Dave:

Are you familiar with microsoft reader... it reads ebooks in something of a
"paperback style."

Not familiar with it, don't really care to be. I have a policy of
avoiding the use of Microsoft software on my systems except when no
decent alternative exists.

I am not sure if there is a counterpart in the Linux
world...

Adobe Acrobat Reader has a "continuous, facing" display option - pairs
of pages side by side - which I suspect is close to the "paperback
style" to which you refer. Works fine with the PDFs I'm distributing.

are you dual boot?

No, I don't trust that mode, for a couple of reasons. Some M$
operating systems are known to rather aggressively overwrite or
destroy other OS's partitions or boot blocks, sometimes without asking
or warning. And, given all of the security exploits against Windows
and Explorer and etc. floating around, I feel safer not allowing
Windows to have direct access to my hardware.

I do occasionally run Windows (usually Win98) in a VmWare virtual
machine, with a virtualized hard drive, for things like tax software,
ham-radio programming utilities, etc.. That way, it's running safely
in user mode, can't get to the real hardware, and I can wipe it and
start over from a checkpoint save without affecting the rest of my
system.

--
Dave Platt AE6EO
Hosting the Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior
I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will
boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads!

Ahhhh, a "Linux Warrior" serving in the Linux Army seeking world conquest...

Probably about 90%+ (at the very least 80%) of all computer users are
windows based... I simply think of the biggest audience (greatest
good-greatest number, America used to be like that--I miss it...)

I go between Linux and Windows as necessary, my recreation machine is
Slackware based (mp3s, movies, personal coding, etc...) ... Mac I avoid
(but, they can run Linux)... those guys (Mac'ers) are worse then Bill when
it comes to proprietary rights and control...

..pdf is great, but huge...

I thought you were more interested in the free sharing of info than fighting
operating system wars... nothing wrong with either... both serve a
purpose--but best done one at a time...

Warmest regards,
John

"Dave Platt" wrote in message
...
Dave:

Are you familiar with microsoft reader... it reads ebooks in something of
a
"paperback style."

Not familiar with it, don't really care to be. I have a policy of
avoiding the use of Microsoft software on my systems except when no
decent alternative exists.

I am not sure if there is a counterpart in the Linux
world...

Adobe Acrobat Reader has a "continuous, facing" display option - pairs
of pages side by side - which I suspect is close to the "paperback
style" to which you refer. Works fine with the PDFs I'm distributing.

are you dual boot?

No, I don't trust that mode, for a couple of reasons. Some M$
operating systems are known to rather aggressively overwrite or
destroy other OS's partitions or boot blocks, sometimes without asking
or warning. And, given all of the security exploits against Windows
and Explorer and etc. floating around, I feel safer not allowing
Windows to have direct access to my hardware.

I do occasionally run Windows (usually Win98) in a VmWare virtual
machine, with a virtualized hard drive, for things like tax software,
ham-radio programming utilities, etc.. That way, it's running safely
in user mode, can't get to the real hardware, and I can wipe it and
start over from a checkpoint save without affecting the rest of my
system.

--
Dave Platt AE6EO
Hosting the Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior
I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will
boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads!

In article ,
John Smith wrote:

Ahhhh, a "Linux Warrior" serving in the Linux Army seeking world conquest...

You might consider being a bit less quick to toss off those
stereotypes, John. They can blind you more than they illuminate.

Probably about 90%+ (at the very least 80%) of all computer users are
windows based... I simply think of the biggest audience (greatest
good-greatest number, America used to be like that--I miss it...)

.... and all of those Windows users can, if they choose, view PDF
documents. "Portable", y'know? The Adobe software is free, and works
fine.

What I'm not particularly interested in doing, is creating a
non-portable (Windows-specific) version. Why restrict the usability?

If you want to do so, go right ahead... as long as you comply with the
simple "noncommercial, share and share alike" copyright terms on the
PDF, you can create a further derivative work to suit yourself.

I'll be curious how many tens, or hundreds of hours of work it takes
to develop a suitably-high-quality textual representation of this
book. Do let us know!

I go between Linux and Windows as necessary, my recreation machine is
Slackware based (mp3s, movies, personal coding, etc...) ... Mac I avoid
(but, they can run Linux)... those guys (Mac'ers) are worse then Bill when
it comes to proprietary rights and control...

And that's pretty much why I stopped using (and developing software)
for my Mac, put it into retirement, and switched to Linux. (Could
have been a *BSD derivative, but there was a big two- or three-way war
going on within the *BSD camp at the time).

.pdf is great, but huge...

By today's standards?

I thought you were more interested in the free sharing of info than fighting
operating system wars...

I am. You raised the subject, and I simply answered the question to
explain why I'm not personally interested in doing what you want.

I've done what I set out to do - get this work back into public
availability, in a useful form. If that form does not suit your
desires, that's your issue, not mine, and you're free to correct the
situation.

--
Dave Platt AE6EO
Hosting the Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior
I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will
boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads!

Dave, I said an excellent contribution on your part--few will do as much,
here I just repeat what I have already said...

Nothing wrong with .pdf, except it is too large... and in the case of all
graphic content--not text searchable... .lit just gets things a bit more
right, the format is easier to read, and it provides "text to speech", it
will read the book in audio for you--even the visually handicapped can
"read" it... and it is all free to make and read... (well, you have to have
MS Word access)

I have access to a scanner which, if the back rib is cut off a book, and
pages freed, scan a whole thick book in minutes--I have hand scanned books
on my home scanner, a high speed scsi HP, and it does take a bit of time and
effort--I am sure you did the same with the book you are speaking of, and
know well that task... on a fast computer, conversion of a page by fine
reader is seconds... it really just depends on how good the scanned images
are... much less than 5 secs a page for good quality--scanned images...

I was hoping the "bookworms" on Linux would have come up with a compatible
reader for Linux for .lit--I haven't searched--but is an excellent format to
just ignore for petty battles--however, MSs' rights on it may make this
impossible...

However, there are other routes to take too, one is .html, all platforms can
read it and there are ebook creation tools which create to this format (pics
can still be .jpeg's)--and can be read with any browser, ms word, the
freeware star office for linux, html editors, etc...

We live in the land of computers--no task is impossible--many roads all lead
to the same destination(s)... a good broad picture of what is available is
good to have... I am sure I have not been able to find all which is
available... still got the eyes open...

The ONLY "fault" I was finding is the size... download time... storage on
disk (forget floppies, fill up a zip disk, cdrom quick with books that size,
etc)...

I did not intend for you to see my comments as a "slur", rather I respect
your work and your contribution... and like I said on my first post here,
THANKS!!!

I think "Linux Warrior" is accurate... even your post I respond to here
seems to mention and reinforce your commitment to Linux... no big deal...
the corp. I work for does work in both Windows/Linux, I don't have an option
to ignore one or the other, I have no real problems with Windows XP,
Microsoft finally started doing something right... I came from the
commandline prompt in UNIX, then to DOS... was shocked when Linux went
GUI... but got used to it quickly...

Nothing wrong with Linux Warriors... one of my best friends is a general in
the army...grin I just think of myself as living in a "neutral country"
(like Sweden) when it comes to religious and political commitments to an
OS...

Warmest regards,
John

"Dave Platt" wrote in message
...
In article ,
John Smith wrote:

Ahhhh, a "Linux Warrior" serving in the Linux Army seeking world
conquest...

You might consider being a bit less quick to toss off those
stereotypes, John. They can blind you more than they illuminate.

Probably about 90%+ (at the very least 80%) of all computer users are
windows based... I simply think of the biggest audience (greatest
good-greatest number, America used to be like that--I miss it...)

... and all of those Windows users can, if they choose, view PDF
documents. "Portable", y'know? The Adobe software is free, and works
fine.

What I'm not particularly interested in doing, is creating a
non-portable (Windows-specific) version. Why restrict the usability?

If you want to do so, go right ahead... as long as you comply with the
simple "noncommercial, share and share alike" copyright terms on the
PDF, you can create a further derivative work to suit yourself.

I'll be curious how many tens, or hundreds of hours of work it takes
to develop a suitably-high-quality textual representation of this
book. Do let us know!

I go between Linux and Windows as necessary, my recreation machine is
Slackware based (mp3s, movies, personal coding, etc...) ... Mac I avoid
(but, they can run Linux)... those guys (Mac'ers) are worse then Bill when
it comes to proprietary rights and control...

And that's pretty much why I stopped using (and developing software)
for my Mac, put it into retirement, and switched to Linux. (Could
have been a *BSD derivative, but there was a big two- or three-way war
going on within the *BSD camp at the time).

.pdf is great, but huge...

By today's standards?

I thought you were more interested in the free sharing of info than
fighting
operating system wars...

I am. You raised the subject, and I simply answered the question to
explain why I'm not personally interested in doing what you want.

I've done what I set out to do - get this work back into public
availability, in a useful form. If that form does not suit your
desires, that's your issue, not mine, and you're free to correct the
situation.

--
Dave Platt AE6EO
Hosting the Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior
I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will
boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads!

John Smith wrote:

Dave, I said an excellent contribution on your part--few will do as much,
here I just repeat what I have already said...

Nothing wrong with .pdf, except it is too large... and in the case of all
graphic content--not text searchable...

So when are you going to stop talking and do it? Otherwise take what's
available and stop whining and putting down other people choices (i.e.
SHUT UP). 99% of us couldn't care less what your opinions are- as in
"sharing them" - you've managed to insult and alienate many people here
in a very short period of time. If that wasn't your intention - then I
suggest you review your words and consider them from other's
perspective. If it was your intention (as your overly broad slam against
Mac users, seems to indicate -- and no , I'm NOT a Mac user)- then
[plonk].

Not warmest regards - in fact with growing disdain...
--
randy guttery

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service:
http://tendertale.com

Well, gee, I was so enjoying the fact you were out there reading my posts,
what a disappointment now that you have went and dropped me in the old bit
bucket...

And, gee, I did come here just to sit around and idolize everyone... guess
my coarse nature prevents that--oh well, we all have to work with some kind
of handicap--guess we will all survive...

Thanks for pointing out your opinion(s)--I will surely keep it/them in the
back of my mind... perhaps at some future date it/they will be useful, no
knowledge is without merit...

Don't attribute more to me than I am capable of though, can't really take
the credit for "alienating" anyone--they all have free wills and do as they
please--really, I don't have that much control over people--it is really
their strengths and weaknesses which limit or raise them to the heights they
find themselves standing at... thanks for being so flattering though...
unless you meant I should suffer others "control freak" natures--then I must
decline...

Since I have been in the exchange of text, here is this thread-all I have
gotten is a list of won't work, shouldn't work, isn't supposed to work and
might be illegal or offensive to "radio gods"-I don't work that way-indeed,
if the purpose of this is to stop anything-it has exactly the opposite
effect. I can tell from the lack of young and dynamic minds here that you
have been successful, either by intention or not, at quelling all but
conversations revolving around tried and true ideas and in the discussion
and worship of ancient texts-which are obscure and difficult to obtain and
hinder learning by those very facts. interesting way to "run a ship" but not
very conductive to getting anything done. I think most tire of this and
move on-leaving a bunch of grouchy old farts that wish to get back to
worshiping some ancient ham/author that wrote a book/article a few decades
ago. and not be bothered with having to think. not surprising that amateur
radio reflects what is done/said here... and suffers for it.

While this may please some-it does not please me-one must ignore this all
and move on. if you or any others need "ego stroking" perhaps there is
already such a newsgroup thread, or, one could be created. I am almost
positive you will find what you want there-certainly, if not, you will be
left alone there--most likely with others of your ilk--perhaps this will
generate a need to start up a mutual admiration society, and another
newsgroup thread will spring to life.

Warmest regards,
John


Warmest regards,
John

"Randy or Sherry Guttery" wrote in message
...
John Smith wrote:

Dave, I said an excellent contribution on your part--few will do as much,
here I just repeat what I have already said...

Nothing wrong with .pdf, except it is too large... and in the case of all
graphic content--not text searchable...

So when are you going to stop talking and do it? Otherwise take what's
available and stop whining and putting down other people choices (i.e.
SHUT UP). 99% of us couldn't care less what your opinions are- as in
"sharing them" - you've managed to insult and alienate many people here in
a very short period of time. If that wasn't your intention - then I
suggest you review your words and consider them from other's perspective.
If it was your intention (as your overly broad slam against Mac users,
seems to indicate -- and no , I'm NOT a Mac user)- then
[plonk].

Not warmest regards - in fact with growing disdain...
--
randy guttery

A Tender Tale - a page dedicated to those Ships and Crews
so vital to the United States Silent Service:
http://tendertale.com

"John",

Would you believe that even in the modern "me generation" some libraries
still prefer that their patrons avoid cutting the back ribs from books?

Dave did a really nice job of providing access to this book. The
resulting PDF file is nowhere near the largest PDF file I have on my
computer. And it is not even remotely in the same size category as the
bloatware dispensed by M$.

73,
Gene
W4SZ

John Smith wrote:
..
..

I have access to a scanner which, if the back rib is cut off a book, and
pages freed, scan a whole thick book in minutes--I have hand scanned books
on my home scanner, a high speed scsi HP, and it does take a bit of time and
effort--I am sure you did the same with the book you are speaking of, and
know well that task... on a fast computer, conversion of a page by fine
reader is seconds... it really just depends on how good the scanned images
are... much less than 5 secs a page for good quality--scanned images...

Gene:

I have a mp3 CD (actually three--I just can't find anymore songs I wish to
have) for my car player, there are almost 300 songs in mp3 format 112k bit
rate... now each song stored in a "conventional manner" (wav format) would
consume 40 megs each and just fitting 20 on a CD would be impossible--it is
all what a person wants expects or is able to see the value of... at 3 megs
each, many books will fit on one 650+ meg CD and be readable on almost every
cdrom in the world... at 28+ to 33 megs few will fit and my collection of
already unmanageable numbers of CDs will continue to grow at a speed which
will bury me...

.... how come everyone here thinks I want what they want--in most every case
I have found I do not--surely others have noticed this... if I want
something which can be purchased off a shelf, is what everyone else
has--I'll simply go buy one!

.... and how come the ones puzzled by this keep asking the same repetitive
question(s), "Why do you want to do that?" If you know the reason do you
think I will be any less likely to still want the answers I seek--if you
do--your nature is not one of curiosity--it is for control--you wish to stop
one from knowing/doing as they intend... don't be offended if others ignore
this and move in the same directions anyway... I certainly am not offended
by those who wish to stop or halt others--I realize they exist, have always
existed--will continue to exist... I just don't care--and this is not those
I seek...

Warmest regards,
John

"Gene Fuller" wrote in message
...
"John",

Would you believe that even in the modern "me generation" some libraries
still prefer that their patrons avoid cutting the back ribs from books?

Dave did a really nice job of providing access to this book. The resulting
PDF file is nowhere near the largest PDF file I have on my computer. And
it is not even remotely in the same size category as the bloatware
dispensed by M$.

73,
Gene
W4SZ

John Smith wrote:
.
.

I have access to a scanner which, if the back rib is cut off a book, and
pages freed, scan a whole thick book in minutes--I have hand scanned
books on my home scanner, a high speed scsi HP, and it does take a bit of
time and effort--I am sure you did the same with the book you are
speaking of, and know well that task... on a fast computer, conversion
of a page by fine reader is seconds... it really just depends on how good
the scanned images are... much less than 5 secs a page for good
quality--scanned images...