Antenna @ speed of light...
 

I pictured this, I am in a spacecraft doing the speed of light, I key
the xmitter and begin a long winded rant, the antenna is monopole.

Now the signal leaving the rear of the antenna appears to be leaving it
at 2X the speed of light (allowing for the VF of space-ether), however,
the signal off the very front, at least the width of the antenna
conductor itself, cannot leave (since I am traveling at the speed of
light the signal appears to just stay on the surface of the
conductor)--what will happen?

Warmest regards,
John
--
Watching the cutting edge of yesterday replay--in virtual reality, right
before my eyes--in real time!
Thirty year old technology--wasn't it amazing?

Ok, no takers so far, and since I am having trouble sleeping...

I remount the xmitter in the space craft...
Now the rear of the xmitter is facing the rear of the spacecraft--and
the antenna just happens to be back there at the rear of the spacecraft
too... we continue at the speed of light...

But now, the signal is shot through the coax at 2x times the speed of
light (due to its speed through the coax, combined with the fact that
the coax is traveling at the speed of light and the signal travels in an
opposite direction through that coax)... the signal now strikes that
antenna at 2x the speed of light and is able to leave the front of the
antenna at 1X the speed of light! ...or, does it?

But, suddenly I notice a problem at the front of the spacecraft and, it
is dark up there... no problem, I grab my trusty flashlight, point it at
the front of the spacecraft and turn it on... but, big problem, the
front of the spacecraft remains dark... I move the flashlight and notice
a bunch of light photons hanging in the air right where I had been
holding the flashlight... unable to overtake the speed of light I am
traveling at!!! Indeed, it is getting pretty darn bight inside this
spacecraft now, as no forward light is able to travel forward and be
reflected or absorbed...

My co-pilot suddenly says, "That is impossible! The flashlight is
traveling at the speed of light, any light it gives off has to be
traveling at 2X the speed of light and can go forward--those photons
cannot possibly be there hanging in midair!"

To which, I respond, "Nothing can go faster than the speed of light,
fool!" grin

(I just threw in the "fool" for effect... the co-pilot knew I was
kidding)

.... maybe I can sleep now...

Warmest regards,
John

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
I pictured this, I am in a spacecraft doing the speed of light, I key
the xmitter and begin a long winded rant, the antenna is monopole.

Now the signal leaving the rear of the antenna appears to be leaving
it at 2X the speed of light (allowing for the VF of space-ether),
however, the signal off the very front, at least the width of the
antenna conductor itself, cannot leave (since I am traveling at the
speed of light the signal appears to just stay on the surface of the
conductor)--what will happen?

Warmest regards,
John
--
Watching the cutting edge of yesterday replay--in virtual reality,
right before my eyes--in real time!
Thirty year old technology--wasn't it amazing?

.... by the way, since I am traveling at the speed of light--a
"reflected" current on the coax is impossible... perfect balun really...
grin

John

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Ok, no takers so far, and since I am having trouble sleeping...

I remount the xmitter in the space craft...
Now the rear of the xmitter is facing the rear of the spacecraft--and
the antenna just happens to be back there at the rear of the
spacecraft too... we continue at the speed of light...

But now, the signal is shot through the coax at 2x times the speed of
light (due to its speed through the coax, combined with the fact that
the coax is traveling at the speed of light and the signal travels in
an opposite direction through that coax)... the signal now strikes
that antenna at 2x the speed of light and is able to leave the front
of the antenna at 1X the speed of light! ...or, does it?

But, suddenly I notice a problem at the front of the spacecraft and,
it is dark up there... no problem, I grab my trusty flashlight, point
it at the front of the spacecraft and turn it on... but, big problem,
the front of the spacecraft remains dark... I move the flashlight and
notice a bunch of light photons hanging in the air right where I had
been holding the flashlight... unable to overtake the speed of light I
am traveling at!!! Indeed, it is getting pretty darn bight inside
this spacecraft now, as no forward light is able to travel forward and
be reflected or absorbed...

My co-pilot suddenly says, "That is impossible! The flashlight is
traveling at the speed of light, any light it gives off has to be
traveling at 2X the speed of light and can go forward--those photons
cannot possibly be there hanging in midair!"

To which, I respond, "Nothing can go faster than the speed of light,
fool!" grin

(I just threw in the "fool" for effect... the co-pilot knew I was
kidding)

... maybe I can sleep now...

Warmest regards,
John

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
I pictured this, I am in a spacecraft doing the speed of light, I key
the xmitter and begin a long winded rant, the antenna is monopole.

Now the signal leaving the rear of the antenna appears to be leaving
it at 2X the speed of light (allowing for the VF of space-ether),
however, the signal off the very front, at least the width of the
antenna conductor itself, cannot leave (since I am traveling at the
speed of light the signal appears to just stay on the surface of the
conductor)--what will happen?

Warmest regards,
John
--
Watching the cutting edge of yesterday replay--in virtual reality,
right before my eyes--in real time!
Thirty year old technology--wasn't it amazing?

you might want to try this on sci.physics.relativity, they like pointing out
all the errors in your logic when you start with impossible conditions.

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
... by the way, since I am traveling at the speed of light--a "reflected"
current on the coax is impossible... perfect balun really... grin

John

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Ok, no takers so far, and since I am having trouble sleeping...

I remount the xmitter in the space craft...
Now the rear of the xmitter is facing the rear of the spacecraft--and the
antenna just happens to be back there at the rear of the spacecraft
too... we continue at the speed of light...

But now, the signal is shot through the coax at 2x times the speed of
light (due to its speed through the coax, combined with the fact that the
coax is traveling at the speed of light and the signal travels in an
opposite direction through that coax)... the signal now strikes that
antenna at 2x the speed of light and is able to leave the front of the
antenna at 1X the speed of light! ...or, does it?

But, suddenly I notice a problem at the front of the spacecraft and, it
is dark up there... no problem, I grab my trusty flashlight, point it at
the front of the spacecraft and turn it on... but, big problem, the front
of the spacecraft remains dark... I move the flashlight and notice a
bunch of light photons hanging in the air right where I had been holding
the flashlight... unable to overtake the speed of light I am traveling
at!!! Indeed, it is getting pretty darn bight inside this spacecraft
now, as no forward light is able to travel forward and be reflected or
absorbed...

My co-pilot suddenly says, "That is impossible! The flashlight is
traveling at the speed of light, any light it gives off has to be
traveling at 2X the speed of light and can go forward--those photons
cannot possibly be there hanging in midair!"

To which, I respond, "Nothing can go faster than the speed of light,
fool!" grin

(I just threw in the "fool" for effect... the co-pilot knew I was
kidding)

... maybe I can sleep now...

Warmest regards,
John

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
I pictured this, I am in a spacecraft doing the speed of light, I key the
xmitter and begin a long winded rant, the antenna is monopole.

Now the signal leaving the rear of the antenna appears to be leaving it
at 2X the speed of light (allowing for the VF of space-ether), however,
the signal off the very front, at least the width of the antenna
conductor itself, cannot leave (since I am traveling at the speed of
light the signal appears to just stay on the surface of the
conductor)--what will happen?

Warmest regards,
John
--
Watching the cutting edge of yesterday replay--in virtual reality, right
before my eyes--in real time!
Thirty year old technology--wasn't it amazing?

John Smith wrote:

I pictured this, I am in a spacecraft doing the speed of light, I key
the xmitter and begin a long winded rant, the antenna is monopole.

Now the signal leaving the rear of the antenna appears to be leaving it
at 2X the speed of light ...

The Doppler effect doesn't change the speed of light, only
the frequency. All EM waves appear to all observers to
travel at the speed of light.

(allowing for the VF of space-ether), however,
the signal off the very front, at least the width of the antenna
conductor itself, cannot leave ...

It doesn't appear that way to you. For you, time has stopped
but you don't know it. You also possess infinite mass and occupy
zero volume but you don't know it.

(since I am traveling at the speed of
light the signal appears to just stay on the surface of the
conductor)--what will happen?

It would make more sense to assume that you are traveling at
1/2 the speed of light and see what happens. Future humans
may be able to do just that. Assume you have a twin brother
back on earth QSOing with you. He's transmitting in a ham
band. What frequency do you hear him on?
--
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John Smith wrote:
... by the way, since I am traveling at the speed of light--a
"reflected" current on the coax is impossible... perfect balun really...
grin

Since you are traveling at the speed of light, everything,
including your brain, stops working.
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp


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Since you are traveling at the speed of light, everything,
including your brain, stops working.
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

And here I was, wondering what the problem could possibly be.

W4ZCB

Same thing that will happen when you point your flashlight forward at V=C,
the light falls on the floor :)

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
I pictured this, I am in a spacecraft doing the speed of light, I key
the xmitter and begin a long winded rant, the antenna is monopole.

Now the signal leaving the rear of the antenna appears to be leaving it
at 2X the speed of light (allowing for the VF of space-ether), however,
the signal off the very front, at least the width of the antenna
conductor itself, cannot leave (since I am traveling at the speed of
light the signal appears to just stay on the surface of the
conductor)--what will happen?

Warmest regards,
John
--
Watching the cutting edge of yesterday replay--in virtual reality, right
before my eyes--in real time!
Thirty year old technology--wasn't it amazing?

In John's case, 30 MPH seems to do the trick...

"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
...
Since you are traveling at the speed of light, everything,
including your brain, stops working.
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp


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Actually, standing on the earth we are already moving at over 1,000 mph.
If you point a flashlight in the direction of rotation--it has the
potential of +1,000 mph than when you turn around and point it west.

Also, the universe is expanding, and that is pushing us on at a good
clip. Funny you don't see this being taken into account anywhere except
on space launches... but I have noticed what looks like a speedier
launch in one direction of my monopole, as compared to the other...

.... most notably, when my ant is at an angle 90 degrees to the combined
directions of both the rotation of the earth and the expanding universe
direction... grin

Warmest regards,
John

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
I pictured this, I am in a spacecraft doing the speed of light, I key
the xmitter and begin a long winded rant, the antenna is monopole.

Now the signal leaving the rear of the antenna appears to be leaving
it at 2X the speed of light (allowing for the VF of space-ether),
however, the signal off the very front, at least the width of the
antenna conductor itself, cannot leave (since I am traveling at the
speed of light the signal appears to just stay on the surface of the
conductor)--what will happen?

Warmest regards,
John
--
Watching the cutting edge of yesterday replay--in virtual reality,
right before my eyes--in real time!
Thirty year old technology--wasn't it amazing?

John Smith wrote:

Actually, standing on the earth we are already moving at over 1,000 mph.
If you point a flashlight in the direction of rotation--it has the
potential of +1,000 mph than when you turn around and point it west.

Nope, that's not true. You will measure no difference. An observer
fixed compared to your position would measure a Doppler frequency
shift but no difference in velocity.

Also, the universe is expanding, and that is pushing us on at a good
clip. Funny you don't see this being taken into account anywhere except
on space launches...

But it is taken into account. Most astronomers don't believe the
red shift is pure Doppler effect.
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

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.... I forgot to mention, the flashlight was not aimed at an observer
here on earth--I was using to view the space shuttle and mars... I think
they may have noticed something--but "they" ain't talkin'... grin

Warmest regards,
John

"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
...
John Smith wrote:

Actually, standing on the earth we are already moving at over 1,000
mph. If you point a flashlight in the direction of rotation--it has
the potential of +1,000 mph than when you turn around and point it
west.

Nope, that's not true. You will measure no difference. An observer
fixed compared to your position would measure a Doppler frequency
shift but no difference in velocity.

Also, the universe is expanding, and that is pushing us on at a good
clip. Funny you don't see this being taken into account anywhere
except on space launches...

But it is taken into account. Most astronomers don't believe the
red shift is pure Doppler effect.
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

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Dave said:
"... all the errors in your logic when you start with impossible
conditions."

I certainly hope you don't mean "going the speed of light" as an "error"
of mine, we have already move "stuff" faster than that...

This article:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2049048.stm

claims the "teleportation" of a laser beam... now that IS occurring at
greater than the speed of light--else the beam would be gone before you
could get it moved!!!

.... some of us need to remain current (I include myself in that
statement--I slip behind quickly)...

The far reaching repercussions of all this will not be realized for
decades...

John
"Dave" wrote in message
...
you might want to try this on sci.physics.relativity, they like
pointing out all the errors in your logic when you start with
impossible conditions.

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
... by the way, since I am traveling at the speed of light--a
"reflected" current on the coax is impossible... perfect balun
really... grin

John

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Ok, no takers so far, and since I am having trouble sleeping...

I remount the xmitter in the space craft...
Now the rear of the xmitter is facing the rear of the
spacecraft--and the antenna just happens to be back there at the
rear of the spacecraft too... we continue at the speed of light...

But now, the signal is shot through the coax at 2x times the speed
of light (due to its speed through the coax, combined with the fact
that the coax is traveling at the speed of light and the signal
travels in an opposite direction through that coax)... the signal
now strikes that antenna at 2x the speed of light and is able to
leave the front of the antenna at 1X the speed of light! ...or,
does it?

But, suddenly I notice a problem at the front of the spacecraft and,
it is dark up there... no problem, I grab my trusty flashlight,
point it at the front of the spacecraft and turn it on... but, big
problem, the front of the spacecraft remains dark... I move the
flashlight and notice a bunch of light photons hanging in the air
right where I had been holding the flashlight... unable to overtake
the speed of light I am traveling at!!! Indeed, it is getting
pretty darn bight inside this spacecraft now, as no forward light is
able to travel forward and be reflected or absorbed...

My co-pilot suddenly says, "That is impossible! The flashlight is
traveling at the speed of light, any light it gives off has to be
traveling at 2X the speed of light and can go forward--those photons
cannot possibly be there hanging in midair!"

To which, I respond, "Nothing can go faster than the speed of light,
fool!" grin

(I just threw in the "fool" for effect... the co-pilot knew I was
kidding)

... maybe I can sleep now...

Warmest regards,
John

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
I pictured this, I am in a spacecraft doing the speed of light, I
key the xmitter and begin a long winded rant, the antenna is
monopole.

Now the signal leaving the rear of the antenna appears to be
leaving it at 2X the speed of light (allowing for the VF of
space-ether), however, the signal off the very front, at least the
width of the antenna conductor itself, cannot leave (since I am
traveling at the speed of light the signal appears to just stay on
the surface of the conductor)--what will happen?

Warmest regards,
John
--
Watching the cutting edge of yesterday replay--in virtual reality,
right before my eyes--in real time!
Thirty year old technology--wasn't it amazing?

.... the next breakthrough I expect from progressive antenna
manufacturers is a "teleportation antenna", where the signal is received
on the other side of the universe at the same instant it is transmitter
here... sure hope someone is listening out there--and has the antennas'
counterpart...

John

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Dave said:
"... all the errors in your logic when you start with impossible
conditions."

I certainly hope you don't mean "going the speed of light" as an
"error" of mine, we have already move "stuff" faster than that...

This article:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/2049048.stm

claims the "teleportation" of a laser beam... now that IS occurring at
greater than the speed of light--else the beam would be gone before
you could get it moved!!!

... some of us need to remain current (I include myself in that
statement--I slip behind quickly)...

The far reaching repercussions of all this will not be realized for
decades...

John
"Dave" wrote in message
...
you might want to try this on sci.physics.relativity, they like
pointing out all the errors in your logic when you start with
impossible conditions.

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
... by the way, since I am traveling at the speed of light--a
"reflected" current on the coax is impossible... perfect balun
really... grin

John

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Ok, no takers so far, and since I am having trouble sleeping...

I remount the xmitter in the space craft...
Now the rear of the xmitter is facing the rear of the
spacecraft--and the antenna just happens to be back there at the
rear of the spacecraft too... we continue at the speed of light...

But now, the signal is shot through the coax at 2x times the speed
of light (due to its speed through the coax, combined with the fact
that the coax is traveling at the speed of light and the signal
travels in an opposite direction through that coax)... the signal
now strikes that antenna at 2x the speed of light and is able to
leave the front of the antenna at 1X the speed of light! ...or,
does it?

But, suddenly I notice a problem at the front of the spacecraft
and, it is dark up there... no problem, I grab my trusty
flashlight, point it at the front of the spacecraft and turn it
on... but, big problem, the front of the spacecraft remains dark...
I move the flashlight and notice a bunch of light photons hanging
in the air right where I had been holding the flashlight... unable
to overtake the speed of light I am traveling at!!! Indeed, it is
getting pretty darn bight inside this spacecraft now, as no forward
light is able to travel forward and be reflected or absorbed...

My co-pilot suddenly says, "That is impossible! The flashlight is
traveling at the speed of light, any light it gives off has to be
traveling at 2X the speed of light and can go forward--those
photons cannot possibly be there hanging in midair!"

To which, I respond, "Nothing can go faster than the speed of
light, fool!" grin

(I just threw in the "fool" for effect... the co-pilot knew I was
kidding)

... maybe I can sleep now...

Warmest regards,
John

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
I pictured this, I am in a spacecraft doing the speed of light, I
key the xmitter and begin a long winded rant, the antenna is
monopole.

Now the signal leaving the rear of the antenna appears to be
leaving it at 2X the speed of light (allowing for the VF of
space-ether), however, the signal off the very front, at least the
width of the antenna conductor itself, cannot leave (since I am
traveling at the speed of light the signal appears to just stay on
the surface of the conductor)--what will happen?

Warmest regards,
John
--
Watching the cutting edge of yesterday replay--in virtual reality,
right before my eyes--in real time!
Thirty year old technology--wasn't it amazing?

Bill Turner wrote:

On Mon, 13 Jun 2005 10:48:46 -0500, Cecil Moore
wrote:


Most astronomers don't believe the
red shift is pure Doppler effect.

Correct. Much of it appears to be from the expansion of the universe.
The effects can be shown to be different.

_________________________________________________

I'm not an astronomer but I've wondered about that too. Perhaps the red
shift from distant objects is just simply caused by the photons
gradually losing energy after a few billion years. A lower energy photon
means a longer wavelength, i.e. a red shift.

That was actually posited in the 1920's, and tested -- the answer was
"nope".

The lost energy could explain the "background radiation" of the cosmos.

I think God likes playing with our minds. I would if I were him. :-)



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Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
... the next breakthrough I expect from progressive antenna manufacturers
is a "teleportation antenna", where the signal is received on the other
side of the universe at the same instant it is transmitter here... sure
hope someone is listening out there--and has the antennas' counterpart...


its already been patented.

Bill Turner wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote:
Most astronomers don't believe the red shift is pure Doppler effect.

I'm not an astronomer but I've wondered about that too. Perhaps the red
shift from distant objects is just simply caused by the photons
gradually losing energy after a few billion years. A lower energy photon
means a longer wavelength, i.e. a red shift.

Consider that if the velocity of space is slowing down, the
volume of space would necessarily be expanding according to
the theory of relativity and photons would indeed lose energy.
The saddle model of the universe seems most likely to me because
of that slowing down process that will eventually lead to collapse
and another big bang.

I think God likes playing with our minds. I would if I were him. :-)

Shame on you (and Him).
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I think this guy:
http://www.synchronizeduniverse.com/
and his collegues are about to bring us to a new renaissance of
technology...

He is one of the few brave scientists with the cajones to step forward
and say there is truth in the enigmas, aberrations and anomalies which
have been witnessed for decades now--and ignored...

Undoubtably, if you think you knew the answers--you are going to have to
rethink that attitude...

Much of this will cause changes in our "antenna religion" we now
practice it today--perhaps even forcing us to construct a "scientific
antenna theory" to hold the new redefined theory which is rising on the
horizon.

If the ancient Gods of "antenna religion" were upset before--their state
is soon to rise to a much greater level of anxiety... soon I expect
"antenna zealots" to be running wild in the streets attempting to slay
the blasphemous "antenna new agers."

Pays to keep an open mind...

Warmest regards,
John

If the tranmission line between the transmitter and the antenna has a
velocity factor greater than unity, then you'll be able to hear yourself
before you say it. That could be useful for politicians.

But all hollow waveguides have a velocity factor greater than unity. Why
haven't the politicians taken advantage of it?

Roy Lewallen, W7EL

Hal Rosser wrote:
If the tranmission line between the transmitter and the antenna has a
velocity factor greater than unity, then you'll be able to hear yourself
before you say it. That could be useful for politicians.

Now if my spacecraft pulls up alongside, and I stomp it would you see my
dust?
(by the way, you have to use sub-space communication at that speed, since
there are laws against using electromagnetic devices near the speed of
light.)
And - do gravity waves travel faster than light ? Is that how to keep in
touch with the folks back home while on those space jaunts ?
;-)

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
I pictured this, I am in a spacecraft doing the speed of light, I key
the xmitter and begin a long winded rant, the antenna is monopole.

Now the signal leaving the rear of the antenna appears to be leaving it
at 2X the speed of light (allowing for the VF of space-ether), however,
the signal off the very front, at least the width of the antenna
conductor itself, cannot leave (since I am traveling at the speed of
light the signal appears to just stay on the surface of the
conductor)--what will happen?

Warmest regards,
John
--
Watching the cutting edge of yesterday replay--in virtual reality, right
before my eyes--in real time!
Thirty year old technology--wasn't it amazing?

LOL Hal!!!

Yanno, there are rules and regulations covering spacecraft developing
the Horse Power to pass the speed of light (and I am jealous of your
hotrod!!!)--I may just have to turn you in to the "universal speed
cops!" grin

Warmest regards,
John

"Hal Rosser" wrote in message
. ..
Now if my spacecraft pulls up alongside, and I stomp it would you
see my
dust?
(by the way, you have to use sub-space communication at that speed,
since
there are laws against using electromagnetic devices near the speed of
light.)
And - do gravity waves travel faster than light ? Is that how to keep
in
touch with the folks back home while on those space jaunts ?
;-)

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
I pictured this, I am in a spacecraft doing the speed of light, I key
the xmitter and begin a long winded rant, the antenna is monopole.

Now the signal leaving the rear of the antenna appears to be leaving
it
at 2X the speed of light (allowing for the VF of space-ether),
however,
the signal off the very front, at least the width of the antenna
conductor itself, cannot leave (since I am traveling at the speed of
light the signal appears to just stay on the surface of the
conductor)--what will happen?

Warmest regards,
John
--
Watching the cutting edge of yesterday replay--in virtual reality,
right
before my eyes--in real time!
Thirty year old technology--wasn't it amazing?

Good point - maybe they're not privy to that info

"Roy Lewallen" wrote in message
...
But all hollow waveguides have a velocity factor greater than unity. Why
haven't the politicians taken advantage of it?

Roy Lewallen, W7EL

Hal Rosser wrote:
If the tranmission line between the transmitter and the antenna has a
velocity factor greater than unity, then you'll be able to hear yourself
before you say it. That could be useful for politicians.

But on previous threads, I thought you said that speed was not a valid unit
for measure because speed depends on time, which depends on the spin of the
earth on its axis.

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
I pictured this, I am in a spacecraft doing the speed of light, I key
the xmitter and begin a long winded rant, the antenna is monopole.

Now the signal leaving the rear of the antenna appears to be leaving it
at 2X the speed of light (allowing for the VF of space-ether), however,
the signal off the very front, at least the width of the antenna
conductor itself, cannot leave (since I am traveling at the speed of
light the signal appears to just stay on the surface of the
conductor)--what will happen?

Warmest regards,
John
--
Watching the cutting edge of yesterday replay--in virtual reality, right
before my eyes--in real time!
Thirty year old technology--wasn't it amazing?

Hal:

You got me wrong, while the false perception of time IS encouraged by
"speed" (movement actually)... the reverse is NOT proof of time--I do
accept the fact that movement is real... movement is NOT dependent on
time... the "religious belief" in time is dependent on the
mis-interpretation of movement...

Warmest regards,
John

"Hal Rosser" wrote in message
. ..
But on previous threads, I thought you said that speed was not a valid
unit
for measure because speed depends on time, which depends on the spin
of the
earth on its axis.

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
I pictured this, I am in a spacecraft doing the speed of light, I key
the xmitter and begin a long winded rant, the antenna is monopole.

Now the signal leaving the rear of the antenna appears to be leaving
it
at 2X the speed of light (allowing for the VF of space-ether),
however,
the signal off the very front, at least the width of the antenna
conductor itself, cannot leave (since I am traveling at the speed of
light the signal appears to just stay on the surface of the
conductor)--what will happen?

Warmest regards,
John
--
Watching the cutting edge of yesterday replay--in virtual reality,
right
before my eyes--in real time!
Thirty year old technology--wasn't it amazing?

Hal Rosser wrote:
Now if my spacecraft pulls up alongside, and I stomp it would you see my
dust?

Nope, your foot cannot move when you are traveling at the
speed of light. Neither can dust. Time stands still so
absolutely nothing happens.
--
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OK - I stand corrected again.
So movement IS real, but time is not real. Speed depends on movement over a
distance in a measured time - so the 'speed of light' does not exist.
But it MUST exist - Einstein squared it.



"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Hal:

You got me wrong, while the false perception of time IS encouraged by
"speed" (movement actually)... the reverse is NOT proof of time--I do
accept the fact that movement is real... movement is NOT dependent on
time... the "religious belief" in time is dependent on the
mis-interpretation of movement...

Warmest regards,
John

"Hal Rosser" wrote in message
. ..
But on previous threads, I thought you said that speed was not a valid
unit
for measure because speed depends on time, which depends on the spin
of the
earth on its axis.

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
I pictured this, I am in a spacecraft doing the speed of light, I key
the xmitter and begin a long winded rant, the antenna is monopole.

Now the signal leaving the rear of the antenna appears to be leaving
it
at 2X the speed of light (allowing for the VF of space-ether),
however,
the signal off the very front, at least the width of the antenna
conductor itself, cannot leave (since I am traveling at the speed of
light the signal appears to just stay on the surface of the
conductor)--what will happen?

Warmest regards,
John
--
Watching the cutting edge of yesterday replay--in virtual reality,
right
before my eyes--in real time!
Thirty year old technology--wasn't it amazing?

The movement of light, mainly since it is so stable (however, light may
not move at the same speed in all corners of the universe--and under all
conditions) can be used to provide the human mind with the belief in the
myth of time...

Time to us is the rotation of the earth, measured in 1/24 units of a
full revolution, and fractions thereof.

Also, wwv and wwvh use atomic clocks, they count how many atomic
particles are lost in decay of radioactive elements to provide the myth
of time...

.... hourglasses use the rate of sand falling through a narrow opening...

.... clocks count the spinning of a gear or the frequency of a quartz
vibration...

.... time is movement/change... you cannot hold time in a bottle--you
CANNOT measure time--you only measure movement...

.... formulas which use time in them are just incomplete at the present
time, eventually a more accurate formula will be developed in many of
these cases...

.... those formulas which incorporate the movement of light might be
correct... that movement is real at least... (well, I think it is real
grin)

Warmest regards,
John

"Hal Rosser" wrote in message
...
OK - I stand corrected again.
So movement IS real, but time is not real. Speed depends on movement
over a
distance in a measured time - so the 'speed of light' does not exist.
But it MUST exist - Einstein squared it.



"John Smith" wrote in message
...
Hal:

You got me wrong, while the false perception of time IS encouraged by
"speed" (movement actually)... the reverse is NOT proof of time--I do
accept the fact that movement is real... movement is NOT dependent
on
time... the "religious belief" in time is dependent on the
mis-interpretation of movement...

Warmest regards,
John

"Hal Rosser" wrote in message
. ..
But on previous threads, I thought you said that speed was not a
valid
unit
for measure because speed depends on time, which depends on the
spin
of the
earth on its axis.

"John Smith" wrote in message
...
I pictured this, I am in a spacecraft doing the speed of light, I
key
the xmitter and begin a long winded rant, the antenna is monopole.

Now the signal leaving the rear of the antenna appears to be
leaving
it
at 2X the speed of light (allowing for the VF of space-ether),
however,
the signal off the very front, at least the width of the antenna
conductor itself, cannot leave (since I am traveling at the speed
of
light the signal appears to just stay on the surface of the
conductor)--what will happen?

Warmest regards,
John
--
Watching the cutting edge of yesterday replay--in virtual reality,
right
before my eyes--in real time!
Thirty year old technology--wasn't it amazing?

Hal Rosser wrote:
So movement IS real, but time is not real.

In Barbour's book, "The End of Time", both time and
movement are illusions. Change is real.
--
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What happens....

Relative to which frame of reference, and does it matter to
Schrodinger's cat?

:)

W4KAZ

KAZeringue:

I take it you mean that guy standing on the planet which I have been
watching out the porthole window for over an hour--just checked the
gauge again, says I am doing the speed of light--but I have began to
wonder...

Warmest regards,
John

"KAZeringue" wrote in message
m...
What happens....

Relative to which frame of reference, and does it matter to
Schrodinger's cat?

:)

W4KAZ

On Sun, 12 Jun 2005 23:08:00 -0700, "John Smith"
wrote:

Now the signal leaving the rear of the antenna appears to be leaving it
at 2X the speed of light (allowing for the VF of space-ether), however,
the signal off the very front, at least the width of the antenna
conductor itself, cannot leave (since I am traveling at the speed of
light the signal appears to just stay on the surface of the
conductor)--what will happen?

you will wake up?


--
73 for now
Buck
N4PGW

You're just jealous because your spacecraft can't keep up.
John - Lets slow down and wait for Cecil, he can't seem to operate his
accelerator at this speed.
Cecil, don't let those Laws of Physics tie you to the old way of thinking,
the string theory (or should I say string philosophy) will come to the
rescue.



"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
...
Hal Rosser wrote:
Now if my spacecraft pulls up alongside, and I stomp it would you
see my
dust?

Nope, your foot cannot move when you are traveling at the
speed of light. Neither can dust. Time stands still so
absolutely nothing happens.
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp

Doggone it - and I thought Time was a pretty good invention.
It - kinda keeps all things from happening simultaneously.
Like - last night was a transition between yesterday and today.
And because of 'time' kids learn to walk before they go to college and learn
to drink.


"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
...
Hal Rosser wrote:
So movement IS real, but time is not real.

In Barbour's book, "The End of Time", both time and
movement are illusions. Change is real.
--
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Hal said, "And because of 'time' kids learn to walk before they go to
college and learn
to drink."

When I found out about whiskey--the first thing I did was ask my mother
why she did not put it in my baby bottle!!! grin

Warmest regards,
John

"Hal Rosser" wrote in message
. ..
Doggone it - and I thought Time was a pretty good invention.
It - kinda keeps all things from happening simultaneously.
Like - last night was a transition between yesterday and today.
And because of 'time' kids learn to walk before they go to college and
learn
to drink.


"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
...
Hal Rosser wrote:
So movement IS real, but time is not real.

In Barbour's book, "The End of Time", both time and
movement are illusions. Change is real.
--
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U.S. patent 6,025,810: "Hyper-Light-Speed Antenna", issued Feb. 15, 2000:

"The present invention has discovered the apparent existence of a new
dimension capable of acting as a medium for [RF] signals. Initial
benefits of penetrating this new dimension include sending RF signals
faster than the speed of light, extending the effective distance of RF
transmitters at the same power radiated, penetrating known RF shielding
devices, and accelerating plant growth exposed to the by-product energy
of the RF transmissions."

Snif. Kinda makes you all weepy and proud, doesn't it? Is this a great
country, or what. Hope y'all got your flags out and wavin'.

It's all there, at http://uspto.gov.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL

Roy Lewallen wrote:
U.S. patent 6,025,810: "Hyper-Light-Speed Antenna", issued Feb. 15, 2000:

"The present invention has discovered the apparent existence of a new
dimension capable of acting as a medium for [RF] signals. Initial
benefits of penetrating this new dimension include sending RF signals
faster than the speed of light, extending the effective distance of RF
transmitters at the same power radiated, penetrating known RF shielding
devices, and accelerating plant growth exposed to the by-product energy
of the RF transmissions."

Snif. Kinda makes you all weepy and proud, doesn't it? Is this a great
country, or what. Hope y'all got your flags out and wavin'.

It's all there, at http://uspto.gov.

Not only that - I saw it demonstrated on The Discovery Channel.
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Does the **light** work on the dashboard so you can see the speedometer ok ?


"John Smith" wrote in message
...
KAZeringue:

I take it you mean that guy standing on the planet which I have been
watching out the porthole window for over an hour--just checked the
gauge again, says I am doing the speed of light--but I have began to
wonder...

Warmest regards,
John

"KAZeringue" wrote in message
m...
What happens....

Relative to which frame of reference, and does it matter to
Schrodinger's cat?

:)

W4KAZ

Roy mentioned this patent a few years ago. I was fascinated and finally
found it on the Patent Office web site. (Not a trivial task for someone who
has never dealt with the patent office, but it may be easier now.)
It should be required reading for anyone who thinks Big Brother Knows Best.
I assume it was submitted as a joke, or perhaps as a test. It certainly
demonstrates that the patent process has become a joke, but anyone exposed
to software patents knows this already.

Bill
W2WO



"Roy Lewallen" wrote in message
...
U.S. patent 6,025,810: "Hyper-Light-Speed Antenna", issued Feb. 15, 2000:

"The present invention has discovered the apparent existence of a new
dimension capable of acting as a medium for [RF] signals. Initial
benefits of penetrating this new dimension include sending RF signals
faster than the speed of light, extending the effective distance of RF
transmitters at the same power radiated, penetrating known RF shielding
devices, and accelerating plant growth exposed to the by-product energy
of the RF transmissions."

Snif. Kinda makes you all weepy and proud, doesn't it? Is this a great
country, or what. Hope y'all got your flags out and wavin'.

It's all there, at http://uspto.gov.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL

Bill Ogden wrote:

Roy mentioned this patent a few years ago. I was fascinated and finally
found it on the Patent Office web site. (Not a trivial task for someone who
has never dealt with the patent office, but it may be easier now.)
It should be required reading for anyone who thinks Big Brother Knows Best.
I assume it was submitted as a joke, or perhaps as a test.

The Discovery Channel carried a program in which a faster-
than-light tunneling effect was alleged used to transfer music.
I heard the music with my own ears. :-)
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