My comments were directed to Ed not you, however, can you please
explain to me what is the magical ingredient in your OSJ that makes it
different than any other antenna known to man in that there will be no
common mode current on a coax transmission line when directly
connected to the antenna?

I can't believe you are saying ALL antennas are exactly the same !!!

Understand I am not saying your antenna doesn't work - never did say
that. I will say that using a choke at the antenna's feed point will
assure that the antenna will be operating at its best (maximum signal
towards the horizon). By not using a choke can cause an increase to
high angle radiation at the cost of reducing radiation toward the
horizon due to common mode current on the transmission line - =A0just
like any other VHF antenna feed with coax.

There you said it again.

In other words the antenna
is still radiating the same amount of power, however, much of the your
signal is being wasted in the wrong direction (unless you are talking
to airplanes). For the sake of me I can't fathom why you can not
understand that.

No the antenna is NOT perfect. Adding a choke would not make it
perfect.
If it was perfect like you want, I might not be able to make contact
with
cross band repeater on a balloon at 60,000 feet 200 miles away. And
still use a repeater 100 miles away, full quieting with 5 watts.
Check the distance between Denver CO & Cheyenne WY.

Your saying all antennas are the same is like saying all antennas with
a gamma match have a skewed pattern.=20
73 Al Lowe N0IMW

On 16 Jun 2005 15:14:13 -0700, "Al" wrote:

Your saying all antennas are the same is like saying all antennas with
a gamma match have a skewed pattern.
73 Al Lowe N0IMW

Damn it Allen, what I am saying is coax is coax and it will behave the
same regardless of what antenna it is connected to.

I feel you missing the whole point.

I am not attacking you antenna. I just disagree with your advise on
its installation.


73,
Danny, K6MHE

Damn it Allen, what I am saying is coax is coax and it will behave the
same regardless of what antenna it is connected to.

I feel you missing the whole point.

I am not attacking you antenna. I just disagree with your advise on
its installation.

Hello, Danny, K6MHE

I am not missing the point, I just have a different point I have to
deal with.
Check the last few posts, especially the one from Roy.
Can you imagine trying to explain that to some one that don't
understand why
the coax he took off an old computer network don't work with his 2
meter radio.
You have to realize, a lot of times I am dealing with hams that just
got their
license last week. One's that have trouble putting a connector on
coax.
A lot of the time they don't even have an SWR meter, or they are trying
to use one from their old CB.
The ham buying a $39. antenna that don't have to be tuned or adjusted,
is
at a different knowledge level than a ham that can set up an EME
station.
I am not an antenna guru, I know less about coax & baluns than I know.
That's why I have been reading this newsgroup for the last 10 years.
Why heck, I cant even spel.
The OSJ is a good entry level to antennas. It get's them on the air,
so
they can learn more.
I think I am doing a good service. At least I feel good reading the
e-mails I get almost every day from people using my antennas.

73 Al Lowe N0IMW

Al, I have a fair idea of antennas and baluns and how the electrons and
homotrons bounce around these magical devices..

Your antenna works well for it's intended purpose. I have two of your
J-poles, one on the house and one on the roof of the car. (Takes 6 large
rubber bands to remove the mechanical resonance at 70 MPH) They connect me
with the local repeaters, withstand hurricane winds, and are trouble free.
At $39.00 a bargain by any description.

Many here enjoy picking fly crap out of pepper, that is their enjoyment of
ham radio. No different than
contester, DX hounds etc. I enjoy the discussions of folks that will spend
days bloviating on the state of an electron named George at an SWR of
1.000000001:1.

These folks have caused me to think, as well as learn, just to keep up with
the pin dancing. That's a good thing

While some can appear officious and supercillious in the process, once you
get beyond that, pearls of wisdom do appear.

Continue making a great antenna, those that desire to achieve antenna
nirvana may spend time with the tweezers removing the afore mentioned
flyspecks.

"Iligitimus non carborundum"





"Al" wrote in message
oups.com...
Damn it Allen, what I am saying is coax is coax and it will behave the
same regardless of what antenna it is connected to.

I feel you missing the whole point.

I am not attacking you antenna. I just disagree with your advise on
its installation.

Hello, Danny, K6MHE

I am not missing the point, I just have a different point I have to
deal with.
Check the last few posts, especially the one from Roy.
Can you imagine trying to explain that to some one that don't
understand why
the coax he took off an old computer network don't work with his 2
meter radio.
You have to realize, a lot of times I am dealing with hams that just
got their
license last week. One's that have trouble putting a connector on
coax.
A lot of the time they don't even have an SWR meter, or they are trying
to use one from their old CB.
The ham buying a $39. antenna that don't have to be tuned or adjusted,
is
at a different knowledge level than a ham that can set up an EME
station.
I am not an antenna guru, I know less about coax & baluns than I know.
That's why I have been reading this newsgroup for the last 10 years.
Why heck, I cant even spel.
The OSJ is a good entry level to antennas. It get's them on the air,
so
they can learn more.
I think I am doing a good service. At least I feel good reading the
e-mails I get almost every day from people using my antennas.

73 Al Lowe N0IMW

On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 12:36:14 -0400, "Fred W4JLE"
wrote:

Many here enjoy picking fly crap out of pepper, that is their enjoyment of
ham radio.

Hi Fred,

I've seen you use this platitude more than once. As much truth as it
may offer, it necessarily presumes there is someone energetically
putting fly crap into the pepper.

I won't tarry to imagine how that is done, however.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

It is always present Richard, but only the most anal take the time to pick
it out.

The similarity in appearence requires a very exacting inspection.

This is best carried out by the same people who would worry about the last
..01 dB of gain, removing the last milliwatt of coax radiation, and other
esoteric stuff that means as much as the fly crap.

"Richard Clark" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 12:36:14 -0400, "Fred W4JLE"
wrote:

Many here enjoy picking fly crap out of pepper, that is their enjoyment
of
ham radio.

Hi Fred,

I've seen you use this platitude more than once. As much truth as it
may offer, it necessarily presumes there is someone energetically
putting fly crap into the pepper.

I won't tarry to imagine how that is done, however.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 15:36:05 -0400, "Fred W4JLE"
wrote:
It is always present Richard, but only the most anal take the time to pick
it out.

OK Fred,

I said I didn't want to dwell on how they enriched the pepper in the
first place, sooo....

Did you hear about the architect with constipation?
He worked it out with a ruler.

Did you hear about the scientist with constipation?
He worked it out with a slide rule.

Did you hear about the engineer with constipation?
He worked it out with a calculator.

Did you hear about the draftsman with constipation?
He worked it out with a compass.

Dare me again.

Fred W4JLE wrote:
It is always present Richard, but only the most anal take the time to pick
it out.

The similarity in appearence requires a very exacting inspection.

This is best carried out by the same people who would worry about the last
.01 dB of gain, removing the last milliwatt of coax radiation, and other
esoteric stuff that means as much as the fly crap.

The ironic thing is that it often requires some knowledge to be able to
tell which effects are fly crap and which are important. I sometimes get
the impression that people who offhandedly dismiss certain effects as
fly crap don't really have the knowledge to judge. Thinking that the
discussion we've been having involves 0.01 dB of gain and milliwatts of
coax radiation indicates a lack of understanding of the possible
magnitudes of the effects we're talking about.

"Fly crap" is also a very relative thing. Most people are perfectly able
to decide what's adequate for their purposes. A person who's 20 over 9
talking to his good buddies, and that's his sole goal, could care less
if his antenna is 10% efficient or radiating mostly straight up. To him,
efficiency and radiation angle are fly crap, and appropriately so.

That doesn't mean it's fly crap to everybody else.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL

"Richard Clark" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 12:36:14 -0400, "Fred W4JLE"
wrote:
Hi Fred,

I've seen you use this platitude more than once. As much truth as it
may offer, it necessarily presumes there is someone energetically
putting fly crap into the pepper.

I won't tarry to imagine how that is done, however.

I believe we can assume that the flies are taking care of that.(G)

Harold
KD5SAK

On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 06:28:05 -0500, "Harold Burton"
wrote:
I believe we can assume that the flies are taking care of that.(G)

Hi Harold,

Then it takes a breed of fly-herder to round them up, and -um- milk
them, so to speak. Otherwise this thread would have long ago died
without that fertilizing contribution.

There must be a market for a high priced, exotic specie of pepper
being sold - what a difference labeling can make. I remember one of
my sales buddies pointing out how Jack-in-the-box could have emerged
faster from their health fiasco a dozen years back:
"We cook the **** out of our burgers."

It seems I've seen a similar appeal being made here.

The industry (the people who serve only to sell you what "you want")
must think we don't have enough feces in our diet. They've asked the
government for approval to Nuke food to kill germs. The upshot is
they would keep things less clean and you might have to pick your
teeth more.

These things are just little things. Industry would make similar
arguments of scale. Think about it the next time a bite into a burger
hits bone.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC