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John Smith wrote:
Actually, standing on the earth we are already moving at over 1,000 mph. If you point a flashlight in the direction of rotation--it has the potential of +1,000 mph than when you turn around and point it west. Nope, that's not true. You will measure no difference. An observer fixed compared to your position would measure a Doppler frequency shift but no difference in velocity. Also, the universe is expanding, and that is pushing us on at a good clip. Funny you don't see this being taken into account anywhere except on space launches... But it is taken into account. Most astronomers don't believe the red shift is pure Doppler effect. -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
.... I forgot to mention, the flashlight was not aimed at an observer
here on earth--I was using to view the space shuttle and mars... I think they may have noticed something--but "they" ain't talkin'... grin Warmest regards, John "Cecil Moore" wrote in message ... John Smith wrote: Actually, standing on the earth we are already moving at over 1,000 mph. If you point a flashlight in the direction of rotation--it has the potential of +1,000 mph than when you turn around and point it west. Nope, that's not true. You will measure no difference. An observer fixed compared to your position would measure a Doppler frequency shift but no difference in velocity. Also, the universe is expanding, and that is pushing us on at a good clip. Funny you don't see this being taken into account anywhere except on space launches... But it is taken into account. Most astronomers don't believe the red shift is pure Doppler effect. -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
Dave said:
"... all the errors in your logic when you start with impossible conditions." I certainly hope you don't mean "going the speed of light" as an "error" of mine, we have already move "stuff" faster than that... This article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2049048.stm claims the "teleportation" of a laser beam... now that IS occurring at greater than the speed of light--else the beam would be gone before you could get it moved!!! .... some of us need to remain current (I include myself in that statement--I slip behind quickly)... The far reaching repercussions of all this will not be realized for decades... John "Dave" wrote in message ... you might want to try this on sci.physics.relativity, they like pointing out all the errors in your logic when you start with impossible conditions. "John Smith" wrote in message ... ... by the way, since I am traveling at the speed of light--a "reflected" current on the coax is impossible... perfect balun really... grin John "John Smith" wrote in message ... Ok, no takers so far, and since I am having trouble sleeping... I remount the xmitter in the space craft... Now the rear of the xmitter is facing the rear of the spacecraft--and the antenna just happens to be back there at the rear of the spacecraft too... we continue at the speed of light... But now, the signal is shot through the coax at 2x times the speed of light (due to its speed through the coax, combined with the fact that the coax is traveling at the speed of light and the signal travels in an opposite direction through that coax)... the signal now strikes that antenna at 2x the speed of light and is able to leave the front of the antenna at 1X the speed of light! ...or, does it? But, suddenly I notice a problem at the front of the spacecraft and, it is dark up there... no problem, I grab my trusty flashlight, point it at the front of the spacecraft and turn it on... but, big problem, the front of the spacecraft remains dark... I move the flashlight and notice a bunch of light photons hanging in the air right where I had been holding the flashlight... unable to overtake the speed of light I am traveling at!!! Indeed, it is getting pretty darn bight inside this spacecraft now, as no forward light is able to travel forward and be reflected or absorbed... My co-pilot suddenly says, "That is impossible! The flashlight is traveling at the speed of light, any light it gives off has to be traveling at 2X the speed of light and can go forward--those photons cannot possibly be there hanging in midair!" To which, I respond, "Nothing can go faster than the speed of light, fool!" grin (I just threw in the "fool" for effect... the co-pilot knew I was kidding) ... maybe I can sleep now... Warmest regards, John "John Smith" wrote in message ... I pictured this, I am in a spacecraft doing the speed of light, I key the xmitter and begin a long winded rant, the antenna is monopole. Now the signal leaving the rear of the antenna appears to be leaving it at 2X the speed of light (allowing for the VF of space-ether), however, the signal off the very front, at least the width of the antenna conductor itself, cannot leave (since I am traveling at the speed of light the signal appears to just stay on the surface of the conductor)--what will happen? Warmest regards, John -- Watching the cutting edge of yesterday replay--in virtual reality, right before my eyes--in real time! Thirty year old technology--wasn't it amazing? |
.... the next breakthrough I expect from progressive antenna
manufacturers is a "teleportation antenna", where the signal is received on the other side of the universe at the same instant it is transmitter here... sure hope someone is listening out there--and has the antennas' counterpart... John "John Smith" wrote in message ... Dave said: "... all the errors in your logic when you start with impossible conditions." I certainly hope you don't mean "going the speed of light" as an "error" of mine, we have already move "stuff" faster than that... This article: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2049048.stm claims the "teleportation" of a laser beam... now that IS occurring at greater than the speed of light--else the beam would be gone before you could get it moved!!! ... some of us need to remain current (I include myself in that statement--I slip behind quickly)... The far reaching repercussions of all this will not be realized for decades... John "Dave" wrote in message ... you might want to try this on sci.physics.relativity, they like pointing out all the errors in your logic when you start with impossible conditions. "John Smith" wrote in message ... ... by the way, since I am traveling at the speed of light--a "reflected" current on the coax is impossible... perfect balun really... grin John "John Smith" wrote in message ... Ok, no takers so far, and since I am having trouble sleeping... I remount the xmitter in the space craft... Now the rear of the xmitter is facing the rear of the spacecraft--and the antenna just happens to be back there at the rear of the spacecraft too... we continue at the speed of light... But now, the signal is shot through the coax at 2x times the speed of light (due to its speed through the coax, combined with the fact that the coax is traveling at the speed of light and the signal travels in an opposite direction through that coax)... the signal now strikes that antenna at 2x the speed of light and is able to leave the front of the antenna at 1X the speed of light! ...or, does it? But, suddenly I notice a problem at the front of the spacecraft and, it is dark up there... no problem, I grab my trusty flashlight, point it at the front of the spacecraft and turn it on... but, big problem, the front of the spacecraft remains dark... I move the flashlight and notice a bunch of light photons hanging in the air right where I had been holding the flashlight... unable to overtake the speed of light I am traveling at!!! Indeed, it is getting pretty darn bight inside this spacecraft now, as no forward light is able to travel forward and be reflected or absorbed... My co-pilot suddenly says, "That is impossible! The flashlight is traveling at the speed of light, any light it gives off has to be traveling at 2X the speed of light and can go forward--those photons cannot possibly be there hanging in midair!" To which, I respond, "Nothing can go faster than the speed of light, fool!" grin (I just threw in the "fool" for effect... the co-pilot knew I was kidding) ... maybe I can sleep now... Warmest regards, John "John Smith" wrote in message ... I pictured this, I am in a spacecraft doing the speed of light, I key the xmitter and begin a long winded rant, the antenna is monopole. Now the signal leaving the rear of the antenna appears to be leaving it at 2X the speed of light (allowing for the VF of space-ether), however, the signal off the very front, at least the width of the antenna conductor itself, cannot leave (since I am traveling at the speed of light the signal appears to just stay on the surface of the conductor)--what will happen? Warmest regards, John -- Watching the cutting edge of yesterday replay--in virtual reality, right before my eyes--in real time! Thirty year old technology--wasn't it amazing? |
Bill Turner wrote:
On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 10:48:46 -0500, Cecil Moore wrote: Most astronomers don't believe the red shift is pure Doppler effect. Correct. Much of it appears to be from the expansion of the universe. The effects can be shown to be different. _________________________________________________ I'm not an astronomer but I've wondered about that too. Perhaps the red shift from distant objects is just simply caused by the photons gradually losing energy after a few billion years. A lower energy photon means a longer wavelength, i.e. a red shift. That was actually posited in the 1920's, and tested -- the answer was "nope". The lost energy could explain the "background radiation" of the cosmos. I think God likes playing with our minds. I would if I were him. :-) -- ------------------------------------------- Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com |
"John Smith" wrote in message ... ... the next breakthrough I expect from progressive antenna manufacturers is a "teleportation antenna", where the signal is received on the other side of the universe at the same instant it is transmitter here... sure hope someone is listening out there--and has the antennas' counterpart... its already been patented. |
Bill Turner wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote: Most astronomers don't believe the red shift is pure Doppler effect. I'm not an astronomer but I've wondered about that too. Perhaps the red shift from distant objects is just simply caused by the photons gradually losing energy after a few billion years. A lower energy photon means a longer wavelength, i.e. a red shift. Consider that if the velocity of space is slowing down, the volume of space would necessarily be expanding according to the theory of relativity and photons would indeed lose energy. The saddle model of the universe seems most likely to me because of that slowing down process that will eventually lead to collapse and another big bang. I think God likes playing with our minds. I would if I were him. :-) Shame on you (and Him). -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
I think this guy:
http://www.synchronizeduniverse.com/ and his collegues are about to bring us to a new renaissance of technology... He is one of the few brave scientists with the cajones to step forward and say there is truth in the enigmas, aberrations and anomalies which have been witnessed for decades now--and ignored... Undoubtably, if you think you knew the answers--you are going to have to rethink that attitude... Much of this will cause changes in our "antenna religion" we now practice it today--perhaps even forcing us to construct a "scientific antenna theory" to hold the new redefined theory which is rising on the horizon. If the ancient Gods of "antenna religion" were upset before--their state is soon to rise to a much greater level of anxiety... soon I expect "antenna zealots" to be running wild in the streets attempting to slay the blasphemous "antenna new agers." Pays to keep an open mind... Warmest regards, John |
If the tranmission line between the transmitter and the antenna has a
velocity factor greater than unity, then you'll be able to hear yourself before you say it. That could be useful for politicians. |
But all hollow waveguides have a velocity factor greater than unity. Why
haven't the politicians taken advantage of it? Roy Lewallen, W7EL Hal Rosser wrote: If the tranmission line between the transmitter and the antenna has a velocity factor greater than unity, then you'll be able to hear yourself before you say it. That could be useful for politicians. |
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