Al, I have a fair idea of antennas and baluns and how the electrons and
homotrons bounce around these magical devices..

Your antenna works well for it's intended purpose. I have two of your
J-poles, one on the house and one on the roof of the car. (Takes 6 large
rubber bands to remove the mechanical resonance at 70 MPH) They connect me
with the local repeaters, withstand hurricane winds, and are trouble free.
At $39.00 a bargain by any description.

Many here enjoy picking fly crap out of pepper, that is their enjoyment of
ham radio. No different than
contester, DX hounds etc. I enjoy the discussions of folks that will spend
days bloviating on the state of an electron named George at an SWR of
1.000000001:1.

These folks have caused me to think, as well as learn, just to keep up with
the pin dancing. That's a good thing

While some can appear officious and supercillious in the process, once you
get beyond that, pearls of wisdom do appear.

Continue making a great antenna, those that desire to achieve antenna
nirvana may spend time with the tweezers removing the afore mentioned
flyspecks.

"Iligitimus non carborundum"





"Al" wrote in message
oups.com...
Damn it Allen, what I am saying is coax is coax and it will behave the
same regardless of what antenna it is connected to.

I feel you missing the whole point.

I am not attacking you antenna. I just disagree with your advise on
its installation.

Hello, Danny, K6MHE

I am not missing the point, I just have a different point I have to
deal with.
Check the last few posts, especially the one from Roy.
Can you imagine trying to explain that to some one that don't
understand why
the coax he took off an old computer network don't work with his 2
meter radio.
You have to realize, a lot of times I am dealing with hams that just
got their
license last week. One's that have trouble putting a connector on
coax.
A lot of the time they don't even have an SWR meter, or they are trying
to use one from their old CB.
The ham buying a $39. antenna that don't have to be tuned or adjusted,
is
at a different knowledge level than a ham that can set up an EME
station.
I am not an antenna guru, I know less about coax & baluns than I know.
That's why I have been reading this newsgroup for the last 10 years.
Why heck, I cant even spel.
The OSJ is a good entry level to antennas. It get's them on the air,
so
they can learn more.
I think I am doing a good service. At least I feel good reading the
e-mails I get almost every day from people using my antennas.

73 Al Lowe N0IMW

On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 12:36:14 -0400, "Fred W4JLE"
wrote:

Many here enjoy picking fly crap out of pepper, that is their enjoyment of
ham radio.

Hi Fred,

I've seen you use this platitude more than once. As much truth as it
may offer, it necessarily presumes there is someone energetically
putting fly crap into the pepper.

I won't tarry to imagine how that is done, however.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

It is always present Richard, but only the most anal take the time to pick
it out.

The similarity in appearence requires a very exacting inspection.

This is best carried out by the same people who would worry about the last
..01 dB of gain, removing the last milliwatt of coax radiation, and other
esoteric stuff that means as much as the fly crap.

"Richard Clark" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 12:36:14 -0400, "Fred W4JLE"
wrote:

Many here enjoy picking fly crap out of pepper, that is their enjoyment
of
ham radio.

Hi Fred,

I've seen you use this platitude more than once. As much truth as it
may offer, it necessarily presumes there is someone energetically
putting fly crap into the pepper.

I won't tarry to imagine how that is done, however.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 15:36:05 -0400, "Fred W4JLE"
wrote:
It is always present Richard, but only the most anal take the time to pick
it out.

OK Fred,

I said I didn't want to dwell on how they enriched the pepper in the
first place, sooo....

Did you hear about the architect with constipation?
He worked it out with a ruler.

Did you hear about the scientist with constipation?
He worked it out with a slide rule.

Did you hear about the engineer with constipation?
He worked it out with a calculator.

Did you hear about the draftsman with constipation?
He worked it out with a compass.

Dare me again.

Fred W4JLE wrote:
It is always present Richard, but only the most anal take the time to pick
it out.

The similarity in appearence requires a very exacting inspection.

This is best carried out by the same people who would worry about the last
.01 dB of gain, removing the last milliwatt of coax radiation, and other
esoteric stuff that means as much as the fly crap.

The ironic thing is that it often requires some knowledge to be able to
tell which effects are fly crap and which are important. I sometimes get
the impression that people who offhandedly dismiss certain effects as
fly crap don't really have the knowledge to judge. Thinking that the
discussion we've been having involves 0.01 dB of gain and milliwatts of
coax radiation indicates a lack of understanding of the possible
magnitudes of the effects we're talking about.

"Fly crap" is also a very relative thing. Most people are perfectly able
to decide what's adequate for their purposes. A person who's 20 over 9
talking to his good buddies, and that's his sole goal, could care less
if his antenna is 10% efficient or radiating mostly straight up. To him,
efficiency and radiation angle are fly crap, and appropriately so.

That doesn't mean it's fly crap to everybody else.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL

Thinking that the
discussion we've been having involves 0.01 dB of gain and milliwatts
of
coax radiation indicates a lack of understanding of the possible
magnitudes of the effects we're talking about.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL
================================

Roy, quite correct. You've been reading Lord Kelvin again.
----
Reg.

On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 21:18:26 +0000 (UTC), "Reg Edwards"
wrote:


Thinking that the
discussion we've been having involves 0.01 dB of gain and milliwatts
of
coax radiation indicates a lack of understanding of the possible
magnitudes of the effects we're talking about.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL
================================

Roy, quite correct. You've been reading Lord Kelvin again.
----
Reg.


Are you referring to his presentation to the Royal Society on
his new tide-graphing machine? It's said he was criticized for using a
pencil as the recording device instad of the rcently-invented fountain
pen. He answered, "There is sufficient power available in the ocean to
drive a pencil."

Truly a man who understood the concpt of fly crap.

Ooooh! Did I stumble upon a sore nerve Roy? No one in particular was
referenced and all names were changed to protect the innocent.

If you feel my example covered, or in anyway was directed towards any of
your past or current waltzing on the pin, it is you who fail to understand
my previous post.

I was simply pointing out that it is sometimes better to simply put up an
antenna, make contacts, and enjoy the fellowship of other amateurs.

The rec.radio.amateur.antenna version of "All My Children" (An American
daytime soap opera, by way of explaination, for our British friend Reg)
provides endless entertainment, with the occasional bit of useful
information. If some may find my observation untoward, mores the pity!


"Roy Lewallen" wrote in message
...
Fred W4JLE wrote:
It is always present Richard, but only the most anal take the time to
pick
it out.

The similarity in appearence requires a very exacting inspection.

This is best carried out by the same people who would worry about the
last
.01 dB of gain, removing the last milliwatt of coax radiation, and other
esoteric stuff that means as much as the fly crap.

The ironic thing is that it often requires some knowledge to be able to
tell which effects are fly crap and which are important. I sometimes get
the impression that people who offhandedly dismiss certain effects as
fly crap don't really have the knowledge to judge. Thinking that the
discussion we've been having involves 0.01 dB of gain and milliwatts of
coax radiation indicates a lack of understanding of the possible
magnitudes of the effects we're talking about.

"Fly crap" is also a very relative thing. Most people are perfectly able
to decide what's adequate for their purposes. A person who's 20 over 9
talking to his good buddies, and that's his sole goal, could care less
if his antenna is 10% efficient or radiating mostly straight up. To him,
efficiency and radiation angle are fly crap, and appropriately so.

That doesn't mean it's fly crap to everybody else.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL

"Fred W4JLE" wrote
The rec.radio.amateur.antenna version of "All My Children" (An
American
daytime soap opera, by way of explaination, for our British friend
Reg)
provides endless entertainment, with the occasional bit of useful
information. If some may find my observation untoward, mores the
pity!

=================================

Yes. Education always sticks better if mixed with entertainment.
Recipients don't realise they've got the message.

BBC political propaganda works that way and so maintains its
reputation.
----
Reg.

"Richard Clark" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 12:36:14 -0400, "Fred W4JLE"
wrote:
Hi Fred,

I've seen you use this platitude more than once. As much truth as it
may offer, it necessarily presumes there is someone energetically
putting fly crap into the pepper.

I won't tarry to imagine how that is done, however.

I believe we can assume that the flies are taking care of that.(G)

Harold
KD5SAK