is "were".
|
| If we had a national emergency today, John and his "good buddies" would
step
| on each other and crank up their "leenyars" to the point they would wipe
out
| the nationwide 11 meter band with heterodyne. Wait---they already do that
| on a daily basis.
|
| Quite a number of truckers are now licensed hams--they need to be able to
| communicate more than a mile or two.
|
| I have good memories of my CB days, and I appreciate that it got me into
ham
| radio. Unfortunately, "Sewer Pit" is a realistic description for what it
| has become in many areas--including mine.
|
| Illegitimi non caborundum.
|
| Russ
|
|
|
| While debate and argument are good things and will help make it common
| knowledge that the hams have their heads up their A$$'s--the facts
| stated
| above are simply too obivious to argue. However, if/when you do run
| into
| hams which cannot face the real world--perhaps it would be a kindness
to
| suggest a three-day observation in their local mental health
| facility....
|
|
|
| Regards,
| John
|
|
|
| John, What is your problem with hams?
|
| Regards
| Cory
|
|
| He is just another cber too lazy to get a ham license so the best he can
| do is attempt to slam ham operators. Ham radio out performs cb radio in
| so many ways it makes cb look really pathetic, and the cbers have done
| an excellent job themselves of making cb look pathetic by making 11
| meters the sewer pit of the radio spectrum.
|
|


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"Shadow998" wrote in message
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If we had a national emergency today, John and his "good buddies" would
step
on each other and crank up their "leenyars" to the point they would wipe
out
the nationwide 11 meter band with heterodyne. Wait---they already do that
on a daily basis.


snip

...............kinda like treason, right? Giving aid and comfort to the
enemy! LMAO!

I can see it now: "Tan fer thar, we is a-standin' by thar to copy thar 'ere
'eee-mer-gen-cee' thar on 11 Meters thar, shore thang thar, gre't day 'live
live, mercy sakes good buddy guaran-toled ye thar, kick hit back thar wid
that 'ere 'far' in th' war (wire), an' we just got down".(What the hell is
THAT anyway?) BEEEEEP SQUEEEEEEEK!

(We got all them 'ere bird watts thar to git out 'ere wid)

This whole thread is just hilarious! I am honestly enjoying it! LMAO! The
whole concept is just ludicrous. And the whole argument is an obvious troll
designed to get hams all worked up. But I have been reading it and giggling
all the while. So while I don my flame suit, forgive me while I snicker and
post equally silly comments. And something to think about.

CB radio COULD be a good thing, that is true. However, it has no status in
the Federal scheme of things WRT disaster or wartime communications. It is
simply not taken seriously and I think the author of this thread knows this-
AND how to push buttons to get people riled up. Let's face it, guys, it's
reputation stems from the Smokey and the Bandit days and the 70's
faddishness of CB that has fallen by the wayside. CB radio today has no
structure, no organization, and no discipline, all of which would be needed
to provide worthwhile communications support to
FEMA and gov't officials in the field. That could only take place if CBers
returned to some of the activities they once supported. National
recognition of CB radio won't come overnight, if, indeed, it ever did. But
in order to reach such a goal, one would have to start small and at the
local level. Organize clubs who raise funds for local charities and provide
communications and aid stations for
walkathons and fundraisers. Form auxiliaries to rescue squads and fire
departments. For example, during brush fires and large fire events and
disasters, provide bottled water to firefighters and sandwiches. Determine
ways that CB clubs and auxiliaries can be of help--even if it doesn't
necessarily mean you have a mike in your hand. Define objectives and
purposes for your club. Make public affairs a part of your club so the local
paper knows what you are doing to help. Reach out to other nearby cities
and towns and get CBers in those towns to do what you are doing. Community
involvement doesn't HAVE to be
radio-related, but it can certainly HELP as it forms a cohesive core around
which to serve the local community.
Perhaps this will spread from just a few local clubs to a regional group
with a newsletter with articles on how to help your community, then to some
sort of national organization that provides training in weatherspotting
(NOAA) to radio procedures for handling radio messages and how to support
authorities and know their needs. Someone will have to have that vision at
some local level and it will have to spread from that grassroots level.

As it is, CB radio is a ragtag, technologically hamstrung, untrained and
undisciplined group that provides NO effective support. Period. That is
just a fact, Jack. It COULD be much more, but it has a lot of baggage to
overcome. What was left after the 70's fad was the outlaw operator with his
"leenyar" and "extree" channels and disrespect for the law that is seen by
trained professionals AND the Amateur community as sort of a lowball group
of ruffians that are not to be taken seriously.
How many CBers, dedicated and died-in-the-wool CBers, can legally and
effectively talk directly to FEMA? From Virginia to California, from
Colorado to Florida right NOW if something happened? They cannot. *Certain*
authorized Amateurs and MARS (ham) stations can. And their communications
fit right into the military style of voice protocol and both recognize the
information being passed. There are such stations scattered thru out the
USA. They are there to serve in time of need. I will say no more for
obvious security reasons (frequencies, etc). When a message needs to get
into or out of New York right NOW, would CB radio do the job? Absolutely
not. Your 'leenyar" and "extree" channels would not help, indeed, your
efforts would make things WORSE-not better. Hams whose tendencies lean
towards volunteer service already train to do this job and, as such, they
are supported by the authorities and the Federal gov't with funds
designated by the Dep't of Homeland Security to go to ARRL for that purpose.
(And, yes, I CAN find the link.)

This whole troll thread is just another way to fuel the "war" of CB vs Ham.
This is not good. There is a right way to do something and a wrong way. Ham
radio already serves Nations and has for nearly 100 years. CB is a
johnny-come-lately--even a wannabe--something that, yes, COULD be an asset.
But is simply not serious, nor is it now taken seriously to any extent. It
is a TOY that is technologically out of date and even could be said to be
irrelevant and obsolete. But as I have said in this long discourse, it COULD
be a great thing IF.................
The "IF" is up to the users.

Flame on................................................ ...................

J






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Old May 4th 05, 06:59 PM
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Well, my appearance may indeed be one of a troll--except to myself...

But I can assure you, it is much worse a problem than that--I honestly
believe what I put to text!!! The arguments I have heard, to date, have not
swayed me, much... indeed, I feel I am at a game, half root for one team,
half for another...



And, I broke that thread in question, away from another, where the whole
context of the discussion was beginning to center around "CB worship" as
opposed to "amateur worship", and it was quite obvious that hams were
"stirring chit" (my opinion only), because it is "funny" to take advantage
of a few petty people and bring a whole conversation to a halt--now that is
MY interpretation of a "TROLL!"



Warmest regards,

John



"Jerry" wrote in message
...
|
| "Shadow998" wrote in message
| om...
|
|
| If we had a national emergency today, John and his "good buddies" would
| step
| on each other and crank up their "leenyars" to the point they would wipe
| out
| the nationwide 11 meter band with heterodyne. Wait---they already do
that
| on a daily basis.
|
| snip
|
| ..............kinda like treason, right? Giving aid and comfort to the
| enemy! LMAO!
|
| I can see it now: "Tan fer thar, we is a-standin' by thar to copy thar
'ere
| 'eee-mer-gen-cee' thar on 11 Meters thar, shore thang thar, gre't day
'live
| live, mercy sakes good buddy guaran-toled ye thar, kick hit back thar wid
| that 'ere 'far' in th' war (wire), an' we just got down".(What the hell is
| THAT anyway?) BEEEEEP SQUEEEEEEEK!
|
| (We got all them 'ere bird watts thar to git out 'ere wid)
|
| This whole thread is just hilarious! I am honestly enjoying it! LMAO! The
| whole concept is just ludicrous. And the whole argument is an obvious
troll
| designed to get hams all worked up. But I have been reading it and
giggling
| all the while. So while I don my flame suit, forgive me while I snicker
and
| post equally silly comments. And something to think about.
|
| CB radio COULD be a good thing, that is true. However, it has no status in
| the Federal scheme of things WRT disaster or wartime communications. It is
| simply not taken seriously and I think the author of this thread knows
this-
| AND how to push buttons to get people riled up. Let's face it, guys, it's
| reputation stems from the Smokey and the Bandit days and the 70's
| faddishness of CB that has fallen by the wayside. CB radio today has no
| structure, no organization, and no discipline, all of which would be
needed
| to provide worthwhile communications support to
| FEMA and gov't officials in the field. That could only take place if
CBers
| returned to some of the activities they once supported. National
| recognition of CB radio won't come overnight, if, indeed, it ever did. But
| in order to reach such a goal, one would have to start small and at the
| local level. Organize clubs who raise funds for local charities and
provide
| communications and aid stations for
| walkathons and fundraisers. Form auxiliaries to rescue squads and fire
| departments. For example, during brush fires and large fire events and
| disasters, provide bottled water to firefighters and sandwiches. Determine
| ways that CB clubs and auxiliaries can be of help--even if it doesn't
| necessarily mean you have a mike in your hand. Define objectives and
| purposes for your club. Make public affairs a part of your club so the
local
| paper knows what you are doing to help. Reach out to other nearby cities
| and towns and get CBers in those towns to do what you are doing.
Community
| involvement doesn't HAVE to be
| radio-related, but it can certainly HELP as it forms a cohesive core
around
| which to serve the local community.
| Perhaps this will spread from just a few local clubs to a regional group
| with a newsletter with articles on how to help your community, then to
some
| sort of national organization that provides training in weatherspotting
| (NOAA) to radio procedures for handling radio messages and how to support
| authorities and know their needs. Someone will have to have that vision at
| some local level and it will have to spread from that grassroots level.
|
| As it is, CB radio is a ragtag, technologically hamstrung, untrained and
| undisciplined group that provides NO effective support. Period. That is
| just a fact, Jack. It COULD be much more, but it has a lot of baggage to
| overcome. What was left after the 70's fad was the outlaw operator with
his
| "leenyar" and "extree" channels and disrespect for the law that is seen by
| trained professionals AND the Amateur community as sort of a lowball
group
| of ruffians that are not to be taken seriously.
| How many CBers, dedicated and died-in-the-wool CBers, can legally and
| effectively talk directly to FEMA? From Virginia to California, from
| Colorado to Florida right NOW if something happened? They cannot.
*Certain*
| authorized Amateurs and MARS (ham) stations can. And their communications
| fit right into the military style of voice protocol and both recognize the
| information being passed. There are such stations scattered thru out the
| USA. They are there to serve in time of need. I will say no more for
| obvious security reasons (frequencies, etc). When a message needs to get
| into or out of New York right NOW, would CB radio do the job? Absolutely
| not. Your 'leenyar" and "extree" channels would not help, indeed, your
| efforts would make things WORSE-not better. Hams whose tendencies lean
| towards volunteer service already train to do this job and, as such, they
| are supported by the authorities and the Federal gov't with funds
| designated by the Dep't of Homeland Security to go to ARRL for that
purpose.
| (And, yes, I CAN find the link.)
|
| This whole troll thread is just another way to fuel the "war" of CB vs
Ham.
| This is not good. There is a right way to do something and a wrong way.
Ham
| radio already serves Nations and has for nearly 100 years. CB is a
| johnny-come-lately--even a wannabe--something that, yes, COULD be an
asset.
| But is simply not serious, nor is it now taken seriously to any extent. It
| is a TOY that is technologically out of date and even could be said to be
| irrelevant and obsolete. But as I have said in this long discourse, it
COULD
| be a great thing IF.................
| The "IF" is up to the users.
|
| Flame
on................................................ ...................
|
| J
|
|
|
|
|
|


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Old May 5th 05, 02:44 AM
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None of it is upsetting me! LOL! I'm rather enjoying the entire thing.

J
"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Well, my appearance may indeed be one of a troll--except to myself...

But I can assure you, it is much worse a problem than that--I honestly
believe what I put to text!!! The arguments I have heard, to date, have
not
swayed me, much... indeed, I feel I am at a game, half root for one team,
half for another...



And, I broke that thread in question, away from another, where the whole
context of the discussion was beginning to center around "CB worship" as
opposed to "amateur worship", and it was quite obvious that hams were
"stirring chit" (my opinion only), because it is "funny" to take advantage
of a few petty people and bring a whole conversation to a halt--now that
is
MY interpretation of a "TROLL!"



Warmest regards,

John



"Jerry" wrote in message
...
|
| "Shadow998" wrote in message
| om...
|
|
| If we had a national emergency today, John and his "good buddies"
would
| step
| on each other and crank up their "leenyars" to the point they would
wipe
| out
| the nationwide 11 meter band with heterodyne. Wait---they already do
that
| on a daily basis.
|
| snip
|
| ..............kinda like treason, right? Giving aid and comfort to the
| enemy! LMAO!
|
| I can see it now: "Tan fer thar, we is a-standin' by thar to copy thar
'ere
| 'eee-mer-gen-cee' thar on 11 Meters thar, shore thang thar, gre't day
'live
| live, mercy sakes good buddy guaran-toled ye thar, kick hit back thar
wid
| that 'ere 'far' in th' war (wire), an' we just got down".(What the hell
is
| THAT anyway?) BEEEEEP SQUEEEEEEEK!
|
| (We got all them 'ere bird watts thar to git out 'ere wid)
|
| This whole thread is just hilarious! I am honestly enjoying it! LMAO!
The
| whole concept is just ludicrous. And the whole argument is an obvious
troll
| designed to get hams all worked up. But I have been reading it and
giggling
| all the while. So while I don my flame suit, forgive me while I snicker
and
| post equally silly comments. And something to think about.
|
| CB radio COULD be a good thing, that is true. However, it has no status
in
| the Federal scheme of things WRT disaster or wartime communications. It
is
| simply not taken seriously and I think the author of this thread knows
this-
| AND how to push buttons to get people riled up. Let's face it, guys,
it's
| reputation stems from the Smokey and the Bandit days and the 70's
| faddishness of CB that has fallen by the wayside. CB radio today has no
| structure, no organization, and no discipline, all of which would be
needed
| to provide worthwhile communications support to
| FEMA and gov't officials in the field. That could only take place if
CBers
| returned to some of the activities they once supported. National
| recognition of CB radio won't come overnight, if, indeed, it ever did.
But
| in order to reach such a goal, one would have to start small and at the
| local level. Organize clubs who raise funds for local charities and
provide
| communications and aid stations for
| walkathons and fundraisers. Form auxiliaries to rescue squads and fire
| departments. For example, during brush fires and large fire events and
| disasters, provide bottled water to firefighters and sandwiches.
Determine
| ways that CB clubs and auxiliaries can be of help--even if it doesn't
| necessarily mean you have a mike in your hand. Define objectives and
| purposes for your club. Make public affairs a part of your club so the
local
| paper knows what you are doing to help. Reach out to other nearby
cities
| and towns and get CBers in those towns to do what you are doing.
Community
| involvement doesn't HAVE to be
| radio-related, but it can certainly HELP as it forms a cohesive core
around
| which to serve the local community.
| Perhaps this will spread from just a few local clubs to a regional group
| with a newsletter with articles on how to help your community, then to
some
| sort of national organization that provides training in weatherspotting
| (NOAA) to radio procedures for handling radio messages and how to
support
| authorities and know their needs. Someone will have to have that vision
at
| some local level and it will have to spread from that grassroots level.
|
| As it is, CB radio is a ragtag, technologically hamstrung, untrained and
| undisciplined group that provides NO effective support. Period. That
is
| just a fact, Jack. It COULD be much more, but it has a lot of baggage to
| overcome. What was left after the 70's fad was the outlaw operator with
his
| "leenyar" and "extree" channels and disrespect for the law that is seen
by
| trained professionals AND the Amateur community as sort of a lowball
group
| of ruffians that are not to be taken seriously.
| How many CBers, dedicated and died-in-the-wool CBers, can legally and
| effectively talk directly to FEMA? From Virginia to California, from
| Colorado to Florida right NOW if something happened? They cannot.
*Certain*
| authorized Amateurs and MARS (ham) stations can. And their
communications
| fit right into the military style of voice protocol and both recognize
the
| information being passed. There are such stations scattered thru out
the
| USA. They are there to serve in time of need. I will say no more for
| obvious security reasons (frequencies, etc). When a message needs to
get
| into or out of New York right NOW, would CB radio do the job?
Absolutely
| not. Your 'leenyar" and "extree" channels would not help, indeed, your
| efforts would make things WORSE-not better. Hams whose tendencies lean
| towards volunteer service already train to do this job and, as such,
they
| are supported by the authorities and the Federal gov't with funds
| designated by the Dep't of Homeland Security to go to ARRL for that
purpose.
| (And, yes, I CAN find the link.)
|
| This whole troll thread is just another way to fuel the "war" of CB vs
Ham.
| This is not good. There is a right way to do something and a wrong way.
Ham
| radio already serves Nations and has for nearly 100 years. CB is a
| johnny-come-lately--even a wannabe--something that, yes, COULD be an
asset.
| But is simply not serious, nor is it now taken seriously to any extent.
It
| is a TOY that is technologically out of date and even could be said to
be
| irrelevant and obsolete. But as I have said in this long discourse, it
COULD
| be a great thing IF.................
| The "IF" is up to the users.
|
| Flame
on................................................ ...................
|
| J
|
|
|
|
|
|






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Old May 4th 05, 08:27 PM
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Jerry wrote:
"But (CB) is simply not serious----."

CB and Amateur Radio are handled by the same FCC subdivision. A staffer
told me that the signals from each looked the same to him on the
spectrum analyzer.

Reliable performance comes from serious competition or from hire and
fire power over the participants.

Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI

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Richard Harrison wrote:
CB and Amateur Radio are handled by the same FCC subdivision. A staffer
told me that the signals from each looked the same to him on the
spectrum analyzer.


They are not supposed to be the same amplitude. :-)
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Well, the amplitudes aren't equal!!!

Darn heathen CB'ers are not civilized enough to cut the 400+ watts back to
10 watts when that would suffice for the QSO--and that darn MIC GAIN!!!,
yanno, someone has got to talk to them about the virtues of speech
compression, but it does assist in finding them over a few Mhz (well, that
might be exaggerating!!!!! grin)

Warmest regards,
John

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| Richard Harrison wrote:
| CB and Amateur Radio are handled by the same FCC subdivision. A staffer
| told me that the signals from each looked the same to him on the
| spectrum analyzer.
|
| They are not supposed to be the same amplitude. :-)
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Oranges to Apples
Two different services for entirely different folks.
Both have their merits and disadvantages.

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Well, I certainly can agree with your point, it is well taken here and a
logical view...
However, you failed to mention those like me; with my "split-personality"
BOTH appeal to me! grin

Warmest regards,
John

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